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When you think about early revolver patent infringement, the name that probably comes to mind is Rollin White. But Sam Colt had more than his share of infringement to deal with as well! Colt's most important patent was on the linking of the hammer and cylinder, so that cocking the hammer would automatically rotate and index the cylinder (basically, the single action concept). He patented this in the US and throughout Europe around 1836, but his initial business efforts in Paterson, New Jersey were a failure. It wasn't until the late 1840s that he created a really successful revolver design. By this time, more than half of his patent period had passed, leaving him only until the early 1850s to exploit his legal monopoly on his ideas.
European and American gunmakers were making unlicensed (illegal) copies of his guns from the first Paterson days, although they really took off in popularity with copies of the 1851 Navy model. Colt reacted to this by setting up a licensing fee system and hiring an agent to represent the company at the Liege proofhouse in Belgium, where it was possible to intercept most of the illegitimate guns. Those deemed of sufficient quality could pay 10 Francs and be stamped "Colt Brevete", rendering them licensed and the manufacturer safe from legal action by Colt.
These Brevete Colt copies are a whole world of interesting collecting by themselves, and one that is ignored by most Colt devotees. In this video, I take a look at 9 different examples to give you an idea of the wide variety of guns that were made both as licensed copies, illicit unlicensed copies, and legal unlicensed copies made after Colt's patents expired.
If you are interested in learning more about these guns, I strongly recommend the book "Colt Brevete Revolvers" by Roy Marcot and Ron Paxton: amzn.to/2e9t73O

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@jackmcslay
@jackmcslay 7 лет назад
20:29 that guy was revolutionary, he put a smiley in the trigger guard of a gun in the 1800s
@AussieFanXCIV
@AussieFanXCIV 7 лет назад
A German made firearm without markings and serial numbers on every single piece, part, and loose screw on it? I don't believe you.
@gregdaweson4657
@gregdaweson4657 3 года назад
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Love my Gmbh, little pos just tickles me.
@crunch9876
@crunch9876 3 года назад
I mean they make plastic firearms that melt
@Triggerhappypilot
@Triggerhappypilot 3 года назад
In most of 19th century, "German-made" carried very similar connotations as "Chinese-made" does today (at least in the english-speaking world)- that being low quality, mass produced, cheap goods. It was only during the late 1870s-1880s that Germany started to turn that reputation around as heavy investment in industry from the newly-formed German state allowed german industry to catch up to more developed industries in the UK and France.
@marshall00jjr
@marshall00jjr 3 года назад
Lol, my Rohm .22 immediately sprang to mind. #notallgermanguns
@russbilzing5348
@russbilzing5348 Год назад
@@marshall00jjr Yes! Ugly, little, slab sided thing with the absolute least amount of machine work necessary to function, but function flawlessly, it did.
@Arto257
@Arto257 2 года назад
I love the technical terminology from Ian to describe the sub-par guns. "Eeeuuuggghhh"
@AllRightPinguinoRodriguez
@AllRightPinguinoRodriguez 7 лет назад
You are an outlaw.You are challenged to a duel by a local.Your palms get very sweaty because you know your gun is not a legitimate copy.The local shoots you with his authentic Colt revolver.You lay on the floor and squirm like a worm while your blood drains off.You look up at the man who took your life, his gun gleaming in the sunlight. The last thing you see... 20:31 :)
@clubtcb
@clubtcb 5 лет назад
...that stupid grin on the trigger guard. Insult to injury
@charlestaylor253
@charlestaylor253 Год назад
The last sound that comes from your dying throat...'Eeeeuugh'.
@7thboss931
@7thboss931 4 года назад
I love the idea of a cylinder scene, I wish we saw more of that today
@derekdziobek5998
@derekdziobek5998 6 лет назад
I like to imagine Sam Colt's ghost roams around in the afterlife chasing down these unlicensed gunmakers and beating them up for besmirching his good name.
@drmaudio
@drmaudio 7 лет назад
The one with the hunting dog scroll really looks quite nice.
@AtholAnderson
@AtholAnderson 7 лет назад
The barrel of the Russian one looks bent upwards slightly, to me at least.
