I can absolutely confirm the Preorder business will be coming to Gamefound, along with the associated plaform changes to accomadate. I'd have to look at the language to double check if that's in the exclusivity or not but I believe it is.
Kickstarter hasn't innovated or made quality of life improvements in years. It's a stagnant platform. They allowed companies to violate their policy, which hurt consumers. They have knowingly allowed scam campaigns and done nothing because they get their money. Kickstarter has done this to themselves.
I don't see GF innovate either. They can't even have ongoing campaigns featured on their front page without it being bloated with late pledges. Stable pledge isn't going to be enforceable and is opt-in, stretch pay is just predatory because people who don't have the money to pay up front use it, GF even allows companies on their platform from KS to circumvent KS rules like ongoing campaigns. Edit: And even worse, I forgot GF didn't even bother to do away with the ridiculous "Funded in X minutes", fake funding goals etc.
@@bassmeo3937 Can't argue with your points GF is no shining beacon of innovation right now. What I think this will do is make GF a more viable option compared to KS and therefore encourage competition. What will KS do to try to compensate? If they for example add many more features, then GF will have to do the same to keep up. All wins for the consumer.
This isn't a win. The only thing this will do is create "deals" where publishers will get a "discount" for coming to a platform. And this isn't going to reflect in the prices of the campaigns for consumers, big publishers will just end up with more money to stick to a certain platform. Because let's be real here, keeping up a website like KS or GF isn't really that expensive besides server cost. @@nathangerardy2669
I think this move makes a lot of sense for CMON, having a platform that does your campaign and pledge manager plus the stretch pay I think it will help CMON to continue. Having a specialised platform for boardgame crowdfunding makes sense. What I dislike about GF is the interface and particularly the updates however it does have a better handling of add-ons and by its nature I don't have to navigate through loads of updates to find my pledge manager.
If CMON was previously paying 5% to KS and 5% to BackerKit, then I'd imaging if they've made a deal to pay 7% to GameFound, then both sides will be very happy. I think that the pre-order system will obviously be important to them. We've seen the disaster that happened when Hasbro thought that they could just spin up their own system. Getting a hosted platform where they can ask for specific features will be huge for them.
Kickstarter sat on its ass for too long. The new CEO of Kickstarter seems like a nice guy and ever since he came in he's been trying to actually get stuff done, but it may be too little too late at this point.
This reminds me - Kickstarter recently updated their update UI and while it fixes some stuff, it completely broke other things. If you add 2 photos quickly then you won't be able to save at all. You're also no longer able to upload your own videos, for whatever reason.
100%... They purposely ignored the customers and allowed companies to act in ways that were nefarious at best. Now they are seeing what happens. I used to kickstart things all the time.. I've given up on this process thanks to companies like Mythic.
The white glove treatment for certain devs that make enough money getting not only exclusive rates (undisclosed) but certain features they want (exclusively or something that is rolled out to others) is a really interesting concept I didn't think before. I wouldn't doubt that isn't what happened.
I hope this means the industry is moving towards more customer protection. I’m tired of being left with the check when they sit on their thumbs for years and go bankrupt
First Cephalofair follows up Frosthaven with a BackerKit campaign. Then CMON takes their business (and traffic) to Gamefound. That's gotta hurt Kickstarter.
If I’m not mistaken, Cephalofair has completely and exclusively migrated to Backerkit. Not just their new Frosthaven print or Gloomhaven 2nd Edition but for all campaigns
I still have yet to back any CMON campaign, as I find them rather lackluster. Not remotely interested in Song of Ice and Fire Tactics. God of War may be my first one.
I think this is good for both sides. I think the decline in KS is nothing has changed, and they don’t have a pledge manager. I really don’t like backing KS, because I have 10 different PM I have to sign into and make sure I’ve completed my pledge.
I think its the next step for CMON to get the stretch pay for their products, especially the All-In´s, because they have seen in the past, that in kickstarter campaigns, always the money for the All-In Badges was too heavy for most of the people. Now they have the possibilities to say "Hey, you want the All-In and you have not the money right now? No problem take the Stretch Pay for the next 10 months" or so.
@@DIZZUCK it’s because they know people want this shit. It’s a bad look. You can tell Alex for boardgameco doesn’t like it but he won’t outright say it too.
I liked that you explained capitalism at about 12:40. Adam Smith's pure competition is dead as dead can be, we are mired in late stage capitalism, as most markets are oligopoly lacking true competition.
it's also pretty in line with other cmon games, cash grab, if you ask me. I'd rather see how it fares and then have option to buy addons or new boxes.@@diszect7134
@@diszect7134 I dont know who is playing this game. No one at my local shops does. We got burned badly by Dark Age and Wrath of Kings, so we refuse to give CMON any money when they have shown multiple times they will just stop supporting a living game and not let any of the players know what is going on for months.
People go tired of getting burned and not getting their kickstarter pledges. This is why board games on kickstarter slowed down. I’m still waiting for so many games after two to years.
Been a long time fan of Gamefound and Awaken Realms and long time dissatisfied customer of Kickstarter and their snooze-worthy “featured projects” that virtue signal over promoting actual good projects I care about. Bye bye Kickstarter.
Kickstarter is crowd funding...why does a well established large company like CMON and so many others still use Kickstarter or Gamefound or Backerkit? It was meant to be for the little guy to get his voice heard, not for the big guy to silence them and do a money grab. Its just a shift of risk. It should be the business taking the risk and actually investing, not the consumer.
