Classic Christianity: A Conversation On Theology - Rich Wilkerson Jr, Chad Veach, Judah Smith & more 

This panel's responses were heartbreaking. I felt like Rich Wilkerson Jr. had great intent with this panel and led with the hopes the answers would be better than they were. Some failures: 1) "What are we saved from?" - Judah said 'ourselves.' WHAT?! God saved us as individuals, so if God saves us as individuals, are we saved from the self God saves? No! We're saved from the wrath of God that is on the sin we've committed, which fills our souls without Jesus's payment applied to our lives. 2) "What is sin?" Simply put, it's disobedience. Bianca said sin was something that separates us from God, but why not define it as disobedience and breaking God's commands? 3) "How are we saved?" Veach said salvation is a gift through grace, and while true, the question was 'how,' and he never shared something as simple as Romans 10:9. He could have even gone deeper and explained Jesus's atoning sacrifice and imputation of Jesus's righteousness to us. 4-rest of the video) Give me theology, not stories and cliches. This did nothing to explain the work of sanctification or the Trinity. As a pastor, this breaks my heart; I would never have passed ordination with these answers. So many of these answers came back to a foundation of 'self-help' and not giving ourselves fully to God. Skilled speakers but lacking in theology. Here's the problem: this comment will be seen by some as 'religion' and hate, but it's not. Think about this: Let's build a house. The foundation is most important, and if there are cracks in it, the house will crumble. These are foundational questions, and there are not cracks; there's nothing there; no concrete was poured. I pray these folks left and studied to show themselves approved.

You are saved from Hell. You are saved from God’s wrath. Oh this hurts. It is so simple to say. The day I realized that I was a sinner who needs saving and that my good works don’t cut it. When I realized that there is nothing good enough about me to dodge the reality of hell every thing changed. When I genuinely began to understand my sin and understand how worthy I am of hell is when I finally began to grasp how big the love of God truly is. What a great cost Jesus paid to save my soul. To purchase me. To adopt me. When you understand that you understand God’s love

Its super encouraging to see Rich have a realization that the church world he has been a part of desperately needs a return to "Classic Christianity." You could really see this entire panel outside of Tennyson not understanding (or refusing to go there) what Rich was looking for. Praying for Vous Church, hoping this time bears much fruit and that they will lean into what Rich was striving for.

Someone let Judah know it is okay to say we are saved from the wrath of God through Christ absorbing our deserved judgment on the cross. Wow. "Saved from ourselves" ... why is he so afraid to just say what the Bible says in moments like this??

One of the main issues in the church today: people with the title of Pastor joke about how "deep" very basic theological questions are. You guys are the TEACHERS. It's not humility to brag about how much deep study you are lacking - it's foolishness. Example: We are NOT "saved from ourselves." We are saved from God's wrath. Speak the truth in the fullness of truth or do not claim the title of Pastor. I know that may seem harsh, but this has to eventually stop in our cultural moment. The stage you guys have is too large.

Rich and the Dr. Held this together. Man everybody else tho. I think it’s time to get back in the Word and let it wreck you and change you.

I'm thankful to hear it said that "faith to believe is a gift from God". Not very many Christian's today want to except that truth of Scripture.

I saw this panel and went straight to the comments. Confirmed all I need to know before even watching🤦🏾‍♂️

Love the spirit in which this was put on by rich. And also really love the attempts to clean up some of the confusing responses that were given. It would have been better if it was just rich and the theologian. But in a way it still was useful because it exposed some not super serious thinkers in this space. But again, shout out to Rich for what seems like a serious attempt to even be theologically literate in his own right. That's such a blessing to see

Dr. Allen Tennison used to be a pastor at my church I loved hearing him teach

I had Dr. Tennison as a professor at North Central. Dude is a legend! So cool he's on this panel!

This crowd is so easily entertained. When did childhood Sunday school start to become the only theology that charismatics ever know. We need to start to level up and get back to the rigor that the church used to be known for before American/therapeutic Christianity became popular

Dr. Allen Tennison was on fire!

