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Cliff Burton rhythm bass tone comparison - 1984 VS 1986 (cover: read the description) 

Marijan Barać
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These are my reproductions of the classic Cliff tones from the two grand Metallica albums/eras.
Allow for some tonal differences due to recording process, however, rest assured it sounds identical to the man himself, in person. I've only used Samsung Galaxy Note 8 to record these samples and as you know, phone mic can't truly capture every nuance and depth of the sound blaring from the amplifier. I do believe these samples are simmilar enough, you will be able to recognise the sounds I've done my best effort to emulate. These will be the sounds I will use in covers to follow. (and MOP tone was already used in two of my videos).
Which tone do You prefer?
I did not reproduce Kill em All, 83 tone here as it's the same as a clean bass on RTL, but with a couple of months older, duller strings.
That being said, I've wanted to show how simmilar the two albums are tonally. They are in the same ballpark; overdriven, mid heavy, thunder like, growling, dynamic bass tones. The main difference is in the foundation of the sound, due choice of bass that was used for each album/era.
Twangy, slightly hollow sound of a heavily modified Rickenbacker VS tight, focused, clangy Aria Pro II punch. Most Cliff tone chasers focus too much on the pedals, but the bass of choice has a LOT to do with it and can be replicated with more than one bass, as long as they have simmilar sound quality(like my Embassy here used in place of a modified Rick).
Gear used:
For the RTL(1984) tone I have used '63 reissue Epiphone Embassy PRO Sparkling Burgundy bass, loaded with a ProBucker 760 vintage humbucking pickups. Predominantly bridge pickup with a dash of a neck pickup to add a bit more bottom. Cliff's Rick had humbucking "hot stack" Jazz pickup in the bridge position, made by Seymour Duncan which is basically a beefier version of a classic Jazz bass single coil tone, not unlike my own bridge ProBucker. The bridge pickup seems to be the dominant feature of this tone. In the neck position he had notorious low end king, Gibson Sidewinder "Mudbucker" pickup, which seems to have been used just for an improved bottom end. Tonally we are in the same ballpark here. Overdrive source is the regular, guitar Tube Screamer(not pictured here), for the lighter more fluid sound.
For the MOP(1986) tone I have used an all original 1982 Aria Pro II SB-600 in a rare, black finish for that model. Loaded with an MB-II humbucking pickup in "dual coil" mode.
(There is some confusion in old Aria Matsumoko catalogues, some listing one pickup model MB-1E usually found on SB1000, some other MB-II, for the SB600...it is very possible there is a typo, meaning MB-1 some older SB600 basses had, depending on the year, but my model is already rare for a 1982 SB600 standard production and there is a lack of info....big thanks to mr Leon Lundqvist for pointing that out!
EDIT: After discussion with an Aria expert, mr Davor Maričić, we have come to conclusion it is in fact an MB-II pickup in my SB600, just like in Elite and Black n Gold 1, while MB-1E is strictly reserved for an active SB1000)
Therefore this bass is tonally exactly the same as Cliff's prefered Aria Black n Gold. Overdrive of choice was an Ibanez TS9B aka Bass Tube Screamer, allowing for the more bottom end and punch than the guitar verson.
Hope You will enjoy! I have really done the best I possibly could to capture these sounds. \m/

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@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
IMPORTANT: Regarding the bass differences. Even when plugged into a guitar TS9, Aria Bass still sounds like Master of Puppets...it doesnt magically turn into Ride tone...it only lacks some low end(unless you do what Cliff did and bi-amp, providing a clean blend from another amp or some line selector pedal)...that being said any Tube Screamerish circuit(TS808, TS9, TS9DX, TS-Mini, Joyo, Bad Monkey, YourRandomGreenOverdrive...) will be suitable for both tones pretty much...but the bass choice is what changes the entire sound...with a Precision bass for example, it sounds like neither albums and is more in the Geezer Butler Master of Reality territory... Also, once and for all, SETTINGS ARE PERSONAL MATTER AND WILL DEPEND ON MANY FACTORS including: bass, amp, pedals, string height, pickups, output signal, technique, players own ears and even different room.....so they cant be replicated unless all/major parts of the chain are exactly the same as mine.....as previously stated, due to some dumb people calling me an imposter and a liar, after asking me to give them my settings...which i did and even took photos of my own settings and equipment...after which they didnt get a desired tone and started calling me out i no longer respond to 'settings pls' Every other more specific question about the tone, gear choices, advices and overall downright help to push you into the right direction, will be greatly discussed as many know. Hope You understand!
