''COLOURED DEBATE" 

I'm a proud coloured African.I love my black ,white ,Indian and Malay heritage . Don't ask me to pick sides .

Why are all the black people angry? If I want to be coloured then let it be. We can speak for ourselves!!!

Saying coloured is not a dirty word, I've always identified myself as coloured and I always will. I'm not black, and not white. I refuse to call myself anything other than that. Proud coloured

Rise up my coloured people.. Stick together and let's get ours!!

The coloured people of South Africa have their own history and culture....it differs vastly from Black African culture. People should stop being ignorant, they are not sell outs etc etc...They have a distinct language, culture and ethnicity and that should always be respected and upheld by others. We all have a right to be different.

Being black is not a matter of skin colour. Its about the exclusion from social, economic systems. Native african tribes, coloureds and indians we are all blacks caz we were and still are oppressed. Being coloured is about culture not race because we have mixed race people who do not identify as coloured. And if black was about skin colour then no south african would be black because we are all brown to light skin. At the end of the day we are all Africans lets us enjoy that and stop creating divisions. We are all sons of this soil, black white, blue...we are one.

I did a dna test.Im coloured and I am 15% African,40%asian and 45% European..so yes we are multiracial ppl and should be allowed to celebrate all parts of our ancestry.

Bantu and mfecane people are also mixed with Khoi and San, you can tell by the Xhosa language and batswana culture. There are too many cultural trades, that goes way back before VOS.

Real San people are today in Namibia. You see them around a lot and they are not mixed race looking! In SA I've seen Basotho look more like San than the coloureds in South Africa!

I don’t care how mixed/coloured people identify. However if you have any anti blackness in you whilst simultaneously claiming African then you can go and join your European ancestors or Asian or whatever. Africa really doesn’t need that stuff anymore. We are one. We are tired of being looked down on and being exploited. It’s time to unite

Dr leonard martin is a great thinker and a real african. The way he talks and looks he can be a jamaican, an american, an african, latin american and an african. He fits in everywhere where black people are.

I have seen some coloured who look exactly like black people, when you ask something to them in Xhosa they look like they are offended, they reply speaking Afrikaans boldly with a little bit of anger.

How is this a debate when their both agreeing with each other?

I like Dr. Leonard Martin's perspective on the social construction of race and ethnicity in South Africa and worldwide. I also like his deep knowledge about the history of the Saan people. The way he presents his arguments and explanations with clarity reminds me of my mentor the late Dr. Neville Alexander.

Very one sided debate with a clear political agenda to position the Khoisan as the only legitimate race that would have great material benefits and power if recognized. The coloured debate is a very complexed debate and I would have appreciated if the panel consisted of a pro-coloured person. Discussions on the Afro-Asia people group Cape Malay would also have been appreciated. Stop viewing coloured as something negative us the younger generation is proud of being coloured and we celebrate it.

Black folks doing a Coloured debate as if Coloureds doesn't have a voice. What an insult and it is not acceptable.

This guy be like "we are the givers of life" he's not a khoi he's mixed race why doesn't he say anything about his European ancestry. We as blacks are 100% African and South African and he denies that.

Apartheid achieved what it needed to, lawfully it's over but it's implications still exist and will for a long time and I wish that wasn't the case.

We should not condemn any "colour", we should embrace DIVERSITY

South Africa plz recognise Khoisan their culture and language as one of the official language...and this coloured term confuses me are khoisan coloured or wat? arent coloured mixed race people? khoisan arent mixed they must be recognised

We are African... full stop

There are people here in the comments that have not learnt a thing after watching this video.

Coloureds of South Africa are still Africans!!! Why make a fuss about it. Yes during the Apartheid days, it was beneficial to be classified as “Coloured”, at least a little better than being classed as “Bantu” (“Black”). Apartheid is gone now, just relax.

Ai tog! Love this eye-opening panel session! It renews strength. Let me now go put pen to paper...

A proud coloured ✊ even though we’re always in the middle and overlooked. Our people have also suffered during apartheid and helped fight the struggle. Never forget.

Why does everything has to be about race in South Africa, I remember in 2019 when black People were excellent then they started to divide themselves saying the Xhosa people are very much achieving and representing SA. And other tribes were offended. Apartheid was a very very dangerous tool that was used against the people of South Africa. 😭

Is the time now,opportune for our 'Coloured folk' to rise & excel 🤔🙏

South Africa should be divided into many countries taking the different races into account. Also the land should be divided according to race.

