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The Commodore Plus/4 released in 1984 was an attempt by Commodore to jump on the home productivity and business boat by creating a computer with built in business software. It failed, but it's still an interesting piece of computing history. Not compatible with the Commodore 64, but offering slightly different specifications, it has a reasonable amount of software and peripherals. In this video I'll be loading some games, typing in some code and looking at the Plus/4 in general.
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@chakyikac6781 6 лет назад

I can't believe nobody knows about one more hidden gem +4 has: built-in machine code monitor.

@EllipticRecords 6 лет назад

The Plus 4 was my first computer and remember it well. Loved playing Treasure Island, that was my fav.

@azop 8 лет назад

The joystick port two is basically the port one. the same thing was done in commodore 64; most games used post 2 instead of 1

@arvizturotukorfurogep6235 8 лет назад

A couple of things: -The key combination to invoke the command line in the built-in utilities is CBM+C. You could ram the lonely CBM key all year and it wouldn't work :) -There isn't any higher resolution graphics mode in the Plus/4 over C16, its the same graphics modes in both. -But both the C16 and the Plus/4 DO have a smooth scrolling capability! -You didn't talk about the reset switch, which, like the cursor keys, is a minor but god-sent commodity which C64s could have used. -Neither talked about the TED chip, the core of the C16 / Plus/4 range, combining video, sound, and I/O into a single cheapo chippy (basically all the features that the C64 had custom chips for and made it famous/did mostly better). -There is no mouse made for the Plus/4, but the C64's 1351 mouse can be used in joystick emulation mode and with a joystick port converter. Even GEOS got ported over to the Plus/4 and was sold in Germany!

@johnparker007 6 лет назад

The bouncing ball program should actually move the ball up and down too! There's an error in the handwritten listing, line 40 should read: 40 LET R=R+DR ...then the ball will bounce all around the screen instead of just left/right :)

@TruAnRksT 4 года назад

I had one of these, it was great, I got it basically as a door prize for listening to a real estate scam. It cost me nothing. I learned basic on it. I bought the 1541 to go with it. Worked great for about a year then static brought it down. I have two of them now.

@104d_3rr0r_vince 8 лет назад

This machine needs a good cleaning and probably the enter key will work again.

@KindaLeon 7 лет назад

The c16 was the first computer I ever used, my family got one for Christmas in 1985. I remember the Mastertronic games well, in fact you have two of the games I owned, Mr Puniverse and Spectipede. I remember the first day we got Spectipede, we put it on and my Dad was way better than I was at it, so I got upset and hid it. Haha.

@zemaj0 8 лет назад

excellent video used to have her Commodore plus 4 back in the day I forgot it was backwards compatible with the Commodore 16 thanks for the memories

@interlace84 8 лет назад

At 16:29 the ghost of the haunted Commodore c16 Plus/4 appears.

@RetroDawn 5 лет назад

Woah! What was that?

@Volker-Dirr Год назад

It is not on the screen. It is in front of it. Looks like cobweb or hair with a lot of dust or something like that. It is falling down and flying up again (since by chance he talk/breath/wave to the desktop and so the air bounce and push it up again).

@JohnGodwin 7 лет назад

This video has only been playing two minutes, and maybe it's in the video, but this was the first computer I ever owned, and Fire Ant was amazing.

@mjaap 7 лет назад

A friend of mine owned one - they (C16 and Plus/4) were sold on the cheap at the super market. German publisher Kingsoft had a good reputation for developing quality software for these machines, including clones of Winter and Summer Games. The BASIC was quite nice, but a couple of years later someone developed a BASIC extension for the C64 that brought all the BASIC 3.5 commands to the C64.

@Consoletronix 8 лет назад

Great overview man. The plus 4 was my first computer and i remember all those games, mastertronic were the main software developers for the machine.

@LuriTV 6 лет назад

The Commodore plus 4 was my first own computer as well. But I didn't actually got games for it. My brother inherited the C64 with datasette and disc drive instead. So I had to made my own games with basic instead at this time.

@scottbreon9448 6 лет назад

Mastertronic, Kingsoft, and Anco were pretty much the three big game developers for the TED model Commodores

@r5cpt 6 лет назад

Couldn't be arsed to fix the keyboard? I expected a bit more from a Nostalgia Nerd video. This was shoddy.

@werre2 5 лет назад

so was the machine. Gzus christ. I remember seeing _one_ of these ever in real life. Beyond pathetic.