@planescaped
@planescaped 6 лет назад
I think it is tilted upward, or at least it's weird handle makes it look like it is. Also funny how it being the shittiest and most blatant knock-off sold for the most by far. O_o I've no clue why.. Some dumbass with too much money getting caught in a bidding war I presume.
@AdamantLightLP
@AdamantLightLP Год назад
@planescaped There is an entire collecting niche where they get bad copies of things.
@indigomer
@indigomer 4 месяца назад
The last gun you showed looks like someone looked at a picture of a Colt for 10 seconds and then tried to build one from memory.
@martijnoudeophuis6946
@martijnoudeophuis6946 7 лет назад
Kinda reminds me of the dutch mannlicher carbines episode. And by that i mean the amount of items on display
@MatthewBaileyBeAfraid
@MatthewBaileyBeAfraid 6 лет назад
I’ve done some Architectural Sculpting where I have seen that pattern of engraving on building flourishes. I am pretty certain you could date the gun with the "child’s doodles" from the pattern of engraving. I will see if I can find it in one of my pattern books.
@b.hagedash7973
@b.hagedash7973 7 лет назад
The agent and lawyer Davos-Sera sounds like he may have been the world's first copyright settlement troll.
@idaho52gfy
@idaho52gfy 7 лет назад
Wow Ian that was an amazingly informative video. As an Aussie who doesn't see much in the way of firearms, historic or otherwise. I would never even be able to guess that half of those were essentially knock offs. Do keep up your Brilliant work. Cheers!
@bigchooch4434
@bigchooch4434 6 лет назад
20:21 I've thought about trying to hand engrave firearms before, and honestly that's way better than I could ever do.
@Zap_R0sdower
@Zap_R0sdower 7 лет назад
Hey Ian, any way you can do a video on a Dardick pistol?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
It is on my list; just need to find one. I had a chance a year or two back, but the gun was broken. I do have about a dozen trounds stashed away in case I'm able to do some shooting at some point.
@Zap_R0sdower
@Zap_R0sdower 7 лет назад
Forgotten Weapons Nice to know it's in the works. Keep doing what you're doing. It's appreciated.
@Lazarus7000
@Lazarus7000 7 лет назад
That last one looks interesting; the bore axis seems a lot lower. I wonder why it is not a more popular grip style?
@tamlandipper29
@tamlandipper29 6 лет назад
Lazarus Long - didn't Demolition Ranch just do a video on a modern pistol with this orientation of barrel?
@steveashlearnerturner
@steveashlearnerturner 7 лет назад
the last 1 kinda looks like it would be a target gun, low bore access , maybe colt action rather than colt pattern ?
@keithmoore7390
@keithmoore7390 7 лет назад
looked like a Smith an Wesson #1 mixes with a Colt!!
@TheWantabeWarrior
@TheWantabeWarrior 7 лет назад
I was thinking an old pepperbox that got retrofitted to a "Colt" revolver.
@keithmoore7390
@keithmoore7390 7 лет назад
TheWantabeWarrior I was looking at the one in preticluar the one with the more rounded butt!!
@TheRaptoer
@TheRaptoer 7 лет назад
Just to be clear (US general law): Patents - Generally the design of a physical object, but can include more abstract concepts. Lasts 10-20 years, does not require enforcement to keep, and must be registered with a national government. Copyright - The content of a work of art. Lasts extremely long (70+ years), does not require enforcement to keep, and does not require registration. The act of simply creating the work grants you copyrights, although registration grants some benefits. Trademark - The general presentation of something in commerce. Basically if someone can reasonably confuse someone else's product with yours, it may violate your trademark. Lasts as long as you continue to use it, requires registration, and you must enforce it. If you slip and your product name becomes the general term for the item, you may lose your trademark. Trademarks are also defined within a certain context. For example FedEx has trademarked the color brown, but only within the context of shipping. If these counterfeit guns were not stamped and sold as Colt weapons, then they are violating patent law. If they are stamped and sold as Colt weapons then they are violating both patent and trademark law.
@rocksandoil2241
@rocksandoil2241 6 лет назад
Never realized so many faked pistols around
@jardude
@jardude 7 лет назад
great long vid. seems the Sunday long video is becoming a norm haha. informative and brilliant as always.
