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@asrock2577 18 дней назад

ur for sure the most useful music theory guy on RU-vid.

@juliengobet5498 17 дней назад

the best

@ItsGrantM 18 дней назад

No way, I did not know Offaiah was the legend Michael Woods aka Warrior?! He was a beast back in the day! M1 - Heaven Sent was also his, loved that track.

@gnthr7992 18 дней назад

Hello ... I just want to give you a really cool quote ... "The Piano Ain't Got No Wrong Notes" by The Genius Thelonious Monk !!!!

@donnydarko7624 18 дней назад

I heard another person say its not the notes you play, but the way you play them

@Ravix0fFourHorn 17 дней назад

You should also talk about how you can use a single chord and then with harmony create interesting results. I do it all the time on my french house/nu disco tunes.

@muzaarnold 17 дней назад

@@Ravix0fFourHorn im a fan of music that stay on a chord but maje it feel fresh! My answer is RHYTHM and ARRANGEMENT! Keep it interesting and something changing or progressing overtime e.g melodies/counter/variations…

@DaniloRod23 17 дней назад

Lydian mode creates something called "Tonal instability", which describes perfectly this situation. "Floating on the sixth" is a good name too considering that these progressions lead to resolve on the sixth grade even when they never do. Great video as always.

@puvendranpillay8802 9 дней назад

Having the tonic in One More Time won't let me go one more time when playing

@paul6925 18 дней назад

Never heard that Played-Alive song before. Those chords remind me of Cyndi Lauper - Time After Time. They’re very beautiful

@Ufkatuale 17 дней назад

this track was so famous in germany. Their USP was to playing the percussions in their tracks live.

@paul6925 17 дней назад

@@Ufkatuale This is why I feel like I was born in the wrong country (Canada seems to hate this kind of music and I don't understand why)

@streck0486 17 дней назад

Damn it. I thought I'd be the first to point this out, but you beat me by a few hours. Yes, it's basically the intro to Time After Time - with bongos and an endearingly cheesy synth line. 🙂

@paul6925 17 дней назад

@@streck0486 😂

@vferraz88 13 дней назад

omg, you are the man!! this is really useful indeed! Now I understand why some prog house tracks can create that floating vibe, but also why sometimes I´m annoyed at the lack of resolution!!!

@uploadx11 11 дней назад

You are Best Thing on this thing ❤❤

@samsmusic2995 14 дней назад

That was very helpful, thank you

@LabofmusicRecords 17 дней назад

and here he is again, the music theory and production legend.

@streck0486 17 дней назад

Big fan of this type of harmonic ambiguity. Another good example is a track called Face To Face by Paul van Dyk from his Album Out There And Back (2000). The chords are F# G#m E E. Could be 5-6-4-4 in B major, or 7-1-6-6 in G# minor, or god knows what. The top line of the strings and an occasional ostinato bass pattern mildly hint at B major, but it's all reasonably vague and everything floats along nicely.

@justinmsc 16 дней назад

I can feel the floaty vibe in each. Definitely going to experiment with chord 6 as you said 😎

@boronoro 18 дней назад

Thank You!!! Great topic, depth of knowledge and humor! Stellar content!!

@HG-jy6tx 18 дней назад

I love these videos, each one is so useful and has taught me loads keep it up 🙏

@Gedden 18 дней назад

I've decided I need to comment on every video so I can try to keep you making these as long as possible! Thanks!

@flamesintheattic 16 дней назад

Keys don't matter. It's the harmonic content at any given time that matters. As long as the voice leading makes sense, you can use any note you want.

@Nohledge 18 дней назад

Sir, you always come through with great tips and f&ck yes Safri Duo’s track is a classic

@johnkooper 17 дней назад

Value as always ! Thank you !

@BeritzLofi 15 дней назад

Wow... great video. Thank you ! 😊

@JH-lo9ut 17 дней назад

Very interesting. All these songs hve something "off" about them but still works really well thanks for explaining this.