Paul, Augustine, Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon, Lewis…and now this. The understanding of the absolute majesty and depth of the gospel is lost on this panel. How many of these men would suffer and die for this gospel? Wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Respect for putting this up Rich and emphasising on the importance of good theology . May God bless your enterprise

I liked a lot of things that they said, but I have to reiterate what others have commented: We’re saved from bondage to sin (which I think they covered using other terms), but we’re also saved from the wrath of God against sin. Without Christ we stand alone before God in our sin and suffer its just punishment. With Christ, we stand before God with the righteousness that Christ has given us resulting everlasting peace and joy in the presence of God.

Thank you for this. Bless.

To everyone who listens to this and gets a taste to learn more about theology; don't ignore that urge. You may start here, but I can guarantee you the journey into the richness of growing in knowing God and being able to clearly define what it is that you believe will be the defining mark on your life. St Anselm (the greatest theologian of the middle ages) said 'Faith seeks Understanding'. This means an active love of God will pursue a greater knowledge and understanding of who He is

What are we saved from? … God’s Wrath!

Goodness , is this where Christianity is!!! Salvation is off, we are not saved from ourselves , this is not what Acts had in Mind for the future of Christianity at all.

i needed to hear all this! thank you!

Eh…the real ones know what’s up. This ain’t it

We’re not saved from ourselves. We’re saved from the wrath of God - refer to the bible verses: Romans 5:9, 1 Thess 1:10, John 3:36. We’re saved from God and to God.

This was really sad although it seems like Rich is trying to improve his church’s biblical literacy, which is encouraging. Although it’s difficult to teach biblical literacy from a panel of biblically illiterate teachers. I really wish Dr. Tennyson would have analyzed the panelists’ answers and showed the audience that they shouldn’t be clapping for the things they were hearing.

These people are kings and priests

Dr Tennision (the guy in the green hat), nailed it, when it talked about the importance of the Gospel. Kind of wish people in the comment section would stop grouping him in with Judah Smith and the rest of the panel that lacked understanding.

Rich: Can you talk a little bit about sanctification? Judah: Here's how you cook perfect rice. Step 1, wash the rice Audience: Wow!!! C'mon now!

To echo what a lot of the comments are saying Rich def seemed to have his heart in the right place for having this, But wow other than Rich and the Theologian there are some baby Christians when it comes to the word on that stage. Making the simplicity of the Gospel SO complicated by fluffing it up with their desire to make themselves look wise. I'm so encouraged to see other brothers and sisters posting their disappointment in the lack of biblical truth in this video as many believers now a day have seemed to overlook. Last thought we need to stop being so focused on making the Gospel look cool to the world and be more focused on it being conveyed biblically accurate i.e The Truth

This entire panel is anointed, but especially the professor! I didn’t want to go back to college since I graduated, but I’ll be the first one in his class🤣💯🙌🏽

RC Sproul book: Saved From What Simple read but deep theology and answers this question

I won’t add even more negative comments to this comment section even if it is factual, but for actual bible based theology, this is a swing and a miss. There are so many resources for good theology that listening to motivational speakers isn’t necessary for learning it. I would recommend the panels over the last decade from Ligonier conferences.

Why is theological education and biblical literacy a tool we use? Theology is life! it is about digging the bible about what it means fo me to follow and obey Christ in the world we live today.

Yikes. Run.

Stunning. I wrote down so many beautiful and living giving things. Thank you for great and healthy theology.

There is a lot of great truth here but there are things here to be concerned about. Where is the urgency for souls to be saved? Where is the pain that many people are going to reject the message and go to hell? Where is the urgency on the danger of sin? If I was a non-Christian watching this I’d be sitting back thinking I don’t need God as my savior, but more as a positive life coach.

Judah starts with a joke... because he doesn't have sound theology. He said a bunch of nothing. I clicked on this because I was surprised these names would have a "Classic Christianity conversation on Theology". Also, interesting that the only sound person's name is not in the title (Dr. Tennison).