So where do so called “black” South Africans( xhosa,zulu etc) with European ancestry fall under ?

Fadiel Adams needed to be on this panel

I am not black I am not white. I am colorful. Mixed race. Colored. I have a white mans blood & a black mans blood within me both at 50% each. How can I be black? What about the other blood?

Jeepas. Seems like being colored will always be a struggle for me no matter where I live. Both here in the States and in Africa. Accepted nowhere I guess...my goodness.

I think the terms black & coloured must fall...the khoisan and the 'blacks" must all identify as AFRICANS and be given the same recognition and other coloureds who do not identify as khoi be called mixed because most are mixed with different race...khoisan be treated like any other tribe in south africa be taught in school and be one of the official language

,Coloureds are not Khoisan and will never be, coloureds are mixed race,Khoisan are blacks

Does it really matter what color your skin is " coloured" with? Wade's victory is for everyone who identifies as South African regardless of race or creed

Coloureds musnt confuse themselves. They are not khoisan. They are the mixture of African and Europe. Khoisans are pure black and would never see themselves as half African and half Europe. They see themselves as black. As long as you don't believe that you are black, Then u not khoisan, you are coloured.

Khoisan people doesn't hav to b recognize we are the people of South Africa whoever came here added to the south African population. No problem wit SAT. D problem is that black feel more privileged about it. I respect that because they a powerful people but the truth is that the Khoisan history should b tort to the south African population and the Khoisan must b recognized. If the government refuses this then they are no better than the old white colonialist. Don't blame the white man u refuse to recognize the true owners of the land we not talking about white black. We talking about the Khoisan who are the indigenous people of South Africa. This is not a race issue the plain simple truth that the government refuses to acknowledge. Mandela was Khoi decent. Why does the government promote hatred among the Khoi and black people. The Khoi were living in peace especially wit d Xhosa people. That's wer the Xhosa gets the click from the Khoi who's language is the click

😂😂I'm not south african . My question is this : Is this term of "COLORED " a new race ? It doesn't make sens to me . They seem to be mixed race who WILL ALWAYS be perceived as blacks the momemt they leave their comfort zone ( SA)

I am the giver of life

In Europe im black

we are more than happy to welcom Khoi and the San into our society. The are our brothers and they are black.

Black and White are no colours, LOL! If color is solely the way physics describes it, the visible spectrum of light waves, then black and white are outcasts and don’t count as true, physical colors. LOL

I have a major identity crisis because people are always arguing if I'm coloured because I have a lighter skin tone than most coloured a and I have a few white features . My mother is a cape Malay coloured and my father is white so I have no idea what I am and I can't choose to identify myself as coloured because I will be told " no you are white " but if I identify as white they will say " no you are coloured " This happens all the time so if someone could help identify me as either white or coloured that would be greatly appreciated

Someone please help me understand how this is a debate? Its coloureds agreeing with one another.

A question I'm not hearing is should South Africa separate itself from the rest of the Black world? Should it pretend that Black and White is not a worldwide thing? As a person born in America but living in Africa permanently I had to choose. I had to choose Black American only as though my heritage began only after the first slave ships arrived in the fifteenth century or I see myself as an African that was born in America with a cool ethnicity amongst all the other outgrowths of Mother Africa. Slavery was only a small part of our history. I can't process focusing only on that part of our past. I have to always remember the whole journey. Anything else would be too small of thinking.

There's no "pure" origin of any human. As humans we are one human nation, intermixed or not...the fact remains we are all human with the same biology, the same desires ,the same emotions. I am so mixed....Hottentot, Koi, white, Xhosa, French, Dutch whatever. .. What I know is that I am human, a South African and that's that...finish...

There are no such human animal as a genetically pure race!

The first people weren’t Khoisan and I’m part Khoisan

Yet, for purposes of BEE, you need to tick race not as black but as coloured. The government pushes the race idea.

