Cleopatra and Mark Antony - Real Faces - Ancient Egypt - Rome 

No it's fake History and you're delusional for believing it.

Yes. It's strange they keep saying she wasn't beautiful, my mother had a nose and similar face shape and was considered beautiful by people who knew her, of course I thought so, but I am biased, being her son. This gentleman's reconstructions of her are quite beautiful indeed, just not in the "Baby face" Elizabeth Taylor style.

Modern Roman? Are you Italian? For not all Italian is Romans even during the times of Julius & mark Anthony.

@@agadirand4four347 I'm not jutst italian i'm roman (born and rise in Rome) so how do u wish to call me genious?

@@agadirand4four347 excuse me...what do you call an inhabitant of Rome, even now?

@@agadirand4four347 All native Italians are descendants of Rome.

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Maybe Mark Zuckerberg was Ptolemy XII in a past life. That's if you believe in reincarnation.

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I was thinking that he looked familiar. Problem solved!

I do kind of wish the footnotes we're on screen for longer. I have to stop to read them.

@@rivergirl3444 I guess all of us do it

That will be so interesting to see!

It ended up not being the tomb of Cleopatras sister. The remains were of a female around 15 years old. Much too young to be the sister

Actually the tomb and remains in Ephesus have never been proven to belong to anyone related to Cleopatra. Speculated, but never proven.

Absolutely I agree

YEAH, because no one learns any history these days.

They certainly get high handed about it. I expected some to have already commented.

@@Zuxiasunicorn Now that you mention it.....but let's just wait a day or two. I'm sure they'll be crawling out of the woodwork by then.

I wouldn’t argue her complexion as much as the fact it’s known she was inbreed and definitely no beauty by all accounts just highly intelligent and skillful at wielding her power. But if Blacks don’t exist on the continent of Africa that’s a debate for the senseless. Real Egyptians know the truth of the land aka my husband.

Well, if you want to be historically accurate, you definitely need to darken the skin tones. Remember the Greeks considered themselves superior to the neighboring people as they were a perfect blend, a middle-of-the-road between the darker Africans and lighter people far to the North. Roman women grew terribly jealous of the Germanic and Celtic female slaves the Roman legions brought back. To compete with the pale skin of these northern people, Roman women took doses of Arsenic, to make their skin white. Even if Cleopatra was full-blooded Greek she would have the skin tone of someone like Salma Hayak, perhaps. But the Ptolomy line had intermarried with the Egyptian people for many generations, so Cleopatra would likely have been noticeably darker than your typical Greek or Roman at the time, the typical Greek or Roman being considerably darker than a typical Northern European.

thx mate!

its because she was in a very inbred family line but being part of an inbred family doesn't mean that all of the children will be ugly, just that there is a higher chances of a child having pronounced features and therefore not aesthetically pleasing. Some inbred children can be good looking, its really a coin toss.

⁠@@johnisaacfelipe6357. Talking about coin, there is a Cleopatras face on one of the coins, looking very Ptolemaic ( big chin and nose) pretty much ugly,nothing similar to this.

@@spiritualhumanist can you give me the name of this coin? surely it must have a title

Pretty indeed but your actions make you ugly to most. Some people have other definitions though