@tschak909 5 лет назад

The PLUS/4 was not the original intent of the machine design. The 116 was. The port arrangement and selection were literally a result of the much smaller 116 footprint, where the connectors that had become standard on the VIC-20 and C64, simply would not fit on the case. When the 116 became the 264, and 364, the keyboard was improved, and the casing was retooled to fit the larger keyboard, but the connectors were brought over, verbatim.

@WendeXTX 8 лет назад

Considering the failure of the Plus/4 and 16 I'm impressed with the number of games it has. Also, Commodore had a Royal Warrant? Now I have visions of the Queen playing Turrican.

@Hunnenhorst 6 лет назад

Nice to see my first Computer here on RU-vid. I had mine upgraded with a 1551 Floppy Disk drive. I enjoyed playing games on it, even if I was always a but jealous about my friends who owned a C64 and had loads of games to play where I only had a hand full. Later I actually did even work with it and used it for typing documents. I do not remember with which application, it surely was not the built in. I even built a printer interface that enabled me to hook up a printer with a centronics interface to the Plus/4. I used an HP LaserJet 4l with it.

@tylisirn 6 лет назад

Most Commodore games used port 2 because port 1 interferes badly with the keyboard. The joysticks don't have dedicated input pins in the CIA, they're wired in through the keyboard matrix. Either the Plus/4 had the same setup, or it was just inertia from the 64 (may as well use the same conventions, since users will be used to them).

@andygozzo72 7 лет назад

you dont need to switch off and on to restart, there is a reset button 😉

@onlyonewhyphy 8 лет назад

Off to look for modern, heavy mixes of the Blockbusters theme

@Weird.Dreams 8 лет назад

Love your videos dude. Yoghurt is correct, WTF Bob?

@rifter0x0000 6 лет назад

Yoghurt has been considered correct in the past, but the spelling most often used these days is yogurt. I guess back in the 80s they used that spelling on this game, but I do remember seeing the h spelling in the 80s. The thing about games back then is they were very literal. Exact spelling, usually capitalization, and sometimes punctuation were required, much like almost anything you'd do on the computer. There weren't generally a lot of alternate acceptable answers.

@sublime_ 2 месяца назад

Those were pretty nifty for the time and price range. I think you have a faulty keyboard there my guy. I don’t remember the one we had being unresponsive like that. Treasure Island was my favourite game on that. It’s strange seeing one being used again. Fond memories

@EdgyNumber1 8 лет назад

interesting, Dave Pleasance sales and marketing team sold shed loads of these to Brazil, if I recall. His boss offered a case of champagne to those that sold every 25 units. (it was that bad..) He, in particular, got champagne by the truckload.

@Antireality 6 лет назад

Still got my plus/4 (Complete with knackered keyboard, naturally :) They do have the same hardware scrolling that the commodore 64 has (up to 8 pixels then shift the characters manually). It's not a bad machine, it's just not a C64.

@TheKsax 8 лет назад

Another vintage goodness. Love hearing about obscure systems.

@be236 4 года назад

I have this Commodore Plus/4 in storage. Hope to take it out and play with it some day when I retire. alas...

@robertleeluben 6 лет назад

One of many ways CBM found to shoot itself in the foot in the 80s.

@werre2 5 лет назад

"good box art coming here"

@semco72057 5 лет назад

One problem with the Plus 4 was that the OS was diifferent than the C-64 and I gave away the one I had and kept the C-64's and their system which I still have. I didn't invest all the money in games for the Plus 4 computer, but just gave it away letting the person I gave it to the weaknesses with the computer.

@rusrad74 6 лет назад

Still got mine, all still nicely boxed, plus the 10 games it came with on special offer in UK, Fire Ant, Icicle Works, Treasure island, Excorsist and a few I cant remember, but not the worst computer I owned lol :D

@larssg 8 лет назад

Sorry, but I can't help myself: If you change CR to DR on line 40 of the bouncing ball program, it should also move up and down.

@bierundkippen720 4 года назад

On C64 joystick in port 2 was standard.

@CaptainRufus 8 лет назад

They used to advertise this thing on US TV all the time. I wasn't sure if it was just a modified C64 as it was one of those order now type things and not actual Commodore advertising. Because by 86-87 Commodore didn't do much US advertising. I'm glad I didn't risk it.

