Comparing Shure SM7B with and without a Cloudlifter

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When purchasing a Shure SM7B you usually are faced with the decision of pairing it with a mic activator like the cloud microphones cl-1 or cl-2 in order to boost your audio gain before the preamp. In this video I do a direct comparison of the Shure SM7B with and without the Cloudlifter going into the zoom h6 and the zoom h4n.
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@JavierMercedes 5 лет назад

Which one sounds better and do you think it a Cloudlifter is worth it?

@divinityvrms6743 4 года назад

could I use one of these to get the line level needed from my sure sm7 dynamic microphone to go into my golden age tube compressor? it wants a "line level" input signal

@xeroexistence 4 года назад

@@divinityvrms6743 This question sent me down an unexpected rabbit hole, yet I emerged not much more knowledgable than I was before. First of all, the Cloudlifter appears to be a preamp, but it's phantom powered, so I'm unsure it can provide enough gain to bring your mic up to line-level. I believe what you're looking for is a powered mic preamp, but for the sake of the life of your compressor, I HIGHLY recommend that you consult Golden Age Products as they would be able to provide you the best practices in your compressor's use.

@MapleJokerRofl 4 года назад

@@xeroexistence such exquisite way of phrasing yourself. i came

@jas_bataille 4 года назад

@@xeroexistence Just to clarify this for you : this pre-amp isn't made to be used with microphones requiring phantom-power. It's specifically made to boost either low-gain dynamic microphones such as the SM7b, or ribbon microphones in digital recording facilities. This is mostly used when you have to run long cables in excess of 100 feet, or when using a sub-par mixer or interface that doesn't give you enough gain before starting to sound noisy. Basically what this does is phantom-powering *itself* - it doesn't phantom-power the microphone. It is made to be used with *passive* microphones. It gives a boost of around +25dB without adding noise or very little - this noise being mostly caused by non-insulated power in project studios and uncontrolled environments. Basically, the phantom-power is used to boost the signal of a passive microphone rather than powering an active microphone, and it works! I myself used a King Sound DI injecting phantom power "into" a passive microphone to get similar results :) This is unconventional for sure but it does wonders when used the right way, since you gain much of the gain of a condenser but reject the noises of an uncontrolled environment easily.

@xeroexistence 4 года назад

Jas Bataille Yeah, I was definitely mistaken at the time. I should have known better about the SM7B. Lol. It's interesting that, how you put it, it "phantom powers itself," though it makes perfect sense, and that's pretty cool. : ) Thanks for the clarification!

@isaiah979 4 года назад

I heard some bass in your voice with the cloudlifter

@BondBanik 6 месяцев назад

You didnt hear bass, the noise level being very low with cloudlifter which consist high end frequencies as soon as the noise clears out u can hear the original sound of sm7b

@dennypilot9856 14 дней назад

@@BondBanikthat's crazy

@sassulusmagnus 4 года назад

I have that combo. The real benefit of the Cloudlifter with an SM7B is appreciated when you want to use the SM7B with a preamp that either doesn't have enough gain or doesn't have a low enough noise floor. For spoken word voice-over it may not make a huge difference, but with stacked vocals in a mix it does.

@Orrinton 4 года назад

This comment sold me, I'm officially getting one lol

@Fallingmonsters 4 года назад

@@Orrinton Same. Thank you sassulusmagnus, O wise one

@nuphone6202 3 года назад

@@Orrinton same here

@Orrinton 3 года назад

@@nuphone6202 Update I got it, really helps with recording it's a GAIN changer lol

@merlin5849 3 года назад

can i use a fethead instead? it's a much cheaper option...

@tuffycampbell 3 года назад

I love your dedication to re-enacting the intro every time. Quality side by side comparison! Thanks :)

@kristysensei 2 года назад

this demonstration was fantastic. your videos are clear, concise, and excellently put together. thank you, kind sir for this glorious contribution to the internet.

@plumdog 4 года назад

Not a lot of difference when using the first interface, but when you swapped to the older zoom with less gain there was a huge difference in adding the cloud lifter

@AndrewTanielian 2 года назад

Thank you for making this and for also testing the Zoom H4N after you showed the H6N. I have the H4N and appreciated you taking the time!

@BlendedFamilyMan 3 года назад

The lesson I needed from the friend I didn't even know I had. I just ordered a Cloudlifter. Thanks!

