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Commodore Amiga 600 - Why do I hate this computer? (Amiga Therapy Pt1) 

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@SAMoorehouse
@SAMoorehouse 3 года назад
It was my dad who repaired it, BM was for Bob Moorehouse & he had a computer shop in Keighley where he did the repairs
@8BitRetroReFix
@8BitRetroReFix 2 года назад
Lol I came to say that phone numbers keighley .. I remember Bob too :) 😃
@sammymcfone8281
@sammymcfone8281 Год назад
He did bad repairs and was always drunk on the job. Lol just kidding. Never met the man... Isnt the Internet awesome?
@sammymcfone8281
@sammymcfone8281 Год назад
Bob moorehouse sounds like bob monkhouse. Remember him.. He had a like a permanent s eating grin. Member? Member? I member.
@bigredracingteam9642
@bigredracingteam9642 Год назад
@@sammymcfone8281 You don't sound quite right in the head, boy!
@hbarcellos76
@hbarcellos76 3 года назад
AMIGA = local craftsman & global delivery ! Bought my first A500, back in 1989, in Brazil, smuggled through Paraguay
@hbarcellos76
@hbarcellos76 3 года назад
@securitycountercheck indeed. I would say that, theoretically enlightened absolutism would be better. But, simply put, it's impossible. Leaving us with democracy, as said by Churchill, the worst form of Government except for all others.
@Viperante
@Viperante 3 года назад
Aww, nice to see my old Amiga getting some love and a great new home. :) I can tell you it was only ever repaired one time (I never opened it up myself), and that was to replace the disk drive. That repair shop no longer exists. And yeah, it was in Keighley. :D
@RMCRetro
@RMCRetro 3 года назад
Oh hey! Great to see you here! Do you have any idea about where the screw bulge came from? Also what did you use it for/play on it most?
@Viperante
@Viperante 3 года назад
@@RMCRetro Hey - I have no idea about the bulge. I don't remember ever even noticing it. :D Must be like you said - they put in the wrong screw and realised too late. Sticker was still intact so it didn't happen afterwards. :) I used to play all kinds of games, but mostly Monkey Island and other adventure games, and Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter 2. Still got 'em all actually. :D
@herdarkshadow834
@herdarkshadow834 2 года назад
I ran 600s and 1200s but always preferred the footprint of the 600 on my desk. It was such a cute little thing. I still have it in my office along with a 1200 on display. I’ve owned hundreds of computers, repaired thousands, but have only loved four and the 600 and 1200 were two of those.
@scottgamedev
@scottgamedev 3 года назад
Bit of trivia for you: without revealing my *exact* location, about 200,000 Amiga 600 units were built literally over the hill from my house: at a plant in Irvine, North Ayrshire, Scotland. Prior to the pandemic, a friend and I drove by the industrial estate all the time, and would try to guess which building might have contained the SCI Systems plant. (That said: my actual Amiga growing up was a Desktop Dynamite-era A1200, a model I've reacquired, had Polymer recapped, and fitted with both an ACA 1221 (for RAM/slight acceleration) and a 16GB CF card for WHDLoad fun)
@raminybhatti5740
@raminybhatti5740 3 года назад
Sounds like a slightly less whimsical Charlie and Chocolate Factory, minus the chocolate and Charlie.
@cypherian2
@cypherian2 3 года назад
For me the AMIGA was always an aspirational machine. They were so sleek, cool, and ahead of their time! I never got the chance to own one, but I’m glad I can watch channels like this one and catch up on what I missed! Looking forward to Part 2!
@AlbinL80
@AlbinL80 3 года назад
It was my first and only Amiga! How can you not love it for that! :) I loved it!
@moarif9139
@moarif9139 3 года назад
mine too, i still have mine and still love it like i did the day i received it on my 12th birthday back in '92
@patchso
@patchso 3 года назад
And me! Later upgraded to an A1200. Luved em both.
@OtreblaMaslab
@OtreblaMaslab 3 года назад
I was kind of hoping there was a Micro SD card inside that SD card... Memory Matryoshka!
@dairedarcy1130
@dairedarcy1130 3 года назад
Yaaaaay! Thursday, it’s an RMC Amiga vid! What a lovely intro to the pre-weekend
@root42
@root42 3 года назад
Imagine if Commodore would have put at least an 68020 into the A600, and MAYBE even the AGA chipset, if not at least a variant of the ECS, with less compatibility issues and/or a regular VGA output, do get higher resolutions, and leverage the cheap PC monitors. But they were "too little, too late" with so many things. Well, I never had an Amiga as a kid, we started off with the PC, but now I own a 1987 German A500 and I will never let go of it. So much amazing games, and even more: the homebrew and demo scene is very much alive and kicking!
@ianhrp
@ianhrp 3 года назад
What a trip down memory lane, I loved my A600 can’t wait for part two - subscribed 👍🏻😁
@bobbobson4069
@bobbobson4069 3 года назад
Another great video documentary from rmc! Enjoyed every second of it. I used to be the proud owner of an A600. I loved it way more than the a500. Compact, beautiful and functional.
@dparks256
@dparks256 3 года назад
Just wanted to say great job with this video, I really enjoyed it, thanks for taking the time to make it!
@RMCRetro
@RMCRetro 3 года назад
My pleasure David, thank you for watching!