@YourLocalLeadBassist
@YourLocalLeadBassist 3 месяца назад
Hey man I was thinking you should make an in-depth guide of cliff's rhythm tone, and how to get close to it even with cheap gear, with eq, pedal settings, etc.
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 2 месяца назад
​@@YourLocalLeadBassistif i only had more time...i would probably have much bigger and elaborate channel...but its what it is..i share some progress here and there and have given so much info all across youtube, talkbass, facebook, literally everywhere Cliff is mentioned you can find me as well, most likely lol But thanks man, always good to see you around! If i ever manage to get this shit straight, at some point, i might as well do something like that \m/
@YourLocalLeadBassist
@YourLocalLeadBassist 2 месяца назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone Hey its alright, we get it. Thanks for still uploading. And if its any help to you I have a Cliff Burton Pedals & Gear thread on Talkbass if its of any use. It talks about since when cliff joined metallica up until his death. It may not be the perfect list, but its as good as I could find!!
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 2 месяца назад
@@YourLocalLeadBassist feel free to share the link man :D
@TimmyTicklson
@TimmyTicklson 5 месяцев назад
Im back lol and once again, simply outstanding, its almost as of i just listened to the isolated bass track cliff recorded. Keep digging into that bass and cliff em' all 🎸
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 5 месяцев назад
Thank You mate!!! I did what i could to capture the tone with my cellphone...in person its dead on to studio tracks
@SmoothCriminal69
@SmoothCriminal69 8 месяцев назад
Amazing as always & the tones are spot-on! Keep up the great work!
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
Thanks Michael!!! :D good to see you around again!
@IanTaylor-np7xy
@IanTaylor-np7xy 8 месяцев назад
Amazing work again i wish you could make more videos
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
Thanks man, yeah it requires equipment and free time...and im kinda low on both haha but i keep the channel alive at least...i dont consider myself a youtuber to begin with, just sharing what i've come up with since you guys react so nicely to it
@matthewj3892
@matthewj3892 8 месяцев назад
Dude that Master of Puppets tone is insanely spot on.
@matthewj3892
@matthewj3892 8 месяцев назад
By the way I’ve been off RU-vid because of some health issues but I saw your very generous and lengthy reply regarding Cliff’s wah in the other video and I will respond to that soon!
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
@@matthewj3892 thank You so much, yeah well 86 tone rhythm and lead was my ultimate dream and i finally got it so i am enjoying it a lot lately. And i hope you feel better now, dont worry ;)
@matthewj3892
@matthewj3892 8 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone Thanks brotha, you're killing it. If you ever come to Los Angeles let me know, I play guitar and have recently been working on recording some heavy tracks in the studio. A bass player like you to play some Metallica songs with and maybe some originals would be awesome. There aren't enough bass players out here that I've seen that have that kind of passion.
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
@@matthewj3892 would love to my man...plus i'm an all arounder really...youtube knows me as a cliff tone keeper...but i play everything from classical music to motown, disco, funk, rock, even some pop or house, punk, metal you name it lol...all those years beating on a Precision bass made me develop many techniques in order to emulate certain tones(a p bass is a one trick pony) :) it would be great to play with ya \m/
@matthewj3892
@matthewj3892 7 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone Love to hear that, that's great. If you like a P Bass I'm sure you've gotten your fix playing many Geezer Butler lines, him and Cliff are up there for me regarding Bass players... also JPJ. I personally know Mickey Stevenson from Motown, and he had a close relationship with James Jamerson which I'm sure you know of. Do you ever come to Los Angeles?
@LeonLundqvist
@LeonLundqvist 8 месяцев назад
Awesome video as always! I didn’t know your SB-600 had an MB-II installed. I always thought they were installed with MB-1E's unless I’m in the wrong
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
I have made a mistake! Thank You i will correct it now, its either an MB-1E or MB-II (1981 series from 600 to 1000 all had that same pickup...only 1000 had an active preamp as well) Now there seems to be quite a confusion about the two pickups...there is another catalogue i have seen(not sure which year) which states its an MB-II in an SB600...they are very simmilar anyways...the tone will be almost identical...Mine is a 1982 rare black one...stock ones were padouk, oak and gold...and i have no idea where to find a correct info
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
That being said...Aria catalogues are confusing...some have written MB1E some have MBII both at the SB600...so i cant be sure which it is...and i doubt there is a way to confirm it for certain :/
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
I've mentioned you in the description, thanks once more!
