We had the same problem on the Isle of Skye Ro-Ro ferrys once....simple solution was we choked the back of the front wheels leaving the brakes off and slowly pulled the ferry backwards away from the coach. We have done this many times on the ferry before they put a bridge across to the Island and coach drivers are now happy.
Simplest thing would be to air up the tag axle to clear the back of the coach from where it's dragging on the Ramp. You can certainly here towards the end that the coach has air system .
but that would also raise the 2nd axle so you'd still get nowhere. i assume the bus is lifted to its highest position, but i might have helped to raise the end and lower the front.
I had a similar problem many years ago. I was delivering top secret government documents to a Northern Ireland Business man who lived in Lerryn. To get to his house I had to use the Boddinick Ferry at Fowey. The car I was driving was a government supplied top of the range Bond Bug, a prestige car at the time. Well, twas like this, I got on the ferry ok but getting off was a bastard! Skidding all over the shop I were. The fucker wouldn't get off the metal ramp of the ferry. I didn't have a mobile phone in those days but I did have a tin can with a piece of string pulled tight and on the other end was another tin. And who should be on the other end? Well none other than Mrs. Margaret Hilda Thatcher, the Queens daughter and she was sitting in her house (No 10) in London. She was watching telly. When I told her what was happening she called me a "Fucking Tosser!" But she did have a solution, she dispatched Sir Clive Sinclair. He immediately drove down from Buckingham Palace in London in his top of the range Sinclair C5 sports tourer breakdown truck. He arrived in well under a month and we tied the two vehicles together with some Bostick, UHU, School Glue and Copydex and Sellotape. We tried and tried to move the cars but to no avail. So, I took an executive decision, I threw the Top Secret documents into the River Fowey, shouted "Ahh Fuck it!" And me and Sir Clive Sinclair and a passing lollypop man went into Fowey and hit the pubs. Best move I ever made. I was sacked of course.
The obvious solution when no traction from drive axle is to connect with a vehicle which has traction. Has the coach driver not heard of a Ferry Lift setting on the vehicle's air suspension? As a vehicle which has obviously come across the Channel I would have thought it would have this feature. The buses in Plymouth which used the Torpoint Ferry were retained for many years longer on this route - long after the Bristol VR's were taken off the other services, because they had ferry lift suspension fitted. The answer is to have the equivalent of a check on school uniform skirt lengths for any doubtful large vehicles in the queue, could be as simple as a triangle of 1" box section steel set to the 8 degree (standard) angle, or the 'special' for the ferry slip at worst case condition and a the unit can have a sliding extension bar in the upper part of the unit that extends to around 4 metres (should then cover most vehicle overhangs). Shove the point if the triangle under the rear/front tyre and if it does not hit bodywork before the tyre/road contact point then the clearance is OK.
We had the same problem, even with the bus at the highest suspension, so the ferry lifted the ramp, just enough so the middle wheels are on it, the bus has reversed, almost to the front wheels, than the ramp went down again and the bus drove of at a 45' angle. Simple. Took me 5min.
That is why you should have a tandem 4x4 with lockers , so when the air ride is maxed out on the usual drive wheels , you engage 4x4 and hit the power devide (lockers) and then , even fully loaded , you will straddle any ramp or dodgy terrain !
Why don’t he turn on the 4x4? Don’t tell me that the rear axle has no drive...? If that’s the case then it’s useless as a tic on the bull Wasn’t that the idea for two axles at the back ...?
I know diddly squat about designing coaches, but as a layman it seems to me that designing a three axle coach and then only powering the middle axle seems a pretty damn silly idea. Surely every time the coach straddles a deep dip in the road the weight will be lifted off the only traction wheels, if not leaving them hanging in mid-air!! Am I missing something or is it just as daft an idea as it seems?
I am a coach driver, and although these coaches make abomidable off roading vehicles, having the single drive axle is a bit daft. Railroad crossings, large dips, snow, ice, sand, loose gravel, ferries and the like will disable the coach. Some vehicles do have powered rear axles, but the gross majority do not.
@@jaysmith1408 They cannot have powered rear axles because of the rear wheel steering as it is not possible to have drive on a rear wheel steering axle as the stresses & strain are too great.
This happened to me in March 2014 whilst driving a standard Van Hool bodied Volvo. In hindsight I blame the ferry. At the time I was terrified as to how I could extricate the coach as the back was literally resting on the ground. I couldn’t restart the bloody thing as there was an engine cut-off switch that was contacting the ground. It was a nightmare👺The ferry threatened to sue my company for thousands if they couldn’t set sail as the tide was going down and they could be stuck themselves.
The third axel furthest to the rear doesn’t have the power since it can be lifted to make tighter turns such as in a depot. That’s why the middle axel has the power.
What is the point of the third axle then. If it can be lifted, that implies that it doesn't really help much to support the weight of the bus. Most of the weight is on the second, middle driving axle.
Simon Tay It’s like a dump truck, they lift the axle when there’s nothing in the load for better fuel economy and turning radius. But when it’s filled to capacity or being filled at all I believe. It helps keep the truck from flipping and losing control when heavy.