@PixelPurist 4 года назад

Awesome comparison Javier, this really helps illustrate how big of a difference something like this makes to a recording 👍 I bought a Fethead for my h4n setup a few years back, and I used to have so many recordings cranked up almost to 100, but now I'm at a much lower volume where I don't have to deal with the insane hiss from the h4n's preamps.

@jaydee8872 4 года назад

Great demo, dude! Cleared up some questions

@Aerospace_Education 3 года назад

I went back and forth, but yesterday I bought the cloud lifter. This video makes me glad that I did! Thanks for it! Hopefully will help some of the new content I'm planning on my channel.

@Zactivist 2 года назад

Just going to get a cloudlifter! Your video helped me make the call! For my setup, too much noise without it, and even at full gain on my Scarlett 2i2, barely can get a signal with my SM7B. I have to practically eat the mic to get a decent sound without messing a lot with the recording.

@MicahBuzanANIMATION 3 года назад

This is def helping with my audio purchasing decisions!

@MikeEdwardsphotography 3 года назад

I never understood the purpose of a Cloudlifter. Now I do. Thanks Javier.

@iamantoniofernandez 3 года назад

Thank you for this video! Definitely helped clarify my purchase desision.

@joshfulk7991 3 года назад

this was a helpful video man. im buying one this week for my sm7b. thanks bro

@topicruben Год назад

Great video, man. Thanks for clarifying so many doubts I had

@AlexPriceMusician 3 года назад

Great demo. Really thorough. I only wish we could have compared the noise floors between the two

@Kelarys 4 года назад

I'm about to finally upgrade to this mic and you confirmed that I absolutely do want the CL2. Noise floor has been my archnemesis lol

@JavierMercedes 4 года назад

Kelarys you won’t be disappointed then, sometimes the cloudlifter isn’t necessary, but if you are like me - I just want things to work the way they are supposed to and get to creating. Not worrying about whether or not the levels sound great removes that much of friction in the creation process for me that it has been worth the purchase.

@LXIVGOLD 4 года назад

I just purchased both cannot wait to put them to work!

@thegardeninvestments 2 года назад

Well done! I love the quality with the cloud lifter. Good demo.

@gravelfreeman 2 года назад

I've literally bough the CL-2 while listening to your video, thanks!

@flipperpitstudio 3 года назад

Excellent comparison. Thank you!

@rva 3 года назад

👍awesome job

@thephunhouse2444 3 года назад

I was on the fence for the CloudLifter. This video pretty much sealed the deal. Ordered! Thank you, Javi! Eres un monstro!

@JavierMercedes 3 года назад

Glad this could help, I’m sure you will be pleased with the results.

@thephunhouse2444 3 года назад

@@JavierMercedes Good sir. I am pleased to announce that the CloudLift, definitely came through. Your review sealed the deal and I have the CloudLift up and running! Subscribed!

@HeyRAZI 4 года назад

Guys, an important note I feel is missed here, because wasn't mentioned enough is the gain difference. As javier showed, the 60 points difference in the second check is massive, and consider getting a cloudlifter to avoid Gain problems, with every audio-interface and preamp you'll use. Great new year people!

@gummiberry Год назад

Legend! Thank you for the comparison.

@nate_mccallister 3 года назад

great video man!

@nathanielhamilton5841 4 года назад

The vocal without the Cloudlifter sounded thinner to me, I love the more present low end response in the vocal with the Cloudlifter. Even if it may seem excessive to some, a low cut would help to tame any excess low end leaving you with a more upfront sound. I have the Shure SM7B running through a ISA One into a 2i2 but for a more portable solution I'm looking to get the Cloudlifter. The background noise seemed significantly lower with the Cloudlifter as well, is that due to it being a smaller piece of equipment utilizing less mechanisms that create noise or is it due to other factors? I think this video sealed the deal for me! I appreciate the content my dude, peace!

@JavierMercedes 4 года назад

Glad I could help Nathan, I still use my cloudlifter whenever I can, to me it just adds a little something. But I understand to those that would want to just add more eq in post. This video was just to showcase what the recording sounds like with and without it.

@BlueYoshiGamer 3 года назад

Thanks for the free comparison here’s a sub

@jay.phillips 5 лет назад

Its like you're in my head. I am stuGGling with the sound on my podcast and ive wondered about getting a cloudlifter... but havent pulled the trigger. Im trying to make sure i have the best possible configuration and levels, And then make the call. But thanks for the info! Much appreciated.

