Cold Case Mystery: The Skelton Brothers: Part One 

😭😭😭😭 thank you so much, that means the very most to me

Agree fully. She seems to be good at balancing her videos and being a mom to them. It’s not easy for sure. I love these videos but anytime she takes longer to upload I’m ok 😂 cuz I know she’s spending time with her family and/or taking a break for herself. Look how she has raised her first daughter. Definition of success to me. I look up to her.

That is so true!

You are amazing! Thank you for your hard work💕

I agree! You can tell she’s an amazing mumma!

I'm so sorry to hear that. I had a friend murdered. Her killer never caught. It stays with you all your life

@marshall2238 I'm so sorry, no child should ever know that pain of losing a friend. I was in 1st grade when my best friend went in for a tooth pulling at the dentist. I still remember coming home and telling my mom I was gonna see if she could play. My mom had to sit me down and explain to me in a way I'd understand that she had a tooth pulled and had a allergic reaction to the medication and passed. I still to this day think about what kind of person she would have been as a adult. Again I'm sorry you had to go through that. Prayers from Va Beach Virginia

It says you commented this two days ago but the video released an hour ago 👀😳

Supremekushhh I’m a Patreon, so we get the videos early. 😊

You should check out Betty Broderick story for the ultimate case of if I can’t have them neither can you

Jennifer Greeves so all patreons get to watch the videos early? Does that mean you have part 2? I’m new I don’t know how all this works. I would appreciate your input

Louise Hey hey Yes, she’s given us access to part 2 already as well. I haven’t watched it yet though.

My thoughts exactly!!!

this world is so big and fucked up - can’t imagine what they’re going through if that’s the truth. frankly, i don’t want to even think of it. disgusting business that people get into for their disgusting fantasies and money.

Good point.

Not only that, if they're soo mysterious, how does one even find such group to contact them? He's so full of shit, I wish he'd just care enough about them to tell police where their bodies are. So sad.

Every heard of underground railroad it still exists nowadays they help domestic abuse victims disappear or abused children to start fresh with a safe foster family

It's all super weird either way. They must have known that the daughters and John belong to one family - they should have just send the daughters away once they realized. Going "We wanted to defend you, but your wife payed quicker so we're on her side now" just seems really weird.

My thoughts exactly

Agreed. I think the lawyer's office fucked up big time!

I don't even see how the lawyer could have dropped a client to avoid a conflict of interest. Shouldn't he have denied taking the case for the wife ? Isn't it first come first serve

They’re not supposed to tell him that they can’t rep him because they’re representing her... not until after he’s served. They should’ve told him they checked & could not take on anymore new clients at this time.

I thought the same exact thing after hearing what he told the pastor. And at first I also thought if he gave the kids to someone, why haven’t they called the police -it would be impossible for this person not to hear/see something about the missing boys, or have a family member, friend, boss or co-worker, employee at a place this person often frequents, etc., the list is endless. However, then he said that he gave them to an Amish community, and that’s literally the only thing where that could and would all make sense. The Amish have their own communities, towns essentially, where the very vast majority rely solely on themselves. They run their own society which includes a judicial system, schooling, jobs like wood making, butchers, clothing, wig making, etc. they don’t have nor use electricity. They wouldn’t have a tv, radio, phone, etc., where they could learn the truth of the 3 boys. The accept anyone into their society that would like to join -especially children in dire situations. Either John used the Amish situation because he knew it’s literally the only option where things could make sense in what he’s said and he believes that excuse will work, or there may really be something to it.

This narcissist will never disclose their location. It is a game of power and control - and he will not let go of his control in letting their locations be known. He does not care that others are suffering.

Because if they really have a secret organization like that, of basically kidnapping kids regardless of the reason, why on earth would THEY contact the police on themselves? I don't believe that story. Imo he is another Lori Vallow and those poor boys are no longer with us. But that question you asked has a very obvious answer...Imo.

He also referred to death as "going home" in his poem, so you can link it by language as well

@@loko7914 Amish people would still potentially see the missing posters and billboards or hear people talking about it whenever they go out into town (ex to a supermarket or doctor).

