What's the reason why PH teams kept dominating the international scene? Legendary coaches Yeb and Duckey discussed the main differences between how Indonesian teams approach the game and what's the secret for PH's success.
As an Indonesian i do agree with coach Yeb and Duckey, Chemistry is the most important thing and Chemsitry builds based on process and consistency, i still remember when APBren still in that process effect when Blacklist and Echo is a powerhouse in International Tournament, Blacklist with their Icon Veewise and Echo with Karltzy, but with that process look at them now, hell even i can said APBren almost finished their international title only MSC left, i hope those higher ups in Indonesian MLBB esport teams watch this and starts to develops the mindset of trust the players and let them develop and build chemistry, MLBB is a 5 man TEAM for God sake 😅
I do totally agreed with you bro, for me as an Indonesian too (you're not alone bro, let me accompany u here h3h3h3) from what Coach Duckey mention in the video, so many teams in Indo cycle their teams too fast before they got the chemistry with the new roster, they want an instant success. Also I feel sorry because Indo community still a toxic community, they just blaming their teams without any positive support, understanding the process how to get the great result. Because the attitude from our community too, most of Indonesian teams 'fulfilling' their temporary satisfactory of their fans with roster changes which don't solve the main problem at all..
i’m indonesian, and the thing about indonesia is because the community itself. the community getting too big and toxic, thats why a lot of teams have to cycling the players so fast. because the fans are demanding the champion title. nothing wrong with that. we can’t control netizens criticism but i think the team management have to educate the fans about the process and teams developments. and i also agree the team management have no patient and not trusting the process. because most of teams are too money centered i guess? it is a bussiness at the end of the day. but like you said, i hope indonesian teams will ignore the demanding fans and give the new players more time to grow and not replace their players suddenly when they not give the best performance.
Thats the problem of indo when you do a mistake theyll bash you and wanted you to go out of the team. They dont have patience they want an instant championship thats not a good mindset.
PH fans are also toxic but unlike ID, PH coaches trusts the players and the process. So, even if there many criticisms of the players they would still let the roster keep playing and ignore the "fans" (more like bashers)
Look at geek fam man. They didnt really clicked that much when they got Baloyskie. He died a lot and their team didnt even qualify the play offs.BUT they decided to trust their players especially him. Look at the result. Who wouldve thought that the team who is always at the bottom standings were able to make it to the grand finals and represent their country in the m5 world stage.
Summary: Indo Team: - you play bad, out - you didn't perform well, out - you didn't get the crucial Lord, out Ph Team: - We did poor this season, refresh, rebuild and grind. And learn from our mistakes. - let's try again next season and couple more seasons, to find our Winning Strategy.
@@semaJnorbeL23 Yes but they aren't the team, more like, they will MAKE the strongest team because that is what coaches and analysts are for in addition to drafting.
Moonton needs to nerf the bush to give other countries a chance to win. M2 - bren - assassin nerf M3 - blacklist - support nerf M4 - echo - increased tower health, no backdoor M5 - apbren - bush nerf, wards???
Napaka sad talaga 😂 Moonton always giving Indo the upper hand yet they still fail to get the chip every tourna . Lakas talaga Ng adaptability Ng mga Pinoy
This is happen on almost every sport in indonesia Badminton Football also And there is more i believe Now esport MLBB especiali Look at M1 i think PH doesnt bring coach on M1 And after m1 look at what happen 4 straight to PH event the players on their competitive still the same (almost? I dont follow PH MPL etc.) Im agreed with what both coaches said in therm of technical indonesian not fall behind but in therm of team hell yeah they left far behind (i think)
The social media climate in Indonesia also affects the players' mindset to a certain degree. To put it simply, the ones who are flashy, cool, and have a lot of kills gets put in the spotlight and become famous. What do they get if they become famous ? Money, fame, and most importantly the chance to retire early and continue their career streaming or other forms of content creation. And the Indonesian fans LOVE these flashy plays. Too much for their own good. That's why these players compete with each other, even against their own teammates to get the flashiest plays and montages, putting winning as a team as second priority.
