Colorism (light skin/dark skin) is discussed on the Phil Donahue Show (1988) 

This is true though. You aren’t blind

Grow in a Dominican neighborhood and come back to me.

I'm a multiracial afro Latino and dark skin is looked down for both the men and women in our community I guess it depends on where you live because Africa loves dark skin

@@fashionholic98free7if Africans love dark skin so much why are they bleaching their skin. Skin Bleaching is a multibillion dollar industry

Agreed.

AGREE

It’s relevant because the self hatred in black people is ingrained and profound.

Jeez!😢

OK! And look at how "Phillip" be knowing some stuff about our people. Honestly!

I believe it will still be relevant 30 years from now. We have some deep-rooted social issues in this country when it comes to race and the necessary conversations

Im happy that black women have started to gatekeep and don't want biracial or multiracial categorized with them, but I think back then if you wanted to claim multiracial you were considered trying to distance your self from the comunity. When the truth is this woman didn't want to distance, she just wanted to embrace the Native American too. I also back then, if you were black and "other" there was a demand to ignore the other (i.e. native american, asian, etc.)

They missed her war cry,, and the thing is everyone don't let me generalize in the audience light dark all shades had a black mother..... white mothers tend to raise their children white until the world tells them otherwise. I feel it's a lack of not equipping them to how the world will perceive them...and who cares what the world thinks however if youe child is confused and not stable in their indentiy especially with the heavy load of racism in America. It's going to effect the child. Because the audience can't indentify with having a white mother they blew over it, I wish there was more unpacking for her...

@@blessgodess5146 AGREE....WHAT YOU SAID IS WHAT DOJA CAT IS GOING THRU...RASIED BY WHITE MOM LIVED WHITE UNTIL THE HATE CAME....

@@f.n.246 I AGREE CUZ THIS IS WHAT RAPPER LATTO WENT THRU....PEOPLE BITCHED BECUZ SHE CALLED HERSELF MULATTO AND THEY FELT SHE AS BRAGGING ABOUT HER MIXED RACE SHE WENT TO JUST LATTO......I HAVE A MIXED CHILD AND SHE REPS BOTH HER PARENTS....

@@vashtikelly6837 Yes, some do discriminate because of her heritage. Their main issue is the term “mulatto” and “mulatta” are discriminatory racial terms. They didn’t want promotion of that term. However if she called herself biracial they probably would have a problem with her calling herself that too because they wouldn’t understand.

😭😭🤣😭U can tell he was over these black ppl tho

Nope, he was thoroughly engaged..speak for yourself

Thoroughly ?ihate to see how u pay attention cuz this was not it,I’m not judging it was funny I can only imagine a room full of 100 passionate ppl who all have something to say but only have 30secs to talk running around @70yrs old😭🤔😭😭because he the had to to still talk plus the actual guest and the ppl who called in,and u can also tell he really didn’t have a opinion because he’s a white man those issues didn’t affect his life most of the time he was looking like “these ppl want to just complain “ cmon now he comes from the same era as the one drop rule so I highly doubt he didn’t participate in the racism🤷🏾‍♀@@NubianQueen100

@@NubianQueen100right…🤦🏾‍♀️

Is that all you’ve got from this? His energetic scurrying around his audience to get a mic to them? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I totally agree. I am from Trinidad I live in the US and I’m what they call a callaloo. That’s because I am mixed with soo many different races. I was raised by my grandmother since my mother migrated when I was a toddler. She was white, Hispanic and East Indian but since I’m here I have to totally deny her because people look at me and say I’m black. My grandfather was a black man and I never even knew him. She was my everything and to deny her lineage in me is crazy.

​@@CtmorgansHispanic is not a race.

🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🤦‍♀🤦‍♀They said what they said u ain’t learn nothing from this video @@kisha4040

The question then becomes how do we define this.

Well who defined the words black African American,Latinos,Irish,etc?@@CC-pu6qn

She wasn’t necessarily ahead of her time. race is a social construct that is meant to separate whites from EVERYONE else. Telling people “im not black… im biracial.” Is kinda pointless. She said she wasn’t accepted by black people then when she hit 20 she realized she wanted to define herself as multiracial. What I got from that was she was experiencing discrimination from other youths. Not to say that she didn’t have it rough, but the real issue is, those black kids she was getting discriminated by were essentially… kids who lacked wisdom, maturity, and have a lot of insecurities. That doesn’t mean she isn’t black.