@lazarous123
@lazarous123 3 года назад
Oh man i loved this episode, when i saw the Amiga Format a genuine tear formed m8, thanks for that :D
@FuseyUK
@FuseyUK 3 года назад
I miss the days when I would wait all month for my Amiga Format to hit the door mat. I'd pour over those pages and read it over and over... until next month's issue arrived.
@GoWstingray
@GoWstingray 3 года назад
Love this channel! Nostalgia overload every time I watch. Love these build videos, there like trash to treasure, thanks Neil!
@RMCRetro
@RMCRetro 3 года назад
Thanks Iain, yeah this series is basically T2T except the A600 isn't really in bad enough condition to consider it trash cosmetically. Glad you're enjoying it!
@pedrofelck
@pedrofelck 3 года назад
Nice! I'm looking forward to part 2, I love those Amiga updates.
@SmoothEmJay
@SmoothEmJay 3 года назад
I always loved the A600. It was portable, it could fit in any bag and be taken to your relatives or friends homes. MOST of the games I had worked fine either out of the box OR with Relokick and I never once assumed it was a "lower end" Amiga. I went from this to the A1200.
@danyoutube7491
@danyoutube7491 3 года назад
I went from an A500 to the A1200. A couple of friends bought the A600, but I was always a bit puzzled about the release of it as it was obviously not a real advancement from the A500, which was already quite old (though still a very popular computer in 1992). That said, I recognised its compact charm and smart bright finish which it shared with the A1200. Great that you could take it to your friend's houses, I doubt many people would have done that with an A500!
@needfortweed8734
@needfortweed8734 3 года назад
My brother had one of these. Something I agreed with my friends on was the merits of Amigas vs PCs. I fell firmly on the PC side (because that was the machine I had), but I had to bow to them for programs such as Scala, backup to VHS tapes and the sheer sound and graphics capabilities of their machines.
@Kedvespatikus
@Kedvespatikus 3 года назад
Totally agree, I had the same feelings at the time. However the PC had two advantages which made it the winner: modularity and open hardware structure which resulted in megatons of available expansions. This became really evident when I started to upgrade - step by step, year by year - my first, 386SX-based PC to a 486DX4. It was never a problem to install or replace parts in order to keep my PC up to date; and always for a fraction of the cost of a new, similarly capable, up to date Amiga.
@needfortweed8734
@needfortweed8734 3 года назад
@@Kedvespatikus yeah, and I had a Sound Blaster as well, allowing for instance the soldiers in Dune 2 to speak to me. I had not heard much of that in their Amiga Games...
@cloerenjackson3699
@cloerenjackson3699 2 года назад
You also have to consider that most of the perceived benefits of the Amiga, accounted for by the sound and graphics chips, really had few ramifications outside of video games. If, like the sort of person who wanted to own a PC then, didn't really care about using your desktop for games, then the features of the Amiga celebrated by its fans didn't have much charm.
@bigredracingteam9642
@bigredracingteam9642 Год назад
@@cloerenjackson3699 Only if all you wanted to run was spreadsheets and word processors.
@MrMatte1983
@MrMatte1983 3 года назад
Can’t wait to see the finished product!
@mikipank
@mikipank 3 года назад
I miss this kind of project on RMC video, bild a "new" of old tech, and I like it, of course! Can't wait to see 2nd part. Cheers! 🍻⌨️🔧
@MrJohniemj
@MrJohniemj 3 года назад
Ohh, the hours i spent playing sensible soccer on this one!!!!
@Wildernessoutside
@Wildernessoutside 3 года назад
and cannon fodder
@Wildernessoutside
@Wildernessoutside 3 года назад
@Rooflesoft Games I always used to play as Utd or benfica
@abooogeek
@abooogeek 3 года назад
I remember buying out an A600 from a friend in HS for cheap back in 1996, but back then my Sega Saturn was eating it for breakfast (and did not have a dedicated monitor for it, so playing it on the TV was also killing it). I still remember buying some Amiga magazine (one called Dream, that was then consolidating an audience from Amiga-only to every non-Windows bringing BeOS and other OSes) for it. I ended boxing it and ship to a cousin in Syria so he could enjoy a computer as it was beyond affordable there (through PCs started to implement slowly but surely, thanks to the huge counterfeit market of bootleg copies and the cost of burning CDs going down).
@myownalias
@myownalias 3 года назад
It seems that all these years I was under in the wrong impression that the A600 was a cut down version of the A1200. I never owned a A600, I had a A1200, which was gifted to me for my 18th birthday, and I had not been into the Amiga scene before that, later seeing the A600, assuming in was a cut down version of the A1200, given it looked almost the same, just without the 10 key pad.
@stevescutt2865
@stevescutt2865 Год назад
yes, I think it was wasnt it ?
@Colin_Ames
@Colin_Ames 3 года назад
Another great video, thanks Neil. I have never owned an Amiga, and probably never will due to the cost, but still really enjoy watching the restoration and upgrade videos.
@pdaguytom
@pdaguytom 3 года назад
Kitted my 600 out similar to what you described and thoroughly enjoy it. Enjoyed the video.
