@@matiasdelatorreoverton3612 The Hussar sabers for shure, were much more practical and useful in those times, during of multiple wars all around Poland.
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Another great video and very detailed and informative review of the two sabres. I acquired the Cold Steel Polish sabre a while ago and am generally very happy with it. It's definitely quite aesthetically pleasing, more so than the ordinary, more historically accurate models. It also has a good balance a decent cutting edge. However, I would definitely agree with you that the custom made hussar sabre is superior, due to its design features, lighter weight, better guard, thicker spine (or parrying edge) and the fact it's customised to your personal needs and preferences. Would you be able to reveal the name of the blacksmith or shop you ordered the sabre from? Many thanks for your help
Thank you my friend! The best point of contact for the blacksmith is his Facebook page "Historical Arms Workshop". I personally think the Cold Steel model is perfect as a functional szabla in an affordable price range. Not everyone with an interest in Polish saber can make the financial commitment to an expensive one.
@@jiskodadski3208 Thank you. That's good to know. I agree with you - you don't need to spend a fortune on an expensive sabre. On the other hand, if you are really into it and can afford it, then why not. History is a fascinating subject and so is fencing and collecting swords.
considering the winged hussars armour was lavish and ornate, the cold steel saber would fit beautifully with winged hussar armour, i have mine on display with my replica armour set
@@jimmin190 You're welcome. I guess if you are passionate about these saber, then it's expensive but not out of the question. I remember being younger an putting thoasand in 1990s dollars worth of audio in my old Mercedes, unfortunately the car didn't make it to this day.
Every time I face a quandary like: is this one item better then the other? Obviously yes, but is it 3x better? Usually the answer is no...its funny how once you get to a certain level of functionality vs cost, the diminishing returns really kick in and you start paying a lot for little improvements.
A one inch difference in length and tighter fitting guards can decrease enertial drag from acceleration in all axis of movement.. I am surprised cold steel got it so close but the steel used is less than perfect though it seems tough. And what I mean by tighter fittings is the guard is closer to the hand, the arc it moves is lessar than the cold steel. Both are very agreeable blades ! The taper also decreases enertial drag, even though both blades center balances near same point. It's the physical facts that makes those subtle differences..
Couldnt find the blacksmith you mentioned unfortunately. I think like with many things it depends on how you use it i imagine they both have some nice advantages.
Ah this is a video I have been waiting for, a good comparison on the cs szabla and a real polish one. Both are very nice but the custome made.one is the one I would take 😀 Thanks for sharing with us and keep up the good work 😉
@@jiskodadski3208 It depends on the extent of the damage, but with the minuscule thicknesses of steel toward the edge, it’s not a lot. As someone who has fixed damage on large knives and swords, I can say that the weight lost is insignificant. A few grams at most. It would literally take years of constant resharpening to notice any significant weight loss of a sword this size.
I don't know which one you are talking about? True not many people like the Cold Steel one however the other is hand made from a highly recommended Polish black smith, you want to tell him he doesn't make Polish sabres?😂😂😂😂
Great that the Polish smith included the false edge. Every time ColdSteel releases a sabre model that is supposed to be Hungarian, they never have one. Backhanded cuts are a big part of the Hungarian fencing style.
so called "polish sabre" came to Poland with hungarian king Batory, at first taht type of saber was called "Batorówka (Batoroovka)" or Węgierka (Magiar sabre)
Somehow I missed this amazing juxtaposition when it first came out. Really great job. The Hussar saber handles like a dream and is more refined with detailed geometries in both the hilt components and the blade. The edge geometry contribute a lot to the weight distribution of the sword and the handling. I thank you for this detailed showcase and of course the comparison of both swords' distal taper! Congratulations on the new acquisition!
Thank you for you kind words! I am glad you enjoyed. For sometime now, I was curious how coldsteel compared to an expensive hand made sword of comparable model and I thought others might be aswell.
Dziękujemy. I don't know if the differences in handling you tried to show were intentionally enhanced, but those looked absolutely striking. The real-deal saber seemed like an angry hornet, wanting to sting you at the first opportunity. Positively scary. Pozdrawiam serdecznie.
I didn't actually exaggerate the difference. Once I start using the finger squeezing technique, Cold Steel is far less responsive. I wasn't sure if that difference, which is really felt by the user, would be visible to the viewer entirely. It's great to hear from you that it come across so clearly and dramatically 😀
I can't help but notice every critique of the cold steel saber in comment sections fail to mention that the sword is a fraction of the cost to custom sabers. In that regard alone, It's a great sword for the price point.
