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i believe AMD is slowin down the 5000 series is the reason the 3700x beat the 5700xin one benchmark marketing want you to buy the new CPU's 7000 series . messing with CPU's thru the GPU drivers ?
Great comparison video, lots of useful information. I personally opted for a 5700X just a few weeks ago even though Zen 4 is incoming. The 5700X is a far more affordable 8-core chip on a far more affordable platform, it's very efficient, low temperatures and the single-CCX Zen 3 architecture is excellent for gaming. It delivers a lot of performance without any of the thermal or power consumption drawbacks.
As of Dec 2023, the 5700x is near half the price of the 7700x and swings pretty hard performance wise while being more energy efficient and having cheap AM4 components. It's still a great buy moving in 2024.
yea and if you need that extra juice that a 7700x could provide... you can allways aim for an R9 5900x AM4 remains a great platform, and a no brainer upgrade path for everybody owning even a 2017 first gen Ryzen with a mid range b350 mobo (which is my case in particular)
Meanwhile you could get a used Asus X570 Gaming Board with an Ryzen 7 5800x3d for 350$ or less, making AMD 7-Series and Intel's 13-14000 Lineup obsolete... For clarification, the Ryzen 7 5800x3d IS Supported on AM4, at it's best on X470/B450/X570/B550 ; Performs on par with a Intel Core i9-13900k or Ryzen 9 7950x and has no real reason to be upgraded, maybe ever, when playing in resolutions 1440p and up, because then the CPU usage is more than halfed and only the Performance counts.
Thanks for this great comparison! Been using a 1800x for like 5 years now and just ordered an AM5 platform with a 7700x and ddr5 ram. So excited to feel the difference!
Yes please reply, how is the upgrade going! I'm still riding out my stock 1700 bought in 1700, Slow mismatched ram, and now dry thermal paste with stock cooler is definitely a struggle. So close now to buying the next gen x3d gaming part! Just a few more months!
@@lostwarhead The gap should be huge upgrade. My 3700X is bottlenecking my 7900 XTX, only upgrade is 5800X3D but thats a dead platform so i will be getting a 7800X3D in 2 months on AM5 platform for future proofing. My 2nd gaming PC was using i5 4690K at 4.5 ghz was bottlenecking my AMD Fury X (80%-90% GPU usage) in helldivers 2 at 40-55 fps with FSR turned on to performance setting with all other graphics settings set to mix of medium and low. Then I upgrade the i5 4690K to Ryzen 5800X3D and FPS shot up to 80 FPS on same settings. Rea
I'm upgrading my 2700x to a 5700x. I was considering a 5850x3d, but for 1440p gaming I couldn't justify the 170 euro mark up. It stays cooler as well, so I can spin my fans a little slower and keep the pc a little quieter.
The 3700x is GOAT status. It was an incredibly good CPU on all fronts - exceptionally balanced and efficient and competitive from generational-launch. I would narrow down the best AM4 CPUs down to the R5 1600, the R7 3700x, and the R9 5900x, all of them in their respective contexts ... and I think that the 3700x is the absolute best if pushed to choose. It works on all AMD motherboards just fine and it came with a stock cooler that allowed full performance, it is sufficiently powerful to handle any task well enough for most people (from gaming/streaming to video editing to coding/compilation), it was very price competitive in gaming and productivity at launch (matching the 9900k in the latter and only slightly behind in the former) ... it was the perfect mid-platform upgrade for the average b350/R5 1600 user, and it sipped power. The true Jack of all Trades. I currently have a 5900x, and have used/owned a 1600x, 2600, 2700x, 3100, 3700x, 3900x, 5900x. I still have the 3100 (NAS on x370) and 3700x (HTPC on a320) and 5900x (main PC on b550).
Moved from a 3700X to a 5900X, which I run in 65W (88 PPT) ECO -mode. Retain all of the single core perf of normal mode and still beat 3700X in MT by 30% at same power.
