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@stellarfirefly
@stellarfirefly 8 лет назад
So, when you decide to play an RPG, do you all roll a party full of healers? =D
@HeidiLongueuil
@HeidiLongueuil 8 лет назад
I love this comment. :)
@ShadowDrakken
@ShadowDrakken 8 лет назад
+stellarfirefly ba dum tsh
@MPythonGirl
@MPythonGirl 8 лет назад
+stellarfirefly I know in pathfinder there are a bunch of Archtypes that make other classes better at healing. The one time we had a Celestial Sorc, a Hospitaler Paladin, and a Healer Cleric... Yeah, we were set healwise.
@healthcaretriage
@healthcaretriage 8 лет назад
+stellarfirefly Hilarious.
@vrulg
@vrulg 8 лет назад
+stellarfirefly Since RPGs are partially about getting to pretend you are something you're not, I'd guess they actually have a much harder time than the average group getting someone to play the cleric (which is often already kind of hard).
@johnharvey5412
@johnharvey5412 8 лет назад
"Hopefully, HCT helps." Oh, it does. I see so many people spout off these ridiculous headlines, and this channel is an invaluable resource for dispelling the panic.
@kstormgeistgem461
@kstormgeistgem461 8 лет назад
+John Harvey I know that's why I always check in here whenever a new mess of "chicken Little" headlines come out. I have a heart condition, I can't afford to just randomly go up into the boughs over nothin' ya know. lol
@quadratichorizon
@quadratichorizon 8 лет назад
+John Harvey Fear sells, and people fear what they don't understand. It's not just medicine, it's science in general. Look at nuclear power. The year after the Fukushima disaster, people tried to convince me that the coolant leak was sterilizing the pacific ocean (the whole thing), and that Japan would turn into a nuclear wasteland in a decade.
@johnharvey5412
@johnharvey5412 8 лет назад
***** I'm sure that's a big part of it, but it's not just fear. The headlines tend to exaggerate the good news too. Heck, it looks like there are new cures for cancer and AIDS on a weekly basis, and we'll have unlimited free energy for our 3D-printed robot servants by the end of the decade. :P
@SWatchik
@SWatchik 8 лет назад
It's cells... from a mice... in a lab. Killed me, this is basically what I want to say to everyone who mentions some bunk studies miraculous findings.
@emilyborealis7549
@emilyborealis7549 8 лет назад
It's so hard to explain these concepts to people though. Even a few people on my college course (Biomedical Science) spurt all these things from newspapers and facebook! These are the people studying how a lot of these drugs work on a biochemical level!!
@PotionsMaster007
@PotionsMaster007 8 лет назад
Well the rate of biomed dropout is pretty high. Those people won't last very long :/ I mean in my biomed cohort we lost nearly a third between last year and this.
@emilyborealis7549
@emilyborealis7549 8 лет назад
+PotionsMaster007 Well we are in year 2 out of 4 and we still have a person who believes acidic diets cures cancer... I have no idea how he's passed everything so far haha
@GoldVixen
@GoldVixen 8 лет назад
+Snowflake Panda That just goes to show that a person can have book learning (knowledge) without intelligence (wisdom). I know a number of people like that, including one 'special' RU-vid commenter who firmly believes that a person can regularly abuse prescription drugs without being or getting addicted. *facepalm*
@PotionsMaster007
@PotionsMaster007 8 лет назад
Snowflake Panda that's quite sad. i once had the damn antibiotic resistance argument, and told my professor, and his response was 'you'll always have that argument'
@InorganicVegan
@InorganicVegan 8 лет назад
MAKE THIS A SERIES!!!
@aaecarro
@aaecarro 8 лет назад
+Diana, the Inorganic Vegan We really could...
@InorganicVegan
@InorganicVegan 8 лет назад
+Aaron Carroll DO IT! Please.
@vaibhavgupta20
@vaibhavgupta20 8 лет назад
+Aaron Carroll wow you read comments?
@starlinguk
@starlinguk 8 лет назад
Oh yes. And include the myths about how coconut oil and butter are good for you.
@syddlinden8966
@syddlinden8966 8 лет назад
+starlinguk Well, coconut oil isn't necessarily *bad for you. But I'll give you that many of the claims made about it are ludicrous. I'll believe it when they've actually studied it properly. Until then, I'll just enjoy how well it moisturizes my skin and smells wonderful doing it. (I don't use it in food because I use basically no oil/butter/whatever in cooking anyway.)
