Comparing 3.0L Diesels to Find the Best 

Still like the V3 Duramax best for the highest torque.

Not sure about their actually being a 2019 Classic with ED. Never seen one anywhere including internet search and Ram’s build site doesn’t offer it. But Ram did pump out 2018s into December and you see them on dealer lots and priced well below other comparable new trucks

@@SnowbirdsRVTravelers What is a v3 duramax? Didn't know they have 3 liter diesels other than the 2020!

@@SnowbirdsRVTravelers The new Ecodiesel is gonna have more torque than the 3l dura.

@@SnowbirdsRVTravelers 2020 Ecodiesel will have 480 ft lbs at 1600 rpm, Duramax has 460 at 1500.

Who did that in these diesels?

Kelly Fontes the new Chevrolet Duramax has done just that!!! Must uncouple the trans to gain access. 😳

@@mrh3085 wow. thanks for that. I was considering that diesel in the AT4. No longer.. the service costs might not outweigh the gas savings. That would be something I do not have the time to do and would be a few thousand to get that work done.

Kelly Fontes it may be a bulletproof engine but we all know mechanical stuff is going to break eventually. Having to uncouple the trans to gain access to that belt makes me very nervous. But hey, if you trade trucks in every 50K miles it most likely won’t be an issue for you.

@@mrh3085 50k? Lol I have 120k on my 2005 Jaguar XJ8. Not to mention the others. I may be a micromanager but it works for me. Uncoupling that tranny is excessive.

Sounds great, the new ones have me suspicious as to what they will do to increase service frequency.

How are the running temps when towing?

Bill Malec stumped him

Had one. It gets hot! Have to watch it like a hawk. It pulls great but they didn't give it enough radiator.

Bill Malec ik that’s why he didn’t answer lol. Or else he has no idea how to even check the temps and has had his gauge cluster on the same screen since he bought it 🤣. Agreed too small of a radiator, trans cooler hasn’t been adequate for some people either. The thing is FCA doesn’t care, the ram is made to be a car. Granted that’s what the majority are used for, but hey I’m buying a Godamn truck and it better deal with being a truck. Did yours have the air bag suspension package?

Already in jeeps

sons of liberty yeah but jeeps aren’t for everyone

I would buy a Yukon XL with a diesel. But getting 12mpg with the gas version is absurd.

OHHHHHHH YEAHHHHH MAN !!

@@kellyfontes7757 it may be absurd but who buys a large SUV for millage?

I just bought a Chevy CCLB LTZ with the 3.0. Great powertrain. Smooth, monster torque, and surprisingly quiet.

The inline 6 engine is a marvel of engineering. Now that the car industry is over the compact packing fear era, they can finally utilize it again in trucks/suv's and sports cars alike! It's really hard to make a bad inline 6.

All 18 wheeler semis are inline 6s, name it Cat,Cummins,Detroit ect. Its about the time .

Own a second gen ram 2500 and you’ll know why😂😂

I'd imagine it's nice at first but hearing it all day every day it may get annoying to some.

Yes, I think sound is a plus. My friend bought a 7.3 back in the day just because it sounded cool.

@@josephlopez7593 Do you Roll Coal Bruh?

I love a noisy diesel.....

I had a 2016 Ram, Laramie 1500 Ecodiesel that I absolutely loved, even after Chrysler got caught with their hand in the emissions jar. They had to pay US owners to the tune of about $2,400 and the EPA made them detune them, which caused mine to lose 2-3 mpg. It went from 27-28 mpg hwy to 24-25 average. I could still get that kind of mileage cruising 75-80 on the hwy. The problem was the turbo started whistling during acceleration. I let it go for several months and it was slowly getting worse, ( I didn't know that it could have been just a gasket). I took it in to the dealership and they said, they couldn't even look at it for a couple of months, but told me if it was the turbo, I had to park it at the dealership so that warranty would cover it. I couldn't be without a truck for several months, so I ended up buying a used 2021 Chevy with the 3.0 Duramax they had on the lot. There are a few things that I don't like about the Chevy, but so far I am getting the kind of mileage that I used to get with the 1500 Ram Eco. I couldn't find any of the newer used Rams with the Ecodiesel on their lot, but I would think they would be similar in mileage and torque.