@@saricubra2867 lol, since I literally mentioned the 9900k then no, that's obviously false. The 9900k was like 60% higher priced and only 5% faster in average. So no, the 9900k cannot be GOAT in comparison.
Watch PCWorld's breakdown of power usage for the 7950X and the usage of ECO modes. The 7700X is going to be FAR and AWAY the better CPU because of how much more work it gets done in a specific amount of time. Time is money. At least with PCWorld's evaluation of the 7950X they showed that the 7950X in a 65W ECO mode beats the 5950X in SCORE, which is pretty amazing. They show you the scores and the power consumption and frankly the 7950X lays waste to everything.
@@johndoh5182 yeah that was a really interesting video and shows a lot of promise for mobile Zen4. I've not been running my 5900x in ECO mode but I'm starting to think it's worth trying for my use cases.
This is an incredible video!! Thanks for the detail & effort into making these differences clear and concise; yeah you should have done that 4K comparison 😜
The big take, most people are gaming with RTX3060/RX 6650XT or lower GPUs. CPU becomes much less a factor in the majority of games where normal range GPUs are used. A 2018 2700X is still getting 99% utilization out of that level GPU and almost the same FPS. Good work :o)
If performance is so paramount and the time you saved can gain you more money, go for the 7700. Otherwise I think the 5700 is too enough for both gaming and working, at least for the next 4 years
@@sparkythewildcat97 Yeah I was evaluating the 7900X and it seems to be a great balance between power consumption and amount of work performed. Then add in AMD is including ECO modes for Zen 4 and frankly I find Zen 4 to be VERY impressive. Now we just need GPUs that are 100% faster so that 4K gaming using RT is doable at high fps.
@dreminh why do u need more than 3600? u some kind of programmer using any of programs that need multicore or u just gaming on pc? or doing anything else?
I was actually surprised at how much better the 3700x is than the 2700x. I think you are right the sweat spot is the 5700x with the potential to go to a 5950x if prices drop even more on special sales and discounts. I think we are in for similar performance on the Intel side of things as well. Great job Jerod as you went all out to give people a larger prospective to make the case for or against upgrading to the new platform. This type of reviewing to that level from oldest to newest is rarely done. Keep up the outstanding coverage as it is extremely helpful, especially in this economic climate.
I sold my 3700x for $160 and the plan was to buy a 5600 non x for $163. Even the vanilla 5600 runs circles around the 3700x for gaming use. I was fine with a straight across trade for a 5600 which almost happened until a $180 5800x popped up close by. 5600 was sent back unopened. Anything 5600 or better is a worthy upgrade to the 3700x unless you take advantage of the little bit better multicore performance.
@@ThePipojp For gaming with a good gpu and targeting higher fps above 120 the 5000 series is a good deal faster than 3000. All nine of my PCs are 5000 series after selling off all my 2000/3000 series. Upgrade costs were very little as I found still cheaper then now prices and sold my old for fair prices. For most gamers that aren’t focused on 60fps gaming 5000 series is a dirt cheap upgrade like what I wrote 11 months ago. $20 more to go from 3700x to 5800x.
Thank you for this! I'm considering an upgrade, and it's great to see benchmarks to help make my decision. It looks like the cache doubling is a major factor in the doubling of speed between the 2700x and 7700x in some cases. I'm likely going to wait until the 3D cache 7000 series is released (and the pricing of DDR5 and AM5 motherboards have dropped!) before I make a purchase. Look forward to another vid w/ the 7700x 3D cache when it's available.
@@kinaceman That was my plan, I had a 3600x and recently upgraded to the 5700x because it was under $200 and power efficient for a 8 core chip. It will hold me over until AM5 matures more and gets cheaper
3700X user here contemplating on the 7700X and this is exactly what I needed. Thank you! Now all I need is a 3700X vs 13700K video and I'll be all set to determine if I will upgrade or not 😅
I have 3700X and considering in-place upgrade to 5900X or even 5950X. I have a great MB and fast low-timing memory, upgrading only a CPU is a nice idea especially as prices for 5000 series are lower now.