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
I've sent you some photos via messenger
@LeonLundqvist
@LeonLundqvist 8 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsToneThank you so much my friend! It’s always an honor to help!
@merciless2032
@merciless2032 4 месяца назад
Oh my god that Aria sounds insane. By the way, Cliff got his overdrive from a tube amp in MoP right? With the mixed clean tone ofc. Did you use the TS9 in the second part too? It's sounds really spot on
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 4 месяца назад
That is something i am still trying to prove...its either drive from Mesa D180 or TS9 with a clean blend...i hope to find out soon enough(i may have found someone to demonstrate D180 for me once they fix the broken fuse)...i used guitar TS808 clone with Epiphone Embassy for Ride clip(later on I got my own guitar TS9 and it works just as well, slightly better even, more balanced sound to my ears and more responsive to dynamics) and Aria with TS9B(Bass Tube Screamer, my favourite pedal EVER to exist and the only one that nailed MoP tone...any difference in this clip is because i record with an old Samsung phone lol so it cant capture the full depth of sound) P.S. always read the description, I usually write my ass off to explain what i did ;) Thank You very much btw i really appreciate it
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 4 месяца назад
If i use regular guitar TS9 with Aria it still has the MoP flavour...but of course it cuts off the low end punch and clarity...but with some sort of clean blend it would work too(with some line selector pedal or something...or two amps one clean one dirty) But as i said, there is TS9B bass version which has the clean feature already, combined with Aria does it perfectly \m/
@merciless2032
@merciless2032 4 месяца назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone ah alright, thank you for the indepth answer brother!
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 4 месяца назад
@@merciless2032 pleasure! Hope it helps
@jose97777
@jose97777 8 месяцев назад
this literally sounds like the isolated cliff burton tracks. i’ve tried to get my tone to be like cliffs but it’s still not perfect. i have a 70s power wah and ts9 but it still doesn’t sound right
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
Thanks man!!!! Which bass do you use? ;) thats the point of this video
@jose97777
@jose97777 8 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTonei have an ibanez sr300
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
@@jose97777 try to use more of a bridge pickup with just a touch of neck...or just bridge pickup(but play with control on bass to add enough low end for your taste, i believe your bass is active right? So you have on board preamp) i have lowered the tone control on the ts9 to about 9 o clock and drive to about 10(you might need less if your bass has higher output)...also you can boost treble and bass on the amp and cut a bit of mids...but again if your bass is active you can try with those controls first for the bridge pickup only.... and go bass>wah>ts9...if your wah doesnt have a boost, get a compressor, like i do, or a booster to push the front end of the wah for solos...add delay for echo stuff for solos too, it really gives the right vibe :) hope it helps
@jose97777
@jose97777 8 месяцев назад
⁠​⁠@@KeeperOfCliffsTonethank you i’ve been watching your videos for years and i really love your tone. i’m not really good with the technical stuff so thank you for the help. my ts9 sounds too fuzzy so im going to try your settings and see if that helps. i do have a compressor but i dont have the cord to connect it to my other pedals but thank you for the help
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
@@jose97777 lower the treble a bit on your amp and tone on the pedal, that can help make it less fizzy...and less drive...dont worry man i will always help as much as i can...and thank You for kind words!
@Farewelltokingz
@Farewelltokingz 6 месяцев назад
I get a pretty sweet Cliff MOP tone with a Wren and Cuff Pickle Pie. If you want to hear it then I can try to make a video.
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 6 месяцев назад
Sure thing!!!
@Farewelltokingz
@Farewelltokingz 6 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone I’ve got a video up now, they made it into a short format 😭😭😭 but everything is in the description.
@janne9002
@janne9002 7 месяцев назад
i feel like if Cliff is playing on my side wtf the tone is the sameeee
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
Thank You very much!!!!