The school is literally the only person who did anything of use in this case

I agree. Behind every narcissist is people that are close to them who have played a part in shaping them into who they are or at the very least allowed their warped thinking to go on unchecked. They allowed them to believe they could never be wrong, that they didn’t have to take responsibility for themselves for their mistakes, coddled them, never criticized, made them feel entitled, allowed their delusional thinking and grandiose fantasies... I wonder how the parents feel now knowing their “deadline” pushed him over the edge and into acting in haste. It’s clear he was going to go on this path either way if he couldn’t have those boys- it clearly was pre-meditated. Very sad. Yet another reason narcissists should never be parents. Tanya’s fatal error - saying “no” to a narcissist. You don’t ever leave them, they leave you - either dead or absolutely devastated.

Yeah my daughters father is a John. He knew I had a warrant because I missed court on a BS misdemeanor possession charge so basically I couldn’t call the cops on him.. so he did whatever he wanted, I was the only one who worked , etc I would wake up and my tips from the night before (say $200) would be gone and he would leave me with $10-$20 because I don’t “need” more. He would have random people moving in (always female) saying that they would pay rent, never did, in fact one girl stole my car key and went MIA so I would have to find her or pay $500+ to rekey my car .. he barely lifted a finger. He took $7000 and bought himself a new car without asking and then promptly lost it within 6 months. I couldn’t get in his phone but if I didn’t give him my password he’d hit me. He could go out and do whatever he wanted without answering my calls or telling me but I wasn’t allowed anywhere other than work or my parents. He had 5 other kids with 5 other women and I was the sixth. I got myself into treatment and moved back with my parents to get away from him after I lost my apartment. He was living in a house with no running water, was 35 and never had a real job, didn’t help with his other kids , etc. I had a tough pregnancy and was in the hospital more often than not and he did nothing. Then showed up at my parents 7 months after I had her flipping out because I gave her up for adoption. He said I had “no right “ and it was “illegal “ I had to “raise her, unless he gave permission otherwise “ etc. like not even that HE wanted her (he had no custody and barely saw 2 of his other 5 kids even once a month ) but that he wanted ME to raise her alone because he said so. It’s a sickness these people have.. they don’t care about the person only the control.

I’ll be honest, i thought you meant you were married to a man named John and that’s what made him terrible. but I’m just an idiot. I’m sorry about your situation, narcissists are some of the worst abusers because no one else can see the abuse but you.

@@kylaxstanley1620 I read it as she was married to John and was like "😱" until I reread it properly. Anyways I hope anyone that finds themselves in such a relationship can get out, recover and come out stronger.

Denise Michelle i think we might just be illiterate lmaooo

Same. I love Stephanie but when she said “she wasn’t an angel” it kind of irked me because it appeared like she was downplaying the fact that the woman is a pedophile.

@@user-zh8xj1yd3f Same. I just kept thinking if she were a man, Steph's opinion would be different, as would a lot of people who are looking at this case. I don't believe she was a threat to her kids at all but still it's disgusting.

i mean i obviously condemn those actions and everyone should, but they're not really relevant to this case. this isn't about her at the end of the day, it's about what happened to her children.

aesthetic Garbage it’s like she’s reporting on this woman’s missing children, she doesn’t need to drag her anymore. What she did was disgusting but I just still feel so bad for her

I agree. Just curious, does anyone know how old she was at that time?

Michaela Egge - yes, very much so.

Yes! I always confuse the cases too. Maybe it’s the little boys being similar ages and similar aspects in the case but for some reason when I read “Skelton” I thought it was the Powell case and vise verse. Truly disturbing in both cases

---Josh came to my mind but it’s depressing how many times this happens to hurt whoever your ‘ex’ is---depraved individuals, every one of them.

Sadly, I two believe he did so too.......Rip little ones.....He will pay the God I know will judge him n snt him where he belongs

Michaela Egge my thoughts exactly. The ultimate way of taking control and causing maximum emotional pain to Tanya.

Yes I would love for her to make a video on Alicia. I just came across her moms tiktok tonight & the pain shes experiencing is so upsetting. Would love to get the word spread!

My HFA son is only 7.5 but everything you said is exactly him. I haven’t heard of her case. Has there been any updates?!

@@jennajune2101 not that I know of, here is a link that might give you some insigh tru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L-IWW5dyeaY.html I hope Stephanie dosent mind. The end goal here is to spread the word and get her home safely. Happy New Years 🤗

This case breaks my heart :( I just saw I think Kendall Raes video on Alicia. I pray she is safe somewhere and can just come home 😞

Do you mean to say that your child only eats Wendy's chicken nuggets? Have you showed them how chicken nuggets from a fast food restuarant are made? The pink goo shit? Perhaps that will help...mature their palate if they know what they're eating instead of just focusing on the texture of it.