@SigmaMorrigan
@SigmaMorrigan 8 лет назад
As someone working in the healthcare space, you have perfectly hit on my BIGGEST pet peeve. Thank you for this fantastic show!
@RsDonuts
@RsDonuts 8 лет назад
And this is exactly why I'm subbed to this channel :)
@Lauph1tup
@Lauph1tup 8 лет назад
So Doctors and dungeons?
@RandomGuy666100
@RandomGuy666100 8 лет назад
+Lauph1tup ...That sounds like a name for an awkward porno. And yes, I should be more mature
@Alex-my6me
@Alex-my6me 8 лет назад
+Lauph1tup Dungeons & Diagnostics
@The_Lone_Aesir
@The_Lone_Aesir 8 лет назад
Thank you for this. What irritates me is often seeing a news article, or blog site posing as a news outlet, that cites a study that lay behind a pay wall.
@qbNone
@qbNone 8 лет назад
Love you guys. THANK YOU! A small shout of sanity against the gale of nonsense is still better than nothing. Pretty please do a HCT on the claimed benefits of Chiropractic treatments! I've been dying to know about the efficacy of chiropractic treatments since you did your earliest shows on supplements. I know you get enough hate mail already, but PLEASE take this on!
@alimon89
@alimon89 8 лет назад
I just had a rough day and THIS is what made me smile again. Thank you for doing your thing Dr. Carroll, Stan Muller, Mark Olsen, and Patreon supporters! :-)
@kristinalai26
@kristinalai26 8 лет назад
I would pay some serious money to get added in to this texting group. I love ridiculous news stories!
@CtrlShiftGo
@CtrlShiftGo 8 лет назад
I love the sass, keep it up HCT!
@gideontyler8410
@gideontyler8410 8 лет назад
You. Are. A. Hero. *rolls dice* And you scored a critical hit against the Headline Master! It turns to attack the populous! But your high wisdom and leadership prevent the foe from affecting the towns people!
@JaidenAlemni
@JaidenAlemni 8 лет назад
Thank you for this! It always drives me nuts when you see these crazy headlines. It is amazing how many times you see "x causes y!" citing sources that don't even remotely prove any sort of causation.
@mygoldentruth
@mygoldentruth 8 лет назад
I was thinking about this just earlier today. Whenever I see a headline about any kind of experiment, doesn't matter if it isn't health-related, I just think "how did they set up the experiment? What about its reproducibility?". It's pretty easy to read a headline and take it for granted, but we should start being more cautious. People get pretty freaky with health-related stuff sometimes (overall with these kind of 'not-so-true' medical researches, for some reason).
@thefirespectrum
@thefirespectrum 8 лет назад
A ton of people in my family are nurses and they share these kinds of bogus medical scare headlines all the time, in addition to anti-GMO, homeopathy B.S., etc. How widespread is this kind of misinformation among healthcare professionals? Are they pressured into pandering to the fears of patients?
@NoahTopper
@NoahTopper 8 лет назад
Okay, important question: what RPG(s) do you play and what kind of character(s) do you have?
@dwood2001
@dwood2001 8 лет назад
+Noah Topper This. (Mostly posting so that I can get email notifications in case of a reply :p)
@PatrickAllenNL
@PatrickAllenNL 8 лет назад
+Noah Topper he said BOARD games
@woobmonkey
@woobmonkey 8 лет назад
+Patrick Allen Right after saying MOSTLY role-playing games.
@alimon89
@alimon89 8 лет назад
+Noah Topper Yeeeeees! He needs to tell us!
@aaecarro
@aaecarro 8 лет назад
+Noah Topper We just finished a Numenara game. Before that, it was The Strange. Just started a Mutants and Masterminds game...
@iquemedia
@iquemedia 8 лет назад
Could you do an episode discussing geriatrics and end of life care?
@mikekuppen6256
@mikekuppen6256 8 лет назад
+Ique Possibly with attention to nutritional deficits. And pain medication.
@cheea5
@cheea5 8 лет назад
I love this channel. It would be amazing to be able to sit down and chat with Aaron, especially over board games.