I love the comments a fair balance between what media pushes and what reality actually is. There is nothing wrong with coloured, don't assimilate be who you are they don't even believe there is black people. There is heritage, history, culture, belief, there are colors of cultures, they are distinct and beautiful, the only thing that is one mono color is money culture, and a money people are without heritage, history, culture and belief. May none of the colors in culture water themselves down but nourish your identity, love it, grow it, better it, but don't sell it, just don't sell it, money is hollow bricks with which to build a future, true foundations takes a bit more.

The guy in the blue shirt is a liar

The issue is coloured don’t see themselves as blacks and don’t want to associate themselves with the blacks so what do you think the black in which you were before you became anything else which you don’t accept and don’t associate yourself with which is why the coloured communities have a lot of issues. Just look at the confusion with the youth/young in the coloured communities. If you don’t know where you come from, you’ll always be lost because there’s a void which you’ll always try to fill. The term coloured is a apartheid racial term to simply separate people blacks, in which there are different variations/skin tone/ colours and hair textures of what black is. Look at the Ethiopians or people from Madagascar. All in all you’re Black bruh. Whether you admit it or not, even if you’re mixed raced, you’re Black before you’re anything else. Anywhere near the world you’re Black. The sooner you accept & be proud of who you really are the more you’ll start to understand yourself. Look at Beyoncé, Barack even Van Diesel & the Rock. All proud & black but hey each to their own. Peace & Love

South Africa rightfully belongs to "Coloureds" , but yet the whole government and other high offering jobs are pitch black even our Army. Double standards are real here

i need clearity do Khoisan identify as black or coloured?

But Coloured people need a lot of mindset training. There is a lot to be done in their minds cause they are struggling from denial. All the four men in the studio are more black than white. In the accounting T account, there is Dr & Cr and nothing In between as much as in the equation of black and white which doesn't have something in between. Williams is talking differently here but all his other interviews he is talking on terms of a coloured not black or African. True, white people are coloureds not white. They twisted the whole history but now is the time for us to redefine ourselves and THEM. It's long overdue brothers. Amandla!!!

Wen we win we are African, but there is , issue we are colour

The Office for Race Classificationhas died, apartheid is over...stop refering to yourself as coloured. The Population Registration Act of 1950 required that each inhabitant of South Africa be classified and registered in accordance with his or her racial characteristics as part of the system of apartheid...apartheid is dead...the word coloured is dead.

All I care about is that all black people own land in Africa (including you black people who call yourselves coloured ) in spite of your confused anti black rhetoric. Africa should be a safe haven for Africans. We should be able to freely practice our customs and speak our native language instead of English and Afrikaans/ Flemish/Dutch. We didn’t have boarders before the white man came. They wanted to divide and prevail. Let’s not lose focus and let them win. We are one ✊🏾

That's why I left. Very narrow mindset!!!

Colored people have never had a problem being called colored. Logically any shape and form require a description. How else can a shape, form, or being be described? There are more important things in life than caring about this (descriptive name) that really in the past never bothered them. The reason why it would now bother is because the race issue is always a topic hi-lightd by the media. Race is not the most important topic on their agenda. How they are treated currently in SA because of their race is something to be discussed. The only descriptive name that can be given to a coloured is Mixed Race. To all those seeking to make them choose a side. Don't you have anything better to do?

Whats all this of Coloured about we were never spoken or recognized all of a sudden its about Coloureds whats the problem we know who we are there must be something very special about us just be happy who u are not from the outside But from the inside

I've always heard mix race people Said people are saying they are not black enough and asking myself who Said that because black people will never said that

The question is are we mixed or are we koisan decent

Bull we perform well in everything we do we just get ignored and sidelined,there were many heroes and historical figures that were coloured but go check your history books but most are overlooked

What happened to their land is that is was not used. 😂🤣

I have read a lot of race hatred in the above comments….How SAD !!!…country still has racial issues…. start accepting each other for who you are / or for who we are…. FELLOW SA citizens and enjoy he diversity that the country is…..a very rich and vibrant culture