I'm in the same boat, but since I don't really push my computer at all....I think 3700x is still in a really nice spot. Was looking at the 5800x3d, but I probably wouldn't see much benefit day-to-day.
Biggest upgrade was going from my 2700x to 5800x. Kept getting WHEA errors so I RMAed and asked AMD to send me a 5800x3d instead. They agreed and i couldn't be happier. Beast of a CPU.
Great video. I was thinking of upgrading my CPU to the 7700x ( I currently have the 3700x ) but honestly after this video I think I'll stick with my 3700x for a lot longer now.
Thank you for including office and light windows task performance. I appreciate a snappy windows experience and fast loading of programs. I hope you'll have these same benchmarks in a 7900x and 7950x review.
@@JarrodsTech Thank you! I look forward to seeing how it performs as a "light work load (lots of browser tabs, some photoshop, office, etc.) / gaming" CPU, and if I can run it comfortably on an air cooler... I have a Noctua NH-D15s.
I love the 2 latest videos showing the diff of all the generations at 1440p/4k, your the only youtuber so far that has done this with the new cpus. I just wish you had included the 5800x3D since its basically a 5700x aswell. Id like to see how it stacks up against it at the 1440p/4k resolutions.
You should run a test comparing performance at similar power limits (65W/105W/etc...). Supposedly, the new 7000 series CPUs can get within 10-20% of their full-bore maximum TDP performance results on less than half the power draw, but the stock boosting behavior causes it to be overlooked.
@@JarrodsTech you did get plenty of good test data. I just hope to see those test results from more than one source (pcworld I think?) in the coming weeks on it's performance in lower power limits, especially with SFF builds with low profile coolers being as popular as they are now, and anyone looking to upgrade or build SFF would want to know if the 7000 series would be a reasonable purchase.
This won't probably have an impact on gaming since both 12th gen and R7000 run between 50-70W while gaming. (excluding SKUs like the 12900KS which is just dumb)
Exactly what I needed. I have a 2700X and am itching to upgrade when the next X3D comes out. Crazy to see the differences in the games. I think one of the things people leave out when they say "Just buy an 5800X3D" is that you don't get PCIE 5 SSD support. I have a X470 motherboard so any harddrive upgrade I do can only go so far. I'd really like to go for the new high speed SSDs next upgrade.
You have to spend over $230 American to get a AM5 motherboard with PCIE5 support. All the lower end boards have just PCIE4 and are over $100 while a AM4 B550/X570 can be had for 100 or less with a PCIE4 slot. I have a B550 with a PCIE4 2 TB so I'm definitely not upgrading this generation. I have a 3700x so I don't know if I want to keep it and wait or upgrade to 5700x/5900x. Was going to go 5800x3d but the price is still above 300 so I might just wait until new games come out next year when AMD might release a 7XXX3D chip and prices come down more. Because of the lack of PCIE5 on anything less than 200 for a board I'm not going to upgrade to AM5 for a while especially because PCIE 4 drives are still new and as fast as you can get without paying the price of a system for a single drive.
@@rallyscoot That is my plan! The 7800x3d looks great but its still $450 since it released recently. I will wait a year for that price to go down before upgrading to AM5
Great video! It would be even more interesting if you included the FX-8350 and the 1800X as well, but I know you gotta set the limit somewhere or else the video would be an hour long lol
Mine 5700x hitting 4250 hz all core in cinebench 23 after pbo2 tuning. And it's running lower then 50 degrees in my system. Very good CPU. Didn't have money for 5800x or 58003d, but still very satisfied with perfomance. Good comparison video!