@RMCRetro
@RMCRetro 3 года назад
Amiga 600, like it or loathe it? Vote now! And if you enjoyed this and would like to watch part 2 right now then head over the patreon.com/rmcretro where the Official Cave Dwellers enjoy 1 week of early access to all videos, ad-free. We're so close to the goal of 1000 patrons! Thank you for supporting the channel. Neil - RMC
@sffpv9671
@sffpv9671 3 года назад
Great video Neil, I really hope you start to fall in love with the mini miggy over the following episodes! I use an A600 as my "daily" and I absolutely love its upgrade-ability and compact size. I run a Furia with PCMCIA card, Plipbox and Null modem transfer cable (because you can never have enough ways to send stuff to your Amiga!) One simple upgrade you didn't mention but have probably already considered is a video/scart lead. Approx £15 of ebay. Thanks for the PSU link BTW. Will take a look. Good luck with the upgrades, those surface mounted caps can be an arse! Cheers
@andrewwoodmore6724
@andrewwoodmore6724 3 года назад
Love the channel, always a pleasure to watch. I picked up a refurbished A600 recently and it's laptop size form factor is useful when including it on a desk with other computers. A Gotek drive with external LED display is also useful. The frustrating thing I have found, but this is common to other computers of this age is the keyboard. Getting the keyboard to function consistently is difficult. The Amiga community is great for obtaining updated keyboard springs and keyboard membranes but the plungers with the rubber contacts deteriorate with age. I have improved the conductive nature of the plungers using KeyPad fix but still find 3 keys only work when pressed at certain angles. Repeatedly removing and reassembling the keyboard will also drive you nuts!
@laserwave6012
@laserwave6012 3 года назад
There is a new solid replacement membrane with replaceable ribbon and connector. It's great! I had the same problem as you. Now fixed. Google around.
@andrewwoodmore6724
@andrewwoodmore6724 3 года назад
@@laserwave6012 I do have one and I agree they are very good. I think the issue is with the plungers themselves, unfortunately they are the only part of the keyboard you cannot buy new :-)
@NostalgiaRetrogamer
@NostalgiaRetrogamer 3 года назад
Thank you Neil. Awesome as always
@arttu76
@arttu76 3 года назад
I added an extra usb keyboard adapter to my A600. That way I can use a usb numpad with games that require a numpad. The keyboard controller in A600 automatically supports numpad, so all software works with external numpad without any modifications.
@CommodoreGreg
@CommodoreGreg 3 года назад
THIS is great information and changes my attitude towards the 600.
@canispeaktodave
@canispeaktodave 2 года назад
I bought my A600 from my first pay cheque from ASDA in 1996. I was an Atari STe user before that. I never knew it was that old! All my friends had the A500. My A600 crashed all the time. It was only when I got a new kickstart disk and tried that out that it stopped crashing. Loved the machine (apart from the crashing)
@dmnsonic
@dmnsonic 3 года назад
This is the content I like to watch on your channel! Back to the origins!
@retrojb101
@retrojb101 3 года назад
The A600 was my first and only Amiga until I bought a CD32 last year. I thought it was a cracking little machine and it was the Another World advert that sold it to me. I’m glad I still have it but it’s at my parents house. Definitely on the list for a refurb and will be looking forward to the next set of videos. Currently recapping the CD32 and SMD caps are not my favourite right now. Great video Neil. Keep them coming!
@amigacoverdisk
@amigacoverdisk 3 года назад
Great vid thanks, and nice idea for a series. My first Amiga was a 600. Loved the form factor, but as a flight sim fan it did cause some frustration, with the lack of keypad :). It was a nice stop gap on the path from C64 to A1200 though!
@wakefieldoutlaw
@wakefieldoutlaw 3 года назад
As the 600 was my first, and only Amiga, I may love it more than most! There was some kind of work around for the numeric keypad, as one of my favourite PD games used it...however I have no idea what it was now!
@neilthomas6042
@neilthomas6042 3 года назад
I look forward to watching the next video to see how it turns out.
@nilz23
@nilz23 3 года назад
Just got my book and I must say it is really nice, thanks!
@RMCRetro
@RMCRetro 3 года назад
Thank YOU!
@retrorunner79
@retrorunner79 3 года назад
Quality content as always.
@RMCRetro
@RMCRetro 3 года назад
Very kind thank you
@ms-dosman7722
@ms-dosman7722 3 года назад
When you put that pipe there my mind went: "C'est ne pas un Amiga A600"
@apdewis
@apdewis 3 года назад
Glad I'm not the only one that made that connection lol
@newkfromrotterdam
@newkfromrotterdam 3 года назад
probably set the mind from Andy Warhol's "Banana"
@0xTJ
@0xTJ 3 года назад
Can't wait for the next part!
@dazkenney6154
@dazkenney6154 3 года назад
I never had an A600 back in the day but I have one now and it's an awesome machine. A1200 prices are crazy and getting crazier by the minute. The A600 is a nice compromise and looks sweet in a Plexilaser case if that's your bag. Another top vid Neil. 👍
@AdiSneakerFreak
@AdiSneakerFreak Год назад
Loved the A600 growing up . Perfect form factor for a kids bedroom.
3 года назад
As always, great video, Neil! It might be a good idea to upgrade the Kickstart as well, as the stock 2.x had some issues with hard drives. Just a thought.
@ChristinaGXL
@ChristinaGXL 3 года назад
Oh my gosh that was repaired the day I was born!