She committed a crime. A horrible crime. A felony. But I believe she changed for the benefit of her boys & never touched them. John was the psycho murderer here. Not her.

If John was worried about her past then he should have not had children with Tanya.

It kinda rubbed me the wrong way too, how it was being described.

Well naturally! I don’t believe she’s minimising a sex crime ! Just a thought don’t come for me

@@jennajune2101 we also don't know how old she was. She could have been like 18. Not saying it was right in anyway tho

Tai Tai - I thought the same thing.

Watching his mother act and the poem he wrote, I think she abandoned / molested / abused him and made him the monster he is today. The woman is cold as fuck, she does not care about her grandchildren. She is smiling, even laughing when asked about their safety. She is a monster (grand)mother.

@@Julienna I bet she is a narcissist that raised a narcissist and his dad looks too scared of both of them to say what he really feels.

If she supported him as fully as she claims she would be visiting him. Same with the rest of the family. They are in denial & can't face him or the truth.

😂😂😂😂 his poem was so dark... the emo teens can’t even handle it

Hold my absynth 🧚‍♀️

same

There it is! A bad story

Yep - he killed them. Poor little boys!

I don’t believe she wasn’t abusing them at all

Because he's a manipulative liar - about all of it.

She probably felt she didn’t have any choice. Courts sometimes go way overboard in trying to make sure both parents are given equal rights to see kids, even in the presence of evidence that it might not be in the kids best interests. I literally was in the same position as her- after my ex abducted my 3 children - and the courts did not reprimand him but instead gave him unsupervised visitation. The court system does not protect children and tends to hold the view “they are with their father, what could possibly go wrong??...” It was very frustrating. The kids suffered for years because of his narcissistic personality. It just never ends and is all about possession and control.

I mean after all they were his kids as well 🤷🏼‍♀️ Love how some mums always say MY children, the father of my baby, like it take 2 people to make it

@@alicjakrag313 any male can make a child, but being a parent is something different. It's the responsibility of the parents to keep those children safe, emotionally and physically. When he kidnapped them, he proved that he was not interested in their safety. And now where are they? We don't know because their "father" was allowed to be alone with them after he proved he wasn't concerned about the boys safety. The comment you made makes me think that you're not a parent because I can't imagine anything more terrifying than someone taking my children away from me, not telling me where they are or letting me meet who they're being left with. And being forced by courts or anyone to put your children in an unsafe environment is wrong. It doesn't matter if it's their father or not. The ONLY thing that matters is the child. In this case, those children were failed, and now they're probably dead. At the hands of their father. 2 people made those children, but only 1 was concerned for their safety.

@@wordsleuth992 I'm very sorry that happened to you. It's truly terrifying that parents be forced to keep their children in unsafe situations. I live in Florida, and if one of the pare ts takes a child without permission from the other, and there aren't specific custodial requirements, there's absolutely nothing the police can do. In this specific incident, Stephanie said that the mother and her lawyer decided that it would look better to the courts if she agreed to visitation. Unfortunately, now those children are probably dead. I'm sorry your kids were effected negatively by your situation. It's so sad that kids become the unintentional victims sometimes.

@@bronwyngavin6076 You're right I'm not a parent and I never will be. But what about father's feelings when he doesn't know where his kids are (with mother)? I obviously don't mean this John monster but speaking in general. I'd argue if he kidnap his children, there were his kids too.

I don’t think he will

@@StephanieHarlowe you're right. It's his ultimate display of power and control.

Ikr! Wish he would AT LEAST do that

Do you know if they ever searched the basement of his house? He'd claimed he tried to commit suicide in there...sometimes that's a tell....

So do I 💞. 🙏❤️

I think pre-parental counseling should be a thing like premarital counseling. There is so much stuff that came up for me and my husband individually that could have effected our kids if we didn't do the work on ourselves first.