@@MayISpeak yes it is a social construct used to separate. But with it other devices thrive alongside it such as ethnicity & culture and a sense of identity. Her goal was not to deny her blackness. Her goal was to celebrate the 3 components that make up her racial identity all 3. She knows she is black just as much as she knows she is white. I don't believe she said she's not black as you mentioned.

@@MayISpeakthose kids also grew up accepting without their knowledge that they themselves were a affected by the hierarchical ideas of racism. This same kids that mocked her thought she had pretty hair.

@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502Those same kids internalized racism and thought she was better, that’s why she was bullied because of their insecurity.

@@CC-pu6qn they thought that she thought she was better than they. Internalized racism? What other type is there. Those children were raised in a society that deems light skin as preferential to dark skin.

When daytime TV was good and they had something to say🎉🎉

Its amazing how much tv along with everything else mainstream has devolved!

he and opra were tye ones who brought these subjects to a head

@@michelemiletich7540 I would pick Donahue over Oprah any day.

boring 💤

Always will.

Not surprising, since so many of the folks back then were in denial that the problem was as bad as it was (and still is).

Alot of issues will last throughout human existence.

Not to this extent

I agree. The hate against multiracial people is disgusting. Not all mixed race people are a result of something horrible like slavery, r**e or abuse. Most of the time, mixed race children are the result of strong, genuine love that has endured despite all of the crap society has thrown at them. Life is easy if you have a relationship with someone who looks like you. The real test of love is if you stay together and love eachother despite everyone hating you and wanting you to fail.

But this was a real issue back then. I was denigrated by more Blacks for being mixed than anyone else in the 80s and 90s.

Lately, sure. Historically? No.@@coolbreeze5683

This thread shows folks here reality...She has to take the good the bad the privilege it all goes hand & hand.. Whites like to complain about so called reverse racism but not the privileges...You have to take the good with the bad,it is what it is!@

@@coolbreeze5683yep

Same!! I love seeing the feedback and different depths /angles to whichever topic - are there other shows similar to his?

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Me Too, I miss this whole ara of talk shows from back then!

lmao!

I agree but it's better in my opinion.

It wont help

​@@Indigal There are a lot of ate-up narcissists (majority of yite people), who would not be able to endure it today because any truth hurts them. If it's about actual reality, they (the narcs) can only bring their non-reality where they are offended by everything except their own evil and wickedness.

@@IndigalYou took the words right out of my mouth. Black people still to this day not only deny that the problem is as prevalent as it, but they also deny that it’s the responsibility of black folks to fix it. They’re still praying, wishing, waiting, and hoping for their oppressor to have a heart and take his foot off of their necks. Plain dumb, if you ask me.

Very much. A shame how quickly she was shut down and dismissed.

Sorry, No she wasn’t. She not denying her experience, but when she said that black people didn’t accept her, she was talking about youths who lack maturity and knowledge. Unfortunately she let those kids ruin her outlook on life. Wise people know that saying you are black isn’t about “denying/ignoring your other side”. It simply means you have african lineage whether u have a lot of it or less of it. Wise people know that race is a social construct made only to distinguish groups of people.

⁠@@MayISpeak yes she was ahead of her time!!!! Biracial and multi racial isn’t black 🙄🤷🏽‍♀️

@@appointedvillainy definitely agree with you and they still dismiss it today

@@LibraVibesSnice80😂

Dont forget the victim shows

People have bin hating people waaay before ur kids even existed

Straight facts!

Game shows had knowledge too..stupid reality shows, should JUST GO WWAY

Sounds like bad parenting.

Now everyone wants to be just Latinos are considered the new black I wish they can see this cuz this is what blacks looked like besides the mixed folks

You're right it's in our family's my daughter was rejected because of her dark skin, and my other daughter was fine

@@phgates6967I hope you ain’t let them people play in your kids face…..

​@@hellothere8347huh?

I’m glad to hear that

I’ll make you blacker

I can assure you that not all black people see you as black. A lot of them just don’t say anything in fear of being called divisive.