The performance of the Ryzen 7000 CPUs is impressive but people have to keep in mind that it's not as simple as upgrading your CPU. Not only is the 7700x $399, but you'll also have to buy a brand new motherboard which are also really expensive and you'll need to get DDR5 ram. I definitely think as of right now AM4 is more valuable when it comes to price/performance ratio.
Yes, but for people like me, who are building a new system from scratch for music production and gaming, the 7700x hits a sweet spot. There's no reason for me to build with previous-gen components, since the overall price difference with my budget ends up being marginal (a few hundred bucks), because I have no baggage of older components. Also, if you're just gaming, there's no reason to upgrade. Music production is very CPU and RAM intensive tho, so for me the CPU is more important...
I always look for a good balance between performance and efficiency (power consumption). I honestly don't like the new architecture's power consumption and the amount of heat it runs at. So I'll stick with my 5600x for a few more generations
im not telling you that you need to upgrade but it’s actually very power efficient. amd just has stock settings at very high power. as a 7700x owner, i watched a 10 minute video to use pbo tuning achieved 1-4% worse performance in synthetics at 85 watts, 65, and that’s compared to the stock 135 watts and 95c temps. (multicore cinnebench)
My 5700x in r23 got 15644 points on the multi core test and 1594 points in single core. I have a -30 pbo and 200 mhz positive offset for the max boost clock. Power draw was about 130 watts in multicore and 40 in singlecore, max temps were 78°C with a Cr-2000GT. All core average frequency was 4650 mhz! I have it paired with a Rx6700 sapphire and it works great!
I was really considering upgrading from my 3700X to a 7000 series, the cpu's themselves arent 'too' expensive, but god damb the mobo prices are crazy. For a motherboard that has a single pci-e 5 x16 slot and everything else being pci-e 4 your still looking in excess of 550 euro. Thats premium motherboard pricing for feature parity with what should be a mid range board (having features cut back for cost savings). For a board that doesnt cut features back its 650+ which is crazy, maybe pricing is better for the US but its not good in the EU. Couple that with the increased power draw, so bigger psu requirement and the increase in ddr5 price (its still very notable increase over ddr4). And I just couldnt justify it. Waiting to see what intel release, then it will either be a 5950 drop in replacement or jumping ship to intel 13th gen. Although as a principle developer i can technically afford the AMD system, AMD has priced themselves out of justifying the build.
Went from a FX-8350 > 2700X > 5800X (super happy specially that i paid $180) Also on Strix 1080 Ti , 32GB of 3200mhz , and NVME drive This PC can handle anything I've thrown at it , I use it 80% for gaming, 20% Everyday normal use. Sure could I drop $3K on a newer AM5 setup with the latest CPU/GPU but that's not a good value for performance currently compared to my system. In 1.5-2.5 years time as the prices drop and equalize , this move to AM5 will be a better value for performance.
Great roundup! I also want to thank you for not making funny faces/placing your face in the video thumbnails. It gives your videos a grade of professionalism that the other reviewers dont have. Keep up the good work! Subscribed.
I feel better about my 5700x purchase. It was under $200 and a simple bios update on my existing B550 board. I play at 1440p with a 3080 so its well balanced and can give me some time to wait for AM5 to mature a bit and come down in prices. I will wait to upgrade when I see how the AM5 3Dvcache cpus perform
Have watched a few videos on this kind of comparison, for the best value I can get(for my use) is the Ryzen 7 5700X or 5700G with graphics unless you want THE best performance, excessive heat generated and also thanks to the power bill.
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 You know POWER is getting very expensive and excessive usage of power is bad for global warming. I personally don't need top performance hence my comment.
Please make a vid about 5800x3D vs 7900X vs 7950X in gaming. Many things I got from your last 2 reviews, but one that stands up.... it shows that AMD said goodbye to AM4 with High Honors delivering amazing CPUs and taking the most out of that platform with the 5800X3D and the 5950X.