When my daughter was a baby, I took as many Early Childhood Education and Child Development classes at an excellent local Community College, as my single-mom subsidy allowed for. I had zero professional interest in the field (jokes on me now, as I’m gearing up to homeschool Kiddo, bc online only, is not an appropriate option for her personally), but I knew I wanted to do things differently than my parents had done. And I knew I had no idea how to go about doing that. I sat in the front row; I took notes; I asked questions; I tried to find patterns that could help me understand some of the less intuitive aspects of excellence (or even, okay-ness) in this field. For many of us, it takes a phenomenal amount of work, consistently applied over long periods of time, to break a cycle of abuse, with any kind of abuse you’ve had modeled for you exclusively, as a kid. I knew I didn’t want to yell at, shame, criticize, or scare my child, but I literally had no idea what a parenting style that didn’t revolve around these things would even look like. I was profoundly motivated to learn, bc I felt like that was the sacred promise I had made to my kiddo, when I decided to become a single mom and to grow, birth, and raise her. It still took a tremendous amount of work, and even now remains an ongoing set of maintenance action steps. It also took a lot of resources. Resources I wouldn’t have been able to access, without support, guidance, and other help. I’m not saying anything is an acceptable excuse for doing horrible things to one’s kids, AT ALL. I am saying that I believe parents need a lot more support, including practical actionable direct and specific action steps. Maybe not every parent, but probably most of us could or could have benefitted from a chance to build our knowledge and confidence, and to see what radical transformative change can look like, in real life. Anyway.

Mistress Shoshana this is a big reason why I decided not to become a mother.. it’s the biggest responsibility you could ever take on in life. I also grew up in an abusive home and have some issues because of it(tho I would never in my life abuse a child) and I also have some health issues(possibly brought on by the trauma and living in fear my entire life as a child/teen) which cause me an extreme amount of fatigue.. I just do not have the energy to put in this much effort. It’s not that I don’t want a child, I just don’t think it’d be fair to bring them into the world when I am still trying to work on myself. And that decision is being taken away from me soon anyways because I have really large fibroids and will be having a hysterectomy soon. Sometimes you also have to put aside the selfish wants and do what’s best to not bring a child into the world and I wish more people would do that especially people living in abusive relationships because I am a product of that and it had a profound negative effect on me, I’m 38 and still living with the effects of my childhood.

Carrie I do have a child, but from today’s perspective I know I should have prepared better, much better to be a mom. We truly owe it to our children to give them the safest, most loving homes possible. Thank you for your voice!

Samum 5 I think knowing that means you’re already way better off! My mother cared more about her wants tho I do think it’s important as parents to practice self care and make your needs a priority as well but my mother would leave me home alone to go get black out drunk.. not that I don’t want to exist lol but I don’t think my mom should have been a mother. I’m one of the lucky ones too because I did not turn to drugs or alcohol, I have a good marriage and a good life.. so many kids like me end up in way worse situations and bringing more children into the world and continue the cycle.

yeah or allegedly give them to a ''secret" organization that uses codenames and asks you to use burn phones and burn all traces of them. Yeah that sounds like a legit thing...I understand that there are organizations and such that protect abused from their abusers and they may change the names of the victims and such on tv or in newspapers. But the organization itself WOULD be registered somewhere. If his story is true-which I don't believe- then this organization sounds more like sex trafficking gang. People like that often pose as some sort of 'organization' or charity. Heck lesser scammers tend to do that. Tell people they're collecting money for a good cause or whatnot and then take the money and vanish into thin air.

Any parent who wants to PROTECT their children.... Wouldn't give them to strangers! Why not his own parents if he were so innocent! He's guilty!

Exactly, he murdered those little boys. He's as full of it as a bull's ass. Those poor children!

Yes! I agree this should be way more put out there this is bullshit!

The sickest part of this is that she gets so much slack because "she's a mom" and "she's a woman". She's a fucking predator and those kids should have been adopted by a responsible family member.

C. Watson totally agree. If she were a man a judge wouldn’t say her rape of a child was irrelevant in a custody case.

That is disgusting. How could anyone have children with her ??

lana winters I know, right. and according to most people she’s the lesser of two evils.

@@christinewatson1989 having an inappropriate relationship with a minor ,does not necessarily mean she is a danger to her own kids.Things aren't always so cut and dried.That may have been the only time she was ever attracted to a minor and against her better judgment she acted upon it.I agree because she is a woman it may be looked at differently than a man in the same situation.Probably because there may be more cases of men in such situations.Even so,a man who preys on minors may not abuse his own children.I think it depends upon each individual and their frame of mind.