@Wladimir-y8h 17 дней назад

Safri Duo sounds like Cindy Lauper´s Time after Time

@darbomusic 17 дней назад

Such a genius ❤

@hangslow 18 дней назад

The best on RU-vid still ❤

@JomarkhoMusic 17 дней назад

Thanks for another interesting video. Keep up the great work. I would like to add that many songs use chords that have notes not in the tonic key. I come from a jazz background so this is prevalent but it is very common for a song in F major to have D7 chords (D F# A C) as a V-chord to a G minor chord. just to give one simple example. The song is still in F though, even if F# is not in the F major scale. I think that it is these out of tonic notes, and other modes like Lydian or Lydian Dominant as other commenters have mentioned, that make things really interesting to the ear. Beatport often gets the "key" wrong depending where it looks (and usually halves my bpm to boot) but I guess if it is limited to 12 majors and 12 minors it will often have nowhere correct to land.

@Bthelick 17 дней назад

Yes I've covered non-diatonic also. I don't class these as non-diatonic though, just tonic-less. And as I say all the melodies point to the standard minor tonic.

@JomarkhoMusic 17 дней назад

@@Bthelick yes totally, just didn't want people to be puzzled if they saw a chord with non-diatonic notes.

@StoneCut 18 дней назад

Another great video, thank you.

@Etobio 18 дней назад

It's always fun to look in the description to see how RU-vid thought you did recreating the demo songs 😅

@Bthelick 18 дней назад

Google flags 2 of them on my phone but so far luckily nothing on YT 🤞

@tonicba4748 18 дней назад

thank you 🙏

@VentureNW 18 дней назад

Thanks Ben!

@stefandumitrasku1314 14 дней назад

Could you make a video on to layer drums? I also would want to know your input on when its a good time to use it on a track and when its now

@San7hos 17 дней назад

The comments say it all. I'm just adding one for the algorithm. Cheers, exquisite content as usual!

@San7hos 14 дней назад

Btw after years with Reason, I'm testing combining Live with Reason vsts. Any good tutorials on Live shortcuts?

@forse.music96 17 дней назад

Hi, I previously asked you about the difference between C major and A minor, as they consist of the same set of notes, and I managed to get to the bottom of it. The main problem is that people confuse mode and scale. They think that the set of notes from tonic to tonic represents the mode, which is a mistake. A mode is the organization of sounds based on certain principles over time, such as the resolution of unstable sounds to stable ones in tonal systems. For modal systems, like D Dorian, which has the exact same set of notes as A minor and C major, a different approach is applied, with characteristic degrees. In other words, you can form different modes using the same set of notes. A simple example: if you think in terms of tonalities, the chord progression Dmin - Fmaj - Gmaj can be analyzed as II - IV - V, and in this case, there is no tonic. However, it is actually a Dorian progression, with the note D being the tonic. So, it can be seen as I - III - IV.

@Bthelick 17 дней назад

Yes I covered that in the gangstas paradise video. It's one of those seemingly simple concepts that is intuitive to seasoned musicians but is extremely hard to explain to newcomers in layman's terms. Most of these are not modal though as the melodies and other factors point to a tonic.

@GTighT455 15 дней назад

Hey B! Big fan of your videos, they’ve taught me a lot 🙏 I’ve noticed that chopped vocals are key in many tracks, whether for ambiance or melody. In some tracks, the vocals are the only element that provides the melody and makes the track memorable. How do you approach creating such tracks without vocals? I struggle with finding fitting vocals and don’t have a mic or singers. How can I tell if my track is finished without vocals? Is there a rule like "It should be a banger even without vocals"? Cheers!

@Bthelick 15 дней назад

I take 2 approaches. Tracks that are intended to be instruments vs tracks which are supposed to have vocals but don't yet. There are in-between tracks that have minimal vocals like fisher's losing it that I call a "dub" arrangement. Those are not reliant on melody though so I treat those like instrumentals. Arrangements for deliberate instrumental tracks are different, and if you don't know how to arrange without vocals then you need to be referencing tracks which don't have them either. If you're intending to make a vocal track but don't have the vocals yet then you can always just AI rip a vocal from another a track so you can work with that temporarily, finish the arrangement with that but mute it for the final mixdown, and release the instrumental of that hoping either someone will topline it for you , or you can find a vocal later. I always release instrumental first regardless of the final track's intention, as it's safer for legal reasons, plus you get an extra track for free which you never know someone may prefer.

@GTighT455 15 дней назад

@@Bthelick Thanks so much for your answer!