@@frenchgirl5878 I actually agree w what you said. Many blacks don’t actually see biracials as black but we say that we do bc we don’t wanna be called jealous, divisive and “worse than the white ppl”. My bf is white and he asked why black ppl see biracial ppl as black bc in his family they don’t call them that

@@frenchgirl5878 I didn’t say all black people. And that is where confusion lies; some black people get offended if biracials say they’re black and some get offended if biracials say they’re mixed. The best way to stop that confusion as biracials is to claim both sides and not care what others say or think. And same with fully black people. Don’t be afraid to say that mixed people aren’t black….they’re mixed!

Masterful

I miss this

So do I, Television is nothing like it use to be!

😂

I said the same ish😂

That's what I said

Same thing hap p ens in Latino Community😮😅

Silly

@@evelynbeveraggi8724 why is it silly?

The hatred of dark skin Is an ancient demonic evil that operates through these people. God originally created everyone black. We were made in his image. When you realize this (what the bible states) it starts to make sense why things are the way they are. They... the (colonizers) colonized/slaughtered males mated with darker populace of females and intentionally bred the black skin out of many of these regions causing all these mixed people/lighter skinned versions of each race for thousands of years. They created colorisms and caste systems. The damage is done and nobody points the finger at white people. The entire thing is because of them. The truth is hidden from people. But when you look at every nation there are still the original black/unmixed populations remaining. From Asia to East Africa (Aka "the middle east" to India, Latin America, Oceania to North Africa and Polynesia. All of these countries were originally darker skinned. Arabs used to be black people. Now look at them. They're mixed and white pretty much in 2023. This is how they (colonizers) were able to conquer the races. By washing away the black from these regions. And getting many to hate on the African blacks.

Baby this is about black ppl yes it’s always skin color but we’re talking about something different I wish non black ppl would stop trying to take away from us smh

True. There are some that still cling to a warped society's opinion as to what is beautiful. Though, I say they are a minority today regarding colorism. The new damage... destruction by self- prophesy via the sellout/slave music. What is the doctrine of Balaam...

As a gen z, bringing this up to older black people ends up in a conversation about me personally being insecure which is very untrue. My mother is light brown, and my grandmother was a light skin. My grandmother and mother made me feel good about being brown/dark however talking to my mom, she cannot process the fact that it’s not about whether a boy likes me, it’s about how I am treated and discriminated against just as if it were Jim Crow dealing and dealing with prejudices White people. I do place differentiations on white passing, mixed race, and visible blackness because there are layers of privilege to each variant of lightness, however it all boils down to their attitudes. Pretending like colorism isn’t a problem instantly makes me dislike you and victimizing oneself and demonizing others for being oppressed is downright disgusting. You can acknowledge being mistreated and picked on without discrediting the truth. The reason light skinned and light skinned mixed race people get push back is because of oppression, because they feel inferior, not because they prefer darker skin. They see you as the villain and in someways you have to stand your ground but make them realize that you aren’t the enemy.

lol yes, ppl had opinions in the Dark Ages too. 😁

Amen. But here in america ytz n blks hste each other so much that mix ppl no matter the amount. U a r judge on skin. N blks hate light colors pll no matter what. Bc ytz are more acceptable of them bc ppl see mix ppl as soft n docile. Which they are far from.

Aloha

And that is just the way it should be

Multicultural uniculture lol

​@@joltjolt5060it only makes a difference when you're NOT mixed with black smh... No one cares if you're mixed with 20 different races that are not black

Thank You

yeah she was cute with that defiant look and stance and Phil busted me up when he said he didn't want to be on her bad side (or get her mad).

Which is BS

@@apriltaurus1656 Absolutely

The “one drop” rule is pseudoscience at its worst. Human beings are 99.9% identical at the genetic level.

It's mainly white people who clinged to that rule...and enforced it in every way. It was REALITY- it affected everyone's upward mobility to be associated/affiliated with blackness, opportunities, and even physical safety. It's native to say they were "clinging" onto such a rule that was/still is in many ways) enforced by white people in every aspect of society...and a reflection of white supremacy.

They’re still clinging onto it.

Yes it just popped up in my timeliness too 😊

Mines also.

God works in mysterious ways. All credit to him ❤

Now I see why most mixed kid is sensitive I never said nothing like that to anyone smh that is crazy to tell someone what they are

One drop rule/ phenotype

The literal translation in Irish for a black person is a blue person. There are no black or white people in Ireland. Just a fun fact there 💁‍♀️

I feel ya. In my family we are all around the same tone with the exception of a few and we just never talked about skin tone. We never made fun of the dark skinned and they never expressed what they went through. So when I got older and talked to other friends I realized this is a BIG issue in the black community. A very big wake up call for me as a young adult.