@RMCRetro
@RMCRetro 3 года назад
How are your capacitors holding out?
@ChristinaGXL
@ChristinaGXL 3 года назад
@@RMCRetro I think I should see my doctor about a recap if I'm honest
@londongaz2
@londongaz2 3 года назад
And now all of us 'Thatcher generation' feel old!
@MOS6582
@MOS6582 3 года назад
@@RMCRetro This is an excellent joke and I don't want to diminish it in any way. However this being a nerd channel, I was just about to comment a correction about the capacitor plague. The plague was a late-90's phenomenon and hadn't started when Amigas were being made. The caps in the Amiga era were mostly well made and if they're failing now it's from graceful old age rather than stolen (and broken) electrolyte recipes.
@Njazmo
@Njazmo 3 года назад
I think my caps are leaking. Hmm.
@danielson9579
@danielson9579 3 года назад
I love these type of episodes 🙂👍
@rymixxx
@rymixxx 3 года назад
I'd love to see a detailed recap video. I've got loads of retro gear that I want to be brave enough to recap, but I need a lot of encouragement first.
@spinbizzy8421
@spinbizzy8421 3 года назад
I recently DIY'ed the caps for the A1200 - really hoping you won't brutalize your pads by twisting them off with pliers, hot-air is difficult for the components around the area (plastic keyboard connector). I hope, upon reading this, you and others will consider doing what worked for me: *use TWO soldering irons!* It is by far the best way to go! Add a bit of solder and flux to each existing solder joint to loosen it up, then two soldering irons with conical tips on both sides of the cap, and they come clean off in 5-10 seconds. Life changer for me, was very nervous about breaking the A1200, huge relief to have tried this method, no risk at all of damaging anything, great piece of mind.. went from maximum stress to moment of zen. Hope I'm not too late.
@DavePoo2
@DavePoo2 3 года назад
I've recapped 2 A600's now and reapped my own 90's Amiga 600 this week. I did a video on the recapping. I'm using hot air (and i've recapped 2 A600's with zero damage now) . I did a video and i went through all the other techniques that are going about, I mentioned the 2 soldering iron technique but i didn't see anyone doing a video on that. My video is here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Rb77VOHj0WQ.html
@mc0burn
@mc0burn 3 года назад
People are so angry about cap twisting 😂
@spinbizzy8421
@spinbizzy8421 3 года назад
@@DavePoo2 Thanks I am enjoying your video right now. While I have hot air as an option (and use it for my some surface mounted components on my own (humble) designs) I decided against it due to the caps behind the keyboard connector, and the square delay line boxes on the left of the A1200; looking at your video, the A600 is similarly challenged when it comes to the caps near the audio. Glad you found something that works, hope you'll find an opportunity to give the twin iron approach a try, see if it works for you. Now I'll go hit play and continue watching your video.
@FernandoelChachi
@FernandoelChachi 3 года назад
@@DavePoo2 I haven't tried, but I don't like the idea about cap twisting. I desoldered the caps with the suction pump or copper braid and that worked fine. Flux is always very important. I know that the hot air as it seems avoids some problems that the soldering iron can produce if you are not so good with it.
@chriscrossan8034
@chriscrossan8034 3 года назад
Why not use soldering tweezers?
@wafaiamar9435
@wafaiamar9435 3 года назад
I used to have all of the Camodor family and Amiga in 80 and 90 were the best days
@bambionice
@bambionice 3 года назад
I got my Amiga 600 out of my parents loft a couple of months ago in preparation for a future episode like this. 😊
@CompuforceWally
@CompuforceWally 3 года назад
I was surprised by the fact that this is the rev 2D [the last] and not the early rev 1.0 or 1.1 [Aka A300]. This is because the PCMCIA slot vent edges in your case are of a tighter size-fit compared to other revisions. If you check other A600 cases, you will see that PCMCIA slots vents are of equal rectangular size [exact like those found on the A1200s]. Another thing to be aware of and to take note for those who are gonna disassemble for the first time is that the A600 case has the fragile clips on the back, where in this video it clearly shows that you had not struggle to detach the bottom part from the upper part of the case, that should mean they are already broken from the previous repairer[s]. My A600 upgrades include the ACA620EC accelerator board and an inbuilt GoTek drive, great for WHDload and also is the Amiga which I use for many events due to portability :) Keep it up Neil, eagerly waiting for part 2 :)
@travistaylor3186
@travistaylor3186 2 года назад
I always enjoy watching your Amiga content. I was the odd kid in the US that had a video toaster equipped Amiga 2500 while everyone else had IBM PC compatibles. When I switched to a PC in the 90s my parents donated my Amiga. I was sad then and years later I still am.
@laserwave6012
@laserwave6012 3 года назад
I've been doing the exact same upgrade of my 600 this year with the exact same goal. Stock compatibility with modern enhancements. In addition also did upgrade the keyboard membrane. Curious to what path you're going to take with the O.S. Can't wait for the next episodes. I am by the way working on a tool for managing and launching WHDL files. PM if you're interested. Cheers from Sweden.
@stevemann6082
@stevemann6082 3 года назад
i love the a600, the issue back then was price, but i think it was worth it for the form factor. :) the amiga sure held its price over the decades. love the video's and all things amiga. i added a furia but the it didn't work on the june bug, but did work on the older model. not sure why because they both work fine.