@thegoodfooddude7395
@thegoodfooddude7395 4 года назад
Also do more Civil War Guns and Artillery Pieces ...DO a forgotten weapons on 12pd Napoleon cannons or Lee Enfield pattern Rifled Muskets....loved the ones you did on the Sharps rifle and the Henry rifle even if they are rather lightly used for specialty troops back then but damn they were cool also if you already did those episodes let me know where to find em cause im missing them along the way. Love the Videos and love all the period guns you have a very calm and easy to listen to voice and you show off the coolest guns in history.
@hartzogLovesScience
@hartzogLovesScience 4 года назад
This is a nice addendum to the “Peacemaker and It’s Rivals”.
@joearnold6881
@joearnold6881 3 года назад
That last one seems like it would be less flippy, if nothing else
@bobl6489
@bobl6489 7 лет назад
wow, I can definitely see why these colt copies are so interesting. My favorite is the Belgian one with the hunting dogs.
@millwaterpublishing1387
@millwaterpublishing1387 7 лет назад
That last one does get your hand away from any cylinder spray or chainfires, awkward as it looks.
@trevorpeters4358
@trevorpeters4358 3 года назад
Ian should read all the classic gun books for their audiobooks . I'm dyslexic an retain more information when I listen to a book.
@varanid9
@varanid9 2 года назад
Love that last one, looks a lot like a Pettengill Dragoon.
@ericgarringer6911
@ericgarringer6911 10 месяцев назад
It's like with toys the knockoffs eventually become collectable that last one looks more like a savage navy
@mikekemp9877
@mikekemp9877 5 лет назад
colt was out in london attending the military arms trials at woolwich in 1854 just before the crimea think he was trying to recoup potential losses due to patent expiration by getting in early to the allies to buy genuine colts from him rather than the cheaper european rivals
@stewknoles4790
@stewknoles4790 7 лет назад
Thank you Ian. Very interesting and info I did not know. Great video as usual.
@larsmurdochkalsta8808
@larsmurdochkalsta8808 5 лет назад
17:18 I thought that was just really weird case hardening not going to lie
@mmercier0921
@mmercier0921 4 года назад
Ian is a human encyclopedia. Just astounding.
@keithmoore7390
@keithmoore7390 7 лет назад
Ian, if you run across a Sharps snake eye it would be appreciated, also the AMT back up!
@JerryEricsson
@JerryEricsson 3 года назад
Thanks a million for the Video, Great to see these attempts to break into Colts millions. I would not mind having one of them, just functional you know. I once took a "kit" colt navy copy in trade. It was about half done. Just far enough to really screw everything up. Took me about a year with files and rasps to get it to even look colty then a few months of tinkering to get it all in working order. After taking her our for a test blast I drove by the body shop where the previous owner worked. H took one look at it and was absolutely thrilled. He ha not told me before but his father had purchased the kit and worked on it at night on the dining room table till his mom condemned all gun work to the basement. After his fathers death he had tried several times to finish it but being about half blind he never was able to get it together. He once took it to a gunsmith who laughed him out of the shop. I did a nice job on it though, after getting all the 'oh shits' out of it I polished her up so well it would make a Smith and Wesson builder blush, cut a brand new set of grip blanks out of some very fancy walnut and then checkered it to a full checker. Oh she was a beauty, she was when I finished, then a full hot bluing when we ran the tanks the next time. She shot well as well after getting everything squared away. The fellow would not let me out of his shop with the gun, he wanted it back so badly that I took a nearly new Smith and Wesson Model 13 (not my favorite but better then a cap an ball..." and an engine for my daughter's little Buick which sort of gave out on her while away at college.
@BigSwede7403
@BigSwede7403 7 лет назад
Heh, at 20:30, that engraving on the trigger guard looks kinda like Pepe the frog doing the "U Mad Bro" troll-face.
@ihave_noidea
@ihave_noidea 7 лет назад
On the first gun with bad engraving at 20:00 the machining seems so many leagues better than the engraving. That makes me think that maybe the engraving was done well after manufacture or at least not by the manufacturer. Someone saw through what it was and let an amateur or student engraver give it a try or something like that.
@dalemoss4684
@dalemoss4684 3 года назад
I really kind of like that last one.. it looks cool
@randolfiserman5201
@randolfiserman5201 7 лет назад
If I had made a gun even 1/5 as nice as that third pistol I would be proud enough to put my name on it. Hell I would of made the lettering even bigger.
