Combat Accuracy vs Target Shooting

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@skipsmith9692 2 года назад

Nailed it, truth be known the US M-16 or M-4 when they first came out were 3” groups at 100meters…as time went on they reduced that and still maintained reliability. Good video with lots of useful truths. Main thing to remember is know your gun and all of its idiosyncrasies…that can be the difference of walking away or not.

@NewTestamentDoc 2 года назад

this is why I switched to a Pistol Caliber Rifle for first line rifle defense in SHTF. Fast and cheap to shoot up to 100 yds.

@Saku19 2 года назад

@@MattP271 You apparently missed the "SHTF" part.

@minerblue9641 2 года назад

SHTF. Pistol calibers in a rifle more or less limit you to 90y to125y. According to the shape of the bullet drop trajectory that goes with a pistol caliber. Shooting at a range where the bullet drops 3 or 4 inches in 5 or so yards make accurate hits very hard. But I"m sure it'll work for SHTF. It probably has more pluses than negatives. Ammo weight is a real concern most times.

@NewTestamentDoc 2 года назад

@@minerblue9641 Also, can store tons more of ammo in the same amount of area or with same weight as much less rifle ammo. Also cheaper to shoot... (but with some of the ammo prices today, not sure anymore!)

@taterprintsgats 2 года назад

Property in Arizona, you say....

@MrBoosta 3 месяца назад

My 9mm SBR is built for CQB but mostly a range gun to run drills like my ar but with cheaper ammunition

@markr9730 2 года назад

If I'm not mistaken, during WWII the army only required 5 MOA from the M1 Garand. Seems like that worked out OK.

@chillios2222 2 года назад

The M1 rifle was pretty well loved had firepower, can't imagine a whole mess of dudes just bombarding you with 30-06 not to mention the machine guns mortars etc

@johnlagrega2456 2 года назад

Perfect 👍 I live on Long Island NY, suburban loads of huge oak trees lots of landscaping 50 yards would be quite a stretch, my 2 1/2 in mini14 is a perfect tool for the job 😎👌

@davefoster7619 2 года назад

Watch the add folks. The GunGuy used about $47 worth of fuel to bring us this info!

@Steve-od6hi 2 года назад

What you said makes perfect sense to me, even in hunting situations. Around the home, it there were a combat scene then a mini 14 is just too comfortable for words, a 9mm Ruger carbine same thing and close to a 22 for laying dawn a barrage that never allows TOG a chance to reload. Also both are easy to use for your wife or older child in necessary.

@chillios2222 2 года назад

I agree the Ruger stuff worked good enough for me

@FlamingRobzilla 2 года назад

This was both fun and informative. Also right now we''re going through a heat wave in SoCal so it was a good reminder that it 's not always so hot here. I love San Diego.

@arnoldpadilla6471 2 года назад

excellent video. As an old Marine. I been preaching the same. I love my Mini. believe it or not. I had my wife hitting a 15" plate at 200m with my 580 serie. Iron sights. I prefer iron over optics on my fighting tool.

@almightybuffaloe 2 года назад

Great video, love the field trip. Very nostalgic, I grew up in San Carlos!

@aulii11 2 года назад

Wow, great discussion - something I admit I've never actually thought about!

@TheLoneRanger745 2 года назад

Exactly 💯 right , I think the best reason for zeroing at 100 yards is the fact that one moa is one square inch on the target ,most optic's work in increments that match the one moa grid on the target. So if you're perfectly zeroed at 100 yards the trajectory is actually about an inch and a half high at 50 yards which is the same distance the optic is above the bore, after that mid span point the bullet begins to fall onto the zero Target. So if you're taking a shot at 50 yards and you're zeroed at 100 yards the shot placement will be about an inch and a half above your sight picture . There was another test done showing that 100 yard zero also hit zero at 25 yards before the climb of the ark. Bottom line, from 25 yards to 75 yd impact will be above point of sight or Red Dot or reticle zero.

@americansfortruthandjustic7504 Год назад

Very practical discussion. Practical distance for suburban defense is 100yds or less. Reliability is critical. Only minimal accuracy is needed (paper plate @100yds). Any hit with any centerfire caliber will ruin that person's day and likely end their desire to attack you.

@64samsky 2 года назад

I preach this to most people I know, this information is spot on!

@larrrs3 2 года назад

There are too many people that watched Marshall Dylan draw from the hip and shoot the pistol out of the bad guy's hand just to disarm him and everyone thinks that their weapons should be laser accurate at all distances all the time in all situations. For what you were talking about you're AK47 is more than accurate and reliable to do the job.