@Matiburon04
@Matiburon04 8 лет назад
If you're such a good doctor then why did you get sick, huh. (just kidding I love the channel, please keep going).
@royeyal
@royeyal 8 лет назад
One of your best episodes, and they are all great - and that says something. More of this please!
@ericvilas
@ericvilas 8 лет назад
I remember one day someone showed me a newspaper article about a study regarding how kids who had ADHD were more likely to watch a lot of TV. A weird article, not sure how good the research was, but the real offender was the headline: "Kids hypnotized by TV: A new link between excessive watching and ADHD" So it was basically implying the reverse. This is why I hate clickbait headlines.
@MicroBlogganism
@MicroBlogganism 8 лет назад
And sadly university press releases are partly to blame for this problem of bad headline and news article :/
@MatthewMcKee
@MatthewMcKee 8 лет назад
This video is why I'm a Patron of this channel.
@MPythonGirl
@MPythonGirl 8 лет назад
Question: How to manage Chronic Pain, particularly occupational pain? I am particularly interested in wrist and back pain, but I know elbows, knees, and ankles are also common points. I've been trying to use google... and magnets are mentioned. I do not trust medical magnets unless they're reading the hydrogen nuclei in my brain. Anyway... using braces while working? Using fatter pencils? Finding alternate ways (like speech-to-text instead of typing)? Are there exercises? Postures? What makes it worse? What makes it better? Quite frankly you could probably do an entire mini-series, and I know people need it.
@cm3655
@cm3655 8 лет назад
Weight exercise. Go see a physiotherapist if you can't deal with it alone but exercising the muscles and joints work.
@borcsabba
@borcsabba 8 лет назад
Really good! Keep up the good work, we need information such as this to combat "headline-focused science"
@lahdeedah87
@lahdeedah87 8 лет назад
I always share this on my facebook. Hoping to educate a few of my friends and family about believing everything you read :P thanks for another great, informative video! :)
@Cyber_Striker
@Cyber_Striker 8 лет назад
I read a click bait article the other day that said that drinking bottled water causes cancer.... So thats something. The thing I need to survive will now kill me..
@Liv55555
@Liv55555 8 лет назад
This sort of thing really pisses me off. Last October, there was a front page headline in the Daily Telegraph that said something like "Cancer is due to coincidence, not environmental risk factors". It was referring to a January 2015 paper which I happened to have been examined on in May, and had roundly criticised, so it was a pretty insulting headline! (The paper used mathematical models of the rate of cell division in different tissues, and concluded that the incidence of cancer in different tissues was related to the rate of cell division in that tissue, and therefore environmental factors have a minimal impact, because the biggest cause of mutation in those tissues was cell division. However, it didn't look at breast or prostate cancer (the main cancer in AFAB and AMAB people, respectively) or lung or skin cancer (which have proven links with smoking and exposure to UV radiation, respectively), and it's also a pretty big leap to go from mathematical model of tissue cultures to proven fact with no human trials in the middle!)
@robmckennie4203
@robmckennie4203 8 лет назад
You couldn't have bumped up the gain on the dialog? The volume of the intro was perfect, but Aaron is too quiet :(
@jeremysaklad6703
@jeremysaklad6703 8 лет назад
When I was a high school freshman, I actually did a science fair experiment on the effects of high-potency sweeteners on blood glucose. While my data did show a large increase in glucose levels roughly thirty minutes after consumption, I obviously couldn't do a study large enough to be taken seriously on its own. I did find out that a long-time friend of my father had diabetes, something even he didn't know about.
@GodRoxMySox092
@GodRoxMySox092 8 лет назад
When people don't pay to view online content, you have to figure out how to get them to want to click on the article. That's where these headlines come from. Most people don't read articles (you know this if you've ever ventured deep into FB comments, and if you haven't, don't). So they see these headlines and run with it. I wish I had a solution (I don't, yet). There's no proof (yet) that clickbait negatively influences health literacy (or something to that effect) but I wouldn't be surprised if any relationship was found between the two. I'll get off my soapbox now....
@OrcboyPhil
@OrcboyPhil 8 лет назад
A general rule of thumb I use when it comes to the Daily Fail is to assume all articles are factual incorrect or at least missing some important detail.
@repker
@repker 8 лет назад
Ah this video gave me a good laugh at how misrepresentative news can be when it comes to scientific literature!
