Comparing LeBron & Jordan is unfair, talks relationship & friendship - Ahmad Rashad | NBA | THE HERD 

There should be no Goat debate. Jordan is above everybody. Lebron will finish #2 which isnt a failure

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Lebron aint in the convo with Jordan Kareem and Wilt. Lebron is more in the convo with Magic Bird Kobe. These no slight in that. Thats somethin to be proud of

Lebron is great but NOT great as Jordan. Jordan overcame all obstacles but Lebron couldn't and had to move to different teams to joins other super stars. Also didn't play defense.

@The Liquidator well said. Magic said it a long time ago. " there is michael jordan, and there is the rest of us" I believe it'll be like that as long as we play this game.

he got demoted for telling bob costas. the truth. all costas did was put down black players back in the day. so ahmad told him what have you played in your life. nothing. so do not do that, next week he was off the show. same as skip bayless did jaylen rose. white boys always know everything. and can not play dead. and get black former players kicked off. white boy get in their feeling. the truth hurts.

@@reginaldtate1706 ahmad is greatest calm broadcaster but leave race card at home buddy it gets tiring

@@davidchandler6885 it" s no card buddy. i was alive back then saw it and heard it with my own eyes and ears. truth hurts buddy, but it wiil set you free. i was born in the 1950"s buddy. later trumpy bear

I still feel the same way about kobe he was a ballhog

Devyn Corvington Kobe wouldn’t agree

@@arizonaFIREent Too soon

what lmao what does him dying have to do with any of that stop being soft

Piglet Smith kobe would definately agree! Hes that competitive and would want to be remembered like he was

You’re a hero

Wow, thanks 🙂

Thanks!!

Darryl Davis David Thompson was his favorite player

Facts. David Thompson too.

@@fuddyduddie1205 I think he was responding to the fact Ahmad couldn't remember the 2nd player . I thinkk Walter Davis might of been , because he was from NC and went to UNC 4 year before MJ , Thompson went to NC State

W McArthur oh okay.

Walter Davis played for Phoenix was good.

LeBron lost in the Olympics. 🤷‍♂️

@Pierre Corley He lost. That is the point. Not his team? If you say you are the GOAT, then all teams that you are in should be YOUR TEAM. He had Wade, Iverson, Duncan, Anthony, Amare, etc. That is a very good team. Dont make the excuse that it is not his team. Jordan was never part of a team that he wasnt the Alpha. Even in his first year in UNC, he was asserting himself and challenging Worthy for the Alpha position and Worthy admits to it that MJ was better than him after 2 weeks of his MJ's freshman year. Dont make excuses for LeBron.

@Pierre Corley You dont get it. Okay, let me educate you. Point by point: * You dont hear ppl bringing up the L in the Olympics when they talk abt AI or TD because ppl dont hype them and be foolish idiots of saying LBJ is the GOAT v MJ. Ppl insist that LBJ is better than MJ, so the Ls in int'l competition are brought up. And it counts. Because if you are the GOAT, you dont lose to intl players when you have NBA stars in your team. * Just to indulge your point, LBJ was on his 2nd year when they lost in the 2004 Olympics. Not once but 3 TIMES! But then, they lost again in the FIBA World with him on 2006. He had 4 years in NBA. Any more excuses? * Hate? Maybe some, but not here. I admire and recognized LBJ's greatness, top 10 GOAT definitely. Im just airing my argument that he is not the GOAT. Definitely not better than MJ. * Elite? NBA Elite? What are you talking about? Theories? Huh? You play great, you make sure you are the best in your era at least, and you win championships while being the Alpha in your team. You dont choke in high- leverage moments. That's what makes a great NBA player. * Wow. 6 out 12. He needs 3 more. If you can bet money on this, I would like to bet you. LBJ's resume is impressive as it is right now. But I just like to educate dreamers that say LBJ is the GOAT.

Conversely, I don’t think anyone could be compared to Lebron.

Holden Caulfield most of the Media love MJ more only a few no name media pick Lebron

Its not really even fair to put Lebron on rushmore. He took the easy route, played longer got better physical tools and still accomplished the same or less than a lot of old greats and even players right now. Not better than Magic, Kareem, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq Hakeem, Bird, Isiah, Russell, Wilt, Curry or Kawhi is my estimation.