I’m a pastor in Japan and this hyped me up !!!!! Wow. This was great .

Their constant attempt to avoid saying we are saved from the WRATH of God broke my heart.

THIS IS THE MESSAGE YOU NEED TO HEAR: “From that time Jesus began to preach, saying, z “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” Matthew 4:17 You’re not being saved from yourself but if you are saved, you’re being saved from God. Because all have fallen short of the glory of God and are at enmity with Him. However, if you repent and believe on the lord Jesus Christ you will have eternal life and peace with God. Do not believe in these false teaching for they lead to damnation. BELIEVE IN THE GOSPEL OF GOD, which is Christ and Him crucified. Soli Deo Gloria

People are hungry for the real bible. Some of these preachers will start to realise it soon

No mention of eternal hell?

I get the joking about not paying attention in Bible school or not having a super deep theological knowledge, but man that is not setting a good example for the church. If you just wanna be a Christian motivational speaker do it. Teachers ought to understand and know the Word and not be confounded by simple questions

Panel on theology😂😂😂😂😂

This is difficult to watch. “Soundbite sermons” that sound cute, funny, and profound to the biblically illiterate. I agree with other comments about Rich’s good intentions. Knowing Rich’s family ministry heritage, I am surprised he puts up with the theological inaccuracies throughout this panel discussion.

Oh boy. This is a mess. A lot of misguided half-truths about the gospel of Christ. If there is anyone that is learning about Jesus through these speakers, please read the Bible IN ITS ENTIRETY for yourself. The Holy Spirit will lead you into ALL truth. This ain’t it.

Amazed how much these guys Love themselves and the sound of their own voice and the way they look. Judah’s first response, as expected, was sadly man-centred. They simply should not have a platform until they go back to seminary, and learn how to carefully, thoughtfully and prayerfully exegete God’s Word. They’re trivialising and watering down the effects of sin on humanity and the wrath and Sovereignty of God. Underpinning their entire thinking is a gospel of ‘me’, not Christ. Furtick, Osteen, Houston, Smith, Veich, all preach the same empty message. Every time I hear ‘lean in’ I see a red flag too.

It’s absolutely astounding to me that these jesus hipsters can sit around and talk in clichés and catchphrases and captivate an entire stadium with this conversation. Meanwhile god does absolutely nothing and is absolutely quiet at all times, leaving the word to their own experiences. it’s just so funny to me

This is so sad. They wanted to avoid orthodoxy and get their sound bites for IG so bad. I’m thankful Allen was there to at least clean up the mess

We are saved from ourselves? What happened to repentance towards God rather? Judah Smith oooooooooooooooooh man

This group of people would probably be the last people I would want to hear about theology from. They are all sadly shallow and led astray as to what the church model/presentation of the gospel should be.

Im at the 8:00 mark and no one has given a biblical definition of what we are saved from

Why do these pastors put so much effort to look "hip"? This looks like a reality TV show...

If anyone reads this…go listen to a man named John gerstner he’ll explain things better and not confuse you more like this panel has

In agreement 59mmich. They are talking about theology and have a women pastor? That right there says something about their shakey theology. He opens up and says if we don't know the bible you can't teach it. Well the plank in the eye is being overlooked. We need to pray for them for sure. They can't even answer what we are saved from. We are being saved from God .

just my two cents here, but I don't think this is Classical Christianity..

Is it just me as a Catholic, or do these people either not know what they're talking about, or are just making things up?

Romans 1 wrath is not the cause but the consequence of the problem = idolatry. Three times Paul says wrath is being handed over to the consequence of putting creation over creator. Paul therefore goes on to declare that salvation does more to save us from wrath (the consequence) but to change me from the inside out (the cause). His power takes me from slave to sin to instrument of righteousness. So isn’t “saved from self” as good or potentially a better answer than “wrath” to “saved from what?” The full work of salvation is not just get me out of hell, it makes me a new creation. Not just to fix the “wrath problem” but to fix the “idol problem”.