@dvklaveren
@dvklaveren 8 лет назад
I now have to wonder which system is the most satisfying on a statistics to narrative comparison.
@IsaacDavis69
@IsaacDavis69 8 лет назад
You're straight rippin Aaron. Get em.
@Whisprify
@Whisprify 8 лет назад
Please don't ever stop doing this show
@ttrev007
@ttrev007 8 лет назад
The depressed people alone might account for the increased risk of dementia. I seem to remember a increased risk of dementia in depressed people. Did they account for possibility that dementia could be caused by the depression and not the medication?
@TakeWalker
@TakeWalker 8 лет назад
What I'm getting from this is that numerous people don't trust you, think you don't know how to do your job and are champing at the bit to prove you wrong. That's pretty sad.
@ihavenomouthandimustmeme
@ihavenomouthandimustmeme 8 лет назад
No Healthcare Triage, you're not helping, at all! Thanks to you, I get into arguments with a sizable portion of my colleagues and professors all the time! They don't seem very happy about their ivory towers crumbling down.
@Clem20033
@Clem20033 8 лет назад
I can tell you why cold weather makes us sick and it has nothing to do withthe effect of cold on the viruses. My theory is that when its cold we keep all doors and windows closed, keeping all the viruses in and helping us share them, we also tend to stay inside where it's warm, with more poeple inside and no way to get the viruses out they get transmited from one person to another much quicker. Just my theory, I could be wrong!
@tatianatub
@tatianatub 8 лет назад
i did not expect dr carroll to be playing rpg games
@aaecarro
@aaecarro 8 лет назад
+ashley beaumont What? Love them. Board games with my kids is one of favorite things ever.
@firemermaid1980
@firemermaid1980 8 лет назад
+Aaron Carroll please tell me you play settlers of Catan. my family is crazy for it.
@timothyschelz
@timothyschelz 8 лет назад
I have to know all about your campaign! Are you the DM? What kind of character are you playing? What system are you using?
@JustOneAsbesto
@JustOneAsbesto 8 лет назад
5:06 Hey there, Dr. Jazz-hands.
@dragonarm99
@dragonarm99 8 лет назад
Who would have thought you're a pencil/paper gamer. Very nice. If you don't know already: tabletop hosted by will weaton is a good place to find new games
@adamsommers6480
@adamsommers6480 8 лет назад
Why do more people not watch you, this stuff is great!
@Sylvous765
@Sylvous765 8 лет назад
Dr. Aaron Carroll brings out all the stops this week by featuring his sexy husky voice while dispelling fear mongering news headlines. A dose of HCT every now and then can help increase rationality, reduce hysteria, and benefits your on hand knowledge!
@Azivegu
@Azivegu 8 лет назад
when people say things like: "it was reported on in the daily mail" they automatically lose points in my opinion. Come to me with a more creditable source please.
@MeowMeowDeathRay
@MeowMeowDeathRay 8 лет назад
+Azivegu And when u dig a just a little deeper into the source of these media outlets, it often is "according to a user on reddit warlord666..."
@Azivegu
@Azivegu 8 лет назад
PierreDolphin well, warlord666 usually does know his shit. If it was oOmanga69 then I would cal them out right away because he is always full of shit.
@Gothmummi
@Gothmummi 8 лет назад
"the daily mail ruined my day.." you really didn't need to elaborate. just hearing someone say " I read the daily mail earlier..." day. done.
@ezenart
@ezenart 8 лет назад
Do doctors get sick more often than people who are not doctors? I'd think so, since they spend extended periods of time surrounded by people who are sick. Always wondered...
@Niklas323
@Niklas323 8 лет назад
have you talked about studies on soy and phytoestrogen? I see a lot of people argue vehemently that soy causes cancer, but I have never seen any actual research that actually suggests that they're right (I also find it funny since most of these people have no problem with dairy, where there is evidence of increased cancer risk).
@cm3655
@cm3655 8 лет назад
I like his new voice... Sounds like the boss of Italian mafia
@paullemus3630
@paullemus3630 8 лет назад
He looks so done hahaha. I love this.