Todd Michaelsen....never quit? Oh yeah, MJ wanted to play baseball during the prime of his career. It’s not as if he was like Bo Jackson or Deon Sanders who legitimately played 2 sports in college and were eligible AND talented enough to play baseball and football at the professional level. How come nobody mentions that? I think this is a huge blemish in MJ”s career. I think it was selfish. Talk about load management. 2 years of f playing baseball to live out a childhood dream. Lebron is still in the league and led his teams to the playoffs and finals. Win some-lose some...but at least he is still in the fight, defying all odds. MJ would get blasted if he had half the criticism of social media and sports commentators with their own shows.

@@user-hb9ig4fx9p Stop it.

Against guards and wings, sure. I don’t see him winning against the likes of Hakeem or Shaq tho.

@@iNostraD good point. Obviously they're gonna score down low. Maybe Mike steals a few. So Mike's only chance is to hit most of his outside shots....cus u know they aren't coming out on him. He'll drive by and dunk. Would b damn interesting to watch. It's too bad the NBA never organized a 1on1 tourney. Have one every year with the best players. Damn....how much money would that make for everybody?

He can't beat Kobe or Kevin Durant or Magic Johnson.

@@emmanuelenyinwa1443 yes...he'd beat both Kobe and magic. But I think I agree about big guys that can nail the three and go low over MJ. There aren't many tho....KD....Dirk....etc. Then again. MJ could come out on them and pester them. And we know they can't drive past MJ. So basically big guys will own the paint against him mostly....and MJ would have to hit his outside shots. Cus they can't guard him outside...he'll burn them for dunks

@@leekautz2926 Dude, K D crosses LeBron and Kahwi. He would DESTROY a reaching gambling player like Jordan, who went 6-6, 200, as big and as athletic as J R Smith. Prime Jordan was getting destroyed down low by an old Magic Johnson in 1991. 1987 Magic would own Jordan. In fact, Magic challenged Jordan to a one on one pay per view winner take all event in Las Vegas and Jordan turned it down saying he wanted to get out of the image of being known as a one on one player. He couldn't stay in front of Allen Iverson or Mahmood Abdul Rauf, though he was old by then. Others I think would beat him, Kahwi, Gianni's, too big, prime Dwyane Wade, prime Allen Iverson, 2015, 2016 LeBron.

Because the competition didn't call for anymore than that.

They both had all star cast...

Lebron also willed himself to greatness to he had a harder life then jordan growing up without a dad mother was 16 living in poor housing mj had both parent but lebron was way better then mj at a young age grade school high school he was better then mj.

@@24davaughn Lebron is the GOAT period! The sinister assault of the media and social media alone says he's the GOAT. What he's done based off the hate is incredible.

John Gist I think MJ is just happy to always be in the conversation.

Why would they bother MJ? He probably doesn't feel threatened by Lebron much, if at all. He has 6 championships in 6 finals appearances. Lebron has 6 losses in 9 finals appearances. Lebron's career is more comparable to Jerry West's than Jordan's.

Luciano damn man y’all just don’t do any research anymore lmao

Luciano Yes indeed he was a great Football player lottery pick

Lol really?

Got that too.

Very squirmy

Jalen Smith III I have no issue with people saying lebron is better than Jordan. My issue is the fake story lines to tear Jordan down to build lebron up

Nothing wrong with Nick Wright trying attach himself to Lebron. Its smart for his profession

Long Shots it would be smart if he didn’t lie and if he made sense. He only makes sense to people with no basketball IQ so I disagree

Willie Bender that works both ways

andre campbell can’t be the goat with that many loses that’s facts

Fidel Gomez Jr. LMAOOOOO 😂😂😂. Funniest thing I’ve seen all day

Fidel Gomez Jr. LMAOOOOO 😂😂😂. Funniest thing I’ve seen all day

Me too bro those were the days

The Brady manning debate would be totally different 1 they played in the same era... I could give u 10 more but that one kills your theory

But Kobe is the most disrespected player in NBA History outside Kareem.

@@rtv2324 not Kobe Dr. J is they never mention him because of his years in the ABA but that Doc was unstoppable he brought the game above the Rim he started the high flying act...

Kobe only had 2 rings as the BATMAN 3 as Robin let's keep it real... Lebron is more cerebral and better in his all around game

@@laamkingent1 There is no Laker shaq without Kobe. There is no Jordan without Pippen. Jordan's and shaq's words

Saying "kobe is the closest in play style to Jordan" does NOT mean "kobe is the 2nd best player ever". He's around 5-7

The Last Dance. It's on ESPN

It's on Netflix as long as you have a VPN

Walter Davis

Got that too.

So what today's era calls for more talent on a team to win. What juggernauts did MJ beat? Stop it!