I think I have to agree with you friend

Gm makes girly looking trucks now, I used to be a gm fan not so much anymore.

@@rev.redhand6205 you sound like a female😂 we looking at specs here buddy. Not looks. GM is the tried and true of diesal

Well, hopefully they fixed the issue with the bearings and puking connecting rods, but we will see.

Thats a 3rd gen engine no?

That’s true!

Sure you can spend it all on gas

About 8-10 mpgs on the highway though so good luck paying that long term. Unless you have E85 available in your area

@@MitchJohnson0110 if you’re spending 70k on a truck you can afford gas.

@@Zach-td5mb well the 7.3 only comes in the 3/4 ton and the 3.0 only comes in 1/2 ton so which type of truck are we talking about

Tedinski b52, yeah me to. That’s why for the money if you want to stay stock I’d do a 94-97 7.3 Powerstroke and the 94-97 12v 5.9 Cummins. Or do a 90s F150 Cummins 4BT build, or a 90s F250/350 Fummins Build w 12v 5.9 Cummins.

They’re not that expensive and the GM costs the same as the 6.2 gas engine.

@@michaelbenoit248 If you want to see over priced, come to Australia. Silverado 2500 is available here for..............you might want to sit down......... $125,000 in USD. Our government considers it a LUXURY car so it gets a 33% extra tax.

@@Ozgrade3 HOLY FUCK! Question when can I import your 4-door Falcons?

They are definitely all OVERPRICED. I was so let down when they brought the ranger to the US and didn’t bring any of the things I liked about the European market version. No Manual Transmission, no diesel options, no wildtrax, and they redesigned parts the didn’t need to while not addressing the issues people cared about. And all the body rework just made it more expensive per copy. How the messed up such a winning combo I’ll never know.

plus a chain needing replace become loud, a belt about to brake did make any signal before snapping.

You shouldn’t have expected a naturally aspirated engine to do well at altitude. The EcoBoost V-6’s do markedly better than the 5.0. But still, I’ll take the diesel ...

You could always do a few things to the 5.0 to increase the power a little. Those engines are great at that. Or just throw a small turbo with low boost. That will significantly help!

@Curtis Fleabag The Lion engine family was developed and manufactured at Ford's Dagenham Diesel Centre for use in PSA Peugeot Citroën vehicles (as DT17 as part of joint venture begun in 1999), Jaguar Cars (as the AJD-V6), and Land Rover vehicles. The engines share the same bore/stroke ratio, with the V6 displacing 2.7 L (2,720 cc) and the V8 displacing 3.6 L (3,630 cc). The V6 was launched in 2004 and as of 2011 also serves in Ford Australia's Territory SUV; the V8 in 2006. The V6 engine meets the Euro IV emissions standards. A 3.0 L (2,993 cc) was added in 2009 and is based on the 2.7 L (2,720 cc).

In 2003, Penske Corporation purchased a 51% stake in VM Motori; in 2007, Penske bought the remaining 49% from DaimlerChrysler and subsequently sold 50% of it to General Motors. On 11 February 2011, Fiat Powertrain Technologies and Penske Corporation had reached an agreement under which Fiat Powertrain would purchase Penske Corporation's fifty-percent stake in VM Motori Fiat Group acquired the remaining 50% stake of VM Motori owned by General Motors, on 28 October 2013

You're a FIAT guy.

@@kenoday7562 You are a loner because no one loves you.

@@kenoday7562 you're a pathetic spectacle

@Ron Johnson Since RAM is a wholly owned subsidiery of Fiat ...

@Ron Johnson You just made my point with your Sharp analogy.

I have 110 thousand no problem with mine. Hope your wrong. Lol

It's simply the luck of the draw,it happens with every engine gas or diesel.

@@Fab-ec8os I hope you make out okay on it too. I was interested in one until I saw ecodiesels fail on 4 different occasions due to rod bearing failures. I knew the people owned the trucks and every one of them bought the trucks new and every one of them went through their dealers for all maintenance. Two of those people always had fuel filters changed early, always bought good quality fuel, always had the engine oil changed early, never beat on the truck or tuned them, etc. The others were people I knew from neighboring towns and were in the same ATV club.