@JavierMercedes 5 лет назад

I'd say make sure you have the other things in place solid about the podcast before you make more investments to gear. If you have traction already and know you are going to get a lot of use out of the cloudlifter than I think it would be worth the investment. But even putting the rode close to you or your subject and talking directly into camera may work for now. thanks for watching Jay!

@computerlen 4 года назад

The Cloudlifter is amazing. I have so far wired up the circuitry and made two of my own.

@hipethenomad 2 года назад

oh i'd love to hear more about this!!

@apollinesetan3691 3 года назад

Hey! Thanks for the video. I think that, overall, I really liked both recordings. However, again it depends on the use. I think that the test with the cloudlifter might be helpful and sounds better in terms of pure vocals/speaking like for podcasts, radio, gaming etc. However, when it comes to singing, I tend to prefer the sound of a shure SM7B, without the cloudlifter. But that's just my personal opinion! Thanks again. (sorry for any potential mistakes, I'm french)

@cambossdt4788 3 года назад

Thanks for the info!

@taurus3973 2 года назад

It was interesting to hear how much cleaner the H6 preamp is than the H4N. The cloudlifter really didn’t make much of an audible difference with the H6, but it made a big difference with the H4N.

@tsalami21 3 года назад

This was very informative! The SM7B with the cloudlifter was definitely the better sound one of the two!

@stephansteyn5351 2 года назад

It's either the low-cost cloud lifter or crazy expensive preamps. I remember when it came out like ten years ago it was unique for not adding any colour to the sound, The preamps could do it but it wasn't as clean, they add saturation etc.

@ComedianPraveenKumar 4 года назад

Great review, a lot of people will be searching for stuff like this but again as you said at the end nobody really compains about plosives and other things or would care SM58 versus SM7B if your content is engaging.

@JavierMercedes 4 года назад

For sure, some of the best podcasters out there started out recording in their cars with the iPhone ear buds, but if what you have to say is relevant it will trump the audio anytime...just is nice to have the added benefit of better sounding audio :) thanks for watching Kumar!

@StantonDJJoker 4 года назад

Came here to get some info on the CL and whether it was worth it when paired with that same mic. YEP!

@JavierMercedes 4 года назад

Glad I could help!

@shawncoleman8845 5 лет назад

I was surprised how subtle the difference is. There's a little more bass and presence with the Cloudlifter; it sounds a bit more EQ'd. But I feel like could replicate that in the box on the non-Cloudlifter. Great video, thanks!

@JavierMercedes 5 лет назад

Yup, for sure the cloud lifter adds some EQ and presence that could be added afterwards but I have to say it has been a game changer for me recording these podcasts in none ideal environments with some guests that are unfamiliar with how to talk into these mics. But I’m sure you have amazing pre’s at your disposal to circumvent the noise. Thanks for watching Shawn!

@_garebear 2 года назад

I loved the subtlety yet power of the increase...it went from amateur to pro. You can hear the cloudlifter catching the breaths.

@woodpecked3D 2 года назад

Hey bud! great video, i was wondering if you have to load the audio into your computer and sync to the video with the ZoomH4 ?

@Ashkanani 3 года назад

Thanx for this nice comparison but I would like to have your advice regarding cloudlifter with SM7B and zoom H6, do you thing its a must with H6 or I can live without it using H6 ?

@eastcoastvisualmedia 5 лет назад

great test

@JavierMercedes 5 лет назад

Thanks for watching!

@Millenia3D 2 года назад

Quite a massive difference, was easy clocking it was B from how much richer/bassier your voice sounds with the Cloudlifter on it. I ended up getting a Soyuz Launcher for my SM7B so I'm super looking forward to trying it head to head with my own voice & seeing how it stacks up :) Heard a lot of good things about that thing and it plain looks cool.

@completelyrandom888 3 года назад

great review

@qualiiii 3 года назад

Thank you, helped a lot

@keithrandrade 2 года назад

Great video, Javier! Thank you so much

@tomkluender0760 4 года назад

Javier Thanks for all the great content!!! it's awesome!!!!!! would you recommend the cloudlifter cl 2 or 2 cl 1. I'm in a "home Studio" in my closet or I am mobile. what's your thought.

@JavierMercedes 4 года назад

Thanks Tom! I'd only recommend the CL-2 for people who know they will have more than one person talking at the same time (buying the CL-2 is cheaper than buying 2 cl-1's.) If you are only going to be using one mic all the time than the CL-1 is the way to go.