Its really not a great sword for the price point, windlass, is a great sword for the price point, cold steel swords are set to sell at 6x the price but second hand retailers like amazon realise they wont sell at the markup so they sell them close to price point. Which is to say, theyre selling you a fifty dollar sword for 500 dollars and amazon sold it to you at 200 dollars, but its still a shoddy 50$ sword
You mention aesthetics on beginning. When it comes to black sabre her look is also a statement - it is done on purpose. Let me explain - if you go to museum you will see plenty of this sabres with rich engravings. Especially lighter ones like karawela or batorówki. Of course light krawela was used in duels too. The point being is that when you read diary's from that period you will find that in period where duels where common, rich people that not necessary want to search for a trouble carried this more engraved ones, lighter ones. Hussar sabre was tool of work not an wardrobe addiction. And black hussar saber meant trouble. Think wild west, plenty carried guns, some did it in a way that showed they like to sling it. Great movie, like it.
You can adjust the thumb ring on the cold steel sabre by putting a squeeze clamp and gently clapping down on the ring. Just make sure you support the langet on the other side with a piece of wood that's the same thickness to stop you deforming it. Worked on mine.
@@eddypan8 If I was going to file mine, I would be tempted to take some of the mid spine to give it a prominent yelman. Might compromise strength though doing it that way.
Interesting. I like that the polish one has a thumb ring wich is both protective and allows you more fluid movements as you can rest the weight of the sword partially on the thumb. But at the blade itself i prefer the hungarian one because of the axe head and less curved ones especially. The slightly heavier head mede me more comfortable the swinging. Much like the sword drag itself forward. Also i like the comback moves with the back edge on the tip. So i maybe put a thumb ring on mine. Keep up brother 🇭🇺❤️🇵🇱
Thank you brother. I agree with you. Also my next saber is going to be a Hungarian with the wide guard and no thumb ring. I will certainly make a video once I have it.
Yes. They are not stainless steel so after use, they need to be cleaned and oiled to not get the black dots. You can also polish off the black dots if they develop.
@@jiskodadski3208 so is it a kind of non danger corrosion? I have recently bought a saber and also see some small “dots”, so I am curious about this. It seems like almost every sabers from RU-vid reviews have these “dots”
Hey man, at 4:05 you mention that the blacksmith took a measurement of your hand. Just wondering where that measurement was taken (I'd assume across the palm?) and how that relates to the grip length. Grip length is something I'm really struggling to find info on, for these swords.
Yes. You are correct about the measurement taken across the palm. The Hussar saber is meant to fit snuggly in the hand. The Hungarian style without the knuckle bow have a handle longer than the hand. The technique for use without the knuckle bow in both attack and defense requires more room for the hand to move. While both Hussar and Hungarian are often called "Polish saber", there is a slight difference in the grip technique and therefore the size of the grip. Hungarian grips also tend to curve while Hussar grips are usually straight, again this make sense when the techniques are known. Perhaps the confusion is people not separating the two styles and giving different answers for the grip length of "Polish saber".
The thumb in the loop looks awkward af and cruising for hand injury vs hard targets. Please tell me that not how they're meant to be. My illusions of these being cool swords is so shattered.
Not sure how one would get an injury from the thumb ring? But yes this is historically accurate. Some German swords also had thumb rings too. I have cut Tatami with thumb ring sabers with no problems whatsoever. My sparring saber has a thumb ring grip too and also has never caused any injuries. Not exactly sure what you mean.
@@KF1 It definitely limits you to gripping it in a handshake or a hammer style grip, so if you prefer having the thumb runningstraight along the back of the hangle, then it would be a problem. I guess as I have never used this grip, it feels fine to me. As there is variation in styles of szabla and many of them had no thumb ring, many historically agreed with you also. If ever you get the chance, try handling one irl and let me know what you think.
Very nice post. I think that (perhaps) we should look at both sabers from the context of use. To my understanding the Hussar saber was being used while the user is mounted on the horse, which explains why the tip is taller to absorb the slash force multiplied by the speed instead of a thrusting as necessary in ground fight. Non the less, I appreciate your work and dedication to the subject. Dziekuje bardzo i pozdrawiam z Kaliforni
I don't like the look of the CS saber. The decorations look like an afterthought and done poorly. I'd rather have it plain in that case. Personally I own a CS snamshir. It's a good saber, but the fittings are real bad to the point that you can injure your hands and the grip is too long and slippery. I had to wrap it to make it the saber it should have been.
@@jiskodadski3208 I really recommend that you inspect it before purchase. The _faux buffalo horn_ is actually a heavy duty plastic, probably high density polyethylene (like cutting boards). The problem is that it was poured onto the tang and cross guard and pressed into shape. In my case, the guard is tilted and flush on one side and protruding on the other, which injured my hand to the point I was bleeding. Moreover, the black paint and bronze coating are of very poor quality and partially reveal the original surface. I can also make out the original production markings (windlass India) which CS files off and replaces by their label (really scummy, if you'd ask me, but CS is known for this)
@@edi9892 Thank you for the warning! I probably won't get a coldsteel shamshir. Silkfencing sell steel swords both for hema sparring and sharp for cutting. They have a shamshir but also I would like a szabla from them too. I think that I was lucky to have only invested in the Polish saber from coldsteel and none of their other swords as it, along with their British saber, seems to be the better made out of their sword range.