Thought exactly the same. That snarky interview 'Mama' Cox and sister Shitflick gave.... 😠smfh yeah... the kids are 'safe and fine.' Okaaay! except 'dead' is not most ppls definition of 'safe and fine' though! Sick b*stards. Chris Watts mother slagging off Sha'nan and defending him- thats another one that boils my p!ss too! How can these f'd up harpies defend anyone thats harmed their own f**king grandchildren??? 😭

I had to turn the volume down her ugly voice was so shrill, prob bc she’s lying.

If this was my son I would demand to know where the children are immediately and wouldn’t put up with any of this garbage he can’t remember? , blacked out, big hole in his brain, amnesia bullsh**. I would demand answers and if they weren’t forthcoming I would not defend him and make delusional statements about the kids being fine. I would assume they were not fine, otherwise he would produce them immediately. There is no way she is really this naïve.

Lori Day bell’s mother swore her kids were fine too. Funny, she hasn’t had much to say since the bodies of those kids were found and they were not “fine.

All I could think of was cindy watts. I love my daughter with my whole heart but not to the point of denial that she is incapable of doing anything wrong in life. These mothers have such tunnel vision when it comes to their children despite how obvious it is they murdered their families

That's where my mind was going. If he's telling the truth, and that's a really big "if", then this isn't a rescue group.

Sold them because he was suffering financially and chose the believe that they are safe

But Amish communities do also take in kids for real because I live in Ohio and I’ve literally seen it myself

Heather J - True Crime I live in Ohio too and I know this happens. That being said I still don’t believe his story(s)

They absolutely do

Its been very requested!!! Its just heartbreaking

If you believe in the paranormal. The "Living Dead Paranormal" Fourman brothers did a "Chasing Evil" episode on the Skelton boys in a respectful manner

Right???

Stephanie Harlowe shockingly accurate. Narcissistic, sociopathic liars... “don’t look at me... nothing to see here”

I was getting so many flashbacks to the Josh Powell case while watching this 😥

And Casey Anthony flashbacks with the "they're with some random lady no one has ever met, you gotta believe me!"

Let’s not forget Chris Watts

Hiding them to protect them? They needed to be protected from him! He is a monster and so seems to be his parents laughing at the cameras saying the kids are fine!! Maybe his parents know where the kids are that's why they said that! I pray for those kids to be still alive ! I cannot even imagine how scared they must be and how their poor mother must feel.

Protect them??? But try to kill him self

Like Lori Vallow said JJ was ‘safe and happy’

If you watch the video of him as his own attorney in the divorce court, he taunts her by asking' how she felt without her son's'? Dude is a pure demon!

That’s exactly it. He see’s those boys as his property - he owns them. And nobody is going to take his sons from him. He doesn’t even feel remorse for killing them. He thinks it is completely justified.

There’s a name for that....filicide. It’s just awful that some people choose this route when the children are the most innocent of all in their parents’ problems.

@@kimberlyhood4095 I will have to check it out.

@@wordsleuth992 very typical of a narcissist and possible psychopath.

Im sure you’re an amazing mother!!

@@StephanieHarlowe Ahhhh, thank you so much!

Oh my god! Those poor boys, sold by their mother 😞

I agree. Allegedly

Stephanie Harlowe but don’t come for her

@@StephanieHarlowe He can personally come for me all he wants, but he killed those kids and that's on facts 💔

Jennifer Whatley he’s lucky we don’t come for him. I sure as hell would if I was his mother.

Agreed. :(

The suffering of those little boys is horrific to contemplate.

Andrew was in my class, and was my friend. That was in third grade

I feel a major detail is missing in this story

Kids don’t have trauma responses, without having trauma . 100% those kids have seen something Before this all started

Yes...killing A PART of themselves that they've created...I dnt understand nd never will...dont want to

😔

Mikata Cleveland makes me sick to my stomach As I mother I could never understand it 😢

Yes!! And, to add, an adult "having sex" with a 14 year old is not sex, it's rape! Rape apologist language like that really rubs me the wrong way.

@@bogenis8240 i remember seeing CHRIS HANSEN of all people recently refer to minors as "underage women" and i just 🤦‍♀️

@@v.anessa1451 I hate that too. "Under age women" = Minors. Children. Why can't we just say what we mean and not sugarcoat or tiptoe around the words molestation/sexual assault/rape/etc. It doesn't help the survivors, if anything it hurts them...