@cantrandallthis
@cantrandallthis 6 лет назад
Ian, I noticed something about the second revolver you show in this video. It seems to have safety pins on the back of the cylinder similar to most modern colt reproductions but missing in the original colts. Was this common?
@spielerversum
@spielerversum 2 года назад
Some of them could have been their own gun manufacturer. That’s pretty sad, almost liked nowadays.
@allanfulton8922
@allanfulton8922 2 года назад
Now a good brevet would be nice and they are legal in Canada 🇨🇦
@SamSung-mw6qt
@SamSung-mw6qt 7 лет назад
I love the look of the last one!
@michaelmccarthy4615
@michaelmccarthy4615 6 лет назад
Even cheap copies in the old days where still not too bad.... cheap these days is a whole new level of cheap...
@Omnihil777
@Omnihil777 7 лет назад
I really like the last one, kind of steam punk or diesel punk.
@ristoalanko9281
@ristoalanko9281 7 лет назад
The Russian gunsmiths made quite a lot of "Colts" as private purchase pistols for the Imperial Army officers. Some Finnish made copies also exist today.
@Airforce1Gunny
@Airforce1Gunny 7 лет назад
The numbers on the German copy is for telling you what screws go into what holes IMHO.
@jasonmccallum5915
@jasonmccallum5915 7 лет назад
you should do a video on the l1a1 slr or the fn fal
@thebigone545
@thebigone545 7 лет назад
200 years from now there will be videos like this about iphones and ipads...
@armadagunshow
@armadagunshow Год назад
Almost bought a really nice copy of a fake 1851 london navy, tha ks to this kind of video I didn't buy it, very intersting video, thanks for sharing
@brandon7482
@brandon7482 2 года назад
I kinda liked the second to last one.
@macmurfy2jka
@macmurfy2jka 7 лет назад
Was that a man being run over by a horse in the cylinder scene on the first gun!?
@ZombieWilfred
@ZombieWilfred 7 лет назад
If you pause the video it looks like the horse is rearing up a bit and turning left, away from the man who appears to be standing just to the side of the horse's right front shoulder. Not sure if it's supposed to be a depiction of the man trying to gain control of the horse or what, but I don't think it's running him over, though.
@vonjororo
@vonjororo 2 года назад
The Mickey Mouse thing, that's right on point
@Cys62
@Cys62 4 года назад
Tons of information. Amazing. The last gun is not as good looking as the others, in my opinion.
@wearymicrobe
@wearymicrobe 7 лет назад
Ian what is the name of the colt Brevete book and is it available for purchase.
@LtJackboot
@LtJackboot 4 года назад
Why do I like the last one best?
@unidentifiedbiomass4106
@unidentifiedbiomass4106 7 лет назад
The globe emblem spooked me, I thought for sure it was illuminati :0
@chqara
@chqara 7 лет назад
The last one has a good style :)
@MrTrollmyr
@MrTrollmyr 7 лет назад
Yeah it's realy cool.
@rentabullet4048
@rentabullet4048 4 года назад
İ like these copies but they are not a "coltcoltcoltcoltcolt"
@acidwizzardbastard
@acidwizzardbastard 5 лет назад
I kinda love that last one. Very unique profile!
@a.lampman2165
@a.lampman2165 7 лет назад
Colt "Brevete" Copies: Legal, Illegal, Post-Legal, Illegalstep, Legalwave, Illegalcore
@jibcano1777
@jibcano1777 7 лет назад
HeavyLegal
@7411y
@7411y 7 лет назад
Speed Legal, Folk Legal
@notpulverman9660
@notpulverman9660 7 лет назад
Garage legal, alternative legal, legal punk, steam legal.
@jibcano1777
@jibcano1777 7 лет назад
Deathlegal
@zacharyalt9808
@zacharyalt9808 7 лет назад
A. Lampman What? I do not get it.
@narwhalsheckyeah
@narwhalsheckyeah 7 лет назад
Never thought I'd be the kinda guy to take interest in markings and such. You're turning me into a nerd, Ian.