While the topic is interesting , never have Polish tribes pre independence nor after neighboured Hungarian tribes or independent Hungary, the influence of the Austrian/Hungarian familial ancestry to create an Empire/Commonwealth was short lived to the cultural differences was short lived in modern history nothing more than a land grab, Hussars were heavy cavalry so the emphasis is on horse back & not romantics, a part of historical tactics of the time, a lot less manpower to quell civilian & rural rebellion & uprisal (protest) due to living standards & ruling class, Dinkye/Дякую, А то будє брєд сївої кобили 🍻😉🙂
Would be interesting to get your feedback after a couple hours of mods from a bladesmith on the CS saber... making it a bit thinner at the tip, maybe deepening the fullers a bit, reforming the thumb ring, maybe closing up the knuckle guard a bit. As most production sword, they can be seen as a pre-made dough, not a finished pie. That is still a cheap price for a 90% completed saber!
Hmmm, that is quite a good idea. Unfortunately I don't have any blacksmiths nearby and posting from my location internationally and then paying for shipping back would come close to the price of the sword.
The best place to contact him is on his Facebook page: Historical Arms Workshop. I thought their 1796 was one of their better pieces, at least that is what some others have commented, but I guess you know what they are really like.
The fact that you are comparing the Cold Steel to a custom made saber says a lot. I just got one and am pleased with it for my purposes; Mostly display and learning basic moves. Thank you for your review and passion. I just hope my wife doesn't "borrow" it for her Tai Chi practice.
I am glad you enjoyed and it's good to hear that you are learning the basics. You could always find a decent cheap Chinese straight sword to distract your wife haha.
I don't properly speak Polish fully yet, but yes this is a szabla and the plural is szable. I always assumed that I was half Polish half Australian, however after doing my DNA it turns out that I am roughly 2/3 Polish and 1/3 German. I am interested in history too, so it is good to hear from you.
Cool I was I adopted when I was very young but my mother (adoptive mom) told me I have biological relatives that speak polish I just don't remember meeting them because this was over 30 years ago.
Hello, brat szlachcic! Very nice video review! I've been lucky to get one just like that today. Where did you learn about techniques and historical context? I'd love to learn more
Thank you brother! I have done online lessons with Silkfencing, watched a lot of videos of other practioners and done a little reading my self. Years ago, I was lucky enough to learn many Chinese weapons while holidaying in Asia, but whilst some principles carry over, the execution of cuts was different. I will be hoping to make it to Poland in person sometime this year. Congratulations on getting yourself a Polish saber. We have been busy all holidays doing work on our house, so we haven't posted much, but I hope to get back to making videos this weekend. I am not a professional but if there is anything that I can help you with, just let me know.
@@jiskodadski3208 Thank you so much, I really appreciate your detailed response. And I'm certainly subscribed and eagerly waiting to see more videos coming!
Well the cold steel is milled in India and china depending on the style so the polish made one is going to be better hands down no matter what. CS also doesn't do quality control so there's that too. CS is kind of a joke the the sword world. Outrageous claims and destruction videos and the final product a customer gets is completely different from what is shown. Cold steel, Darksword armory, deepeeka, windlass( though they have a better rep than the rest) are all really crappy, overpriced sword like objects.
@TheMasterofThe Universe Cheap junk made in Poland? Lol, did you go out of your way to find the worst blacksmith you could, and now you are complaining? You want to tell me that swordsmiths like Ensifer, Swordmaker (Maciej Kopciuch), Szymon Chlebowski, Tomasz Piwowarski, Łukasz Sowa and finally Tomek Kowmal make swords of shitty quality?! Ensifer feders are pretty much the gold standard for HEMA practitioners.
@TheMasterofThe Universe Yeah, I'm afraid that if you're Polish then "affordable sword" exists only as a theoretical concept. It is true that there are plenty of "craftsmen" who sell junk. But that is true for every country. You just can't expect to get a decent sword for less than 200 - 300 dollars. Good ones only start from $500. But again, it has nothing to do with Poland. I sincerely doubt you can find anything cheaper anywhere else. Asian swords, especially Japanese, are an exception since their popularity in the US made the market very competitive thus the prices are low. I only managed to grab one decent sword, type X(Petersen), for a bit less than 400 PLN from Szymon Chlebowski. It was more than a decade ago though and the first sword he sent me was atrocious. Thankfully when I sent it back, Szymon replaced it with a much better one.
Who is the best polish saber maker by your opinion? In terms of using by pro fencers ( it's means correct balance and durability for parry),and using good steel (for good edge retention)?
I had to learn the specific techniques doing online classes. Hopefully later this year or early next year will will be travelling to Poland to continue in person.