Without this podcast I already know indo team prob no is more like indo people are like this, they do thing based on other opinion so instead to understand the game they choose to outstand the game and that not just happen in the game but also in society. Even in politics people choose gimmick more then competency, indo people often refer work as status not place to earn money with professionality or passion but when not seen or heard they will miss use their responsibility to corrupt. This is why I rarely trust indo to do their job, they just good at licking shoes and barking or you can say a hypocrite shit head😊
If an org is willing to offer a hefty amount of money to Wolf to transition from Casting to Coaching; A team will have great development and will certainly go places. My gosh this guy has a deep understanding of the game. You get not just a coach but an excellent analyst as well. The wisdom of this man is on another level. Players will learn a lot from him. Not only about the game but most especially players behavior and discipline . Skills can always be taught and improved. But in game behavior and team discipline are big factors to success. And this man can definitely bring these to any team. He posseses an observation Haki lol
Alam ko indo at ph team ang focus ng discussion pero naaappreciate ko talaga ang progress na pinapakita ng Fire Flux. Hindi rin sila nag import ng player. But they're slowly working their way up and I believe they're one of those groups who just trust the process. Sana magpatuloy pa rin sila sa pagparticipate sa mga tournaments. I'll still always root for PH teams but also looking forward to seeing Fire Flux rise.
Same style kasi sila sa Ph teams, lalo na blacklist. Sobrang naadapt nila yung strat na "play it smart not hard". Isa pa di sila nag papalit gaano ng players kaya nabubuo yung chemistry. Kung ganyan din ginawa ng BTK M3 line up baka mas lumakas pa sila, kaso wala ma ego eh
Ay gagi agree ako dito, may konteng team changes lang from their original lineup nung incendio (I think) to fire flux, pero andun parin yung chemistry nila. Looking forward na makipagsabayan sila sa Ph teams. Ang ganda nilang maging kalaban
@@clydeallosada3384wala puro egoist sa btk, walang coach na nag cocontrol sa kanila and ending watak watak. Wag nyo sabihin na di totoo yung sinabi ko, mismong sila coach yeb duckey at wolf walang maiidulot ang pagiging egoist.
Lol they need both imports and players from ph. Tell what is the standing in MPL ID and look who is on top of that? Emman was an instant success for BTR. Onic is self explanatory with Kairi and yeb. Geek fam is not far behind with Baloy/marrkkyyy. Aura is struggling but its their 1st year together. RRQ wants instant gratification with Irrad and coach Vren, they dont let them build chemistry if you dont win now you get benched same as Super red in Evos, Dlar in previous season. They dont deserve imports tbh.
Ang Dami na details Ng podcast ni wolf para maging dominate Yung iba regions pero di nila naiinitindihan Yung formula Yung ego Kasi Yung nangingibabaw sa kanila kahit di pa nag dominate nauuna Ang yabang for example Indo palaging talo pero Yung mindset Ng mga tao Sila pinaka magaling kaya pag nag laban sapakan agad Wala objectives nakatatak na sa isip nila kailangan Sila lang Yung magaling
@@MrUod and PH absolutely goes ham with their cheesy strategies to win games like UBE, Bane/Faramis(pre-revamp) push strat, Tank junglers in general, Funnel strategy even the Diggie feed was cheesy as hell.
I remember watching a podcast that an indo proplayer... I dont remember his name but he is ex evos pro player that win M1 and he said why indonesia were not as good as PH... He said that back then a lot of pro player in indonesia are just trying to tet famous with the pro scenes and then after that they becoming streamer... So they dont really try hard to be the best they just trying to get famous and then become a streamer... Beacuse back then a streamer get more money than being a pro player.... But in PH he thinks they fight and really try hard to be a pro player and to win every tournamen that's why
I'm from Indo, and I agree. We need to develop the BRAIN side of the game more seriously and put more importance to chemistry between players in a team.