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
Bwahahaha! My evil plans are working! :)
@mashalaabniki2494
@mashalaabniki2494 7 лет назад
Forgotte @ n Weapons
@mashalaabniki2494
@mashalaabniki2494 7 лет назад
Forgotten Weapons لا
@mashalaabniki2494
@mashalaabniki2494 7 лет назад
Forgotten Weapons لالا
@mashalaabniki2494
@mashalaabniki2494 7 лет назад
Forgotten Weapons لالا
@Sammie_Sorrelly
@Sammie_Sorrelly 7 лет назад
Makes me think of the Japanese guitars of the '70s that copied Gibson designs. Lots of garbage, but a few brands like Tokai and Greco that still sell for about the same price that a modern secondhand Gibson would. Great way to get a vintage '58 burst without paying for a '58 burst.
@vinceparke5740
@vinceparke5740 3 года назад
I immediately thought of guitars too.
@PsychedeliKompot
@PsychedeliKompot 3 года назад
I actually play a very nice 1969 Jedson SG Bass from Japan from this era of copied Gibson designs. Great instrument and good quality.
@Pattamatt1998
@Pattamatt1998 3 года назад
I've got a Takamine copy of a Guild F512 from the 70s, and it's one of my favorite acoustic guitars.
@timisontube
@timisontube 2 года назад
love ur pfp lol
@dndboy13
@dndboy13 7 лет назад
is "eeeuughhh" a technical term?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
Absolutely.
@misterthemad994
@misterthemad994 Год назад
I can assure you, in French, it is. For real. It's not in the dictionnary and it's never written, only spoken, but, it's used surprisingly often in many serious discussions and usually manages to convey thoughts better than words would.
@captaindreadnought212
@captaindreadnought212 4 года назад
Kids: mom can we get Colt 1851 navy revolver Mom: we have Colt 1851 navy revolver at home Colt 1851 navy revolver at home: 22:27
@0BRAINS0
@0BRAINS0 2 года назад
@@Org80 if you build it,its more fun and the Australian government can go kick rocks.
@oatka01
@oatka01 3 года назад
Back in the '60s my brother was in the Army, stationed at Sinope, Turkey. He wrote me that he could get six Colt revolvers for $90, so I jumped at the chance. When I got them, they were God-awful copies of the M1851. REALLY bad. Because of the design flaw, they ended up being the "Swayback model" where they sagged in the middle where the barrel met the cylinder. Some had "Saml Coult" on the barrel, others were unmarked. I took one apart to clean it and nearly crapped at how bad the workmanship was. Screw threads looked like they were scribed on and I could barely get it back together again. I suspect some of these saw service in the Crimean War as they were super scroungy, but that's just my thought. I ended up selling them for $25 each at a Yuma, AZ gun show a few years later and kissed my hands that I made out so well.
@xrysoryba
@xrysoryba 6 месяцев назад
Hah! I was stationed at Sinop in 1971/72 and bought one of these too. Mine was marked Colt Brevette but the quality was about what you describe. I was told they were made by prison labor.
@acidtalons
@acidtalons 7 лет назад
The $17000 francs in 1850 is something like $3,000,000 US today.
@jameshealy4594
@jameshealy4594 7 лет назад
So ~$300,000 for two years pay, when all you had to do was put a crooked stamp on the barrel of pistols and take the money? Sounds like the job for me!
@marcusborderlands6177
@marcusborderlands6177 3 года назад
i know this was 4 years ago, but its closer to 250-300k today, so far less
@RavemastaJ
@RavemastaJ 7 лет назад
Walker Texas Ranger saved Colt firearms? Time travelling Chuck Norris saves the day again!
@MrBioniclefan1
@MrBioniclefan1 6 лет назад
LOL
@r.b.rozier9692
@r.b.rozier9692 5 лет назад
Walker was a Sgt. not a Cpt.
@frufru0071
@frufru0071 5 лет назад
R. B. Rozier 🤷🏻‍♂️
@frufru0071
@frufru0071 5 лет назад
Chuck met with the Immortal Incarnation of Time, (Chronos), and lay a beating on him so VICIOUS that...this 'TIME' guy hasn’t touched Chuck in years-apparently some twenty-five years!!
@dewayneweaver2744
@dewayneweaver2744 4 года назад
Copyright that and send Chuck a script "Time-Walker Texas Ranger!".