@@karlschauff7989 Thanks. Yeah I heard about the bearing problem. Which is a stupid thing that should of been fixed. Taking the lawsuit money and getting Mopar warrant just in case and a good way to sell when I want the newer version of the ecodiesel. Well maybe. Haha

@D Trip www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/ram-1500-diesel-mechanical/8564-eco-diesel-engine-failures.html

its coming...throttle body..

I know someone with an EcoDiesel... 3000 miles out of warranty they were looking for a frayed wire and it cost him the better part of $5,000.

Not saying that they aren't good... Just saying my only opinion I have of them todate.

Really? I've heard terrible things about it like they blow up and other stuff like def problems and injectors going out. I have a tuned 2016 Colorado with the 2.8 duramax inline 4 and its amazing. If the Ram diesel was made by Cummins instead of FIAT it would be the #1 seller

@@mitchellsmith6071 News flash! All engines will eventually have their problems.

We aren’t in 97 anymore.

Also, inline 6 cylinder engines are inherently very well balanced. That's one of the main reasons why BMW's 3.0L inline 6 has remained on the Ward's Best 10 engine list for decades.

Be Wary of any Chevy! The Aluminum block is Crap. Only the steel will last.

@@johnlavezzorio8011 BMW has doing aluminum block diesels for a decade, I haven't heard of any block issues, just be sure to use right coolant + distilled water!!! The Aluminum is just there to hold the steel sleeves anyways.

@@johnlavezzorio8011 The GM LS engines are excellent. It is the best most versatile out there.

@@johnlavezzorio8011 That's the same nonsense that was said about the heads on the 6.6 duramax before it's introduction in 2001. The aluminum holds up just fine.

Whic do you prefer?

That’s why I’m not buying Dodge does eco-diesel’s are not good motors

Went with the Touareg instead of a truck, since the work is pulling the various trailers I own anyway. Lower initial cost (used), higher MPG, and a classier personal vehicle when the work is done. Liking that so far.

Christian Schiffler exactly what I said previously, 175hp 7.3 pulled my four door one ton with 8ft box just fine. Pull the mustang to the track with the slide in camper in the back. Never had a line behind me, always maintained 60mph (because that's as fast as I drove while towing) in the summer, I'm held up by motor homes, not my lack of hp.

I have a 2017 Ram ecodiesel. What did you do to increase the hp? A tuner? If so, what is the make and model number of one?

@@kennyh3443 complete delete, exhaust work and a dyno tune. It wasn't cheap but worth the money. Was done 30k ago and no issues averaging 21 mpg.

3.42 is chevys towing gear ratio. One thing to keep in mind is the GM had the 10spd which is extremely good for acceleration and fuel economy. Going to a 3.91 from a 3.42 is not going to increase your towing capacity by 50%. That's outrageous.

John Yim I have a Ford F150 Ecoboost. You wouldn't be disappointed. Most powerful gas engine in a half ton.

This is the one I want great choice… I wonder what did make you get 2? I guess you did a lot of research, if there’s anything you’d like to share I’d appreciate it. How did it go in a year?

No folk lore here! I have all the paperwork from 15 visits to the dealership for proof! At 25k miles all 6 injectors had to be replaced on my ecodiesel! I also have the paperwork for the lemon law buyback agreement from FCA!

That would be the duramax ain't it?

Isuzu isn't in America anymore dumbass

When I talked to the main engineer at Ford she said the engine for the F-150 was a clean sheet design. But I think you're right that they had an engine to work from.

chains wear out too

@@derrickodyes1934 I disagree, chains do wear off - but it will take 500k miles for chains to show "signs" and WILL NOT cease the engine. A belt will NEED to be replaced at 100k or the engine will cease.

it's just the efficiency in packaging why i think 🤔 they went with belt plus some of the competitors use a rear timing chain set to get the packaging right.. while other use rear chain and belt.. so if that's the case then i would rather just go with the Front timing Belt and be done with it..

It's OK, Chevy drives the oil pump with a belt. LoL

Joe Brown I would rather do 1 timing chain removal at 400-500k than 5 timing belt / water pump services lol they are not cheap.

Didn’t you? I am going to buy one soon.

You should have gotten a Laramie at that price. Look for 13k off sticker on cars.com

What engine/year? I have the 2.8 vm motouri, then there was the Mercedes engine for 07-08, I'm not sure I know much about the v6 vm motouri

I have second gen 3.0 diesel as well in the ram truck and love it!