@aaecarro
@aaecarro 8 лет назад
+Paul Lemus I'm pretty sure I was spiking a fever WHILE WE WERE TAPING THIS
@AKlshulman
@AKlshulman 8 лет назад
From the NY Post: "Being a vegetarian could kill you, science warns" Spoiler alert - not actually what 'science' showed
@VirgilOvid
@VirgilOvid 8 лет назад
This same issue is creeping more and more into science reporting. A small, specific study is taken way out of context to mean something completely ridiculous. After a while IFLScience and its clones just became a cesspool of conclusions jumped to erroneously.
@Thunderwalker87
@Thunderwalker87 8 лет назад
Eight doctors get together and play online games together... I imagine its more or less like anyone else getting together to play except more intellectually stimulating. *tear in eye* I am envious already. Though you doctors don't have to share that would make for a fun youtube channel. "Eight Doctors Play...." "Malpractice this!" *blazing machine gun*
@amys3168
@amys3168 8 лет назад
My dr said that 40 yo cannot have the hpv vaccine. Nor the shingles or pneumonia vaccine. Please why?
@ZogDaMegnivizint
@ZogDaMegnivizint 8 лет назад
An entire episode about click-bait would be good if it could address even a millionth of the amount of nonsense that's out there, or if the nonsense was actually the problem. There's an old saying "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing". These days people have a lot of knowledge, and no context for any of it. Most people were educated in a system that prizes regurgitating information dictated by an authority uncritically. Is it really surprising that when a big important newspaper publishes something upsetting, people just believe the headline and don't go any deeper? I don't have time for fact checking, I have a lot of information to worry about over here!
@RainAngel111
@RainAngel111 8 лет назад
A facebook friend of mine keeps posting these articles about "new signs of stroke discovered, share this to save a life" What is that?
@Killadog1980
@Killadog1980 8 лет назад
can you do a video on the health effects of blowing your nose when you are highly congested, and whether or not you should ever blow your nose/how you should do it?
@trentbrigham3542
@trentbrigham3542 8 лет назад
Please do more videos about other countries healthcare systems
@Kram1032
@Kram1032 8 лет назад
Can you maybe record one of those gaming sessions? Could be fun :D
@PattyOs
@PattyOs 8 лет назад
Sir a recent article from PLOS ONE stated that gum disease can increases the effects of Alzheimer's, thoughts?
@MidwestMedic
@MidwestMedic 8 лет назад
Another excellent episode
@MeatPops
@MeatPops 8 лет назад
get well soon, doc!
@SkitHertz
@SkitHertz 8 лет назад
You guys need to follow Dr Carroll on twitter. It's pretty entertaining when he gets pissed at stuff. I can only imagine what a group text of doctors collectively channeling their inner Anger (of Inside Out) must be like. Nowadays I just resort to not giving a fuck when people question my decision of choosing a diet soda over a regular soda.
@iferlyf8172
@iferlyf8172 8 лет назад
Especially since they probably didn't control on genetics, past lifetsyle and alimentation, wich might also increase risk
@DJTyrrell
@DJTyrrell 8 лет назад
Excellent debunking video, Dr Carroll! So you've taken on the milk industrial complex already - how about homeopathy?
@catherinesmith9336
@catherinesmith9336 8 лет назад
GO GET THEM!!
@TheGalgut
@TheGalgut 8 лет назад
hey, am i right in thinking that hazard ratios can't be interpreted in the same way as a relative risk
@DammedMan.
@DammedMan. 8 лет назад
who would pay to watch that Roll Play.
@christophertrout5800
@christophertrout5800 7 лет назад
Intelligent discourse? I really like this channel, but with that as the premise, do you think it will last? I'm worried that green tea extract videos will collect more likes even though, you have evidence.... Please keep writing these. I'm smarter for you doing it. -a big fan
@CameronNicholls1917
@CameronNicholls1917 8 лет назад
YEAH!!!!! Roleplaying games!
@CameronNicholls1917
@CameronNicholls1917 8 лет назад
Great video btw, learned a lot :).
@kevinbooth-
@kevinbooth- 8 лет назад
Absence of evidence.... Not evidence of absence. I have always disliked sweeteners and have since discovered they literally make my life shitty. I doubt they are safe for prolonged use...
@alyssa.....
@alyssa..... 8 лет назад
Thanks, this was a very satisfying video!