@samhouston1288
@samhouston1288 3 года назад
I find it ironic that Colt's legacy is carried on by today almost entirely by foreign companies making unlicensed copies of his designs.
@SlyPearTree
@SlyPearTree 7 лет назад
"He's gonna be annoyed he finds you out" Yea, do not piss off zombie Sam Colt.
@LeafseasonMagbag
@LeafseasonMagbag 4 года назад
Given some of the stories of that man’s temper, best not temp fate
@apathyboy
@apathyboy 7 лет назад
When "kindof a vaguely Colt-shaped gun" is the best description of your personal protection, you probably should have ponied up a little more cash comrade.
@nathanbrown8680
@nathanbrown8680 5 лет назад
This thought gives me an irrational urge to photoshop a gun barrel and trigger onto a MLP toy. Perhaps fortunately it's not a sufficiently strong urge to get me to actually hunt down the requisite art.
@corbinfelan
@corbinfelan 4 года назад
@@nathanbrown8680 good news! I photoshopped exactly what you described. Bad news: I'm terrified of my creation
@morriganmhor5078
@morriganmhor5078 2 года назад
Aren´t Colt guns vaguely "Collier-shaped"?
@thedude1671
@thedude1671 7 лет назад
Excuse me Ian, but the flag is incorrect. You need to use the Earth flag shown in Futurama.
@ToastyMozart
@ToastyMozart 7 лет назад
Ah, but he always uses the flags employed at the time of manufacture.
@GoredonTheDestroyer
@GoredonTheDestroyer 7 лет назад
Where applicable.
@mikeylikesit6588
@mikeylikesit6588 5 лет назад
Zoidberg will just eat it. What’s the point.
@slashdotism
@slashdotism 7 лет назад
Haha "Vaguely Colt shaped gun"
@MrGrimm1911
@MrGrimm1911 7 лет назад
Maybe "Colt shaped object" is even better, I would be concerned to use some of these as anything but a paperweight.
@kennyvancleave2422
@kennyvancleave2422 7 лет назад
I would watch your video's, if you didn't have any guns in front of you. Your history lessons are that good.
@The_falsetto
@The_falsetto 7 лет назад
That's a fact, he could've taught my history class in my junior of year high school.
@fat_boydm3025
@fat_boydm3025 4 года назад
You don't like guns?
@Trint3e
@Trint3e 4 года назад
No, he means that he would watch his videos even if it wasn’t gun-related because he’s such a good storyteller
@mauserpauser4547
@mauserpauser4547 7 лет назад
one wicked smiley face at 20:35
@md_vandenberg
@md_vandenberg 7 лет назад
I'm glad I'm not the only one to see it.
@exploatores
@exploatores 7 лет назад
Sometimes the realy crappy forgeries are the most fun, In a what the hell was the maker thinking way.
@thelonerider9693
@thelonerider9693 2 года назад
I'm just shocked all those cylinders clicked when you turned them, the hand spring on my first Pietta stopped doing that after two range visits and these hundred plus year old knock offs are still going strong lol.
@GreenDayFanMT
@GreenDayFanMT 7 лет назад
It's great, that Ian picks up the topic of copyright and patent, which was a big discussion in the comments a few videos ago. This shows how close Ian is to the community and viewers' issues.
@God-mb8wi
@God-mb8wi 3 года назад
almost 100% sure these are unrelated things
@SNOUPS4
@SNOUPS4 7 лет назад
In upper case fonts, at this time they didn't write accents, but it is actually supposed to say "BREVETÉ" with an accent on the final E of breveté (because that is a past participle of the verb to patent [something] ("breveter [quelque chose]" (whose final R is mute, btw)). The "-é" at the end of "breveté" is here just like "-ed" at the end of the english word "patentED"... so fyi, one would be supposed to say something a little more like "bruh-vtay" (or alternatively "bruh-vuh-tay" depending on the region) than "bruh-vaytt" ... though you got the pronunciation of the first half absolutely right which is very often tricky for other Americans. Moreover, all of that french nerdery is not very important at all because the video is great and as usual I learnt a lot thanks to it! You're the best Ian :D
@TroopperFoFo
@TroopperFoFo 7 лет назад
20:31 its staring into my soul.