Ruslan brought me here. This was painful to watch. This entire panel except Pastor Rich and the Dr. need to go do a deep dive into scripture again. This was extremely exposing and showed how far the church is getting away from the meat of the gospel. Praying for these Pastors to get back to the word of God and gain fresh revelation of His Word. Discernment is increasing in the bride of Christ and we're starting to see straight through and discern those that are truly walking in the revelation of who Jesus is and living it daily. Pastors aren't going to be able to hide behind their pulpits and popularity anymore.

If you don’t understand the Word of God… end of discussion.

The real question is. Why are Judah’s legs so shiny? 😂

What we are seeing here, folks, is what happens is the distinction between men and boys talking. I am a Reformed and baptistic pastor so I would have my disagreement with Dr. Tennison...but he brought light and heat to this panel while the other contributors (Pastor Rich excepted) brought barely a match...

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12 minutes in and this is painful and I can't finish watching. Blue hat is there in shorts, (first red flag-there's a suitable place for wearing shorts and it's not up on the pulpit), he's kicking his legs up and down, speaking in circles about being saved from ourselves? -and the panel nods and claps! I'm sorry, this is unfortunate 🙏🏾

When Judah Smith opens his mouth, I have to stop the video. Just being honest

If I could be completely transparent, I clicked this video so that I could have ammunition for why these preachers and teachers aren’t worth listening to… When I look in, I see fame, wealth, beauty, and relevance packaged up neatly into some hip, trending pastor who has more numerical following than the risen Lord they profess and teach of. And let’s be honest, no one really cares about my opinion or uncharitable view upon these men or women. But if I may, I just want to say how absolutely impressed, encouraged, and unequivocally edified this video was, and these pastors and teachers were for my heart, mind, and soul. The way in which the Gospel of Christ was so articulately, and yet understandably displayed, was such a beautiful example that I really have some growing to do in the area of charity and humility. Do I agree 100% with how everything was teased out? No. This is not, and should never be my aim, though. I came here to poke fun and raise my nose, and left on my knees before the one, true God who calls me “son.” I repent for my arrogance, and thank you for your faithfulness. Eager to watch more. Thank you.

They’re talking so much word salad… welcome to the self help gospel seeker sensitive church

A lot of words. No substance. This is not Christian in any sense.

Classic Christianity = Catholicism

Salvation - a path cleared in a burning building which provides you 👉🏽OPPORTUNITY👈🏽 to 👉🏽GET UP AND WALK👈🏽 out of the building before you burn up with it… 😐 It’s not a License to burn up in a burning building just because you see a path cleared!!! That’s not how Christ works!!! “You will go on to DO GREATER THINGS!!!!” “All men will be judged according to 👉🏽THEIR WORKS👈🏽” NOT THEIR BELIEFS!!!! If you believe in Christ you will attempt to walk as he walked!!! Not celebrate him doing everything so you don’t have to do anything that is not scriptural!!!! Saved from real time death penalty!? YES!!! Saved from the second death by way of God’s judgement!? NO!!!! YOUR WORKS DETERMINE THIS AS A RESULT OF YOU USING SALVATION AS YOUR STARTING LINE!!! Salvation is NOT A FINISH-LINE!!! It is the starting line by which all things in the state of our world through the blood of Christ 👉🏽Can 👈🏽 be built!!! Are you doing the work AFTER salvation or simply focused on the fact that salvation has been offered!? That’s like sitting in a burning building in celebrating the fact that Christ cleared a path until you burn up having never got up and walked out of it!

Calling real people “characters” shows that one doesn’t believe in the people of the Bible (actual history). Judah made a bunch of random claims about nothing of substance while using as many crafty, depthless words imaginable. “Jesus wants to save you…” and says “nobody wants that.” Absurdity and a mockery of our savior.