@thegreathadoken6808 8 лет назад

My very first system. Jack Attack the first game I played, along with some text adventure with a boulder I couldn't get past and a couple of others I can't remember. Now you're speaking my language!

@thegreathadoken6808 8 лет назад

I remember arsing around with joysticks. Most of the time I just used the keyboard, as an 8 year old I had no concept of fixing any issue more complicated than "Press 'play' on tape".

@The_Wandering_Nerd 5 лет назад

Wow, it looks like Commodore wanted to ape the form factor of the ZX Spectrum, but they completely left out the things that made the ZX Spectrum so popular, like the low price and compatibility with a wide range of software.

@Turrican 7 лет назад

I loved my plussy. My first computer. Great basic. A few games could rival C64 titles. ANCO made the best games.

@werre2 5 лет назад

"sack of shite" sums it up pretty well.

@big-g1980 8 лет назад

I had the commodore 16 remember having saboteur for it and it looking like a totally different game when it was played on the+4

@MarkTheMorose 8 лет назад

I think it was; there was a 64k version if I'm not mistaken.

@smalon75 8 лет назад

The Plus/4 versions of Saboteur and Mercenary are considered better than the C64 one due to being slightly faster and having better colours. It's a shame they weren't shown in this video.

@colonel_fox 6 лет назад

my parents had plus/4, before switching to a windows 3.11

@dankcum 8 лет назад

nice gear! didn't even know this existed until your video!

@georgekaplan4696 5 лет назад

Don't forget the Commodore c116 rubber keyed baby 👌

@detectivesquirrel2621 4 года назад

Unfortunately Bob Holness was only the 2nd Bond. Yes it was on radio in South Africa. He was also NOT the saxophonist on Gerry Raffety's Baker Street although he was a session musician at the studio and did play on Baker Street but not for the recording.

@StRoRo 8 лет назад

I had a friend who had one of these. The only game we would play was a pirate game. It was damn hard.

@smalon75 8 лет назад

Treasure Island?

@StRoRo 8 лет назад

It probably was, multi screen maze type game where pirates would throw swords at you.

@smalon75 8 лет назад

That's the one.

@ernstarado7578 7 лет назад

First computer I ever had. Bought it on offer with a bundle of games for £79.99. Upgraded it with a floppy drive (1551 I think) that was bigger, heavier and more expensive than the computer itself! then I added a printer to take advantage of the word processor and spread sheet. It was basically a C16. Favourite games I remember playing on it were Winter Games and Mercenary. Mercenary was a first person wire frame puzzle game which was quite good.

@austenlowe4095 8 лет назад

Ahhh a trip to boots of all places to get a mastertronic title, those were the days!

@NathanaelDuke 6 лет назад

Anyone else have channels they subscribe to where they give the thumbs up before the video starts because you already know it’s going to be amazing? Nostalgia Nerd is that channel for me.

@outdooradventures8773 7 лет назад

The little screenshot pictures inside the case would be the reason i bought the game or not !!!

@channex8179 8 лет назад

The buzzy power supply is caused by a worn fuse which is the the little glass fuse on the front of the power brick behind the little twist out holder it oscillates when worn and causes small fluctuations in the transformer and hence the buzzing! replace that and it will go away!!

@jamesbennettmusic 8 лет назад

Wonder if the change in connectors to shielded sockets (as opposed to edge connectors) was due to pressure from the FCC for radio interference reasons? As if Commodore wanted to rush it out ASAP and didn't want the FCC to fail it.

@miked4377 5 лет назад

great video..was always interested in why commodore brought these to market ...love seeing obscure systems though..block busters would be fun with 2players!

@GregDaniel78 7 лет назад

Disappointed with the lack of a wobbly Bob digitised pic. I remember laughing all the breath out of my body at the C64 version.

@repairitdontreplaceit 6 лет назад

well done with that keyboard . my fist would have been through it within the first 60 seconds :)

@brostenen 7 лет назад

I have an idea, that the word "compact" is the key to understand why they used them small connectors. Remember that the 80's was a time were standard is non standardisation. People wanted it, yet the ceo's were all death to that word. And todays standard are just one of many non standard standards of that era.

@Rockythefishman 8 лет назад

Well done for typing that program on the keyboard. Looks like the machine needs a little TLC. I did own a C16 for a while so I know your pain with all the weird port. I will have a P please Bob :)

@EberKlaushartinger 5 лет назад

Even on the C64 Port2 was the most used Joystickport! And you don't need to turn it off, because it has a Reset-Button!