@mikereese15 2 года назад

What a great point. Many of us are not aiming(pun intended) to be long range competition shooters. So I just want something reliable and good at 50 yards and in at most. And thats how I train.

@robertnegrete128 2 года назад

Thank you for the information there's a very good questions I was wondering about myself I appreciate all the effort that I'm not the only one thought about these things

@darrellh1840 2 года назад

Great video Joel! Thanks!

@UncleMilty 2 года назад

Good though provoking video Joel. I have been thinking about this for the past few years as we live in a retirement community with lots of older folk, self-defense not primary on their mind. I think things would have to be really bad to shoot at someone 75-100 yards out. Let's hope and pray it doesn't come to that.

@dnniskeberly548 2 года назад

I like your stories and the guys who shoot I learned a whole lot of things by and we enjoyed in Richmond your forecast and do a good you do a good job thank you

@CWQIII 2 года назад

That is great information and well thought out. Thank you sir.

@johnochicago8457 2 года назад

Great video as usual Joel!!!!

@gregot5567 2 года назад

Hi Joel, Do you know if a person can have more than one ccw insurance carrier at a time?? Thx

@TheRealGunGuyTV 2 года назад

Sure. I do. I carry both Second Call Defense and CCW Safe.

@bombsaway6340 2 года назад

Self defense shooting requires a different mindset, and what we must have in the firearm. As long as you can put rounds in the critical zone, your weapon is accurate enough. However, the firearm can never be too reliable.

@billlindsay2593 2 года назад

Joel, great video. Looking at what is around you with range finder is a logical concept. Factors of incident are as follows: 1. Zeroing, the trajectory. 2. Adjust closeness to subject as required. 3. Good grip. 4. Good sight picture. 5. Appropriate position. 6. Warning to subject. 7. Trigger control. 8. Watch out for adrenaline dump. 9. Limited statement to police. 10. Insurance and training in place before usage. Chose the correct tool for the job.

@chris.eskimo 2 года назад

Well said, Sir ! I completely agree! I live on a 5 acre area. My chances of defending it at over 300 yards are very slim. My odds of defending it against threats at 100 or closer, are much greater. I need a fighting rifle, not a hunting/sniper rifle. Suit the tool to it's need

@thatfast3002 8 месяцев назад

A fighting rifle works from 3 yards to 300+ yards if you've spent time practicing and learning, even with iron sights fyi

@kicknsystm 2 года назад

I wish I had a way with words like you. I learn in most every one of your vids but even when you are hashing through things I know, you verbalize it much better than I do (when I try). I recommend you all the time & appreciate your incite. Be blessed.

@richardfuerst5286 2 года назад

One of the best gun videos I've seen. Thanks Joel. 👍

@billdont2458 2 года назад

You are preaching something I've always believed. At the end of the day we need not think in terms of lethality, but in terms of "out of the fight". If a bad guy is hit with any of our standard rifle rounds just about anywhere on his body he will be out of the fight. Ultimately that's the goal. If that person doesn't make it, it's their own fault for shooting at me. Perfection is the enemy of good enough...

@jasonz7788 2 года назад

Great work Sir thank you

@stevennewman4778 2 года назад

Great video. Living in KY, the longest shot I’d ever have to take in a scenario like you were discussing at the end would be 300 yards. That’s why I have 6” steel plate at 300 yards and zero my optics for MPBR.

@jamesvatter5729 2 года назад

Scoped AK? Interesting conversation, Joel.

@joeltowle2737 2 года назад

Where I live the houses are fairly close but the houses are set back more yards then feet. Than again I'm one of the younger people at 52. Not many issues.

@thatfast3002 8 месяцев назад

50 yard zero you can shoot pretty close poa/poi out to 200 yards and can be used further if you know your holds

@7sq 2 года назад

Ian & Karl( inrange ) have mud tests AR vs. AK (ak and many other rifles ; ar won ) ...

@leecaptis5865 2 года назад

Hmmmmm..Go out and range in your neighborhood & town. Most likely when the SHTF , I will be right here where I live. My guns are up to the task , but I actually never considered where to set the sights. Prudent to have all this thinking done, before a fellow hasn't time to think. Thanks for the practical, and very calm , lesson.

@JJGuccione 2 года назад

1. Though you have no experience, your premise is sound - based on a Combat Vet/Leo wisdom. The remainder was very sound logic. TY Great VDO.