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tama si coach duckyy di mo kailangan kumuha ng baguhan ang kailangan mo lang build a chemistry on your team or players and give trust, every process makes an achievement
Well Meta is not necessarly the answer, chemistry is the right answer, if you play a match with someone you barerly knew, it affects your playstyle, sometimes trust issue will occur and affects the decision making in a war, PH doesn't have that problem because they're trusting their player, meanwhile in Indonesia like Duckey said player can get sacked easily if they didn't achieve anything, that is weird you know, there is rarely player whom become champion with only 1 or 2 seasons after they moved to their new team, maybe only a few but thar is really rare
@@user-kw4ms4ke8t but meta is quite literally one of the biggest factors , if not the main factor, for a team to win. PH integrated metas that literally put them on the very top of pedestal that everyone else adapted after experiencing a lost. For example, just look at M5 grandfinals, Onic was strong because of Kairi's skill set as an assassin main, but because of Utility meta, they weren't able to break through Bren. And you know onic, dominated several international scenes before M5 happened. So although chemistry is a factor, it is just 30%. I would say 40-50% counts for META and strats, 20-30% for skills and 30% for chemistry
@@dontexpectanyrepliesI didn't see your point here. The argument is whether indo knows the Phil. "META" right? As you've mentioned, ONIC did use the UTILITY heroes during their M5 run. Which shows that they're knowledgeable (pertaining to the Current meta) of the Philippine meta. It just that their Execution/ mental fortitude differs compared to Bren.
kaya si mtb dapat palitan kasi may lacking sa kanya lalo sa decision making, kitang kita yung edge ng ibang coaches sa kanya when it comes to coaching his team.
The last part was kind of where it shouldnt have been cut off.. its not a Player's Job to create Strategy? I know he is a Coach thats why he says it for self importance but that statement, is that for real? Anyone can be a Coach, even another player within the team. Even some DotA Teams do it while having DotA as a more Complex game. The real thing is, its good to have a Coach cause its a luxury to have a Coach. But anyone can also make Strats, and if youre a Pro it makes more sense to learn Strats even without a Coach.
In my opinion, the reason why player rotations in Indonesia are very fast is because MLBB in Indonesia has become a big industry. In the industry, money is needed, and money comes from investments and fans. However, fans and investments will only exist if they get champions. It's a bit paradoxical, but that's how it is when sports become industries; money is at play. They need instant victories and recognition. I agree with Coach Ducky, chemistry is actually an investment in this game.
Even for Bren, after they won M2, they started going downhill after KarlTzy left and even the casters were even saying that Bren has become a fallen kingdom from S7 or 8 all the way till S10 until they finally showed some results and proven themselves in S12 and M5, so with this we can agree with coach duckyy for now that investing in the process is important and it’s also the coaches job to know which players are able to build up chemistry within the team. Maybe ID needs more time for their imports to adapt and I believe the process will show results! All the best to all of them and looking forward to S13! 🫡
Nakapaglaro din ako sa Indo server. Bwesit na bwesit tlga ako sa RG nila lalo na sa Mythic at Mythical Honor brackets nila! Halos gusto lahat sila maging bida ayun! 2 core na nag retri spell, minsan naman halos lahat gusto gayahin si Sanz, umabot na nga kami sa punto na MH na MH pero pickings namin Eudora, Cyclops, Vale, Novaria. Ako lang yung naiba mm hahaha
The thing is, in indo the players are treated above the coaches. When they win its the players win, while then they lose its the coaches mistake. That is why even if indo import PH coach, they wouldnt change a thing unless the players wants to hear their coaches (BTR with coach vren case)
Meron kasi Bayanihan concept ang mga pinoy... It may not be as fast but when its there you will know that it will prosper no matter what.. they may have the skills , the concept of playing as a team is already imbedded sa mga pinoy thru Bayanihan... Skills can be learned
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Ang playstyle ng indo teams ay kung ano ung galawan nila mula m1 un na hanggang ngaun...Kaya gustong gusto nila ung assasin na jungle dahil nga mukhang maangas... Pero ang sa pinoy hindi lumalabang hanggat ndi lumalamang...