@JohnHeritage
@JohnHeritage 3 года назад
This is an excellent quality video (as always) - thanks RMC! I do think the PCMCIA and onboard storage helps a ton with the modern era on the 600. It's unfortunate that Wicher doesn't also make an accelerator for the 600 like the 508i. A faster 68000 (speed selectable) on top of what you've built would be perfect for those games (3D or later ECS) where you want just a little more performance without losing any compatibility..
@briebelbus1524
@briebelbus1524 3 года назад
I’m looking forward to the repair video of replacing those smd capacitors. I own annAmiga 600HD since 1996 (picked it up for pennies on a fleeemarket backthen) and maxed it out with an Appolo 020 acceleratorcard. It costed me tons of money. And them I didn’t start to use the machine. I just could like it. I loved my A500 with A590HDD and my later A1200 & A4000, but the A600 wasn’t my favorite machine. I hope the recap video inspires me to tackle the same job. Nice video and love your channel Greetings from the Netherlands Marcel
@ianjeffery3762
@ianjeffery3762 3 года назад
Love the video.... just wish i could watch the next one now!
@RMCRetro
@RMCRetro 3 года назад
You can at patreon.com/rmcretro :D - Thanks Ian
@CK-bv3qb
@CK-bv3qb 3 года назад
I had an A600 with a 1MB RAM upgrade and a 128 MB hard drive. I remember playing Monkey Island 2 on it having a great time while my friends juggled their 11 floppies to travel between the islands on their old pleb A500s. Also had a Kickstart 1.3 software solution installed on the hard drive so I could play the games that didn’t like the ECS chipset. No numeric keypad? No problem... I installed a program that could remap the keys to unused keys on the keyboard. Loved my A600.
@foxhoundGR28
@foxhoundGR28 3 года назад
Nice! I purchased an Amiga 600 1 year ago and I have the same upgrades except for the fast RAM I have 4mb. I'm in the middle of recap now :X
@seshpenguin
@seshpenguin 3 года назад
Ooo, this is going to be exciting! I'm not super familiar with the Amigas, so this will be interesting to watch.
@froedlmetallmann4643
@froedlmetallmann4643 3 года назад
I remember the warnings of peers, not to get an A500+, nor an A600 because of the incompatibility issues. We were too poor for any of those machines, but my brother got an A500 from one of his friends in the 2000s in some kind of trading. Including the awesome stereo Commodore monitor. Today, I‘d love owning an A600.
@little_fluffy_clouds
@little_fluffy_clouds 2 года назад
I’ve converted an old, empty Amiga 600 case into a MiSTer machine using a guide I found online and some 3D printed parts from eBay. It works brilliantly with the Minimig FPGA core and looks really neat, using the integrated keyboard through a Keyrah adapter card.
@lancebukkake
@lancebukkake 3 года назад
ahhhh yes - the good ol Amiga Format mags, this was when we had no internet and had to wait for the latest and greatest...and when the mags came out it was worth the wait. Sometimes waiting just makes things so much better.
@MikeyGRetro
@MikeyGRetro 3 года назад
Great video Neil. My first Amiga was an A600 and never had the A500 so I have fond memories of mine which I sadly don't have the original but do have one again. I did similar videos covering it but went with Furia card. Will you be upgrading the kickstart roms?
@dj_paultuk7052
@dj_paultuk7052 3 года назад
A bit unrelated, but ive just realised that SAAB's Trionic 5 engine management system released in early 1993 was more powerful than the A600. It had a Motorola 6800 running at 20Mhz, and 2MB of RAM. And 512kb of Storage. It was at the time, the most powerful and advanced engine management system in the world.
@benbaselet2026
@benbaselet2026 3 года назад
6800 or 68000? Makes several bits of a difference :) Anyways, in 1993 the 68k was already tremendously old news (introduced in 1979!). I mean the 68030 was already out in 1987, 68040 in 1991. back then those were very long years too as tech went forward rapidly. I guess Motorola never got their manufacturing process up to speed to make the chips cheaply enough. Or some government military program ate up all the production capacity. Who knows.
@stevescutt2865
@stevescutt2865 Год назад
I had an A500+ with the HD8 hard disk with 8Mb of RAM. I LOVED that machine. I also had an A600 with 60Mb HDD. I think I've still got them both round my partners folks mouldering away in a shed somewhere. Neil, you've inspired me to try and dig them out. :)
@mrfoameruk
@mrfoameruk 3 года назад
Finally found a video worth watching.. just watched someone try and sell me a small oled monitor for £650 and another video for a video camera that £6000......I am so grateful for this video.
@stevenwaite1063
@stevenwaite1063 3 года назад
Must admit having a Amiga 500 and then a 1200 I guess I looked down upon a A600. No idea why though. Also a great video and looking forward to part 2.