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
Feel free to check out my older videos too...i've played plenty of Cliff's solos as well
@davidsimic5870
@davidsimic5870 8 месяцев назад
Brutalno 🤘
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
Tenksara ;) \m/
@Ryan-hi1hl
@Ryan-hi1hl 7 месяцев назад
I think that if you used old and almost dirty strings for the master of puppets tones it would get closer
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
Absolutely...i had to change them tho...these are only two weeks old or so...i like it a bit clangier tho...cuts through the mix better...i am not chasing to sound exactly...i mean what "exact" means...every song had a slightly adjusted tone on every album lol...i made an all arounder sound which works well in all songs(like he did for live shows)...you can always add more or less treble, more or less drive etc...its up to taste...same tone many little variations ;)
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
Not to mention recording with a phone(even tho this was captured pretty well) changes certain frequencies that i hear in real life
@Ryan-hi1hl
@Ryan-hi1hl 7 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone it still sounds amazing just trying to see if you knew about it and yes phone audio is so different.
@xgassgt4154
@xgassgt4154 7 месяцев назад
i really need to get myself an aria pro to copy his tone but im still too bad to be even owning a better bass xD
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
Took me 15+ years to get one hahah there are cheaper bolt on models tho...but still somewhat hard to find (at least where i live)...maybe one day man! I never thought i'd be able to but here it is and i love it
@xgassgt4154
@xgassgt4154 7 месяцев назад
my problem mostly is I NEED THEM LEFTHANDED. they are barely sold for lefthanded people which is the annoying part xD@@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@xgassgt4154
@xgassgt4154 7 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone its amazing, sadly im lefthanded and its harder to find such a bass for lefties xD
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
@@xgassgt4154 true :/
@serdarjoze3471
@serdarjoze3471 8 месяцев назад
Ride The Lightning all the way. I don't say i dislike MOP but that bass tone in RTL... I get a feeling like im in Call of Cthulhu, im in Antarctica making a research for the ancient creatures or something like that. In MOP i get emotional and it has a different a special place. Still you got the tones PRETTY DAMN GOOD. KEEP EM COMIN BRO. \m/
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
I understand what you say...Ride has (as a whole album) a unique thunder quality...mix of James' guitar and Cliffs bass....there is something about Tube Screamer innit haha whole band used it for that sound(except lars i hope hhaha)....I prefer MOP bass tone tho...bigger thunder :) \m/
@discoreposession
@discoreposession 7 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTonethe rtl tone feels so frosty
@hirvo6899
@hirvo6899 7 месяцев назад
Holy shit man master of puppets literally sounds exactly like the isolated bass track 😮😮 great work!
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
Thank You!!!!!
@ginge5018
@ginge5018 7 месяцев назад
sorry bro I ain't readin allat
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
Noone forces you ;) however i dont have to reply to every gear related question(if i already wrote it down in the description) and i do get 10000 questions
@Joemcncheese
@Joemcncheese 8 месяцев назад
How on earth do you do that fill at 0:39?? Also great tone ive been trying to get that tone for years and I cant get it right
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
With a lot of trouble hahah Cliff even managed to pull it off with double notes...i can do it once in a while lol it reminds me of a bass fill in 'All right now' by the band Free, on steroids....you jump from the low section to the upper range of the fretboard for the arpeggio chord then back down...as for the tone, get a bass with a bridge pickup(ordinary jazz bass should do it most likely as well...with a bit more hum probably as mine and cliffs were humbucking) use either a full bridge or a bit of neck if you lack some bottom for your taste...and get yourself a regular guitar TS9...clean amp...and you'll get it instantly...TS9 only has three knobs one of which is volume lol so it should be pretty easy to dial in...TS9 gives a characteristic mid heavy tone and proper drive, so just cut mids on the amp a bit not to sound too honky and boost bass to get more bottom as TS9 will cut a lot of it ;) hope it helps
@Antman-mv2xs
@Antman-mv2xs 4 месяца назад
Wow this is so good! Check out my recent post! I finally oiled my wah pedal so it’s smooth lol
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 4 месяца назад
Thanks mate!!!!
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 4 месяца назад
You played really well! I know the feel of the squeely wah haha so i know how much of a relief it is when it no longer does it
@Antman-mv2xs
@Antman-mv2xs 4 месяца назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone Thx!