@andrew-ripley1747
@andrew-ripley1747 7 лет назад
I was wondering if anyone noticed how face-like that particular "engraving" looked.
@QuantumCat76
@QuantumCat76 7 лет назад
Smileys!!! Although the one on the trigger guard could be mistaken for female body parts at first glance :-P
@themoldycrow4890
@themoldycrow4890 7 лет назад
Looks like a rare pepe
@LemmyKBrinkwood
@LemmyKBrinkwood 5 лет назад
@@themoldycrow4890 or like that neighbour-frog from roccos modern life. i don't know what would be more surreal.
@Crazy_Borg
@Crazy_Borg 4 года назад
It's a troll face. Trolling the buyer and Mr. Colt at the same time.
@ek8710
@ek8710 5 лет назад
The receiver at 17.12 is brass, it's the silver colour that is wearing off. You can see this in the high wear areas.
@jpjude68
@jpjude68 7 лет назад
in french, "breveté" can be translated into "patented". though i'm not sure if it's really more about a patent, or a manufactured good authorised with a licence (like the "apple official reseller" type of deal). it's an old inscription, so standards and nomenclatures probably changed since then, enough that it may not really be accutrate in today's terms..
@francis9469
@francis9469 7 лет назад
so, what happened to guns that when inspected to be issued with a colt brevet, what happened to guns that were NOT accepted for the patent? destroyed?
@GoredonTheDestroyer
@GoredonTheDestroyer 7 лет назад
I imagine they were turned down, like "Yeah... No. Nice try, bub."
@Prowbar
@Prowbar 7 лет назад
Really digging these revolver uploads, keep 'em up!
@cozmcwillie7897
@cozmcwillie7897 4 года назад
The German gun, last one shown before the 'crappy ones': it had a foresight which looked too big for the slot it was in, and was overhanging on both sides. It seemed to me to have been added much later; (by someone who only wanted a front sight and didn't care about looks. Likely belonged to another kind of gun.) if comparing the fairly neat finish of everything else was anything to go by.
@kaymio6547
@kaymio6547 7 лет назад
When you compare the BREVETE on the "square back triggerguard" with the BREVETE from the first guns, you can also see those stripes on the engraving. Ian said the square trigger guard was legit, but to me the BREVETE seems engraved not stamped. You can see it very good around 17:55
@gwoody4003
@gwoody4003 Год назад
Wow that 2nd one with engraving and partially-turned barrel looks really nice. Smart move by the Gunsmith, you would be able to spot his work from across the room if that was a calling-card feature he included on all his guns. That little octagon section on the end kinda makes it look like there's a compensator.
@kylebrady969
@kylebrady969 Год назад
Yeah that particular Colt Brevete is gorgeous. I would not have felt ripped off if I purchased that pistol at the time. I think the last of the 'meh' Colts (the one before the bad examples) would've been nice too if it had proper markings and proofing.
@rickautry2759
@rickautry2759 7 лет назад
In the part about the serialized parts, the die for the trailing '1' was either broken, or a '0' faked into a '1' to make the parts match - or am I just hallucinating? WOW! That Russian beast didn't have to be a quality firearm, since you could throw it and brain somebody, and thanks to that lanyard loop, you could get it back and be ready to do it all over again! Take That!
@jean-francoisbedel8916
@jean-francoisbedel8916 3 года назад
• Message pour Ian de « Forgotten Weapons » : Très intéressante vidéo dont j’ai eu le lien par le commentaire d’un abonné sur votre vidéo sur le modèle « Dragoon ». Je rapportai que j’avais un « Dragoon Belge » ayant appartenu à mon arrière grand-père (collectionneur d’armes) et que je cherchai des précisions sur la date de fabrication et l’usine (probablement à Liège à l’époque des licences - l’arme mentionne « Colt Brevete » et « Samuel Colt New-York City » dans un graphisme soigné). Est-ce que avec quelques photos, vous auriez la gentillesse de me donner quelques précisions et est-ce que quelques « gros plans » ou détails photographiques seraient utiles ? (J’ai cru comprendre qu’il faut bien identifier le barillet, le canon et les mentions légales, la visée, et quelques vues générales ?). Merci d’avance. JF (dans la région parisienne en France). • Message for Ian from "Forgotten Weapons": Very interesting video which I linked to by a subscriber's comment on your video on the "Dragoon" model. I reported that I had a “Belgian Dragoon” that belonged to my great-grandfather (weapons collector) and that I was looking for details on the date of manufacture and the factory (probably in Liège at the time of the licenses. - the weapon mentions "Colt Brevete" and "Samuel Colt New-York City" in a neat graphics). With a few photos, would you be so kind as to give me some details and would some "close-ups" or photographic details be helpful? (I understand that you have to identify the barrel, the canon and the legal notices, the aim, and some general views?). Thanks in advance. JF (in the Paris region in France).