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Thank you 😊

Yes. She thought she had a guaranteed victory, and why not, up to the defeat at Actium, Octavian and his allies had not shown they could do anything but lose in a direct head to head war vs Antony. Antony was the more experienced, seasoned, PROVEN military commander, historically, that usually wins but not here, which is strange. Furthermore, he was in Caesar's position and Octavian in Pompey's initially,, but he was much stronger relative to Octavian than Caesar to Pompey. Pompey had every advantage except battle hardened troops, he had Italy, the Senate's support, more money, more men, yet, in the end Caesar won. Here, Antony held the East, which had more wealth, more power, he could easily match what Octavian could bring forth. Yet, there was something strange going on with Julius and his nephew, a family culture that was somehow generating men who could both nation build, and grow as military commanders. Octavian in 32 B.C. was a different being than the green youngster that could only watch Antony use their combined resources to take down Caesar's assassins and their army. He had found a friend gifted in tactics and strategy to help him, Agrippa, probably became his student so he was a capable military commander UNKNOWN TO CLEOPATRA AND ANTONY! It must have come as a nasty shock, so much so, that they abandoned the offensive plan to attack and take Rome like Caesar did, and decided to fight defensively in the Actium region. Only then maybe did she stop smiling, since she later panicked when the battle tide seem to turn and she knew Octavian had declared war on her personally, probably why she fled the battle rather early. Yes, she definitely escaped, but her army was lost without it's leader. Hmm, this shows inside she was the same lady who was on the run from her YOUNGER brother and only Julius Caesar prevented his victory and her death. Maybe she abandoned her supporters too quickly then also. In that situation, she needed to understand, SHE COULDN'T RUN, it was do or die there. It's probably why, despite preserving her treasury, she and Antony didn't/couldn't build another army to contest Octavian's advance. It was surely Octavian's turn to be surprised, as he took the time to carefully advance, presuming to likely encounter strong resistance, which actually gave them time to recruit, properly train, and even develop some experience with them fighting desert tribes that still would occasionally raid Egypt. Nope, they just despaired, tried to talk him out of it diplomatically, which of course, failed. When he and his army of 100,000 to 200,000 reached Egypt, I'm sure they expected a monster land battle. Nope. They were so fearful and pathetic, I believe this narrative, Octavian was moved to mercy, especially after his chat with Cleopatra, her magic power over men working one last time even on him, that he allowed Antony a dignified end, and her to remain in her position symbolically as queen, but with him in control. It would be a true client state. He did that during his later reign, unlike his successors. This deal allowed her children including the illegitimate Caesarian to live. Then things may have happened outside of his control, she may have discovered just how much she actually loved Antony and the grief was indeed unbearable for her to endure so she ran one last time, from life itself. Or, one of Octavian's inner circle, someone he couldn't punish, or dare go against took care of her, and Caesarian before he could stop them, and he preserved her other children as he promised. Anyway, had he been really set on humiliating them he would have done as Romans did to even their rivals, deny them a proper burial, wipe out their family children included, he did NOT do that he buried them together in her Mausoleum apparently, a full burial with proper rights apparently, he then commanded his sister to raise them as if they were his own, none of this could have been thrilling to her. She was the wife of Antony at the time he got super serious with Cleopatra, the one who suffered the public humiliation. Octavian literally betrayed his sister by being merciful to those two, and forcing her to raise her traitorous husband's and his mistresses's children after they were gone. He must have promised her that he would ensure the safety of her children I something happened to her, and he lived up to his end of the bargain.

@@jonathancummings6400 Thank you for your analysis. I learned something!

Thank you for watching 😊!

I have a series on what if that had happened

Wow!! That is sooo fascinating! Thanks for the comment!!!🎉😊❤

Ευχαριστώ μεγάλε!😉

She wasn’t queen of the entire continent, just Egypt. And Caesar was Roman, an Italian, not Greek.

crazy that people on twitter rallied behidn the netflix docu saying she was black

@@deejay7339 crazy for sure

Iulius greek ? You are crazy 100% italian blood , iulus is not greek only sicily ,calabria , and puglia have blood greek in italy

she was a redhead Greek.

Her daughter married a black African king from Mauritania so there

@@minorka2 she married king Juba 2nd of Numidia and Mauretania (not modern Mauritania) an amazig man (and we know people from North Africa are white). Anyway, marring with a black persona makes you black?

@@Hlnodovik So, - If I marry (input race) does that automatically make me (input race)?

@@Hlnodovik There is no proof that she was a redhead, on the contrary, as the ancient Greeks were more Mediterranean like than the modern ones: today's Greeks (at least those from the mainland) have a considerable Slavic admixture (30%) unlike the ancient ones.

You should have let them be :-)

Es wurden in dieser Zeit meistens Perücken getragen..wegen der Hygiene..wurden Köpfe kahl gehalten..

In this time did women wear a wig. as agyptian queen..the head was often without there hairs.

He is the Ringo of the group.

Cope shes Mediterranean Blue eyes arent common in Mediterranean region

@@david22723 First of all this was in ancient times. They’re not common now because of the moors which was after the Roman Empire. And she was from northern Greece.

@@david22723 Only northern Italians were not mixed with moors

@@samcaranol4102 actually Mediterraneans back in time had more Mediterranean Physical characteristics(curly dark hair/brown eyes/ white or brown skin colours)than now because that was before the invasion of Germanic tribes and the settlement of arabs turks celts slavs extra who aren't native to the region

@@samcaranol4102 Northern Italians are literally germanic people lol for most parts remains of Ostrogoths and lombards

Yes, but we don't really know what she looked like, although I have the ambition to somehow create a composite portrait of her.

@@panagiotisconstantinou True enough although the coin portraits are the safest bet

⁠@@panagiotisconstantinou coin portrait is probably 99% accurate, this bust is probably 99% not cleopatra real look.

What about Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa. Octavian would have been nothing without him. Could you do his portrait?

Τον Βασίλειο τον Α'; Το ζιγκολό; That'd be amazing!