@axgunner6060
@axgunner6060 24 дня назад
If you remove the capacitor from the aria it will sound way brighter more like his Rick
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 24 дня назад
@@axgunner6060 thanks for the tip, cool info, but i dont want to...i really like it the way it is...i also have a 'bright/deep' switch(using deep for cliff master tone) bright sounds more like stingray
@axgunner6060
@axgunner6060 24 дня назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone I got the same model it was just to muffled and doing pops sounded like they had all high end cut off felt more easy just using a eq to reverse it when needed
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 24 дня назад
@@axgunner6060 dont know...it seems to work pretty damn good in my case...it really depends on the amp and other stuff in the chain as well...aria is not boomiest low bass to begin with, and has a lot of midrange growl and in my case just enough bite with my eq settings...i never felt as if i need more treble than i have
@actualogy
@actualogy 6 месяцев назад
Sweet playing bro. I've got couple of new videos uploaded showcasing some playing If you haven't seen them already with more that I'm working on with some better recording equipment. For now my videos have been recorded with my phone camera and mic but soon that should change.
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 6 месяцев назад
Hey man, I've just seen Anesthesia cover of yours...very nice rendition of the studio piece...wish you added wah tho but i know, sometimes its plug and play...good job! PS what did you use for distortion?
@bradkneale7580
@bradkneale7580 8 месяцев назад
Ride the lightning 100 percent , the overdriven sound is just way more evil sounding
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
Master is overdriven too ;) but a bit lighter on gain...thanks for comment!
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
I prefer master tone but i love ride album more :D
@bradkneale7580
@bradkneale7580 8 месяцев назад
yeah puppets almost sounds like a blend of clean and drive (probally isnt ) but ride the lightning just growls alot more to me ;)@@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
@@bradkneale7580 but it is! Haha good ear!
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
@@bradkneale7580 cliff had two mesa amps, one could be entirely clean an another driven and i have TS9B which has mix knob to let some of the clean signal through...and less drive to begin with so it only starts to growl when you really dig in coming out of the clean tone
@bringobrongo
@bringobrongo 8 месяцев назад
The TS9B rocks, that's what I use with my Aria Pro II SB R60! Thinking about getting an Epiphone Newport, that has the mudbucker style in the neck position but the bridge pickup is the same (I think? Same style at least) as the one on the Embassy.
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
You do??? Awesome! I already thought im the only one who uses TS9B haha, almost contacted Ibanez to make it 'Barach signature pedal' LOL its my fav OD to date and has a sealed spot on my board(it's the only closest pedal to Cliff's overdrive from 1986 i've ever encountered...not just sound, but character, fadeout, sizzling, touch sensitivity, mid hump and overall response) As for Newport, yeah that one screams "Cliff Rick"....the bridge pickup seems to be the same as embassy(thats a good thing as its the key to this tone) looks like it, however they labeled it TB PRO instead of ProBucker 760 so i dont know if they are exactly the same or not...either way it should do that 'hot stack jazz' thing just right....mudbucker again cliffy...seems like the same configuration...spacing seems right too...and i am positive that bass can do this sound VERY well...but some people online complained about pickups not being in phase or something, so with both pickups together in a full blend, the result is, namely, somewhat underwelming...either way Newport seems to still be available in see through cherry and white pickguard...which is what i wanted...embassy is no longer found in that colour so i took the sparkling burgundy with black....the reason why i decided to take embassy is: Newport has a bigger lower 'horn' which blocks the upper frets necessary for a lot of cliff solo stuff...and thats what turned me off...plus embassy seemed to be able to get wider range of tones...neck probucker is like a thicker precision...both together give that stock rick 4003(modern, both pickups together) classic clangy sound(maybe a bit woolier and warmer, can be dialed in with eq settings either way)...bridge soloed or with a bit of neck gave me Cliff kill em all sound(with ts9 its ride sound, like here) and bridge when playing directly on top of the pickup, tone rolled off slightly gives you that jaco pastorius honk....so an all arounder Still sad they didnt make those upper frets more acessible because, while i love embassy versatility and i would have hard time replacing it...i bought it for cliff tone in the first place...and looks and specs wise, newport seems to be closest to stock bass you can find to Cliff's modded rick :/
@bringobrongo
@bringobrongo 7 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone Oh, I can definitely see what you mean by that horn blocking the upper frets. Shame that such a neat bass has a glaring problem like that, at least for people like us who play a certain style. And yeah, the TS9B is a monster and certainly slept on by the online bass community. Really, my favorite tones have just been a compressor, TS9B, and a Sansamp DI. I have been looking into getting an Alembic Spoiler, not just because of Cliff or Ride the Lightning, but because they seem to be really neat instruments. Unfortunately they are incredibly expensive and I doubt I will ever be able to justify that price for myself lol. It sounds more similar to the Aria than the Rick tonewise. I'm pretty sure his Spoiler is what was stolen in the event that led to the writing of Fade to Black. Jason Newsted also played some Alembic basses; if you want to check out their sound, Safe Haven Music has a great video about specifically a 1983 Alembic Spoiler.