@JCHumongous 2 года назад

Good conversation primer. I guess I’d say, why not keep that 300 plus accuracy in your pocket? Kind of like airbags in a car. Most traffic accidents, they don’t deploy. But when you need them they do. For me, I’d have to know more about the actual reliability gap. How much of that is carried over from the conversation of old? I’ve seen some serious torture tests on modern ARs that would make AK guys take note. So if that gap isn’t what we perceive, I’d go with the AR to have that longer accuracy in my back pocket. Just my two cents. 👍

@minerblue9641 2 года назад

Good information.

@ca2129 2 года назад

Great Video! I’m feeling much better about my 100yrd group, not being able to shooting “1 MOA” with the random ammo I found, no sled, no shooting bags, no spotting scope and not a ton of experience. But hitting 4 MOA with a rifle and ammo that could maybe do 2 MOA. Sometimes I loose perspective and think I should be able to hit 5/8” MOA standing and that’s just not a very realistic goal.

@oldfilmguy9413 2 года назад

The plate really drives the point home. Cheers!

@ricks2651 2 года назад

You turned on Navajo rd. If you kept going straight you would be in Del Cerro.

@scottcammack8339 Год назад

Keep in mind it’s not good enough to be able to hit a target. You have to be able to identify it as a threat and it has to be a threat to you before you fire. Just seeing some guy all dressed in black lurking 100 yards away isn’t enough you have to be able to say that you can see and perceive an actual threat to yourself before you fire

@vandalvetteworks8008 2 года назад

Don't quote me on this, but I remember hearing something a long time ago about a study done after WWII. Soldiers were interviewed and it was discovered that the average engagement distance was approximately 120 yards. This was one of the reasons behind the shift to more intermediate chamberings for rifles. Edit: Dinzag Arms sells a polished Tapco G2 trigger for the saiga AK. I liked mine until I moved out of California and swapped it out for an ALG AKT-EL.

@TeamBuffaloOutdoors 2 года назад

It’s like game time vs. practice 🤷‍♂️

@jscott5091 2 года назад

Thank you for this information. I never thought about this, but you are right. 👍😎🇺🇸

@ricks2651 2 года назад

That Charter school used to be a Blockbuster video.

@ricks2651 2 года назад

I know exactly where you were when I saw Beef N' Bun as you turned onto Fletcher Parkway.

@ArcanusLibero 2 года назад

I would argue a 100 meter zero on your rifle. The reason is that most optics these days have caliber specific bullet drop compensation built into them. A hundred meter zero on most scopes lets you use you 200 meters compensator angle at 200 meters and under 50 meters. Once you get used to using you drop compensator this way you are in business...

@strider8933 2 года назад

I have always stressed to my students.... BE ACCURATE! But I also stress combat -vs- precision accuracy. In a close quarters, fast and furious encounter, fist sized "center mass" groups are too slow. Paper plate groups as fast as possible are more practical. I use the same standard for hunting and any range you can do so at. However, some mutt holding your child hostage requires a HIGH precision shot in the "T-box or thru the ear. Practice both and be proficient. I LOVE super accurate weapons. But from a practical aspect, a 2" gun is just fine to fight with.

@MrDjay46 2 года назад

The comment that you purposely built an AR15 with a bent towards reliability versus precision accuracy was interesting. Precisely what were those steps you took? With a firearm example such as a 1911 handgun I can certainly understand the choices of looser tolerances being incorporated in a “build” or a purchase choice in a preference for reliability over accuracy. But assembly of an AR? The only selections I can see that affects an AR accuracy in assembly is selecting a less premium barrel, going with a non free floated hand guard and perhaps choosing a cheap military trigger versus a premium single or two stage trigger. Most of those choices are made to hit a budget point. What were your looser tolerance choices and in the AR how does that enhance reliability. Thank you. ‘

@chillios2222 2 года назад

Best thing about the mini was the scope mount and rings , that was a fun little rifle for me anyway ( for a young man it was perfect for me ) whatever I needed from the Mini it was good enough, and I had the old mini, I've heard a lot of people knock them but I can honestly say mine was decent

@earlyriser8998 2 года назад

during ww2, as I recall reading, most shots were fired within 300 yds and 100 yds. That reflects outside, urban, and trench warfare (Italy). Obviously many Banzai charges in the Pacific at closer ranges.

@kennethcurtis1856 2 года назад

Glad you are talking about this. Hickok45 did a similar video a while back on how people get hung up about the 'accuracy of their gun' compared to others.

