@@Johnsmith-me7dr athleticism is athleticism, if you don’t jump high, you don’t jump high, if you’re broad jump is short, it’s short. If can’t do a lot of pull-ups, you can’t do a lot of pull-ups. Athleticism can always be compared no matter what sport you play.
For those that don’t understand hockey or never played collegiate or higher…stop comparing it to football. Apples and oranges. The training isn’t the same nor are the skill sets. Hockey requires hours of cardio daily and the sport is none stop. Football has only 11min of actual game play with constant stops during the game.
The average NFL play is 4-7 seconds at full out effort, followed by a 40 second break. Hockey is not non-stop. The average NHL shift is 47 seconds, at a lesser intensity, followed by a 2.5 minute break. Both sports are defined by short bursts of energy combined with a recovery time. I played both at a competitive level and they both have far more in common than people who only play 1 (or neither) may realize.
@@jackshyt9412 I understand that. Very true. But the manner in which they are practicing agility in this video is almost pointless when they can’t even stop and start properly
First of all, directly out of high school, if not high school age, second their goal isn’t to be big dumb guys who just charge at each other, they need to be more agile than pretty much any other sport and requires more technical skill than anything, unlike some other sports where if you’re big you’re automatically good, the hand-eye, IQ, and balance in this sport is one of the top out there, it’s a lot more skill based is your answer instead of being tall
@@draw0833 Im half joking but come on, its a well known thing that if you're tall and huge and you play football at even a semi football level people are drooling for you
@@tavarechavez388 exactly so thats my points, you cant shit on a sport that uses something completely different, hocke requires a lot more agility and tactical strength in forearms, triceps, core, using a lot more muscles, you don't really have to workout every little muscle when playing football
the machine measures the speed of the bar. it tests youre explosive power. its not about reps or weight. they have a standard weight for everyone and they test how fast you can move the bar. its a much better test than the nfl how many reps you can get test
@@SevenCostanza Yes. Notice how pretty much his whole upper body comes off the bench for a split second while he does that. It's to test explosive strength. Something I know very well since I can't do explosive activities like this when I work out due to an injury.
@@SevenCostanza at a lower level yes but a dude who can bench 500+ pounds like some lineman wouldnt move the bar much faster than a dude who could bench like 300
My knees won’t even let me do 30 squats. The last time I tried to do 10, I was almost in tears. The next few days were torture and could barely walk (as you did). Good job starting and trying. From past experience, it is always harder to start and it gets easier over time. 👍
I do them with a weight vest and a medicine ball that I throw against the wall and catch on my way back up. It's pretty intense and sometimes I get lightheaded if I do too many without stopping. I'm pretty sure it's because I'm not breathing properly after a few cause it does start to hurt and I have a tendency to hold my breath at that point. I'm also sure my knees will give out one day I've been pretty rough on my body since childhood. 🥵
I'm going to create opportunities for the hundreds and thousands of people out there who don't have the opportunities these kids have to make it into the sports teams they grew up watching. Think of all the hidden talent out there, undiscovered players that would destroy any current and past that ever lived.
Fellow hockey people don’t be stubborn! Hockey is a very multi faceted game, which leads to athletic attributes not being the main success predictor, whereas football, that’s basically all that matters, so it only makes sense football players would have to be freak athletes compared to us (and everybody else). A hockey player also has to allocate his time to working on all kinds of technique aspects so they barely maximize athletic potential. Also you can be really good at hockey just based off your mind alone, so you get players at a high level who never had to be athletic to succeed
So did any of these ridiculous tests indicate that he was going to be a fantastic goal scorer? Let’s compare him to the person who did the best on these tests and see how that guy did in the league
A non athletic, but technically proficient "goal scorer" will not be able to make ends meet competing against the best of the best in terms of athleticism in a team sport like the NHL, You need a balance of both. Its also why Sports are a much higher level each generation, the science behind testing and acquiring the best of the best gets more and more fine tuned. Compare old Olympic footage versus today.
Most high-school kids still probably couldn't do it. And the NFL combine anyone can do too. Minus the carving of the ball, but it could still be done so I don't get your point. You also can't comment on ut uf you don't even understand the sport or what this is for
I’m a hockey guy and must say I’m embarrassed at how other hockey people try to defend hockey combines lol there is no disputing that football players are way crazier physically. Hockey is a sport where technique and brain can make up for a lot of athletic lack
High caliber 17 year old football players are worlds better athletes then these guys. Hockey players have a skill set, iq and different abilities hand/eye, shooting to make up for physical limitations.