The funniest thing to me is that neither intel nor amd acknowledged the 5800x3d in their reports about their new cpus. The 5800x3d seems to be thorn in both their sides
Love that you have Warhammer 3 in there, but the real question here is TURN TIMES. Immortal empires has so many factions, I take a break between turns with my 2700x. Would be great to know if a CPU upgrade could fix it.
The 7700x performance jump is crazy, but the price is way too much for what Ryzen was known lately. I just got 5700x coming from a 3600, unleashed most of it's power and it boost up to 4.85ghz in games/single core applications, while keeping 4.55ghz all core boost. I hit 15k+ score in Cinebench, never hit past 75c and all of this for a 153$ upgrade.
I upgraded from an R9 3900X to an R7 5800X3D over Black Friday/Cyber Monday for $300. I wasn't expecting such a huge difference. Boy, was I surprised. The CPU does run a bit warm, but I have a Corsair H150i Elite RGB 360mm AIO cooler. Never gets above 75 - 79C under load while gaming with an ambient room temperature of 18C/65F. It runs all of my games perfectly paired with a Sapphire Radeon RX7900XT at 1440p. FS2020, Hogwarts Legacy and Cyberpunk 2077 all look great and run at 100+ FPS. I haven't been this happy with a build since I had an i7 4790K paired with a GTX 980 back in the day.
Just wanted to thank you for this. I can only imagine how time consuming these tests must be. Happy 5700X owner here, I think it's a fantastic CPU for the price.
I started from an i7 3470 with a 1060 6GB and recently upgrade this year to 5700x with a 4070 super and DAMN! what a leap of performance and I started playing VR and this AM4 CPU still fights on at a good value.
Perfect! Now can you compare this with Intel's line-up? Also a quick recap, charts, graphics, for those who aren't necessarily interested in 20 minutes of intense in-depth analysis please! I just need to decide what CPU fits my needs vs budget best.
i'm also planning to get 7700x. Upgrading from first gen ryzen 1700. There's no point on getting 5 series as i wanted a new platform AM5 for future proofing.
@@warking4257 will do! Saw some videos come out on undervolting and changing the temp limits while keeping the same performance out the box. Will 100% be doing this as well.
@@tsuyax6054 Am5 is not really future proofing.. AM6 will. Also the first gen AM5 boards would not have a long live. Because Zen5 platform would be different, new designed from the ground up.. If you want some future proofing then better wait on Zen 5 or Zen 5 3D... Zen 4 is still based on the Zen 2 and 3 architecture. Dont forget Zen 5 board will getting more pci-e 5.0 expension.. Also more 5.0 ssd sockets.. USB 4.0.. all as main platform.
This is exactly what I was looking for as I'm using a 2700x, thank you! Would you say DDR5 is significant enough a difference to be considered on its own merit for an upgrade?
Wait till you can get at least a 5800x cheaper and just drop it in your current AM4 , depending on your mobo you could run 4000Mhz RAM but test show the 3600Mhz on the 5000 series CPUs is the best, as getting past that speed doesn't really make a difference.
I am not sure about the other CPUs but the 5700X would easily run on 4.7ghz just by turning on PBO, adjusting the max boost and setting the curve optimizer, leading to a CR21 score of 16k, so the gap is not as wide as the graph suggest.
When we are talking about gaming and you have a AM4 platform, I'd say the 5600 is the smartest buy... even the 5800X3D is better value if you want to go all out. I myself traded in my 3700X to a 5700X for 120€ because I want to stretch my current platform as long as possible... and I'm glad I did. New platform upgrade would've cost me 1465€ atm.
It is interesting to see the different comparisons using different programs. I've been trying to decide how to upgrade my current Q9400 which is overclocked to 3.8GHz. It still runs pretty well but it's just 4 cores/4 threads. Just using geekbench- a single core of the 2700x is only twice as fast as my Q9400, that's the improvement made in roughly 12 years time. Then in less than 3 years going from 2700x to 7700x single core performance has gone up almost that same percentage. AMD discovered a secret somewhere.