I'm black and my skin is lighter than that "coloured" man's. 😭😂😂😂

I support the view that the South African government should recognize the indigenous languages of the Khoi (Nama) and Saan people for those people who consider themselves to be members of those groups. This is important in light of the ethnic cleansing and genocide that the white minority governments carried out against these groups since 1652 and the almost total destruction of their languages, cultures, and identities. With regard to the panel members here I always enjoy listening to Dr. Leonard Martin. Although I am a historian and political scientist, I always learn something new from Dr. Martin about the history of the world and the Saan people. However, although I sometimes agree with comments by Anthony Williams, I am always not satisfied with his understanding of the history of the Saan in Africa and Europe and in terms of the paleontological history of our continent as it relates to these communities and human origin in Africa. The reporter in the far corner of the room asked the question about many people all over the world who have Khoisan genes, and then in response to that question Williams says that this is not true. Then he provides an answer that doesn't debunk but supports the idea that the reporter asked about. For example, Williams says that there are people as far away as Europe and Australia who have more Khoisan genes. It is not clear what he means by “having more Khoisan genes,” i.e., more Khoisan genes compared to what? Through their cyclical migrations over millennia the Saan people used to migrate as far north as southern Europe. Also, Dr. Martin is pointing out that the Saan are the oldest inhabitants of both Africa and Europe. Therefore, If the people of Europe have Saan genes then it should not be surprising that Europeans in Europe and as far away as Australia would have Saan genes. At other forums I have noticed Williams’ tendency to ignore the fact that large sections of the Bantu speaking groups, i.e., Zulu, Pedi, Sotho, Xhosa, and Tswana, have Khoisan genes through centuries of inter-mingling with them. I have seen how Williams tends to acknowledge this fact only after it is pointed out to him by other people at forums. Also, when I look at Williams he reminds me of the Saan people of northern Namibia who have had centuries of substantial intermingling with the Bantu speaking groups of that area.

The first Britons, 10,000 years ago had a black skin as Africans and many had blue eyes. So under your Apartheid, where they fit? My maternal grandmother would classify as “Coloured” in R.S.A., so would my sister though I wouldn’t. So under Apartheid, were we going to be separated.

The EUROPEAN ettlers were very stupid to call everyone who did not look like them BLACK . Indians, Chimese, Coloureds are NOT black. The people of this country fall into the following groups :- Africans, Asians (Chinese, Indians) ,Europeans (aka Whites) and Coloureds . As for racism, it shall never end in this country nor indeed worldwide USA got independent in 1776 ( over 244 years ago ) but Racism is thriving big time. Rainbow nation is total BS .

go to Joburg Xhosas are called Bushman, this must go to lab ,

I'm original South African did not come with a ⛵ from somewhere coulder that love my African brothers and sisters Amandala

I think we should do what Rwanda did and not have these stupid forms saying what race we are?We are just South African.

Those guy's all of them are mixed so I don't know why they discuss khoisan people who they don't represent..khoisan were black with an African hair not this kind of hair they have

lol the race thing here in SA id Hilarious

Trevor Noah is a descendant of Khoi and San? Come on plz.

These are all abstract pedigree labels not actual biological races.

The term " Coloured " has been abolished & SABC should do their homework

Wayde's victory was for coloureds not black (my people). GTFOH

So does it matter I mean it's a south african victory not say oo it's only a black victory or a colored one it's bullshit

I classify myself from earth or a human being ever since us humans are planning to colonize mars.

Still crying about colonialism.Get over it.America was a colony too.We thrive.

I identify as a Coloured with the knowledge that I descent from the Khoisan. Europeans came into contact with our ancestors in 1952. And with the passing of time (naughty) took place among the early settlers and our ancestors. The result was a beautiful diverse offspring. I know for certain that many of us know that we descent from the Khoisan, Dutch settlers and slaves from Indonesia in the Cape. Koisan is not pure black. They are African but brown.

The Indian is not African

The Colored man is the pale skin man. The Melanated man is the Original.

Zuma should call Obama, the first colourd president.

Coloured people are a one of the many black races under the African umbrella. So coloured people should never disown their coloured culture but they should also identify as black...in the same manner an Ethiopian or Nigerian identifies as black.

At least one genetic study indicates that Cape Coloureds have an ancestry consisting of the following ethnic groups: Khoisan: (32-43%) Bantu-speaking Africans: (20-36%) Ethnic groups in Europe: (21-28%) Asian peoples: (9-11%)

coloured are just lightskinned blacks stop separating .Ethiopians are the same skin as so called coloured but they're black .

Race isn't real but racism is real.

Well with a racist ANC government (EFF as well) that is supposed to lead by example I see this never ending.

When senenya won. That is for Black's