Claudio Abbado in rehearsal with the Berliner Philharmoniker 

Immenso

It's not really like that. The post-shoot processing of video footage often causes video and audio to go out of sync with each other. It's a pain to fix it, but of course it can, and should, be done. I have posted video to RU-vid myself which was perfectly in sync on my own equipment, but not here. That often means I have to put my own video deliberately out of sync on my equipment, so that it comes out correctly on RU-vid. Very fiddly, and editing software is variable too.

If one doesn't use the ears on the podium it's all noise. That's called balancing. Nothing to do with interpretation.

A legendary timpanist, but this isn't a concerto for timpani and orchestra; one must respect the wishes of the conductor. Before Abbado persuaded him to cooperate, what we got was a timpanist showing us what he can do - other instruments were simply drowned out. Beethoven didn't write notes with the intention of having them drowned out. All the players in this orchestra are 'legendary', anyway, but only a conductor can balance 100 Heifetzes... Yes, I know LOUD is fun...😃

If this is the first rehearsal you don't know how the conductor wants to have it, so you play what is written.

no matter what, as a orchestra, it sounded better after making that diminuendo.

What a joker, speaking with faked authority, it's not about a timpanist's ego, it's about balancing the music. He's just playing the way Karajan wanted, for the past 38 years, conductor and players just need some time getting used to each other. No big deal. 43 tone deaf egoists and counting...

Also Karajan was a Nazi

In the score there is no diminuendo. Just a fact, fully respect Professor vogler and maestro Abbado

WHITECK9 haha! That’s hilarious!

Sorry, why don't you try playing it?

noob

It's a storm. The rumbling thunder isn't interested in synchronization, and the way Beethoven has written for the basses means you can't hear the individual notes anyway. They're just too fast and low-down for that. It's one of the few moments in classical music when players can just do their thing and BE a thunderstorm. Fabulous.

Eric Kotlyarov Oswald Vogler

aber es macht schon Sinn was der Abbado sagt, wie sollen denn die Streicher denn da durchkommen! Dirigent entscheidet, und Musiker kann was dazu sagen ...nicht aber in diesem Ton!

@@themanamana81 - das Zwiegespraech geht von Abbado aus: "Aber wir haben schon in Berlin gespielt", worauf Vogler ihm klar zu verstehen gibt, dass er die 6. nie unter Abbado spielen musste (sondern immer nur unter Karajan). Was zaehlt ist Voglers Professionalitaet - das folgende Diminuendo ist unglaublich: problem solved!

@@themanamana81 - Genau. "Konzert fuer Pauke und Orkester nach Ludwig van Beethoven" gibt's nicht.

He played 'correctly' but insensitively, not caring about the overall balance. But it's Abbado's job to care about that.

@@wardropper he played correctly and that’s all, balance is already there

Beethoven 6th sympony 4th movement?

I believe it is Rainer Kussmaul.

Rainer Kussmaul. He followed Leon Spierer as 1. concertmaster, together with Kolja Blacher. In that time the Berliners had 4 first concertmasters (the other were Toru Yasunaga and Daniel Stabrawa). I think it was about 1994. I think Rainer Kussmaul didn' t pass the probationary year, he left in 1996 or so...

His English was never too good.

Richtig

This exchange detracts from the timpanist's musicianship. Following Beethoven's dynamics did not mean switching off common sense. He often wrote 'forte' to indicate an accent as well as a general dynamic level, and judgement is required. Think of a falling phrase of two notes slurred together in practically any music from the Classical-Romantic era - it wouldn't occur to any musician to play the two notes identically, but rather "Heavy-light" or "Long-short". It's musicianship.

I hope you are more experienced now because its very common that a conductor asks you to do a diminuendo on a long roll. Or sometimes even an accent on one and the rest mezzoforte. When its a full bar or even 4 or 6 bars. Why?? because mostly it is togheter with a long chord of the brass. But .... somewhere there are woodwinds or strings with and entrance. Sure there is NO diminuendo in the score but you simply could drown the others and the entrance is unheard. It could be that from your place high up there in the back it isnt. But thats why you got a conductor sitting in the front. Like a director of traffic in the tower of an airport. Also in the old days in an early symphony the trumpets and timpani didnt "phrase". V-I was in FF bang bang. Nowadays you should phrase and put an slight accent. Or four repetitive notes. Slight crescendo or slight diminuendo. Or not al of them the same lenght etc. phrase along with the winds THAT makes a good timpanist. Not just bang the shit out of your drums when you see FF on your score.

It's Beethoven‘s 6th Symphony.

Beethoven 6th symphony - 4th movement

Joaquim Méndez it's the 4th movement, in fact

True, my bad!

Doch nur der Paukist... Nicht der Solist...

@@wardropper Bei Gewitter ist der Donner immer Solist.😁

Hello, thanks for your question. They are rehearsing the fourth movement of Beethoven's Symphony No. 6 in the video.

@@berlinphil Really.. I must rehear.. best regards & thanks, Berlin!

nope, 4th. Berliner know their Beethoven, no worries.

Mahler would have literally - although emphatically, in the most severe VERBAL terminology - taken his head clean off; one did not dare trifle with Gustav M!

Ja. Es sind die Berliner phylamoniker....die sprechen. Deutsch....nun in London. Spricht man wahrscheinlich English. Oder?

A lot of cartoons of course did use classical music. I loved that when I was a child.

Unfortunately for profitability reasons orchestras have less rehearsal time than before. It's sad. I'm sure if it was up to the conductor, they'd love to have more sectional rehearsals.

Oh, how true!