@stephenbruce8320 4 года назад

Its a cool looking unit. Better to put it in a display case and not use it that way there is always the possibility that if you ever turn it on it might still work. Actually I own 2 of them one I need to fix the other is fully functional. I never bother with those old Commodore PSU's. If you ever take yours apart take great care when handling the keyboard best to leave the ribbon connected if possible because they contacts do separate from the actual ribbon. I am not sure if you can get a new membrane or not because I never looked for one. I only picked them up to add to my collection and yea I played with both for a bit but they are best put in a case to be looked at then to play with. The chips in those puppies are fragile. A dead Plus 4 is still nice to look at but a dead Sinclair ZX81 still makes for a fine door stop but both look great in a display cabinet..

@arfanmedni7294 3 года назад

Is that your bedroom? What a mess!

@Mack-op1vw 8 лет назад

Cool very cool, always wondered about this machine, as for the keyboard the c64 had rubber key cups quite easy to clean if i remember correctly.

@synaesthesia2010 7 лет назад

what causes that occasional horizontal band going up the screen?

@brooknet 3 месяца назад

Frequency variations in the timing of the camera's electronic shutter, vs. the beam of the CRT. If sync-locked, both would start the frame at the same time - but due to the timing being slightly different, the frame start will shift and the camera will start a frame when the CRT's beam is some way down the screen and the previous frame's contents are fading. This causes a bright line. Any electronics boffins, please flame me. Thanks.

@JasperTedVidalTale 3 года назад

4:49 The Possible Reason Why Capcom's Rockman Was Name Changed Into Mega Man In Europe

@nicklebricks1049 7 лет назад

Cool vid, but there is a bug in that program you entered. C and R obviously are variable names for "Column" and "Row" to draw the zero at, with DC and DR being variable names for "Direction-in-Columns" and "Direction-in-Rows". If you change the line "LET R=R+CR" to "LET R=R+DR" then the ball will bounce in diagonal lines off the top and bottom as well as the sides, like the ball in pong does. (I think whoever wrote the pen and paper version you copied from made a slight error) ;)

@DannyRaw 6 лет назад

Yours is doing better than mine despite the keyboard issues. I've got 3 of these and 3 C16 and non do more than a black screen on power up.

@commodorehorizons 8 лет назад

Nice overview, Plus 4 keyboards and notoriously flaky :-) Little tip, if you open the plussy and look at the keyboard ribbon and clean the contacts and straighten the cable itself you might get a better connection and more responsive keyboard :-) Also the TED chip and CPU run very hot, so you may need to get heatsinks on those chips :-)

@noeuro 6 лет назад

You spelt yoghurt correctly, it was probably going on the American spelling which drops the h.

@mickles1975 8 лет назад

Monty! I played the crap out of Wanted: Monty Mole back in the day.

@CB3ROB-CyberBunker Год назад

it's probably the best designed 6502 based system commodore ever made. unlike the total mess the c64 is on the inside. it's got a very clean memory map, proper rs2332, (or at least an actual chip handling it ;) a built into rom monitor, and despite not having sprites the video chip is better in literally every aspect than any video chip they chunked out before. it's also a lot faster than a c64. the keyboard scanning also is a lot better like the c64's... no typing in 'TEST' with 10 fingers blind turning into TXEST' and things like that all the time like c64's do. :P 'muh it failed on the market'. well it sold over a million units. that's hardly 'failed'. even the diskdrive is faster :P see back in the day... we would not touch the c16 with a stick. but nowadays while porting your software to it (which is quite a straightforward affair for anything that doesn't use sprites. as it's basically 'any other commodore computer' but 'better' with less weird memory mapping stuff going on and stuff sitting in the way in the middle of ram etc ;) heck it's even got a huge chunk of zero page 'for use by application software'.