@tehgamerfromhell4523
@tehgamerfromhell4523 7 лет назад
20:35 the Engraving on the trigger guard looks like a face drawn by a kindergartner.
@CrysResan
@CrysResan 7 лет назад
I hate to do it but my inner nerd demands it "Engravings give you no tactical advantage whatsoever." Also while I'm already going there. "This is the greatest handgun ever made. The Colt Single Action Army. Six bullets, more than enough to kill anything that moves."
@michaelkeha
@michaelkeha 5 лет назад
In older blued steel guns engraving can actually give you a minor tactical advantage it can help diffuse glare from the sun
@martinpook5707
@martinpook5707 3 года назад
Interesting as usual. I don't know how patents were based in 1830 but today that wouldn't be allowed in UK. Using the hammer to turn the cylinder is an idea - not patentable - how you use the hammer to turn the cylinder is patentable. Watt patented the crank to convert linear motion to rotary, but there are lots of other ways to do it which don't use a crank.
@thedudemeisteragain
@thedudemeisteragain 7 лет назад
I wonder if there were Chinese copies made
@rawovunlapin8201
@rawovunlapin8201 6 лет назад
This is actually pretty cool, I love seeing guns that partially use official parts and guns that have wacky shapes compared to what I think of as the standard profiles.
@unclerifle2847
@unclerifle2847 7 лет назад
I really enjoy these slightly longer videos, where you really "nerd out" in some forgotten corner of firearms history. Big fan of the channel. Keep up the good work. A personal request: An original swiss SIG p210 "Neuhausen" 9MM. They are still a standard sidearm in the danish army (I've shot one, when I was a conscript), but I've yet to come across any quality videos on it anywhere, and would love to know more about it. (It's a fantastic shooter, btw)
@russbilzing5348
@russbilzing5348 Год назад
I have always wished I could afford one. Here in the U.S. of A., a P-210 can cost $4,000 for a 'perfect' one, and that is ONLY if you can find someone willing to part with theirs.
@bundlesofjoe
@bundlesofjoe 7 лет назад
i wonder how many days it took for each gun
@acedia_14
@acedia_14 7 лет назад
Is it just me or was that Russian gun's barrel kind of tilting up?
@johndoe-vo6wl
@johndoe-vo6wl 7 лет назад
this will be my first auction ever and I can't wait ! thank you very much for all your videos 😀
@mohammedcohen
@mohammedcohen 5 лет назад
...so silver was a 'base metal'...as compared to the 'genuine brass'???
@theRPGmaster
@theRPGmaster 5 лет назад
Of course, silver is just glorified steel that gets discolored easily, not to mention that it's too soft for practical use.
@SpectralNova
@SpectralNova 7 лет назад
The revolver at 13:36 is beautiful. If I didn't know any better, I'd think it was a legitimate Colt. It just goes to show not all knockoff guns are bad, and that there's a huge range of quality that you can find. I didn't expect to enjoy this video as much as I did. I always enjoy videos on knockoff guns--especially Chinese knockoffs--but this video was inherently fascinating.
@CCCRanger
@CCCRanger 5 лет назад
easy to see its not a legitimate Colt ...all Navy 1851 from Colts have a Cylinder scene with the Texian Sea battle ,ok the Octagonal Barrel can later tuned in a round barrel like a southern Copy
@bitfreakazoid
@bitfreakazoid 7 лет назад
"It really kind of looks like a kids doodle instead." Yeah well, that's like your opinion man. lol I really like the style of that last one.
@jeffhartman2983
@jeffhartman2983 7 лет назад
Great video yet again. Please do one on the Mauser HsC.
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