The Habs didn't get swept by Tampa. They lost in 5, which is slightly better for them. Tampa was just superior in every way. Can't fault them for that. The Habs have a bright future for sure. And Caufield already did more than Marner and Matthews in the 2021 playoffs lmao
I seen a lot of people comparing this to NFL. A big reason Hockey players are much smaller than football players is because a football player only really needs to focus on 1 aspect of their sport and get really good at that 1 thing like throwing or blocking. Hockey players need to be experts at every aspect of the sport, skating, power, shooting, defending etc. while also needing to be a smart player, which I think is more important than strength. Hockey also requires much more cardiorespiratory endurance than football, seeing as on ice players are sprinting for about a minute, then resting for 2 or 3 and football plays last for 10 seconds with a minute long break in between. Hockey players need to be lighter on average to keep up with everyone else, not be able to bench-press more than them. If you have played or even watched high level hockey, you would know the best players are the ones who are always moving their feet. if you weigh 240 lbs you wont be able to keep up that pace for more than a single period.
What does any of this have to do with hockey hahahaha. Football is done on a feild basketball on a court how is hockey not done on ice to test things they'll actually do
Combines are a reflect of the athletecism of a person. In hockey, it is a small part of the actual game. The strongest guy doesn’t mean the best shot. Fastest one doesn’t mean the best skater. These kid are 17 yo by the way.
It is pretty easy, it’s just to measure your ability in certain things, it’s not entirely meant to test you to your limits, because that’s not what you look for in hockey
I played basketball in high school, All my buddies played junior B hockey, Some Junior C and a few Junior A. I could run faster than all them, Lifted more in the gym. And could handle them all to boot. I should have played hockey, As a boy it was to expensive. I had a 37 inch vertical, Could bench 265 for reps. I ended up taking up golf and I am a single digit cap in 2 yrs.
Interesting to see the difference with the nfl combine(this is my first time seeing an nhl combine) and at first it doesn’t look impressive at all(my first thought was how skinny these people are lol), but then seeing how they push themselves to achieve their goals is impressive, once laced up as well oh boy totally different story 🔥
also have to consider most nhl kids are 17-18 when entering the draft while nfl are already in their 20s. football players are definitely bigger but but hockey players don’t need to bulk up as much as nfl players do. too amazing sports
Hockey requires hours of cardio and skating per day. The sport is none stop. Football only has 11min of actual play and short intervals of running. You’re clueless
Think of it like this. What happens to NFL draftees if they have to play both sides of 🏈? Do their numbers go up or down ? Are they more or less athletic now? And less subs and less breaks in between plays.
@@MbisonBalrog Fitness - “the condition of being physically fit and healthy” | Athleticism - “the combination of qualities (such as speed, strength, and agility) that are characteristic of an athlete”
@@yxng_mosccco1582 I wouldn't say less tbh. The guys before weren't too bug minus the enforcers. And even the star players are buf and strong compared to most people. Even Auston Matthew's. Him and Crosby for example have huge legs and are pretty built. I mean Crosby is 5'10 and he's about 215.
That bench press is the dumbest thing ive seen, thats how you mess up your elbows locking out that fkn fast. I know its barely any weight on the bar but still
I wouldn`t say he is still the best player. The game has changed. Players have less points and goals not because there is less talent but because the position of goalie has greatly evolved.
First of all that’s not 125 and second they aren’t measuring his bench they’re measuring the force that he can push the The weight off at which is why he is so aggressive with it in the bands are attached
@@scottiebarnes7417 Ok and is there a shred of evidence it matters in any way? By that logic Connor McDavid should have had the best score ever and I guarantee you he did not. Did Austin Matthews score 40 goals in 50 games because he can bench 80lbs faster than everyone else? Lol 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ smh smh smh smh
@@axe2grind772 have you lost your mind? UPPER BODY EXPLOSIVE POWER! Not how explosive of a skater you are🤦🏼♂️those are two entirely different things. Smh
The bench press test in hockey is only tracking explosiveness with 50 % of the body weight. This guy is like the smallest in the nhl but some guy can bench really heavy
Yup weak for sure. Thats why they're throwing eachother around and smashing into eachother and fighting all the time. Definitely never seen a high-level hockey dressing room or been near a high level hockey athlete.
@@gregkent4885 I’m not agreeing with saying they are weak I’m just saying he probably thinks these guys are in their 20’s when they aren’t. I play tier 2 juniors and played tier 1 youth
Even as a 44 year old I would crush these kids in this combine and put up video game god mode numbers....but I have never played hockey....or come to a complete stop skating without falling. In fact the most I know about hockey is watching Letterkenny.
@@username8644 the fact that you can’t see the setup to the entire joke is frightening. With that said that is still no excuse for age. They want to be professional athletes-they better bring it and train harder than yesterday, everyday. An all-star enforcer isn’t going to give two shits above some kid being only 17 or 18 or 30. If they aren’t strong enough or fast enough or good enough they are going through the boards.
@@davidhooper259 put big numbers in the gym or play the actual sport that requires skill over brute strength... and enforcers are pretty much a thing of the past the big guy standing still at middle ice while the other team scored became more of a problem than an advantage
@@jeanjacques9365 you’re proving my point. Big lifts or some arbitrary drill doesn’t mean how good that athlete is on the field of play. Kevin Durant could bench 135lbs even once prior to the NBA combine yet how many MVP trophies and Finals rings does he have? Combines are terrible measurements of talent and how well they are going to work as a team player.