😏👍 cool, i have a few Core2Quads n boards in storage, if ur looking to upgrade the 5700X is decent, just pu an matx board and a couple cheap ram sticks, on intel side the i5's 6/12 are pretty decent, 11 12 or gen 13
My most recent cpu upgrade was a 5800X3D and for my gaming ….. and looking at getting into basic video editing …… it’s all I need 💪👍🥰🤩 in my SFF pc. The new Ryzen 7000 series thou, imo, is the new budget Threadripper cpu for those getting into professional/ creator workloads on a budget 💪😇
I have both the Ryzen 7 2700x and 7700x and can share with you that the 2700x is still a very capable CPU paired with 32GB of RAM and a good video card such as the GTX 1080TI. The 7700x is not a huge noticeable upgrade if you're not going to play the latest games on ultra settings or huge amounts of editing.
Thanks for this test! It solidifies my decision to stay on AM4. I've upgraded recently from R5 5600 to R7 5700x and could not be happier with it. It was way more cost effective now than going for a 5800x3D! Your 5700x here is suspiciously slower than mine. I get mostly around 15.5K or more on Cinebench R23 and when pushed it never goes lower than 4.6ghz all cores. It often goes to 4.7ghz. But I do use CO to undervolt. Combined with a good air cooler (Peerless Assasin), good temps and performance as a result.
I have a Ryzen 2700X in a mini-ITX build I did in January 2020. Last March (2022), upgraded the GPU from a 5600XT to a 6700XT. I am noticing some 1440p stuttering in 1440p and thinking of an upgrade to either the 5700X or the 5600X3D.
I'd love to see a partial load power draw comparison. The big news is 95C and massive watts but how bad is it when gaming or workstationing? If the new gen is only chomping power when max cores max load but the same everywhere else on the load range then that's a huge win. One of the reasons I got AMD vs Intel was the perf per watt and low heat dissipation. I've done spaceheater PCs before and not interested in going back.
Considering DDR4 uses a one size fits all approach with XMP I think these tests would have been more accurate with the memory kit tuned to the 2700\3700\5700 as we all know Zen 1 - 3 benefits hugely from properly optimised memory timings.
Well... it appears keeping my 3700X is my best option then. I suppose investing in the RX 6800XT and populating all ram slots was the best bang for buck upgrade for my rig. I'm good with it. Still less (since i bought used parts) costly than updating to AM5 platform plus new GPU to see any appreciable gains in fps.
Very good video, I watched the old version of this video and I was planning to upgrade from Rxyen 7 3700x to 5700x, but thanks to that video saved the money and Upgrade from RX5500xt 4gb to the RX6600xt. I will wait until Ryzen 5800x get a price riduce to upgrade. I thanks from the Dominican Republic.
Just like the 3000 and 5000 series was a big improvement in power usage and heat on AM4 , I think the same will happen with AM5 and therefor I'll wait until at least 8000 or 9000 series before switching from my 5950X
Maybe, or maybe to keep up with Intel they keep running at higher power. I guess to be fair if this is important to you you can just power limit them yourself
It seems like Intel going all in with high clocks and power consumption messed up amd plans and they had to do the same, which is not too appealing if you want to have a silent PC. Would love to see the cinebench numbers of 7700x with eco mode to see how much efficiency was gained this generation
Thanks for the comparison vid! I went from a 2700X to a 5700X in an upgrade earlier this year. I think that was the right investment for the next couple of years. I don't play competitive games where I'd ever need 120fps+ and I'm generally looking to get high visual fidelity in the latest games at 1440p or above, so I don't think the CPU is where I'll be limited. My other upgrade, going from an RTX 2070 to an RTX3070 may or may not have been the right move with the new GPUs around the corner - seems like they may be a bigger bump.
I did the same upgrade myself. In a year or two when AM5 gear and DDR5 memory starts showing up on Black Friday and Prime Day sales cheap I'll consider it.