This was painful to watch . Why did the kid in the “I met Jesus” shirt called her stupid after she spoke on min 32:20? And she stayed quite 😒😒😒😒😒 READ YOUR BIBLE !

From ourselves?! Come on…🤣🤦‍♂️

I don't think I like Judah Smith's answer to that 1st question... Ironic they're talking about theology... Saved from ourselves??? I honestly think that is the furthest thing from what the bible says... God created us. We are His creation.... We are saved from SIN. Not "our sin" because sin isn't ours. Sin is sin.... Saved from hell. That is a reality. I am mind boggled.

The girl had the most unbiblical answers

Judah saved from the wrath of God chum, should of stayed in bible college or read your Bible

Yep - this is why I’m converting to Catholicism. The shallow, relativist, me-centric theology from virtually all of these pastors is reckless & is leading people to hell. Open up scripture, humble yourselves, and do better.

Need to really dive in on good, real theology. This ain’t it. The professor was spot on. I don’t know what the rest where doing there. And sorry but Judah is not a preacher nor a pastor and is in need of serious help.

Panel of false teachers.

Whooooooo, some serious cringe on some of these answers.

These folks are not qualified to be answering these questions

Man these people look ridiculous. Making the Gospel a gimmick and sales pitch dressing like that. How is someone supposed to take you seriously that you take the Gospel seriously when you look the fads of the world, which glorify novelty

These people are "Pastors"?? My 8 year old knows what we are saved from. What is happening to the church??

( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God ) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by Good Deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And lawful in marriage are chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion. Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise ) On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils. '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work

Biblically and theologically speaking, that woman shouldn’t have been allowed to speak such ridiculous unbiblical nonsense. Less motivational self help and more bible.

The Gospel: Plain and Simple “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” - 2 Corithians 11:3 Ask someone today if they are saved and you will most likely hear responses like these: “I have accepted Jesus into my heart.” Or “I have made him Lord of my life.” “I’ve been baptized.” “I said a prayer.” Sounds all good and churchy don’t it; but it is difficult to de-termine whether or not a person actually knows the gospel that saves them. These use￾less phrases don’t describe a thing about what the gospel is and has left a devastating effect of people not knowing what it is that they are saved from nor how they are saved; which leaves a more serious effect of people ques￾tioning their salvation. Let’s not muddy the simplicity of salva￾tion that is in Christ with vague church sounding phrases that do not communicate anything. But rather present God’s word with clarity and assuredness. So here is the gospel: plain and simple. Sin was passed upon all men by one man Adam, and death is a consequence of this sin (Rom 5:12). Mankind has an eternal destiny of condemnation and wrath - Hell - because of this sin (Rom 6:23). No matter what good works one might do we are still found sinners in the sight of our Creator God. And all un￾righteousness and those who follow get in￾dignation and wrath. We cannot be found righteous for by God’s law we are found sin￾ners (Rom 3:19-20). If we have broken even one law we are found guilty. It is for this reason of not being able to create our own righteousness and being born in a sinful flesh that we need a savior (Titus 3:5). Christ is that Savior, God manifested in the flesh, sinless, died in our place on a cross 2000 years ago. Taking upon him the wrath and judgement that was intended for us sin￾ners. And it is through his bloodshed, burial, and resurrection on our behalf that we are able to have peace with God and forgiveness of our sins (1 Cor 15:1-4, Col 3:14). This good news is unto all but only those that believe in it are made righteous in Christ (Romans 3:22). It is then after we have heard this good news of Christ’s righteousness available to us freely, that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit and we are now part of Christ’s body the church (Eph 1:13) There is nothing that we need to do, no good works that are required, and no bad works that can separate us from our new po￾sition in Christ (Romans 8:35-39). Faith and belief in this information from God’s word is the gospel. The gospel is not accepting Jesus into your heart. The gospel is not making him lord of your life, it is not saying a prayer and it is not being baptized with water. So next time someone asks you if you are saved. Give them the clear assured answer “Yes! And let me tell you why Find more free resources at: www.graceambassadors.com