Uptalk1 He beat everyone in front of him once he got 1 all star.

LeBron was on juggernaut team only won 2 chips should been 4 chips see Jordan didn't half to that just saying

@@meechryles7072 That wasn't an all time great team. Close though. That team was never 100% favorite to win finals.

MJ had an all-star/all-NBA/all-Def player by his side for EVERY finals. LeBron has never had a teammate that was all-NBA and all-Def (until now with AD) and he’s only even had an all-NBA teammate 2x in 16+ years (Wade 1x, Kyrie 1x). LeBron has been a favorite in 2 of 9 finals, he has 3 rings. MJ was a favorite in all 6. LeBron has faced 33 HOFers in 9 finals and multiple HOFers in every one. MJ faced 9 total HOFers in 6 finals and half of them were against 1... meanwhile his team had 2 top-30 all-time players for a decade and the GOAT coach. He also had Grant and Rodman for each 3-peat. LeBron BEAT a 73 win team MJ got to play WITH one. LeBron went to 8 straight finals and 2 Olympics MJ quit TWICE in his prime... LeBron has never lost in the 1st rd MJ was 1-9 before Pippen LeBron is 3-6 against the best teams he’s played MJ was 1-5 (Pistons and Celtics) LeBron has taken multiple bad teams to the finals MJ couldn’t win a single series without Pippen LeBron beat a team with 3 future MVPs, he beat another team with 4 HOFers, and a 73-win team with 3 HOFers after coming back from 3-1 Every team MJ faced in the finals was worse than ANY team LeBron has faced in the finals LeBron beat 10 HOFers for his 3 rings (3.3/ring) MJ beat 9 HOFers for his 6 rings... (1.5/ring)

Walter Davis was one of Jordan's other favorite players and Jordan said he was the best SG he ever played against. Walter Davis played for the Suns but also did play 2 years in Denver. That is who Ahmad was thinking of. Michael Ray Richardson was also another player that was compared to Jordan in the media when Jordan was coming out of UNC.

musicluv80 he never said that the media saying it

@@yaboizae No, he did. Also he recently said that again as well. You can find it on youtube. That was 3 month ago.

Daniel Peer well MJ is the current greatest but Lebron is still playing so it’s unfair to make the comparison. When Lebron retires we can look back and settle it. He better win with AD or it’s over frfr this time. He can’t lose anymore.

@@fuddyduddie1205 considering Lebron's track record, it wouldn't be surprising if this Lakers team flopped.

Louie Paolo Lumanglas true but I think the NBA elites would’ve found a way to make them win especially after Kobe’s passing. I picked the Bucks to win it all bs the Clippers but after Kobe passed I think the NBA would’ve made sure the Lakers won all the awards. Hopefully I’m wrong and we get to see.

@@fuddyduddie1205 true, the nba is too narrative driven these days especially having a declining face of the league, was a lot more straightforwars in early 2010's when Lebron is clear cut best player. I swear if Giannis wins this year and 2-3 straight, he will become the new goat contender and a much stronger one compared to Lebron.

Louie Paolo Lumanglas I agree but like all GOAT contenders, he must win multiple titles and multiple finals MVPS. Those mean more than records and records mean more than stats.

Mo Betta Paul George is a better version of Reggie Miller and I doubt he ever makes the HOF. Vlade Divac is one of the 9 HOFers MJ played in the finals, Vlade freakin Divac is “HOF”. Meanwhile, LeBron has faced 33 HOFers in the finals alone and as you pointed out, the talent level today is obviously greater than it was 30 years ago

@@johnkestner exactly. Interesting you bring up Reggie Miller. In Jordan's prime, he and Clyde Drexler we're MJ's most competition at that same position...now compare them to who were LeBron's most competition at that position throughout his career (T-Mac and Vince early on, and presently Kawhi and KD...and that doesn't include Joe Johnson, Granger, Melo, Artest, Luca, Richard Jefferson, and Shawn Marion many others we can name). Then there was also no Arrest, Ariza, Tayshunn Prince or Iguodala quality defenders in the league that MJ had to deal with. Even the center position MJ had Olajuwon, Ewing, David Robinson, Shaq, Dikembe, and Mourning.... LeBron's had to contend with the Unicorn, AD, Dwight Howard, Pau and Marc Gasol, The Joker, Embiid, Karl Anthony-Towns, Antetekumpo, Horford, and A'mare. Not to split hairs but the 90s centers weren't a threat offensively or defensively beyond 12-15ft from the basket. MJ never had to deal with a 7ft prime Dirk. MJ fans don't wanna acknowledge that if you remove the emotional nostalgia, MJ can't be the GOAT when LeBron's unquestionably dominated a more all around talented and competuve NBA than MJ did in his peim.