Facts

Because her Caucasian ancestors have taught the US for children of Blacks and Caucasians to ignore her European heritage because they were ashamed of their bi-racial children's image.

There’s no such thing as biracial. That’s a new division whites came up with

When you pretend to be one when both that is ignoring your biracial heritage. Also white people made it so mixed with white people wouldn't acknowledge that side but only see them as black. Black people have now followed and want them to acknowledge they're black or mixed with Black

There is no such thing is “i’m not black I’m biracial.” Like what do u mean? Biracial can mean mixed with indian, chinese, native etc. Also race is a bunch of made up crap. Why are we even validating it by taking it seriously. Like I’m not saying we shouldn’t call ourselves black I’m saying its stupid to treat it like its more than just a social construct.

Lol, thinking the same..

Speak on it👏👏👏👏and every Latino is apparently black now basically any person of color This is what they wanted the erasure of black

No they haven't. There was always a mixture of the two.

@@tias.6675 you’re in denial. Open your eyes and then come back to this comment.

​@@tias.6675no they definitely have replaced us

Where?

Whats weird about the fact that clearly 30 years ago people had different views? We all know the one drop rule was prevalent back then, that's why they were grumbling. This is clearly a reflection of the time and it's interesting to see. That woman was right though and she got her wish. Mixed race people are considered their own racial group now. This topic is an evolving discussion.

Facts 🤣😂💀💯 Light skinned means both parents are black they just have lighter skin. Mixed or biracial means both parents aren’t black.

I just learned this a few years ago, haha. And I am mixed.

People still say light skin & Black as of light skin people aren’t Black as well. It’s very bizarre.

@@tinyking11yeah, but where did that light skin come from? However many generations ago, they were mixed race

@@NiKiMa023 Past Generations of mixed/non-black family members has nothing to do with the actual parents now. They are currently black just light skinned. I have white ancestry and both of my parents of fully black and brown skinned.

Big Facts! This mentality has been going on for over a 50 years now. 🤧😐💯

And it will continue to get worse.

Especially now that bbl has hit the seen lol

But when black women call it out we get gaslit and deflected. Why can’t they just be honest?

Yes but thank goodness a lot of dark skinned sisters are not hell bent on being with black men anymore ! They’re are starting to date out of the black race more and more as well 🎉❤. Every cause has a effect !

Hsir texture smd noses too People want the lips

Agreed, work with what you got.

Apparently he died of pancreatic cancer 2011 ru-vid.com/group/PLBMj8IlWJTWnedZmAPAG2B1Ulmam26INU

His life seems to be a bit of a mystery. I had to do a Google to see where some of these folks were now. Rock Newman seems to have had an interesting go

@@brotherhannibal411 oh ok. Thank you for the update.

Agreed

my great grand parents

Micro aggressions.

Bougie isn't a bad thing.

Exactly because while these men keep praising white women as better fit women, I keep hearing their biracial children say different

No

Oh there's a huge difference there! Biracial people with black versus white moms are totally different!

@@PaisleyMarie80 as a biracial male with a Black mom ( continental african one ) .i can attest that there is a huge difference in terms of cultural access . Even our phenotypes are dfferents.

ESPECIALLY having a BLK father and he’s nowhere to be found… N The children are then raised by two elderly white people and their white mother. I’ve been to too many family reunions on my father side… and although me and my little sister caught subliminal hell out of my father‘s family and I don’t speak to any of them there’s a vast difference in how cousins that brought home black babies who were girls are treated versus my father had black wife and dated black women was treated

Exactly

Respect to you 🫡

That's understandable, but that's not what the lady was trying to do here. She just wanted to accept all parts of herself. But your comment opened my eyes to a whole other issue...that black people might see mixed people claiming their mixed heritage as "white passing" or like you said, "leaving being black behind." Very eye opening.

True light skinned people are unequivocally black. If you can hide your African ancestry, you are other.

It's called bleaching the color line.

@@marywhite8517 you are so pretty

@@AshleyMintz just now seeing your comment. I quite agree with you. I too would love to acknowledge all of my ethnic ancestry. However, the one drop rule lives on.