Although they are both 3.0L, they are not the same. The 3.0 in the New Jeeps is an ALTERRED version of the 3.0 in Ram Pick-ups.

Yeah I figured that out when I was doing research BEFORE I bought a ecodiesel.

jeeps weigh nothing,,that,,, is why its reliable..

The problem is that most of these engines aren't really first year products, they're off-the-shelf engines and are only being sold now that manufacturer's have CAFE to comply with. That V2 VM Ecodiesel was around for many years before it was used in Jeeps and Rams, and reliability has never been great. Even many of bigger HD diesel that have been on the market for years aren't all that reliable, and that's mainly because of emissions. They all have problems.

Well said. I had a 2015 ecodiesel, I waited until the second year of production to pull the trigger hoping the bugs were worked out, and I ended up selling the truck because of the emission crap! I’m a first responder so I’ll admit I would jump in the truck and hit the road immediately, so I guess gas engines are the answer for me

Jordon the 3.0 GM and 2020 Ram Ecodiesel have new emissions systems that are far better than that first generation emissions junk (all Mfgrs) that was not fully tested due to being forced & rushed to market by an overzealous gov EPA. More good news The 2014 through 2018 Ecodiesel emissions can now be easily & cost effectively remedied through a GDE (Green Diesel Engineering) off road tune. It turns off the destructive & pointless EGR and has a far better & less problematic regen strategy. Last if & when the again forced & rushed to market by EPA EGR cooler starts leaking post warranty the tune plus a more cost effect & permanent EGR delete kit fixes it. (Penny of prevention or dollar of cure) Plus makes a more reliable more powerful & more fuel efficient truck. 580,000 miles on my commercially used 2014 Ecodiesel tuned since 30k. On another note. People get behind their favorite engine and try to say it’s the best choice and all others are junk. Best choice depends mostly on use. I love the choice of the 3 great engines. Ram sees Hemi should be best & bread n butter choice for 70 percent of 1/2 ton buyers who prioritize speed power sound. Pentastar for another 20 percent who more use it like a car to carry family, haul, and prioritize commute economy. Ecodiesel for the last 5 to 10 percent for those who regularly tow 1/2 appropriate loads and or put on big miles and really value that 30 mpg.

You never work out issues with CRDJ crap.

Are you trying to piss off that poor Swedish girl, Greta Thunberg? If the eco-terrorists get their way, we'll all be driving electric PsOC.

The oil pump belt is an easy fix, unless you don't know how to use a wrench

The 3.0 is a totally new Duramax. No parts where used from any of the other Duramax engines designs. Going to see how this baby holds up to life in the USA. 850+ MILES on a tank full. Bye bye gas stations and EVs.

Meh. Drive it until warranty expires. Then delete emission and or trade it in for a new one.

Awesome to hear - congrats!

2022 GMC Denali 3.0 truck best 30 mile a gallon interstates diesel Best

Those old 7.3 are getting hard to find and more expensive every day.

My next Ram will be the #3 version. The Italian Company, Motori, is doing a great job!

Did you have the recall done? And are you still as happy with it if you did?

Troy Gier same here, towing #4500 trailer over the Rockies was still able the get 15.1 mpg

Problem is you have to pull transmission to get at it.

@@sokodad yup, and that is lots of work.

150k miles for timing belt for ford. That's a lot longer then 5 years

150k could easily be put on a vehicle in a short amount of time,people do it

Dan Smith I do 150,000 in around 51 months! I’ve got a 2019 f250 diesel with darn near 30k on it and I’ll have it a full year on Sept 29th lol But is still pick the Ford because that belt is super easy to change. And it’s only like $225.

I put 250k on my hemi v8 in 2 years all hwy drive no problem to engine, 4x4 failure at 230k replace axel , only maintenance I done on truck was oil, breaks, tires . Nothing else this was 2015 ram , I owne 2010 ram 3.6l drove 389k no mechanical problem I traded the truck in for the 2015 , 2006 Ford f150 I put 450k on it no, transmission failure I guess I was lucky enough

As I recall it only affected a couple percent of vehicles and no one I know has had any issues.

4WD Magazine I would like to know if ram is responsible enough to address all the issues when redesigning an Engine. It would cost nothing to add a keyway to the exhaust cam of a new design.