I enjoy your comparison videos Jarrod. They are informative, thanks. I'm still running the 3700x in two of my systems despite the recent price drop of the 5950x to $399. While the upgrade is tempting, I'm not at all sure I'll see any performance gains in the software development / machine learning work I do. The CPU load on my system is generally quite low. It's the GPU that is performing most of the AI work. The other factor is I don't want to have to get new software licenses. Dropping in a new CPU will deactivate Adobe Suite, MS Office Suite, Windows, etc etc.
I'm using a 2600 and will get a 5600 a couple years from now. I care more about efficiency than just stupidly running a cpu at 95° to get the most performance
I'm quite happy with my 4900HS processor + GTX2060 max Q, been playing games on my laptop with an external ultra-widescreen at 3440x1440 at high settings without issues.
In 5 years we gone from 4c/8t i3-12100 level of performance to 8c/16t 5700X for the same price. Compare that with 2011-2017 with 4c/8t i7-2700K vs 4c/8t 7700K. Just like the mid 2000s, when AMD starts to compete with Intel, that is when we get real advancements. Though I must agree that sometimes it is better to slowdown so the software market can keep up, and I hope that happens now, and both CPU and GPU makers start focusing on more efficiency and lower prices, because low end GPUs for 300€ and 6c/12t for 350€ is on the interest of a few.
nice shirt! 'InFlamesWeTrust!' thank for this comparison! really answered a big question for buying at an expected upcoming holiday sales, that I'm now questioning :( ;)
Do you have a website or spreadsheet where you keep all this benchmark data? I would love to see how the older 5900 series compares to the 7700 series side by side.
If the power consumption is a consideration, there is an under volt setting that drops the power and heat massively without losing performance to a marked degree.
The one thing scaring me away from the AM5 format is the number of failures attached to it...but then I'm running a high end Linux media computer as possible with the AM4...
If you are still considering have a look at the Hardware Unboxed video on GPU and CPU scaling. The TLDR is that you wouldn't get any real gains upgrading your processor with that graphics card. I'm in the same boat and have been tempted to get a 5800x3d but I've decided to stick with my 3700x as I would see any real improvement with my gpu
I'll probably get 5700x when the chip is below $200 next year. Upgrading from a 2700 non-X, and I think I'd be set skipping AM5 altogether and would upgrade on AM6 if I still care about building and upgrading my PC in 2028 lol
Always very happy when someone does a very relevant comparison like this - big thank you sir. It is shocking just to see how much AMD, Intel and Nvidia (CPU & GPU) are seriously(!!) ramping up wattage use on their latest products - as damning an indictment as you can get in showing just how little they all value innovation instead of the drive to 'brute force' with power use - ESPECIALLY in todays sickening cost of living and energy crisis. --> If AMD doesn't very, very aggressively price RDNA 3 waaay below Ngreedia's 4000 series, well then, I wish them all to get a reality wake up call as the consumer, en masse, gives all these products a hard pass.
Ah just the video that I was looking for ! Awesome content as well. I'm using a 3700x at the moment but didn't bother to upgrade to the 5700x due to nominal performance increase while doing gaming. My intention is to upgrade at some point but the price of the 7700x seems a bit steep. Factor in that I need an AM5 motherboard and DDR5 ram, it will be quite an investment. I invested a fair amount initially in a 4x8GB DDR4-3200 memory kit. Perhaps I should wait until DDR5 ram drop to a reasonable price? Any thoughts? Maybe the 5800X3D is an option for gaming? I'm running an MSI X470 Gaming Pro motherboard which should support any of the 5000 series cpu's.
@@JarrodsTech I just checked CPU prices on a local online shop and found that the selling price of the 7700x is the same as the 5800X3D ! Looks like option is clear :-) I don't feel like buy overpriced DDR5 right now haha or buying a new motherboard. First need to save up the cash for the new 5800X3D cpu. I'm sure that the 5000 series cpu's will drop over time.