BUT I bet Mr.Donahue ain't going around calling HIMSELF mixed. If EVERYBODY is mixed as he claimed, why would he take issue with this young woman identifying as such??? No gem dropped imo

@@tajmahal8472 what are you basing your assumption that he doesn’t refer to himself as mixed on? He literally just said he was

@@tajmahal8472 The fact he said "who isn't mixed" is an indication that he knows he has some mixed heritage.

Have you seen all those Mexican TV actors? Lol, Mexico it's the most racist and colorist country I know of.

You are 100% correct. There is a lot of colorism in the Latin American community.

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@Sharondavis3535 Wrong. We are NOT all multiracial. Black Americans (and other descendants of slavery throughout the world) are multiracial due to rape of their wrongfully enslaved maternal ancestors. Black Americans are a tiny fraction of black people on the planet. There are over a billion unmixed black people in Africa alone. So we are NOT all multiracial.

That’s what most of your communitah believe though. Looking over good candidates who could be suitable for marriage all because they not light skin 🤦🏾‍♀️.

And black skin doesn’t make you beautiful and light skin doesn’t make you ugly🤷🏽‍♀️

Ahh.. boo. WELL DUH of course. And duh however it doesn't matter what the truth is. That's the point.

I mean it's not hard to see unless you needed another pair of glasses👓 with🔎😅. If he had not mentioned he was mixed I don't think anyone would even question hence the reason the barber told him off as a kid b/c I'm sure he wouldn't have had a clue he had a drop of black in him 🤔 if he hadn't mentioned it.

@@Bo55edup not always there's many mixed people who look more or mostly white. Mariah Carey, Logic, Halsey, british actor stephen graham. I have cousins who are 25% black who look just as white as he does but they still have a fully black grandparent. He doesn't so idk how he even got away with that for so many years. His percentage is so low that nobody he ever met in his family ever met any of their black ancestors. There wouldn't have even been a true oral history, just a rumour cos it was under 5%🤷🏽‍♀️

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@@ClassyGyalHaving 25% black dna doesn’t mean you are black. lol They still have 75% white ancestry so that means they are white. 😅

That’s called mixed ur grandparents are not ur parents and both have to be black to be considered black

Avoid them.

Black people had our own communities during segregation times. We had professionals, merchants, laborers, a diversity of working people. Black schools, with Black teachers. We lost all that with integration.

If they're monkeys then he is also a monkey 😂 when will these idiots get it. Whatever you say about the Black woman it applies to you they come from our seed.

The white guy

@@nicolesright4800right

This is true smh

Social media and baddie aesthetic is the nail in the coffin.

Many AA's come from mixed race people. Doesn't matter if it's a parent or someone from 2-3 generations ago. Being AA does not mean one is fully African.

BP is NOT African Americans we are not from Africa and never came from there, that big lie needs to STOP!!!!!

@@tias.6675neither does any Black identifying person that is not from West Africa

I think there would be so much push back from monoracial blacks and some multiracial as well. It may eventually happen because of the rate of intermarriage these days.

@@iceprincess825 I see why AA’s came at Tiger Woods neck for identitying as Cablinasian. I know if Barack Obama went that same route, he may not get the black vote and that wouldn’t ruined his presidency.

Those here stay gaslighting people SMH !

He died in 2011 unfortunately

That lady was probably 95% white

Can you share how you dealt with this day to day?

@@Nekole1 I grew up in the middle to late 60's. Every "leader " was of higher complexion, holding most ( if not all) positions of authority. From this to that and throughout it all, I learned to be humble and grateful. It was a very tough journey I traveled, but I tell others (including my own) how to navigate the scenes.

@@belo621 interesting. Thanks for sharing. Do you feel the world is moving forward with dark skin men and women in higher positions?

@@Nekole1 in my opinion, theory and claim. The world(not many)is just beginning to recognize that there are people of a darker hue,who are very intelligent

@@belo621 thanks for sharing. Wow

Lynette, my fam is traditional african and we do have lite skinned . and as it is i know every single person's genetics since they live in rural areas

This conversation hasn’t changed at alllll!

He was amazing!!!!🔥🔥🔥

Spitting facts? Not at all lmao. He just assumes that all light skin are rhe product of rape. That's asinine. Intelligent? Sure but intelligence doesn't equal enlightenment. Well spoken? Yeah for sure.

And you could understand him. No ebonics.

"Well spoken" is interpreted as a underhanded compliment when describing a black person

@@NellyNutmeg … would that still be the case if it comes from a black person, just like myself?