As an ID player, i can confirm that Phillipines is great but APBren is on another level. i watch many PH team other than APBren, they're not even close to APBren.
Brusko is the proof here, Brusko getting bash because he is sacrificing a lot for his team, because he is roam he don't want to shine, he is using his team to win by making them powerful.
Hindi ako pro player, casual gamer lang pero araw araw ako naglalaro. Nag start ako maglaro nung mag work ako dito s Indo since 2017 (up until now). Observation ko lang, hindi ko sure kung s coach or player or maybe part din is culture. 1. Hindi sa kanila masyado uso ang communication (based nlng dito s work ko) considering they speak the same language. 2. Masyado toxic dito, kahit may makalaro akong duo or trio, nakukuha pa makipag trashtalk, considering may squad na yung trio/duo, dapat objective lang talaga. Wala sa dami ng kills, MVP etc, it’s all about towers, base and assists. 3. Tingnan nyo nlng yung mga dating pro players nila, nag sstream nlng, kasi npa toxic ng culture (ewan ko lang s ibang games). Kaya cgro nawwalan na rin ng gana yung mga pro players, kaya d rin nagttagal. Yung Kairi, tingnan nyo, puro sisi ng mga Indo streamers, madali lang manisi kasi, bat kaya hindi sila yung mag laro? Lol. Yung diko gets s mga trashtalkers, bkt yung teammate tina trashtalk imbes na tulungan kung hirap na? Kasi nga individualist at hindi pa nakkpag communicate, tpos yung ka toxican, kht tpos na game, mag PM p syo, minsan maghhmon pa ng 1v1 lol. Maganda yung gngwa jan s Pinas, meron bootcamp, para at least may camaraderie at pati yung coach. Yung talent at skills ng Indo, meron na eh, yung “culture” lang ang dapat baguhin sa kanila. Isipin nyo, 4th largest population in the world ang Indo (next sa US, China no 1, India 2, US and Indo) ang Pinas ay pang 10th lang. Meaning mas malaki population nila ng di hamak, meaning mas malaki economy nila at mas malaki resources nila ng di hamak. Maski nga s Basketball balang araw ppwede nila tayo talunin kung gumawa sila ng long term na program at mag invest sila.
@@jonazz900 nag stay ako sa Pinas boss last year or 2022 ata for 8months. Iba yung level ng sisihan dito, tpos dko tlaga ma gets yung tina trashtalk yung teammates, kung halimbawa “bobo” edi dapat tulungan nlng, hindi ung manghhingi pa ng tulong at report agad inaatupag imbes na tpusin ung game, minsan isang mali lang, pwede kayo mag “comeback win”. Tpos yung level ng trashtalk, iinusultuhin ka pa at buong pamilya mo, tpos minsan after ng game mag PM pa. Lol. Alam ko kaht saan walang perfect, pero npag laro rn ako for few days s Singapore, yung worst tlga is Indo. I am not saying hindi sila mabait, yung kultura lang sa online games or maybe bka s ML lang ganito ka toxic.
Yung Indo meta naka depende lang sila sa Ph meta kaya pagdating sa International tournament kapag may nilabas na bago ang Ph hindi makasabay ang Indo dahil ang inaral lang nila yung usual na napapanood nila sa Ph MPL
4:18 hit many Indo team so hard, specially the toxic fans, like kingdom, etc who give pressure to the owner and players, like come on Rome not build in one night, why rushing? many Indo team just rebuild and rebuild meanwhile top tier team like Bren they already have the chemistry and fully prepared and when the tournament come Indo team still building chemistry and when they lose they start from zero again
Daming tanga sa reply😂 di lang nila nagets yung sinabi ni duckey kaya ganyan react nila sa comment mo. Di nila alam sobrang husay na coach ni duckey sa salita palang makikita mo na kung bakit dominate tlaga ang bren ngayon.
on my point sa ibang country they don't need import players they need good import coaches kasi marami sila players problema kulang sa gabay ng magaling na coach from us..