Would stay on AM4.. Because DDR4 memory is already matured to the max speed. Otherwise you have to pay for a `slower` DDR5 kit which by this time is to expensive.. Any maybe in the future, you want to have faster DDR5 memory.. Then you have to buy twice. My setup is 5800x3d with msi x570s edge max wifi, Gskill 4x 16GB CL16 3600Mhz @ 3800Mhz, AMD Reference RX6700XT 12GB.. And two PCI-e 4.0 x 4 ssds. Next upgrade for me would be an RDNA 4 graphics card (probably the RX 8800) (RDNA 4 will be a bigger killer over RDNA3) And a added new monitor (still running on 1440P TN based Asus MG278Q) Probably upgrade CPU / Motherboard / Memory with AM6 if i can make it.. Otherwise go with Zen 6 (if its still on AM5 and buying the parts with there is a discount)
Just think am4 delivered on improvements from the 1700-5700. So now think if am5 improves just as good. Like 7700- maybe 10700x. A 10800x3d would be crazy.
Apparently, the reason they are so hot is actually due to the thick lids made for backwards cooler compatibility. Hopefully they come out with a refresh with thinner lids.
I’m upgrading my 3700X to a 5700X and I’m glad I stuck around for the video gaming benchmarks. I was not expecting such a difference in performance with lower power draws and almost exactly the same stats.
I went from a 3600x to a 5700x recently and have no regrets. The 3600x was a great chip when I had it paired with my 2060, but once I upgraded to a 3080 it started bottlenecking me in some game and I got frame dips. The 5700x solved those frame dips and raised my average frame rate, all while being power efficient especially for a 8 core chip
@Jarrod'sTech how did u manage to get so many frames in Warzone on 7 3700x? I had that CPU when I bough 6900xt and my frames just stopped at 130 (AVG) and 70 (1%LOW). The 3700x bottlenecked my new GPU so I decided to buy 5000 series to gain performance. Even with lowest settings it was impossible for me to get 200FPS on 1440p not mentioning 240FPS on 1080p.
since most people dont own a 3090, you should test if there is any uplift with midrange graphics card. That will answer the question if a upgrade is needed.
you can undervolt the 7000 series and get lower power consumption without a noticable reduction in clock speed. you can achive same performance with roughly 25-30% less power draw. fidlly to get there, but possible. lower temps are the positive side effect
My laptop's 4700u regularly goes to 110 degrees peak with around 100 sustained, and while I agree these are quite toasty temps it doesn't seem to have an issue with it
This Comparison was much needed, As more and more Tech Reviewers compare CPUs by just one Gen to the latest Gen ( EX: R7 5700X to R7 7700X) Rather than Compare Years of data ( EX: R7 2700X to R7 7700X). I don't know of many people who upgrade every release of a new CPU or GPU part every release cycle. Such as myself. I still rock with my R7 2700X @ 4.1GHZ (NO PBO) w/ 32GB ddr4 cl 16 3200MHZ Paired w/ RX 6700xt which I recently upgraded from an RX 580 8GB. I have zero plans to upgrade my CPU because it still runs like the day I purchased it and meets my normal expectations. I am well aware that my RX 6700XT is being held back massively, To overcome this I set in-game Resolution scales to 150% to 200% to get the best quality without holding back the full performance of the card.
Reports indicate that the ECO mode has to be something to test against when doing mult-core work - some of the reports of the possible power saving for the 7950X vs the reduction in performance look very good.
Well that's true, on both 7950X and 7900X simply going from stock (170W TDP/230W PPT) to ECO 105 mode (105/142) only incurs a ~6% drop in productivity performance and no drop in gaming performance. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. You can also use undervolting, curve optimizer, PBO offsets and temperature to get similar or even *better* results than stock WHILE USING LESS POWER/LOWER TEMPS too. The amount of tweaking you can do on Ryzen 7000 is insane!