@benjaminnice
@benjaminnice 3 года назад
So, things that I like about the A600 for modern use over an A500. It’s more portable with a vga to 23 pin adaptor plug in, memory exp for chip and fast ram installed and wireless networking PCMCIA card (more on that in a moment) in the slot and everything you want is in the unit. So it is lug around or pull out of cupboard as the case maybe. You can even add a pretty decent accelerator if you want to. Networking isn’t so easy and cheep on other Amigas other than A600 and A1200, I have brought a couple of networking PCMCIA cards an ethernet card and wireless card 802.11 card. So that is why I like the A600 more now than I did in the day. Ben
@PixelsAtDawn
@PixelsAtDawn 3 года назад
I loved my A600 back in the day - for someone purchasing a new Amiga in 1993, it looks sleeker and sexier than the old lump A500, and wasn't as expensive as the A1200. In retrospect I should have upgraded it with a hard drive though, but those weren't cheap in 1993 and opening up a machine was an alien world for me back then - getting one from the store would have bumped the price up by 50% for a 64Mb drive! The upgrades you've gone for pretty much reflect what I have for my modern day A600, although I substituted the Wicher for a static RAM PCMCIA card, which gives me an extra 2Mb. I'd heard a few stories of the over-chip upgrades popping off unceremoniously, so I decided to steer clear at the time. 4Mb total RAM runs most WHDLoad stuff. I also upgraded the mouse and joystick but I suspect you might have one or two Monster Joysticks sitting around :) The only other consideration is connecting to a monitor. I picked up an RGB to SCART lead, and then upscaled it into the VGA socket on a 15Hz compliant monitor. There are options for RGB to VGA I believe, but I have the option to go straight into a TV too with this setup. Looking forward to the next video! You treat that A600 right! :D
@Nick_R_
@Nick_R_ 3 года назад
I just bought a 17 inch Benq multi-scan monitor for this purpose. Surprisingly good specs and image quality. GBP94 from CPC.
@attilaracz2034
@attilaracz2034 3 года назад
It is a great little and beautiful Amiga
@BoomBox02
@BoomBox02 3 года назад
Really enjoying your videos. Ahhh the Amiga 600. My most hated machine in the Amiga line of computers. Back in the 90's i had an Amiga 500. When the time came to upgrade to a better Amiga, i had 2 options in my price range when i visited an Amiga dealer. There was a used A2500 in top condition. It had an 030 card, hard drive and some extra fast ram inside. The other option was a brand new A600 without a hard drive. I went with the A600 and dreaded the decision pretty much the first day i got it home. I was a huge demo fan so thats the first thing i tried. I was disappointed that a lot of the demos i enjoyed watching on me A500 did not work on the A600. I spoke to the guys at the Amiga store and they suggested that i needed a rom swapper with Kickstart 1.3 as thats what my A500 had, so i bought the rom swapper and a kickstart 1.3 chip. I also bought 1mb extra ram for the trap door as i needed it for some of the larger animations i wanted to watch. As soon as i got home, i began fitting the rom swapper and extra ram. I eagerly boot the A600 with kickstart 1.3 and insert one the demo that would not run. To my surprise, after forking out extra money i really could have used on other things, the demo still did not run. I founf out later that some of the demos needed slow ram. I only kept the A600 for a few months before trading the whole lot for just $120au at cash converters cause i was so disappointed with the machine. I ended up getting another A500 and later moved to an A1200. Since then up to a few years ago, i have revisited the A600 on 3 occasions thinking my experience with it will be different. On all 3 occasions i ended up selling the thing in disappointment. A lot of people tell me, "you should have kept it and used it as whdload machine" but if you where a big fan of Amiga demo's and used your Amiga as a main computer for all of the 90's like myself, you would know that what is available on whdload is probably only a quarter (if that) of the Amiga software available. Not sure if i read correct a while ago, not sure if whdload software will run on a 68000 CPU. I read it needs a 68010 or above. I could be wrong though?? Hope the A600 does you well in the end of all this. Cheers
@emlyndewar
@emlyndewar 3 года назад
My first and only Amiga. I loved it.
@CCfiftyeight
@CCfiftyeight 3 года назад
I Loved my 600 from the first day! It, ehm, she was my first own computer and I she stay with me till today! 😁
@Evert850
@Evert850 3 года назад
Same here! :)
@MOS6582
@MOS6582 3 года назад
Another original A600 owner joining in. I will never let it go :)
@mrbagitos
@mrbagitos 3 года назад
If your only using the A600 for games it’s a great machine (unless you want to play certain flight sims 😀). The small form factor allows you to slide it into your setup with ease. Back in the day I would pop it in my back pack and take it round my mates house to play Lotus 2 with a null modem cable which we went halves on from Tandy.
@laserwave6012
@laserwave6012 3 года назад
Fits perfectly in a 15" laptop slim backpack with a modern psu :)
@damienretro4416
@damienretro4416 3 года назад
The best thing about the A600 is that it flopped and the crazy discounts meant I could finally afford an Amiga
@kcolbinyar
@kcolbinyar 2 года назад
I had one of those GVP HD8+ units. It transformed my miggy into such a great machine. Brilliant bit of kit. I saw one in Oz last year on ebay for about £500! The A600 was a poor step for C=, but I've two of them now, one with a Vampire and I NOW love them.
@prockrog5219
@prockrog5219 2 года назад
Great video! I bought my first PC in 1991 after being a die hard Amiga fan for years. The Amiga 500 was such a revolution when it came out. All my friends had Commodore 64, 128 or ZX Spectrums, but I never understood the appeal. I thought they sucked and I spend my money at the local arcade instead where sound and graphics were in a different league. Then the A500 came and I instantly became a computer enthusiast. But it was slow, and when it couldn't keep up with Sid Meier's Railroad Tycoon I upgraded to a 386 PC and haven't used an Amiga ever since. I do look forward to the A500 mini though to play some classics and hopefully it will be able to play some demos which was the coolest thing about the Amiga scene if you aske me.