If you look at ECHO's build up, they were the same. Granted they did switch up a few players (Kurt and 3mar) they kept at it till they won championship.
I think what they're trying to say somehow from their words is that ID lacks the fundamental aspects of a 5v5 game. An ID player can and probably most of the time floor you on a 1v1, but finds it very struggling on a larger 5v5 game state. ID is individuality, PH is camaraderie. Both are essential in tactical warfare and a tactician needs to be able to adapt to both.
Yeah, I do agree with that. The easiest way to see that is how different it is when we (I'm Indonesian) apporach our objective, especially lord. When we compare the M4 and M5 grand final, M4's lord dance is more structured compared to how ID vs PH in M5 which more look like a clash between hero or even person rather than 5v5 to gain objective.
@@arfeusss I'm a 1v1 player myself and I'm from the Philippines. I do find it hard at most times maximizing my skills on a macro setting. Maybe it's because I got used to playing the old dota where despite it being a 5v5 format, it is more grindy and methodical compared to how moba games are nowadays. I think it all depends on the background or culture of the player at the end of the day.
Ganito nangyari sa echo. Di porket lagi sila natatalo after ng m5 tournaments binangko na si yawi. Kung sana nagpractice pa sila more with the main 5 baka lagi nila katapat AP Bren sa titles.
Magkaiba kasi yung magaling sa malakas. Pweding magaling ka sa Micro pero hindi sa Macro or Vice versa. Pero pag sinabi mung malakas complete package yun magaling sa Micro pati sa Macro. Ang mga Indonesian magagaling lang pero hindi malalakas.
6:36 Meanwhile i do agree with all of them statements , that including chemistry & macro etc .. ,,, the thing about mlbb is who can adapt to the patch the best . Currently bren is the best , but years ago we know that blacklist is the best . Not to mention lack of global ban 😂😂 that's why mlbb would always behind compared to aov . Note : I played both games
Coaches palang ng Bren eh M2 and M5 Champ + M4 Champ. Dun palang lamang na sila. Samahan mo pa ng mga international experience nila like Sea games at M series. Tapos MPL PH na bakbakan ang laban 🔥🔥
tama na nmn si Doggie sa topic sa to. other regions wants instant success kaya nghakot ng imports. in that way its a win2 for the import player. pero pagdating ng international tournaments same result pa din. kung sino #1 & #2 sa PH Region tournament ay mataas ang chance mgchampion sa International.
I agree with Duckey's statement that Indo teams want a instant success, while in PH they are trust the process. Coach Duckey is spitting FACT right there👌🏻
ganun din kasi Yung naging process ng Bren....di naman instant Yung pagiging malakas nila kasi dumaan din Sila sa dun sa early round exit ehhh o kaya di nakakapasok sa playoffs..kudos kay kuts Duckeyyy kasi naging patient siya sa mga players niya
You cannot blamed the org in Indo. The sponsorships also based on the team popularity and achievements. Like EVOS they having financial issues because sponsor are pulling out because of EVOS frequently losing to secure playoff’s. RRQ also got that issue, before so many sponsors are getting RRQ now their CEO admit losing advertisers. So they need the team to win and cannot wait for the team build chemistry. The business aspect of E sports in Indo is more important. The reason why old popular players are still keep and paid high is because of the engagement and fans they give to the team. Example Lemon and Rekt , this two cannot compete with the new generation of players but keep by the team for sponsorship and fans.
Malakas lang talaga ang bren at malalakas talaga mga player ng pilipinas di lang talaga ninyo matanggap na patuloy padin ang pamamayagpag ng pilipinas. Kagaya ng sinabi ni boss dogs na minahal ang mlbbb dito satin kaysa sa indo.
Dun ako sa sinabe ni coach duckey Na tinatanggal nila agad yung isang player imbis mag build ng chemistry nag aadjust nanamn yung ibang player kasi bago nanamn yung player