Y A totally agree. Don’t down play the action/crime just because she’s a woman, or excuse it because of situation. She is still accountable for her offense, so don’t excuse it.

THANK YOU! My disabled son was a victim of his older cousin she was almost 15 he was 10 (looks and size of a 7 year old) and the state handled it disgustingly. Giving her a smaller sentence because they all felt sorry for her. I was and am still very upset about it. At 15 I never would have thought a 10 year old was sexually attractive especially my blood first cousin I hate the justice system

I believe when someone like this is guilty family's don't want to look bad themselves so they will go along with Iie even though they know its. So many people lie for others because they feel like its protecting their family's. So sad they don't realize that this is not good and sometimes they might not care at the moment.

Yeah and she had the audacity to say ‘i have a grandmother’s heart’ ugh all of them are guilty. The definitely know more than they’re letting on.

@@celiieBEYBEEx3 no behind b9 b no nooo n9 o

@@celiieBEYBEEx3 yeah that made my blood boil, she is NO grandmother.

My thoughts exactly! Listening to this story with him rambling “uhh... uhh..uhh” annoyed me so much. Why are they entertaining his foolishness?

Same, their pictures are still up at Walmart above the water fountains.

Agree!

I agree

@@prettyloco3788 Very sad!

Yes!!! I agree, you’ve got me word for word in my final thoughts on this case. We brain melted

@@StephanieHarlowe Love you and your channel!

Me too lol..way too hot.. curtains closed

Stay cool!! Summer is almost over 😂😂😂

Girlllll, Las Vegas just said; hold my beer. We are expecting it to get up to 108° today😭. I totally hear you on the curtains closed. Hope you're having a wonderful day ❤️

Same😭😭 37 degrees in the UK

Same the streets of the UK are flooded with lava 🤷‍♀️

Are you fr?

Well actually the age of consent in some States is twelve, horrific but true.

Dont be sorry. Youre right.

I agree. As a mother I can only think keep thinking about how devastating the situation would be losing your children. But then it flashes back that she has harmed another person child so egregiously. Like the absolute opposites of the spectrum of feelings for this woman.

I hate her but ofcourse I want justice for the children and for her to find out what happened.

I have to agree, to think that a 31 year old could rape a 14 year old is absolutely sickening and it takes a very vile person to be able to do that.

They aren’t connected things. Also, this is about justice for the boys not justice for the mom. Everyone deserves to know what happened. She’s vile, but she isn’t barred from information everyone should know.

He might want to wait till they are all 18. Or theyve been brainwashed/forgot their old life and are just living. Or they are locked up and trafficked, or dead

I mean...they're all dead, so

They are not alive unfortunately

That's exactly what I was thinking, he just came up with whatever he could put together at the time and ran with it

Sounds like a great day 👍😁

That sounds so wholesome!

😥😥😥

And unfortunately these narcissistic freaks are usually loners that confide in no/one, because they have no friends. He will never tell.

Hahhh you should check RU-vid channel called 'It's a crime', Linda is really into that deep digging mysteries, codes or various theories

I highly doubt he is that intelligent, seems like he barely made it out of grade school. But good thinking on your part!

There's a book that's been written and a documentary called Without Wax, that's a reference to what a sculpturer does or not do when they make a mistake, they fill in the mistake with wax. John also used this reference and that's why the doc and book was named that. He's book learned, wether he's gone to college or not he's intelligent.

I wouldn’t use the word delight when it comes To a story about three little boys that lost their lives...

@@jezzybillings6625 Yikes, no, ofc not, that's not what I meant. I just wanted to compliment her storytelling. I didn't mean to offend, I apologize.

Glorified sperm donor is what the cockroach is

@@bernadiceraich9831 you got the news!🤨

Or a man

A murderer ?

I didn’t get that feeling that she was tolerant. She just didn’t want to take away from the story she was telling. The woman did time and is a registered sex offender.

thank you!! I love Stephanie and I know she said she "has a hard time with" people referring to the relationship as consensual, but let's call it what it is if that's the case. She raped that boy. I don't like the language of "she has sex with a ." Doesn't sit right with me.