@CB3ROB-CyberBunker Год назад

the 'commodore 64 beat it in nearly every way' ? crappy bitbanging rs232 on a 6526 and running at half of it's speed is 'beating it' ?! :P LOL. also it's got like 120 colors. the c64 has 16 colors and those are all ugly :P no proper red. etc. it may not have been 'needed'... market share wise. but it's a good product nontheless. and at the end of the day it will simply run anything you ever coded for a pet vic or c64 anyway. with the exception of 'sprites'. after changing some addresses. so just always assemble everything for -all- the targets. and out of them usually the plus4 is the best computer to use them on. :P literally the one single thing it does not do better than a c64 is hardware sprites :P and you don't need those in let's say, communications software. :P

@CB3ROB-CyberBunker Год назад

they also take dc power. so they can be used in cars and airplanes. c64's, cannot. needing ac. now. noone would take the built in word processor serious as a 'business tool'. but taking the whole unit serious as some sort of terminal device you can insert your own roms into and then ship to your clients, definately is a 'business use' too. and many telcos shipped many of them to the deaf as 'typing telephone' kinda things. therefore i don't think one should view this product as 'in the same market as the c64'. i think most of those 1 million units actually were sold in larger batches to single, corporate, clients. not retail channels. see if you need something with a keyboard and display that runs your code and plugs into a modem at acceptable speeds. and your client in turn only has to turn it on, this is the thing to buy. :P and you can hire any programmers that have ever used a vic or pet or c64 to develop your firmware for you. as the kernal calls and tape/disk loader etc are all the same as on all the other ones. nmi is a bit different than on the c64. basic 3.5 'sys' code and stub is the same as basic 2. just at 1001 instead of at 0801 like with the 64. (but that has always differred from cbm system to cbm system anyway ;)

@CB3ROB-CyberBunker Год назад

if you're not gettinig it for 'games'. then this literally, is the one to get :P lol. even if it never was really popular. such things don't have to be.

@valley_robot 7 лет назад

Exorcist, treasure island, Zzap, and icicle works were bundled with the c16 , if I remember right, also punchy was a bundled game . Treasure island was the shit , fire ant was great, loved formula 1 and ace , great games, yeah all my other mates had spectrums but I had this shitty none supported machine and I loved it, I had a book with 30 games to type in and my sister bought me a box of c15 cassettes to save my programs , I loved it to bits, so glad my dad got it me for Christmas all those years ago, he got me a +4 the following year, by 1991 I had c64 , amiga followed.

@be236 4 года назад

Once you get into Plus/4's 3+1 integrated app using F1 SYS command, how do you gracefully exit, short of hitting reset/power button? Its user manual doesn't tell you about this... If so, seems an oversight to not have a quit/exit command?

@channex8179 8 лет назад

by the way when I say worn I simply mean the filament inside has stretched or separated from the opposite side of the connector causing a weak connection

@DAVIDGREGORYKERR 8 лет назад

The keyboard needs looking at which is why it might be acting up.

@oldhedders 8 лет назад

That built in software makes emacs look friendly.

@tubeincompetence 8 лет назад

Emacs is friendly but I prefer VIM myself. :-)

@oldhedders 8 лет назад

Emacs is many things. Powerful. Flexible. Efficient. But friendly it is not!

@tubeincompetence 8 лет назад

If you're an octupus, it's kind of friendly! ;)

@andygozzo72 7 лет назад

think you need to strip down and clean that keyboard 😉

@betamax80 8 лет назад

I once got a C64 mouse as part of a bundle a time ago - I think it was the 1351 - it worked with GEOS 2.0 - yes, on the C64, I think it was across 4 disks!

@SMlFFY85 6 лет назад

I remember trying to make the bouncing ball on the C64 as a child, I failed and never tried again. :(

@RobertLock1978 6 лет назад

Fingers Malone looked like it could be fun with a working 'stick :D

@vanessaosborne3175 3 года назад

I miss my c16plus 4

@JohnSmith-ii3cu Год назад

So Rockman is basically a blood diamond simulator?

@TheReimecker 3 года назад

Nice Video

@MarkTheMorose 8 лет назад

Kleptomania, anti, ventriloquist. Somebody had to. The reason the tapes loaded so quickly is that they were all 16k max games, written for the C16. Had they been 64k games, loading times would've been 4x longer.

@KillerBill1953 5 лет назад

The one thing the Amstrad Spectrums had in their favour (apart from a better keyboard) was keeping compatibility with the thousands of games already on the market. Okay, so they did emasculate the edge connector and change the joystick wiring. The main thing Commodore did wrong was releasing another 8 bit computer into an over-saturated market, which required everything to be bought anew, and no compatibility with thousands of C64 games already out there. To compound things, they also released the C16 which was not fully compatible with the bigger machine. I do wonder at the sanity of the person who okayed this project. It's not as if the business programs were any use compared to other 8 bit productivity software already available on other platforms.