@ryandavis9794 2 года назад

It’s always been odd to me how people chase this accuracy phenomena and disregard certain platforms as if they’re useless because they don’t deliver 1MOA

@nataliedeyton6829 2 года назад

I couldn’t imagine living that close to someone else’s home... the closest house to me is 860 yards.... yeah I don’t really like people 😂

@OUTPOST-31 2 года назад

I completely agree that 2-3 moa is perfectly acceptable for urban environments. Almost anyone who’s on a limited budget (especially now) can still save their money and buy a reasonably priced and reliable means of defense. On the other hand, people that live in rural areas that cannot afford more than one or two target-specific weapons might consider a more tactical type “ranch rifle” for defense against both two and four legged predators as well as putting food on the table. The old saying “don’t underestimate a man with only one rifle”...

@jamesdr4256 2 года назад

Thanks again

@jimd8008 2 года назад

Thank you again

@cw7legionofpewrights596 2 года назад

@gunguytv , it worked for the fbi Miami shootout

@Dwayne7834 2 года назад

Good video and information. Thanks

@AirkooledKustoms 2 года назад

dude ..love your content , but I left Cal , in the early 80'd when it SARTETed to get weird .. , now it full on ( cal ) never mind the cost of living

@ricks2651 2 года назад

You drove down my old street and passed my old house.

@DeusEstPrimus 2 года назад

Accuracy is accuracy, there is no such thing as "combat accuracy". You can either shoot accurately under stress or you can't. Acceptiable M.O.A in a combat weapon vs a target weapon and the trade offs is a different conversation.

@mtnshooter2487 2 года назад

Say hi to cows mtn park. Corner of Jackson Dr and navajo rd ?

@56Spookdog 2 года назад

I enjoy bench shooting for accuracy as others do but always chuckle to myself when I see theses arguments on line for the same reason you’re stating. I’m always thinking do theses people invasion themselves as being a hero sniper some day, who knows it could happen.

@jonandrews9599 2 года назад

GG, most folks can't hit a target freestanding farther than 100-125 yards.(stat from Dept of the Army) so a 2 moa will...."GET 'ER DINN!) Good point, but common sense usually is. Thanks. All the best

@johnnymccann5607 2 года назад

for half my life I guess I wanted a Springfield m14 and at the time couldn't never afford it. when saiga was imported I got the Sporter 308 .one of the best buys I ever made plus being at that time a reloader of probably 25 years of great experience and knowledge I was able to tune my ammunition. ,at the time after sight in I could put 3 shot 100 yd with bipod and taco red dot under 3/4 in .286 yd 3- 3 1/4 inch same sight and bipod.i now lightened The trigg pul as light as I can and work reliability. it's very sensitive but works flawlessly . thinking about a good fixed 4 power or 1,1- 5 power. ,I might trade it for another saiga 308 if a 20- 22 in barrel if it shot 1 moa. my barrel 16 1/4. nanna and papa wishing you well

@minerblue9641 2 года назад

I don't know about that trigger man. Too light if you ask me. If thats what you like then I'm sure it is a very accurate firearm.

@johnnymccann5607 2 года назад

@@minerblue9641 only I use my siaga 308

@johnnymccann5607 2 года назад

@@minerblue9641 and being a older marksman/ rifleman disabled and out of practice , but iam going to get back. I should be able to make some decent shots out to 500_700 yards and good scope.

@steveww1507 2 года назад

A lot of good old common sense . very good vid

@aaronfox5559 2 года назад

Great video

@doejohn8674 2 года назад

Go Algo!

@gator7082 9 месяцев назад

Good common sense wins every time!

@samhill9267 2 года назад

Gee, I'm concerned about your fixation with the RANGE from your front porch the neighbors across the street. And your scouting out the local SCHOOLS........ ha ha Actual straight from the New Haven police ct. man at Ruger 25 years ago: "Factory specs on the Mini 14 are 2" AT 50 YARDS!" "WE DON'T HAVE AN LONGER RANGE!" Hint: that's 4" @ 100 yds". So in testing one I decided a Mini-14 did not rate a scope! The 4 bolts and clap at mid length of the BBL are torqued down to 80 pounds per sq. inch! DAH what does that do to "harmonics"? How much did yours shot STRING after 25 rapid shots? Before and after adding the BBL brace? This said I'd buy the Mini-14 in SS with syn. stock IF THEY WERE $200 :-) they are a good replacement for the M-1 Carbine....

@tombrown1281 2 года назад

i love the idea, even with a handgun. Yes you may be able , to ding a gnat, at three yards, with a two inch revolver, I may miss the gnat, but I hit his buddies a quarter inch of away. I hit 5 of his buddies, while you spent 30 seconds lining up you first target. DOE trained, high master. we used to joke, its only 50 yards, why do you need a rifle?

@ricks2651 2 года назад

Pershing Jr High.