@MrBrownAlliance 17 дней назад

excellent

@pikimimmi 18 дней назад

Cheers b

@rikgreen520 18 дней назад

Hi Ben, a question i've been wanting to ask, Reference Reference Reference, how do you go about creating a song from scratch, do you A) have the inspiration of a loop or a riff to start a song, then look for a track with a similar vibe and energy or B) hear a song and get inspired to create something on a similar level..??? Another great video by the way.

@andressparks9853 15 дней назад

You talk about things that no one talk. One of my favourite teachers Bthelick

@ELLIOT8209 18 дней назад

Limpopo, South Africa first. Thobela 😁😁😁

@DanielD.mp3 17 дней назад

I’ve noticed this as kind of a frustrating problem whenever writing chord progressions that center heavily on the IV. It’s interesting enough to not be as obvious as focusing on the I but ambiguous enough to feel like it’s unresolved and never going anywhere. I almost wonder if this is because historically in pop music we are so used to hearing a IV as beginning a bridge, break, or some other type of change from the norm.

@Bthelick 17 дней назад

Yes probably, for a very long time IV was where the break moved too

@boombox8118 18 дней назад

Everybody wants to rule the world is a great tune that avoids the tonic chord!

@Bthelick 17 дней назад

In the chorus / pre chorus isn't it? I thought the verse resolves to that 1maj7. I know it moves to the 4 inversion after 3 beats but that's a resolve I thought

@hosseinhashmzadeh2801 11 дней назад

Eric preda😂😂

@Bthelick 11 дней назад

Who's that?

@z73-dn9ts 18 дней назад

great) please more afro tutorial do it))))

@markwozere1988 17 дней назад

I'm interested in notes of the baselines and kicks of the tracks you discussed. Do they follow the root note or are based around the key that you've identified for these tracks?

@Bthelick 17 дней назад

The basses are all following the roots of the chords not playing the home key. Kicks aren't tuned, they are not long enough (see my tuning kicks video).

@markwozere1988 16 дней назад

Thanks so much!

@streck0486 17 дней назад

I would argue that Safri Duo is in B major. For one thing, the chords shifted one semi-tone up are the same as in the intro to Time After Time which is clearly in C major. Second, the melody in Played-A-Live starts with and resolves to B. That's enough evidence for me. 🙂 Come to think of it, the pad sound also sounds a bit like the one in Time After Time. I wouldn't be surprised if this is how the chords came together. It happens to me constantly that I'm noodling with a synth patch and suddenly I recognize something I've played and get stuck on it.

@Bthelick 17 дней назад

Same scale as G# minor yes. But I would argue the melody wouldn't be centered around a B to G# if it was B major, F# would be used instead. Although I hear the last G# as the resolve, not the first B.

@streck0486 17 дней назад

@@Bthelick Interesting. I can't help but hear the top line walking down in steps from E to B at the end of the 4-bar-loop as a resolution. The G# in the bass doen't even register with me. In any case, it's certainly not straight forward to assign a key to the song.

@Bthelick 17 дней назад

@@streck0486 there is no g# on the bass , or B. I was referencing the melody.

@streck0486 16 дней назад

@@Bthelick Sorry, I phrased this poorly. I was thinking of the G#3 between E4 and D#4 in the melody (visible at 0:20 in measures 4 and 8), which I had assumed was your G#. Anyway, thanks for indulging me. Not a real muso, just a wannabe here. 😅

@eliash.6142 17 дней назад

B-minor is just the same notes as D-major. I thought D-major was correct for Daft Punk. You got the 4-5-3 chord progression going on.

@Bthelick 16 дней назад

Almost , if it wasn't for the fact the the vocal resolves to B most phrases

@RogueBeatsARG 13 дней назад

They have a key, they just not hitting them

@DarkSunGwyn 6 дней назад

what's the last song called? I understand "of fires - trouble" and find nothing edit: okay nevermind I kept watching for 10 seconds and there you go, haha!