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
@@bringobrongo absolutely, for both TS9B and problem with Newport...Alembic was stolen later, early in 85...he only used it briefly during that period...it was a second theft way after the recording sessions...not sure what he suffered in the first theft other than a few pedals...Alembics are killer yeah...they have the clangy punch with both pickups, and they also have a honky bridge suitable for ride tone....kinda in between aria and rick...simmilar to my embassy tone wise actually but hotter(active)
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
@@bringobrongo i have just watched the alembic demo you mentioned...he didnt showcase bridge pickup tho...check this intro...he goes quickly through all three...thats exactly the tones my embassy produces(but of course alembic has more tone shaping options and gets a bit brighter and has a hotter output...altough...i gotta say...my embassy has quite the power...even too much for my taste...way hotter than my other two basses)...i can make a little demo for you if you want(if you have facebook my name is same as here on youtube...) its really fairly priced and interesting bass...here is alembic demo: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3YAyBr2ghI8.htmlsi=SJc2RHSNGyhRUUTp
@Poulouu
@Poulouu 8 месяцев назад
Hey man Can you tell me for the knob of the RTL pls ??
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
Like i said many times, settings will vary a lot with different equipment, different attack, different string height, even different room. Every time i changed something i had to rearrange the settings. However you can try this. Bass bridge pickup(add neck to the taste for more bottom end). TS9 drive at about 10 o clock(more or less to taste), tone at about 9 o clock(more or less to taste) and volume to match your overall clean volume(to taste)...on the amp boost the bass and treble...add mids untill you get enough 'clarity' without sounding honky...as you can see its all very 'up to taste' but i hope these are useful enough guidelines(as stated many times before, i never respond to settings questions anymore due to many reasons, including people copying my settings to no avail and calling me a liar...and they have entriely different equipment and therefore different sound came out) But what do i do with ya, ey! ;)
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
Best advice i can give you is, get the right equipment(not necessarily exactly what cliff had but something with simmilar sounds, inspired by...as you can see i pretty much have all the modern versions of stuff he had...only aria bass is old) and use your ears and tweak around...experiment...thats what cliff did....thats what i do...i mean i've been 10+ years on a chase for this sound until i finally achieved it...there is no 'one way to do it' nor any universal 'setting' as they will vary a lot depending on a lot of factors...Cliff's tone varied a lot too...he experimented and changed :)
@Poulouu
@Poulouu 7 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone Yes i try a lot of variant but i know you're a reference 😃! And i have kind of same Gear so i take exemple but i change some things and i agree with you the people that only copy and try to innovate themself are annoying asf 😒
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
@@Poulouu thats true...you know, some people dont understand that even if cliff himself gave them his settings it would not necessarily turn out to be the same sound with their equipment lol....btw what your signal chain looks like? What bass amp and pedals do you have?
@Poulouu
@Poulouu 7 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone I have a lot of cheap variant because i dont really have the money for ,but for me they're better Aria tsb350 Vintage overdrive Harley Benton (this is the closest for me) Morley power wah fuzz I had an pi fuzz but its broken Into an Ibanez hd1500 rack And a cheap Harley Benton amp
@marcoballa
@marcoballa 8 месяцев назад
Love the Aria sound 👍
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 8 месяцев назад
My favourite bass tone ever....its a highly professional sound...tight...sits in just about any mix...and outshines every other bass for this 'oldschool' metal tone
@xgassgt4154
@xgassgt4154 7 месяцев назад
question, which fuzz pedal is that?
@Farewelltokingz
@Farewelltokingz 6 месяцев назад
Ibanez TS9B
@TheBigShow999
@TheBigShow999 7 месяцев назад
So, RTL was recorded with the Rick?