That's not what this case is about. Her husband knew perfectly well what she'd done, he was okay with it for many years and had three children with her. She's not perfect, she committed a terrible crime, but she's not the one who stole and most likely murdered the three children.

Elena Proskuriakova that still doesn’t change the fact that she wasn’t referred to as exactly what she is: a rapist. She didn’t just “commit a crime”, she raped a child. If you have seen the way Stephanie has handled and spoken about rapists in the past, the way she spoke about this rapist was way more forgiving and minimizing in tone. It’s just really off-putting to me.

That chapter did one on shanna. That was insane

Same. Its so sad and disturbing

Aww, Sweetie. I'm so sorry.

I just lost my first baby three weeks ago, I am so sorry for you 💔 Child abuse/ Murderers make my stomach literally turn .

I'm sorry. This hurts my heart. These boys, no child deserves this.

I also think he didn’t want to pay child support. He had already wound up in jail for back child support. He knew damn well he couldn’t afford three more.

@@Dontcarebear33 BINGO!!

His mom, I dislike after that footage, but I can totally see her just *needing* to believe that's the truth

@damselcausingdistress 81 forgiving her is not the same as thinking she's innocent, and the grandmother was worried. Very worried

@damselcausingdistress8164 George and Lee are the only ones I feel sorry for other than Caley. Imagine growing up and living with two raging narcissists one of whom is a pathological liar who you know lies all the time about everything, but you Can't challenge her because Cindy will lose her shit on you for having the audacity to blemish her perfect family crap. And Cindy has no one to blame but herself. She played a significant part in turning Casey into a narc and manipulator and she only realized how much she screwed her up once she figured out that her granddaughter was dead and her daughter lied to her about it for weeks with zero guilt. Of course she forgives Casey, she knows that her shitty parenting is largely to blame and she just can't admit it outright. George was her first victim, then Casey and Caylee would have been next. And poor Lee, every time I read something or watch something about this case I tend to forget he's a part of this family at all.

And at the hands of someone you deeply trusted?? Devastating!

Skelton

@@poleen000 oops my phone auto corrected me hence the spelling error. Motorola doesn't know surnames are not grammatically correct. Thanks for telling me. It was in the early hours of the morning probs 4am which is when I start watching crime for the day so I was probably half asleep too. No excuse really but I meant no disrespect. 😪

Yes, that stood out to me as well- the way he worded it made it seem more like 'they didn't see it coming'...

Ikr! The question called for a simple yes or no answer

He's telling the truth i feel like, at least regarding the noose. It struck me as well, the way he said it, the takeaway for me is that he murdered the boys, but didn't use the noose.

The cops said he had a search for Arsenic poisoning and neck breaking on his computer

Right, never saw it because he came from behind…sad

❤️❤️❤️ I hope I do

Justice is delayed but not denied. Nobody absolutely nobody gets out of this life without paying for the sins that stain their soul like this. We might not get to see it delivered but it will happen.

lol, probably so.

Yes, that's statutory rape.

Definitely rape. I hate when people downplay sexual assault on young men. 🙄 like if the man was older woman was younger there would be no grey area for people.

I agree, but at least the teen is probably less traumatized because at the time he thought it was what he wanted.

@@megmcguireme That's true, in that I'm sure it's not more traumatic than violent rape. But then I've heard that a lot of people who were raped or molested as kids but who didn't see it that way at the time have a hard time coming to grips with it when they come to understand what happened later. It's sort of delaying the trauma. Plus, you got to figure that that kid got mixed up with things he shouldn't have way too early, so he probably ended up getting into other destructive or risky behaviors as a teen. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he got into drugs.

@@lilyw.719 I was molested as a child and didn't come to terms with it until I was an adult. I honestly can't say if I'm glad I didn't deal with it until I was more mature or if I wish I'd gotten help as a child. But if I'd had a choice like this boy at least I would feel safe sleeping, maybe I wouldn't be so scared. Every case is different obviously, so I have no idea how he feels.

Seriously...just a goose chase at this point...its so sad that he would rather be in jail and not be around his boys than to just cough up where the kids are at??? In danger? So giving your kids to total strangers isnt dangerous????

Same. I think I would End up in prison for putting my husband 6 feet under 🔫🗡️⚰️

Flaca .B I’d just melt him in lime 😂😂

@@Flaca.602 seriously though. I couldn't imagine