@mastring1966
@mastring1966 8 лет назад
wait, you mean that tiny studies that don't relate to the actual group of people the study it's aimed at and lab mice results don't equal the same as massive double blind studies that use the affected groups that they claim to be studying? I'm shocked, shocked I say. That implies the press is fishing for a specific outcome and selects whatever looks like it might mostly fit into the tiny box they've already written a story around...you know, with some heavy editing of course.
@Kai3Music
@Kai3Music 8 лет назад
Does this mean that if I were a horrible person, I could email you every stupid sensationalist headline related to medicine that my friends share with me on Facebook so that your day can be just as miserable as mine? :D
@elliottmcollins
@elliottmcollins 8 лет назад
HCT does indeed help.
@DynamixWarePro
@DynamixWarePro 8 лет назад
This should really be a series, all too often reports come up like these. While you mention this topic, what about this "Sleeping too much could cause you to go blind": www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/sleeping-much-could-cause-you-7538237#r3z-addoor or this one, linked in the same article "Carbohydrates could cause lung cancer": www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/carbohydrates-could-cause-lung-cancer-7523498 Are there any truths to these? Or should we treat these like the ones mentioned in this video?
@burgerbastard4741
@burgerbastard4741 8 лет назад
Wow, that like/dislike ratio though.
@BobbiBowman
@BobbiBowman 6 лет назад
What I can't understand is why many of these same headlines that you rail against (rightfully so) are featured in the Well section of the New York Times! So you write for the Times often and yet they are promoting the same flawed studies you are debunking. I am a NYTimes subscriber but I am often (very often) upset by the poor quality of the health articles and regular writers in this paper. Any way you could say what you make of this obvious conflict???? (I've tried commenting on some of these bogus articles but it doesn't do any good so I try hard not to read that section any more but it makes me question whether the rest of that publication is as reliable as I've imagined it to be.)
@StefanTravis
@StefanTravis 8 лет назад
Avoid Ripoffs And Junk Science WIth This One Weird Trick!
@AlanmanAaron
@AlanmanAaron 8 лет назад
I see what you did with the title
@sannh
@sannh 8 лет назад
If his leg was broken why wasn't he in pain?
@sargeantsimon1
@sargeantsimon1 8 лет назад
+Sarah H Because jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
@kateajurors8640
@kateajurors8640 4 года назад
How to become a lawyer in just do all these companies every time they make a headline like this. There are lawyers that literally just sit out there and wait for something to come along so that way they can sue. They are doing their job their upholding legalities and rights for certain things and the certain class of the law that they know I wouldn't expect anyone with today's complicated systems to know or be an expert on anything legally
@IkomaTanomori
@IkomaTanomori 8 лет назад
I think you'd be awesome to game with.
@aaecarro
@aaecarro 8 лет назад
+IkomaTanomori For some reason, my characters are rarely trustworthy...
@IkomaTanomori
@IkomaTanomori 8 лет назад
What's said in character stays in character. ;)
@bills-beard
@bills-beard 7 лет назад
oooooh man do i love when professionals debunk clickbait headlines based on shitty studies
@zanecorbiere5751
@zanecorbiere5751 8 лет назад
What's the HCT email?
@nolanthiessen1073
@nolanthiessen1073 8 лет назад
+Zane Corbiere All of their Twitter usernames are in the video description. Additionally, Aaron's email should be found on the Incidental Economist website. Or you can search around the HCTriage subreddit for their username there.
@sarahbarbary3366
@sarahbarbary3366 8 лет назад
If the only message you were trying to bring across was to not always believe clickbait articles, then this was a good video. However, you are clearly discrediting fundamental and important research that have yielded interesting and important results, especially that of the Nature paper, which was a well designed study. Discrediting research hurts the medical profession as well - everything doctors know comes from scientists in one way or another. I'd encourage viewers to actually take the time to review these manuscripts and understand for themselves that while they may not definitively prove what some layman journalist on the Dailymail said, they are significant.
@IncandescentFlame
@IncandescentFlame 8 лет назад
RIP headphones users.
@bsrubel
@bsrubel 8 лет назад
Holy! First!
@adrianvandervaart9891
@adrianvandervaart9891 8 лет назад
get rekt
@TheGreenMonkey33
@TheGreenMonkey33 8 лет назад
1st?
@dvklaveren
@dvklaveren 8 лет назад
I now have to wonder which system is the most satisfying on a statistics to narrative comparison.
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