@Bthelick 5 дней назад

The outro song is Barber's adagio for strings , specifically the Ferry Corstan remix, well my quick recreation anyway

@DarkSunGwyn 5 дней назад

@@Bthelick uuuhh wrong video the answer was offaiah, much appreciated though! took a quick listen on the ferry corstan remix, sounds just like tiesto! you think a tropical organic future house version would work? something like flak from future sound of london may even work maybe? I'm half joking but I'd honestly love your opinion on this! cheers

@Bthelick 5 дней назад

@DarkSunGwyn oh sorry haha my bad It could work yeah, I already did a tropical version under the name chillion

@alex-esc 18 дней назад

It's just lydian ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@PeterLawrenceYT 17 дней назад

@@alex-esc takes until 7:47 to bring it up and chooses to ignore it because DJ software doesn't use modes other than major and minor. His conclusion is that these songs must not start on the 1 chord instead of, maybe DJ software sucks and should recognise modes when it's appropriate.

@Bthelick 17 дней назад

Not true. I don't ignore it just because of DJ software, although dj's are my audience so that part is important. As I showed in the gangsta's Paradise video well the factors point to the original tonic mostly melodies. I don't hear these in lydian, I hear them in the relative minor. Just unresolved. I polled other non-electronic expert musicians who gave the same answers too you check it's not just me.

@DJSupaflyguy 18 дней назад

🫡👌👌👌👌

@adamkutchman 16 дней назад

I'm really confused (I'm not ...but the presenter is) as to how that song Trouble doesn't have a key? It has a key, it just spends most of it's time on the IV chord. That in NO WAY breaks the key. This presenter doesn't seem to know the difference between key and key center.

@Bthelick 16 дней назад

It does have a key, did you not watch the video? I said all of what you just said including why the title had to be that! You definitely typed this without watching past 30s 🤣

@timothyeverson1795 11 дней назад

You could've called it "Classic Tracks That Use Modal Interchange".

@Bthelick 11 дней назад

Absolutely, but then my target audience of DJs won't know that is and not click on it! Although I don't agree this is modal interchange, it's just no-tonic progressions, entirely diatonic.

@timothyeverson1795 10 дней назад

@@Bthelick no no it definitely isn't on a normal standard of what is considered modal interchange. I'd look at a Deadmau5 track or a Zedd track, even an old Kaskade track for modal interchange, but on a technical level it is modal interchange, just not as grandiose. I mean in a technical sense maybe secondary dominants sometimes, otherwise may as well call it faux pedal point with extensions.

@timothyeverson1795 10 дней назад

@@Bthelick also I thought that third song in the intro was a kaytranada song 😂 guess they just use similar progressions.

@discobomber 18 дней назад

What synths and basses are used on one more time? I can see kontakt. Which patch? And what drums?

@Bthelick 18 дней назад

Bass is the free p bass by ample. Couldn't find a good free brass so that is session pro brass in kontakt. 2 alto sax and 2 trumpets Drums are just various bits I picked up from typing "disco" into splice, I didn't spend long on it they were just picked quick. You should be able to see the names on screen of the loops though if you should want to search them. I record at 1440p

@discobomber 17 дней назад

@@Bthelick thanks for the reply man!

@discobomber 17 дней назад

It's absolutely insane that the session pro get such a rich sound. Always thought this needs piano, strings and brass layer to accomplish this. This is amazing

@adamkutchman 16 дней назад

B major in A major is non-diatonic...but the presenter is not illustrating that he knows what "borrowed chords" or "key center" are. Not a great lesson. These songs all have a key.

@Bthelick 16 дней назад

I explain all that in the video

@mingomarrero 18 дней назад

Played a Live by Safri Duo is one of my favorite songs of all time. One of the items in my bucket list is to do something with it. What. Do. You. Mean. There’s. No. Keyyyyyyy 🫠

@Bthelick 18 дней назад

Well it does, it just never returns to its home key chord. Like I said, I couldn't fit that in the video title haha.

@MicahTwissElias 13 часов назад

I usually make indie/alternative music but your videos are so helpful for learning about mixing, and how sounds are created. Thanks for all your help!

@tverdyznaqs 18 часов назад

Nahh I still prefer the modes explanation rather than the mental gymnastics necessary to accept that some songs can have key centers without ever visiting them. And the fact that key detection software can't handle music written in anything other than major or minor is on the developers, not on the users. Note that I do still think that both explanations are equally as valid, it's just a personal preference thing