@tcrime
@tcrime 3 года назад
I still have my original A600, bought as a Christmas present in 1992. One interesting thing I noticed compared to the one you featured is that my Amiga had no RF shielding inside, despite me also being in the UK and owning the thing from brand new. Seems this was only a requirement on computers sold into the US market... but that makes me wonder where yours was intended for.
@studioviper3016
@studioviper3016 3 года назад
Hated the a600 when it came out, but it's the only Amiga that makes sense nowadays. All the other Amigas are too big.
@garyhart6421
@garyhart6421 3 года назад
Even the CD32 ? :)
@NemanjaVuj
@NemanjaVuj 3 года назад
My heavily expanded Amiga 500 disagrees... ;)
@epicon6
@epicon6 3 года назад
I had the 500. I loved the shape and the look of it
@SpecR22
@SpecR22 3 года назад
The A600 was my gateway into desktop computing/gaming, I absolutely loved it. Growing up in a low income household, I never expected to have my own computer, just hand me down consoles from extended family. But, in 1994 my parents were able to scrape together enough money to buy me a 2nd hand A600 for Christmas. Christmas morning arrives and i was left dumbfounded to find what was lurking beneath that awful wrapping paper, my very own Amiga (Bundled with the most ghetto, cobbled together "game pack" the computer shop had thrown together i might add) Sure, it wasn't the shiny, brand spanking new A1200 my cousin had received for his birthday earlier that year but this A600 was MINE and it opened me up to a whole world that i had never seen before. I was particularly enamoured by the demo scene and cracktros, going as far as to get more excited for a new cracked game just to see the latest intro/music/greetz and bbs info.
@StewiesRetroGaming
@StewiesRetroGaming 3 года назад
I already do my friend! Is one of my favouite machines I've ever owned 😉👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@craigmacdonald4987
@craigmacdonald4987 3 года назад
Oh eck, you brave or foolish man! I was so disappointed when it came out, but bought and loved the A1200 😊
@geezerbigfoot
@geezerbigfoot 3 года назад
it looked toy like being small compaired to my 1.2 romed a 500 was superia same o story when the e c s a0500 came out problem's with compatability not again ithought but when i saw the 1200 i got that then later a cd unit
@morphshag
@morphshag 3 года назад
My A600 has a vampire in it, BUT before I bought that I ran it at stock speeds with 1mb Trapdoor and 9.5mb CPU piggy back expansion and honestly for "most" WHDload games it was fine. Running a pre-built Workbench install I used it for playing games, listening to mods and just faffing around with and loved every minute of it.
@aeiouxs
@aeiouxs 3 года назад
It's healthy to take a step back and reassess our dislike for the A600! As an original A500 owner back in 89, I can now seen the benefits of the 600 having that pesky, long A520 Modulator integrated, pretty good if you ask me. Also, I've just realised the A600 had 1mb Chip Ram total, right? So that's an upgrade from the 500's stock 512k (I spent a fortune - iirc around 1/3 the price of the A500 - adding the additional 512k RAM into the trapdoor). Also you didn't mention the relocated Joystick ports, which look more practical for hotswapping! I think we'd all be far more cool with it, if it had been called the A300 and come in at 249 gbp, at the same time/after the A1200. Keen to see the results on this project though Neil!
@stumblepuppy606
@stumblepuppy606 3 года назад
The Amiga 600 was the first Amiga that I ever had, and it sparked a life-long love for the platform. It was also the second Amiga that I ever had, after the floppy drive stopped working on the first and I got rid of it, and picked up the second in around 1998 for £3, and sadly that one lasted about a month before I accidentally stood on it in the middle of the night. I never had any issues with software compatibility (legally owned software, that is - there were some less than legal copies of games that I had that wouldn't work but that's different: all legal software I got worked fine). Nice little machine, still love them.
@TzOk
@TzOk 3 года назад
Many A600s didn't have the top shielding installed from the factory. I had 2 A600s and both had leaked capacitors. In one, this led to the complete breakdown of the PCB paths around the audio filters. Nevertheless, I still like the A600, for its compact form factor (it is about the same size as Atari 65XE, and it fits into my laptop bag, together with a laptop). My upgrades consist of a CF-IDE adapter, Kickstart 3.1, 1MB Chip RAM expansion + RTC, and a 4MB Fast RAM expansion. I really regret, choosing another expansion than Wicher 608 :( I have SukkoPera's Open Amiga 600 Fast Ram Expansion, which is more expensive, and only 4MB. The PCMCIA card won't work with 8MB Fast RAM board. I have 4MB, but had no luck with finding a working adapter/card combination. P.S. "Wicher" is supposed to be spelled as "vi-her", and its name means "a gale".
@ToddsNerdCave
@ToddsNerdCave 3 года назад
Amiga 600 is love. Amiga 600 is life! 😍
@Njazmo
@Njazmo 3 года назад
A500 was my love, installed some (1Mb fast) memory on the actual motherboard, had a huge 8MB in the expansion slot, 28MHz accelerator, plus a 100Mb hard drive, which had a 2Mb of memory expansion. And of course the kickstar switcher, 1.3 or 2.04, and perhaps there was ECS also. Good times.