I'm assuming Gamefound is just offering a smaller cut, I certainly doubt any of this is being done to benefit the consumer - I notice little difference between them.
Kickstarter doesn't make it's own projects follow it's own rules of updating the backers. Table Titans by webcomic PvP Author Scott hasn't updated in years. LIterlaly years. Others include allowing companies to run new Kickstarters without fulfilling previous ones. That's just a flat out mistake. Blacklist and others showcase this. I hope that this felt like getting kicked in the teeth and Kickstarter starts enforcing it's own rules.
Why would they have to one up each other when backroom dealings and exclusive deals is far easier and beneficial for them (let alone mergers)? This is why things antitrust regulation exist.
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As an Indie pub the CMON gamefound deal scares me away from gamefound. One of gamefound’s big money makers is upselling more projects to backers by advertising other projects on each page. Which is fine if the backers supports both campaigns. My worry is what happens with 1 pledge or fewer per month backers? If I spend $2 to help them see my campaign just for Gamefound to say “here look at this super flashy CMON project” I’m essentially using my very limited ad budget to help fill CMON’s massive pockets! And I could very easily see that being what CMON gains from this deal, having their projects gain increased advertising on the platform and/or removal of advertising on their pages. Allowing them to siphon off indie backers.
“Never have a Kickstarter again” ummm who really cares? Doesn’t make any difference does it? They’re going to continue doing campaigns like they’ve always done so I don’t see what the point of this conversation is.
Heres to hoping the rethink their terrible shipping prices for LGS', I recently spoke to the owner of my FLGS and he basically said he was done doing Kickstarters especially for CMON because the fucked him over with a over $500 shipping price after the fact when they were ready to ship.
Will Gamefound be able to fix CMON's crazy extras after the campaign fees such as postage etc. I guess we'll finally see how genuine Gamefound is when faced with the big bucks. I remember when they first started out and your initial coverage of Gamefound for the backers. Will you pledge to do a follow-up article one year from now based on what Gamefound pledged when they first started and how they've changed?
Why would they? The stable pledge thing is (1) opt-in and (2) not enforceable in any way besides telling the company that they can't come back to the platform for their next campaigns
Affordable? I suspect over the longer term the more migration from Kickstarter to gamefound will be better for us backers, as long as some of that competitive tension remains as while they are far from perfect they do seem to be moving in the right direction while Kickstarter continues to ditch any responsibility and further weaken it's wording. Plus you get EU rules to help with consumer protection.
Stretch pay is nice, but what would really help Game Found in my eyes is for them to be more due diligent regarding irresponsible developers. Kickstarter says that they "investigate" reported problems, but all they "investigate" is if they are getting their cut. I don't know the solution (I wish I did!), but if GF starts having a Mythic Games or two, they may as well change their name to Game Fail! ;-)
Mythic did run a campaign on Gamefound (rise of the necromancers) and when the community brought up concerns they locked the campaign so nobody else could pledge. You can still late pledge to the outstanding KS projects from Mythic however.
The Kickstarter UI for backers is dreadful, if you have several dozen outstanding pledges, sorting through them is so long-winded and repetitive. KS has never fixed this issue, and maybe this deal will kick start KS into investing into a better UI.
There’s like 3 things I backed on Kickstarter and never got them, there’s 2 of them that I had to nag and nag to finally get it, then there’s like 5 that I’ve actually gotten no problems… gamefound I’ve only ordered 3 and so far it’s been a great experience, they didn’t send me an email on a stretch pay so they cancelled it, but that’s also my fault. Gamefound just needs an app to be 💯
Excellent distinction that the board game industry is run by board gamers, not corporations seeking profits such as the video game industry. I hope our industry holds on to this exclusivity. You can't drive a board game campaign with empty marketing promises and no content like you can a video game. The quality of video games has progressively got worse over the years, while the quality of board games continues to increase. As a result, my time and money investments have shifted from video games to board games.
look at succubus 5 years waiting for middara act2/3..or lazy squire games lavron rising and stormsunder years late and still no sign of them..then diemension games still waiting for dawn of madness wave 1 after many years..thats a big reason backers are leaving in droves now..not to mention what Mythic was allowed to get away with!.
its a pity comments that critise ks/gf or game companies gets deleted?..isnt this supposed to be a free speaking post?..or have i got it wrong?..nothing said out of turn just stating a few cold hard facts.
I never had a good experience with GameFound, and had a terrible experience with the last CMON KS that I backed (bad enough that I will never back them again). I am just going to continue ignoring CMON, so this move changes nought.
So far I had only positives experiences, however I think GF needs a graphic makeover and just straight updates to emails- not just a link to the update.
@@Lordmordisquitox It was the Paizo Kingmaker crowdfunding. NOT entirely GF's fault - but not a pleasant experience. And, yes - no notice when the PF1 besstiry was released. It feels like Kickstarter, six months after launch.
Not a very good play from CMON. GF is a good for AR games, and a few outliers like that witcher game, outside that, every games there seems to underperform...
Not much. kickstarter wasn't made for board games. They'll be fine. I'm not sure I'm any bigger fan of gamefound Honestly cmon should not be crowd funding.
Kickstarter wasn't made for board games, but it accounts for a very large portion of their profit. Year on year they are down really hard when it comes to money from projects.
Not really, Epic Games is universally hated by pretty much all gamers, and Steam is the better platform in literally every single way. I think a more fair comparison would be Twitch vs Kick.