@@masonx3bm Nope. It's optional, not standard, the busses I drive don't have them either (The same model as the video) And the regular lift only takes you so far
Lol I live over looking the ferry........ we see things like this on a regular occurance. Especially during REGATTA. I've seen a large lorry stuck on Kingswear side for hours because it's SAT NAV sent it down wrong road and the tide was right in. He had to wait for the tide to go out and have his back wheels right out over the slip to turn around. Still there are signs at the top of the road. :-)
easiest solution to this is to 1)raise the boat ramp up about two feet. 2) then block under the frame in front of the rear drive wheels. 3) lower the ramp. 4) pull the boat out until it's behind the third axle. 5)Raise the ramp to take the weight off the blocks. 6)remove blocks. 7)Lower ramp. 8) DONE!
if they had of slid the wood under the ramp, then dropped the ramp on the wood, that would have held the wood from kicking back and given the tires the traction they needed
It's pretty obvious that the bus driver is a noob in every sense of the meaning. Not his fault about the angle, but his demonstration of his skill and control of operating the bus is beyond cringe-worthy. Especially embarrassing was the fact that he had it in reverse when he should have been trying to go forward. A guy like that at the wheel of a vehicle that carries passengers is a danger. It's amazing that none of the workers (that were on the scene trying to help) got hurt.
If it was one of those ‘kneeling’ buses that lower the front end to allow handicap people easier access, wouldn’t activating that mechanism possibly help here? I realize it’s at the front of the bus, but if the front lowers then the entire thing has to rotate to accommodate it, so the drive wheels might end up being pressed into the ground for better traction.
Its old put. Hey. Just drive the ferry out from underneath the bus and it will touch the ground. Reminds me of the semi stuck under a bridge for hours blocking traffic. A 12 year old girl came up with the idea to get unstuck. Let the air out of the tires. Out side the box.
G E R M A N S (!) Don't mention 'The war WO II' as said in Falwty Towers BUT as I'm concerned as a coach-driver myself in Englan & Scotland the only permitted length in the JoeKee is 12 (twelve) meters and NOT an inch more!
Pity they did not prop up the lip of the ramp by placing the dunnage under the lip so that is changed the whole angle of approach from the ramp to the landing reducing the angle.
LA SOLUCIÓN ERA INTENTAR ALZAR LA SUSPENSIÓN PNEUMATICA DE ATRÁS Y QUIZÁS INTENTAR BAJAR LA ANTERIOR . DE ESTA FORMA LA PARTE POSTERIOR SE ALZABA Y NO TOCABA CONTRA LA RAMPA
OMG, Lift the bus right up with the ferry, build the wood up under the wheels of the bus,, lower the ferry, and back the ferry off... they had the wood to do this, and step the wood down for the bus to drive off of !!!!! I'm sad this was in my Home of Devon !!!!
They would have been better wedging the boards under the ramp to stop them getting kicked out by the turning wheels, as for pushing or towing it off, yeah easy to think that would work but with the bodywork on modern coaches it's likely to flex and pop out windows and still not guaranteed to let him drive away without smacking the mechanicals and damaging suspension, trnasmission or engine.
@pajmankent you do talk alot of bull. coaches have air suspension, basically a air bag beween the axel and the chassis. the ferry lift pumps the air bag right up with air, raising everything above the axels. the body is welded to the chassis so both rise together. so when the coach left the ferry, he could of put his ferry lift on and been clean away.
Nos route sont tellement sinueuses que lle nouveau bus devrait être coupé en deux avec un système d'accordéon comme les grands bus de la ratp pour permettre de prendre toute les route sans aucune difficulté
Це німці!!!вони тільки штрафи можуть писати за тормозні диски,а коли пульт в руки взяти щоб уровінь пола регульнути,в них запобіжник горить в місках!!!!
I was on this recently with a normal sized coach . And with ferry lift on I still managed to scrape the front end when offloading. I think it depends on the tide
I know this ferry and when I stayed at a hotel in DartmoutthI too had this problem our solution ? the tide came in and were lifted just a foot and the back end was feed never went that way again easier to go around by road...I was heading for Torquay.
Possibile che un bus con sospensioni pneumatiche non sia munito di regolazione manuale di altezza? I camion sono tutti muniti di regolazione in cabina, almeno fino a 60 kmh poi riprendono l'altezza stabilita dalla casa.
The eazy way? If ther was other heavy trucks is the boat, bring them close to the doar so the boat ramp goes lower from their weight... Second way, put rope at the edge of ramp to make a step... 👍 Free tip from Greek bosun...
There was a double decker bus on the Lower Ferry yesterday (during Regatta Week) I was on that ferry it took ages for the bus to get on and off the ferry. The bus was owned by a family/a group of friends so they just did it for the fun! They should have caught he Higher Ferry they would probably have got on relatively quickly. It wasn't safe passengers including myself were scared stiff
@curryjoe92 the ferry lift would not do any good as it has lost contact with road. The ferry lift would only lift body higher on the chassis, leaving the wheels where they are! Its the ferry operators fault for not having enough ballast and making the slope a lesser decline!
true, but it would have lifted the drive axel off the ground, but they could have backed more under the wheels, but if he would have put the ferry lift on, and with the front wheels on the ground, he could have accelerated and the momentum would have rolled him clear.
Either that tag axle is not working or the operator doesn't know how to use it. That axle should provide at least 10 inches lift from where I see it sitting. Bloody Hell, it's sitting way above the drive axle! You would think it would be automatic on that bus.
Que alguien me explique porque estaban poniendo madera en la llantas delanteras?? Era fácil con la rampa del ferry sostener la madera para que no se corriera y así hacia tracción la llanta. Faltos de ideas!!
Hmmm - German Bus Company, I thinks the bus driver earn extra money from the ferry restaurant for the many extra guests - or he never drive often over a ferry without street ramp. Here in Germany be street ramps normally at North and Baltic Sea ferry ports.
This is "Dads Army" stuff. Even third world ferries have mats to put under larger vehicles like buses to get them off on arrival. Clearly this was all reactive and not proactive. It would have been obvious...if someone actually bothered to look, that this bus would not easily get off the ramp. Unprofessional effort.