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
Absolutely
@TheBigShow999
@TheBigShow999 7 месяцев назад
@marijanbarac1216 Oh, that's awesome, man. This question has been bugging me out for a bit, so I'm glad I got an answer.
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
@@TheBigShow999 yup, to back it up, so you can rest assured...it was the rick with modified pickups(strat pickup in the mute cavity was out, even before kill em all due to interference problems, mudbucker in the neck position and seymour duncan hot stack jazz in the bridge position, replaced the stock rick pickups)...he didnt own any other bass at the time...he got alembic late in 84, Ride album was already out and touring...then it was stolen after only month or two i forgot now(but i kept track of when it first showed up, i believe december of 84 or november....and when it was stolen...sometime early in 85) and then the Aria arrived shortly after in early 85....that being said...rick was retired due to some malufactions in 84 but was repaired and used as a second bass on the damage tour 86 in D tuning for "Thing that should not be" so there ya have it :) that and the sound i heared(clean) from people who own an exact cliffenbacker replica matches the tone i get with embassy bridge pickup(and a bit of neck if necessary for a bit more low end)...and it translates to what you heared here^....also aria with ts9(even with guitar version) still sounds unmistakeably "puppets" even if you could make it sound somewhat correct, the foundational character of the Aria remains the same(missing that slightly hollow twangy honky feel his modded rick had)....alembic could get the same tone(same pickup configuration as my embassy, two humbuckers in same positions) but he didnt have one back in the day when ride was recorded
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
@@TheBigShow999 besides you can see Cliff using rick in 84 when they toured europe(there is a clip of him on stage with james in Paris 1984 La Bourget airport) and many photos floating around...but listening to those gigs around the time, rick clearly had some problems as it sounded really bad lol...so he got unlucky with alembic as well haha but he settled with aria and it turned out my fav tone of his anyway...he expressed the same back in the day(favouring Aria over the first two...and said he was happy with Alembic too)
@TheBigShow999
@TheBigShow999 7 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone and Cliff also had two Arias, right?
@xgassgt4154
@xgassgt4154 7 месяцев назад
question, which morley pedal is that?
@Farewelltokingz
@Farewelltokingz 6 месяцев назад
Morley Dual Bass wah from the early 2010s.
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 5 месяцев назад
I can see people responded to you, but please whenever you wonder about something, first check out the description...i write my ass off every time to avoid unnecessary questions that i know everyone will ask...so just check there first...if i did not state something, feel free to ask :)
@cruzwheelchair263
@cruzwheelchair263 7 месяцев назад
hey marijan how you doing haven't talked in a while, but i have a question do you ever use gain from your ampeg cab and head?
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
Hey mate! Its fine over here, you? No i dont, the entire overdrive/distortion spectrum you hear in any of my recent videos come from my beloved Bass Tube Screamer 'clean boosted' for solo sections to push it into further saturation(other than Ride sample here which is a guitar tube screamer borrowed for this video to stay true to less bottom heavy tone of that album...Master sample is again TS9B) and in the old videos there were some fuzzes etc but the amp was always clean
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
Gain is set to give a strong healthy signal that is...but no clipping ever occurs from the amp itself
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
Hope you dig the tones here...i really did the best i could with phone placement to try and capture them closest to what i hear in person(as i really dont have the proper recording equipment so the old Samsung Note 8 has quite a task to achieve lol)
@KeeperOfCliffsTone
@KeeperOfCliffsTone 7 месяцев назад
You will notice that i've showcased clean tones here as well...intro to Fight Fire and then i turn on the guitar TS...and in the Master sample i turn off the bass TS in the last run before the very few outro notes(i noticed Cliff did it in the isolated bass track outro as well so i recreated it here...but i doubt anyone noticed in both mine or Cliff's tracks lol) so you can hear the clean foundation for both tones here...same goes for my lead tone...TS9B is always on...i just turn on the compressor and wah boosting te Screamer into more saturation
@cruzwheelchair263
@cruzwheelchair263 6 месяцев назад
@@KeeperOfCliffsTone im doing quite well its warming up here, but have you tried using the gain on the ampeg mini cab and head cause i see theres gain but i cant tell if its boost but your saying fuzz like from the morley wah or something else?
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