@jasonlee7816
@jasonlee7816 3 года назад
@BigLBA1 why is (was) the Amiga 600 released 7 or 8 years too late?
@10MARC
@10MARC 3 года назад
Excellent introduction to the A600. Back in the day, they were pretty worthless, especially to us in America who had probably already expanded the daylights out of our A2000's and A500's, or were eyeing the A3000. In 2020 I would love to have one though, as the compact size makes them very adorable. They are still pretty limited as far as expandability due to the PCMCA slot not really working well with more than four megabytes of RAM, but you can overcome that by sticking a vampire in there.
@bazza5699
@bazza5699 3 года назад
hey neil, nice tidy job you've got on your hands there.. i'm intrigued by the power supply.. back in the day (hate that expression) a friend of mine used to have a 600.. and, like you, i thought why? especially when 6 months later the 1200 came out.. I always saw the 600 and a pointless addition to the product line.. commodore, IMO, should have gone from the 500 to the 1200.. can't wait to see the following parts in the series :) stay safe.
@louiseogden1296
@louiseogden1296 3 года назад
Thanks for this. Will you be doing the 1200 as well?
@RMCRetro
@RMCRetro 3 года назад
Oh yes, that's in the queue, as well as a CDTV and an A1000 which needs a really good clean
@owenrichards1418
@owenrichards1418 3 года назад
I worked for Packard Bell support in the late 90's. It taught me that it's OK to loathe a particular computer. Let the hate flow through you - do it!
@abergethirty
@abergethirty 3 года назад
I used my 1200's PCMCIA slot for a network card and it was my first internet machine. I used it along side my Windows PC for most of the 90's, mostly for IRC chat running Linux.
@stejjie
@stejjie 3 года назад
My Amiga 600 was my first Amiga, so I have a lot of love for it. I got it when I was 13, having saved up my paper round money for *months* - remember the thrill of going into Dixons in Sheffield and finally getting this machine I'd wanted for soooo long, along with the Wild, Weird and Wicked pack (and a joystick that Dixons threw in for free). I didn't know (or care) about the controversies that surrounded the 600 - I was just so glad to finally have an Amiga (though I did spot an A1200 in another shop window and tried to persuade my parents that I should buy that as it was the same price, but better; however, that didn't come with any games so that didn't work). And it lasted me a good decade, most of that time with 1 floppy drive and 2 megs of RAM - wrote all my school and uni essays on it, including my dissertation! But I can see now why it was disliked, although that doesn't change my opinion of the machine. I think if you were new to the Amiga it wasn't a bad entry point, but I can see that if you had an A500/+ then it didn't offer much in the way of reasons to upgrade. I do wish I'd saved up afterwards for an Amiga 1200, though!
@bigfellaism
@bigfellaism 3 года назад
I didn't have an Amiga 600, but my brother and I loved our A500. I took it to University too. I used it for all my school assignments, games and I went on some local BBSs too. We had 1 meg of RAM and one external floppy. We enjoyed so many great games on it! It was an amazing Chritmas present for us.
@stbagn
@stbagn 3 года назад
The A600 has always been the ugly duckling of the Amiga range. The Vampire was its sweet revenge. It’s so tiny and cute nowadays and that built in IDE port in hindsight is quite handy.
@GregDaniel78
@GregDaniel78 3 года назад
This was my first amiga which I got in my christmas stocking in 92. I have very font memories of this one and kitted it out with a 40mb hard-disk and cd-rom drive via the PCMCIA slot. Lets just say, the specs and the other cost reductions convinced me by 1993 to upgrade to an accelerated A1200.
@8ightbytes186
@8ightbytes186 3 года назад
Great Video as always. I do also have to admit the same as the comment below however... - Myself, as well the majority of the people who I knew with Amigas back in the day, were genuinely under the impression that the A600 was a new machine and the lessor, cut down machine version of the A1200 - given that 600 is half of 1200, same colour and design, albeit smaller etc. A clever play by whoever decided on the A600 name to make a lot of people think this
@zxkim8136
@zxkim8136 3 года назад
i have a furia in mine neil and those dry caps are brilliant mate. if the witcher is above 4mb ram you will have to install a switch so you can use the pcmcia socket mate ....nice vid seeya on the next one Neil
@RMCRetro
@RMCRetro 3 года назад
Ah I have been trying to figure that out thank you Kim, you may have just solved a problem for me
@jupo42
@jupo42 3 года назад
I also hated the concept of the A600 when it was new. A pokey 68000 with 1MB RAM in 1992? Slow IDE instead of SCSI? No numpad? An incompatible PCMCIA slot instead of Zorro? And all of this for the same price as a full A500? No thanks! ...and yet, today, the ease of throwing an absurdly huge CF card on the IDE bus, adding a dirt cheap PCMCIA network card, and having a space saving design is extremely appealing compared to kitting out an A500 or A2000. Time has definitely changed my mind, and now I'm jealous of A600 owners...
@FernandoelChachi
@FernandoelChachi 3 года назад
I'll love to see it recapped and then growing from "stock" components, and later install for example a Furia board. You could also install something else later. I don't have an idea about what can you actually add to make it to work better.
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