@ArneChristianRosenfeldt 7 месяцев назад

PET and VIC and C64 mostly share BASIC and are otherwise incompatible. Atari did it better. Atari should have sat out the complaint from the FCC. Or like Commodore offered S-Video and compatible monitors ( and be compatible with the Apple2 external RF modulator). This would have made Atari as cheap. Then Atari just would have needed to answer the C64: 8 multicolor sprites. Sawtooth and triangle voices. More voices.

@roffpoff8221 7 лет назад

watching prices second hand C64, 300-400$ ish in my locale marked , I miss the ability to press play on tape, diskettes , etc

@neilross4448 7 лет назад

I love how you always manage to have a laugh during your videos, makes them more enjoyable. It's just a shame you've picked up a poorly Plus 4, there's some cracking games for that system. Still fire mines up regularly.

@chrishopkins209 5 лет назад

It was an attempt by Jack Tramiel to undercut the launch of the Timex Spectrum in the States. My first computer was a Plus 4 - a much underrated machine

@aphexteknol 8 лет назад

Finding a working +4/C16 is getting extremely difficult. The CPU and TED chips namely had a manufacturing flaw and finding replacements is difficult and very pricey when you do... Its a shame because the system is actually a fairly competent 8 bit platform for the most part but really a C64 does everything the TED series machines did and then some so it was a solution looking for a problem...

@NemanjaVuj 7 лет назад

At ca. 6:40 you say that it had "higher resolution" and "more colors" than C64... It did not. Highest resolution was 320x200 with color clash, text mode was 40x25, 16 on-screen colors, same as C64. As to the "121 colors" claim... it had 16 colors with 8 luminance levels, basically the same thing you get by adjusting your color nob on any TV. You couldn't freely choose colors from total "palette" like you could on Amiga or Atari ST (or on Amstrad CPC for that matter). You couldn't draw a screen with 15 shades of blue or anything like that...

@barryjmorse 7 лет назад

What is that PCB motherboard mat you have under the Plus 4?! Love it.

@GreyHulk2156 7 лет назад

www.amazon.co.uk/BBTradesales-Motherboard-Chopping-Board/dp/B00K7ZKH56/

@barryjmorse 7 лет назад

Well done that man! I was looking for anything related to ZX81 mainboard but having no luck. Thanks..

@idkzero 7 лет назад

just picked one up at the will. doesn't power on, I'll have to inspect further.

@dennisneo1608 7 лет назад

I had a Plus 4 back in the 80s, and loved it. It had built in Basic, unlike the C64. So you could create simple programs. Great memories of a better time.

@tremorist 7 лет назад

The C64 also has inbuilt basic. The different command sets make them incompatible.

@snowdog993 6 лет назад

Wrong on every level.

@drg5352 6 лет назад

All Commodore 8 bit computers had a form of Microsoft BASIC included on a ROM chip. In fact, the C64 came with a manual for programming it in BASIC (I still have both my copy and one belonging to my grandfather).

@DungeonTV100 Год назад

It was before the c64!

@rhodesy761uk 8 лет назад

i had one for about a week hated it back in the day got cpc 464 color instead

@sergeantcrow 7 лет назад

Damn... Wish I had kept my one...

@robotronix94 8 лет назад

Out of curiosity, is it possible to download a tape program burn it to CD the use a CD to tape player adapter? I have all the stuff to try it on my Ti994A but the effort involved..... (Literally everything is in storage, and some things are in different boxes lol)

@jasont9294 7 лет назад

What's your JVC monitor? Thanks.

@jamieh9351 6 лет назад

The Plus/4 was (another) marketing disaster by Commodore. On the games front, it was actually far more capable than anyone realised, even though it was hobbled by the TED chip. Take a look at this more recent release: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5T6zytJF6FU.html This is from a machine with no sprites and very limited sound. Just shows what can be done when someone cares enough to start pushing the hardware...

@jamieh9351 6 лет назад

Or this, from 2018: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-El_qHskaRfg.html

@primus711 6 лет назад

i was a c64 user but my main thing was drawing so in RUN mag i spent weeks typing in RUNpaint multiples times never worked and that was 16 colors only i kinda like the plus/4 better even though it has no sprites etc it has other advantages as in faster cpu and 128 colors(121) if i could of have tapped that in a paint program back then i would have like the plus/4 better than c64

@primus711 6 лет назад

so to remedy this lost time lol i got me a plus/4 and the new games look amazing tapping those colors with that highres