@@mobetta2092 he's the Best player in the world remember. So stop making excuses for him

@@keithen8708 oh no doubt Bron's the best and indeed no excuses here

What a lousy argument. Lol What about funny how Kyrie and Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy by sinking those 3 pointers. If not Lebron would only have 1 ring today, and he should be thankful of Wade and the Heat who already won a ring before Lebron ran to them. Lol

Nope

@@user-hb9ig4fx9p hello 10 year old bronsexual, sucks to be you rn lol

Zkeleton Z I do agree that more people would’ve hated Jordan more, but hatred for LeBron is the worst.

If there'a no social media, no one would be talking about Lebron outside America. Hahaha

@@jetgarcia8819 There was no social media when the original dream team played and lots of people outside the US knew who they were.

And who made the sport global again??🤔🤔🤔 I rest my case...

@@dontrellbright85 not what i'm getting at. You missed the point. The bottom line is the competition nowadays is so much harder because the talent pool is way deeper. one third of the players in the league come from a different country and would have never been in NBA back then. They're taking from billions of people now and it wasn't even a couple hundred million back when Jordan was there. There's literally ten times more men playing basketball today so if the overall talent level is so much better and it's not even a comparison either. can you imagine if you took 35% of the league out of the NBA today and replace them with much worse players, how dominant James would be?

@@arthurfonzarelli9828 yeah but just because it's more players doesn't make it harder as far a competition. You can take the best player from any country you wanna pic they can not compare to the United States players. So to me if you dominate the players in America wtf kind of problems can a INTERNATIONAL player create for the best player ever????? Jordan would definitely dominate in this era of basketball the same era in which lebron james has only 3 rings in that is with help ofcourse with Dwayne wade and Chris Bosh. All he has is EXCUSES he is not the real goat not even close should not ever be mentioned in the same breath as mj. He has a blueprint on how to beat him even after he's won the title. After mj figured out how to win he never looked back pure dominance. He was already regarded as the best player in the league b4 he won his rings the championships just solidified him as the true GOAT. Ion wanna hear nothing about this self proclaimed manufactured goat because he has had more time in the league than Jordan and still has achieved less than Jordan.

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itsKev81 Michael Jordan has: •3 more rings •3 more final mvps •1 more DPOY •1 more season MVP •9 more scoring titles •3 more steals leader •3 more all defensive team selections •Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10) •Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals Lebron did it twice •6/6 (never allowed a game 7)•Lebron had much more help •Jordan never had a teammate averaged more than 22 points in the finals..Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26 •MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs •MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..All of this accomplished in 13 seasons. •Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg. (86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics. •Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. •in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this. •the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%. •MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3% •MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3. •MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9% •MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year.. Seriously this list can keep going. This isn't even a debate. Mj is the GOAT. Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls: -10 STRAIGHT scoring titles, -Won Defensive Player of the Year, -9 times all defensive team, -9time All NBA, -5 league MVPs-6 finals MVPs LBJ missed the playoffs completely in his first 2 years. Jordan played 82 games 9 times in his career once at 40. LBJ only played 82 games once. In 89 Jordan won the scoring title all star MVP regular season MVP and Defensive Player of The year..something LBJ has never done. Jordan also averaged 41 pts a game for an entire Finals shootimg 50% and won. Something else LBJ never did.All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career... And before you criticize me for copy and pasting just know that it doesn’t matter if it’s copied or not, truth is truth. Try again.

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73 years of nba disagree with you and know that young kids will pick mj so no your wrong bronasexual

Jordan is faster and quicker. Also more agile. Look at the Steals stats. Smooth as all get out. They don't call him The Black Cat for nothin

Darryl Davis Jordan is the most graceful player of all time but Lebron is the most freakish... both are all time greats and best of their generation

@@trix507 Duncan was better than Lebron in this past generation. Also I think Leonard is better. Durant is a better scorer but not very strong really so he is maybe not as good. however Tim Duncan is better. Duncan could control games defensively and was also a top level Post up player. The things Tim Duncan could do defensively are only noticed by Experts and other great players. Lebron is not the most "freakish". That would be Darryl Dawkins, Shaq, Chamberlain and David Robinson. Also Shawn Kemp. Also Michael Jordan. He was both smooth and freakish awesome athleticism.

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Himel Uddin I don't know about faster especially in the half court young Jordan was quick af