@JoeRussellProductions Год назад

This is literally the exact video I needed! Quick question, the SMB 7 sounds terrible without the cloud lifter as you have shown in this video, but why does my road NTG2 sound so good with my zoom h4n? Is it because of that little battery that it has in the mic?

@johnschaffer2073 4 года назад

On the H6 - don't think the cloudlifter was really necessary, especially with a bit of compression in post. The H4 - it made a massive difference!

@consciensnesttv3775 2 года назад

Awesome vid mate! Just learned about this amazing Mic. Saw from one video where this guy said that you don't really need the cloud lifter... It's all about how close you go to the mic. Is this correct?

@heshumi Год назад

thank you a lot. I def need a cloudlifter

@Zeponegro 2 года назад

Thank you man thats exactly the test I needed before purchasing CloudLifter CL1... Do you think I can get a similar result with a Triton Fethead ?

@AC-hj9tv 2 года назад

Thanks, David Cross!

@ayeeidkmusic 3 года назад

Im def going to cop a pre for the sm7b after watching this. I did come across another brand tho, the FETHEAD. Would be nice to see a comparison between the two. Which would you recommend? Thanks!

@MichaelJ023 4 года назад

I don’t understand why modern interfaces don’t have input selections for different microphone impedances. I never have any input gain issues using SM7B or RE20 etc connected to vintage mixers or broadcast consoles.

@aslprobro 3 года назад

This was very helpful. And yes the cloud lifter is much better. I’m considering getting a preamp too. 🤔

@divinityvrms6743 4 года назад

could I use one of these to get the line level needed from my sure sm7 dynamic microphone to go into my golden age tube compressor? it wants a "line level" input signal

@HongPong Год назад

thanks this is helpful especially for H4N owners

@InstallationMan1171 3 года назад

Def want that cloudlifter! Without it you have to boost up that gain and you get a lot of noise.. that hissing sound.

@jordanalex8674 2 года назад

Thank you! I definitely heard less noise with the cloudlifter :-)

@RobinJohnson 3 года назад

The noise floor practically disappears WITH the cloud lifter... Awesome.

@Socrates366 4 года назад

Do I need a cloudlifter for my shure SM7b, if I already have an analog yamaha MGP 16 series?

@CYMotorsport 4 года назад

SHEESH, finally. thank you. someone who actually went through the trouble of doing it rather just cavalierly shutting down no cloudlifter. I've already made the choice and purchased but good content deserves shoutouts so super well done keep pushing you deserve much, much more.

@JavierMercedes 4 года назад

Thanks so much Nick, putting the different options side by side really put the sound in perspective for me. Glad it could show others as well.

@MannyDemaga Год назад

In the intro of the video I could immediately notice a very clear difference.

@adrenalinefilmspr 4 года назад

Grate video . 👌🏻

@JavierMercedes 4 года назад

Thank you Adrenaline films!

@weetzybat 5 лет назад

Soo much better with the cloudlifter! Smooth

@JavierMercedes 5 лет назад

I agree

@CreativeNotJustYet 4 года назад

I just bought a Cloudlifter CL-1 but it seems very prone to interference, I paired it with my sm7b and my dbx286s which I had for 4 years, I wanted to facilitate a little for my preamp. have you experienced interference in the cloudlifter cl-1?

@BiggsNTwiggProd 4 года назад

thanks for this video. I think im going to get a cloudlifter. 👍

@xeroexistence 4 года назад

The sound difference is fairly subtle, but there's more clarity with the Cloudlifter and it sounds more well-rounded, and you've got a lot more headroom. You're far more likely to reach distortion without, with the gain cranked that high; with the Cloudlifter you have a lot more room to increase volume if for some reason you think you need to. Besides, if we can avoid cranking the gain the better overall for all parties involved. Lol.

@Afterburner 4 года назад

I run a SM7B with a Cloudlifter and a DBX 286s noise gate - It just works SO great in my primary studio! I am getting a second SM7B and of course, a Cloudlifter is standard kit for the SM7B ;>)

@JavierMercedes 4 года назад

Ooo classic setup, I bet it sounds great!

@Afterburner 4 года назад

@@JavierMercedes - It sure does - I have a deep bass voice and it just rolls like butter with that setup ;>) Like your channel - Just subbed! You do some great testing and I'm always up for learning new techniques and checking out new gear ;>)

@fatihakturko Год назад

I think tho you have premium sound card as DBX 286s.... Still You need CL right?

@via_negativa6183 Год назад

@@fatihakturko doubt it honestly, it entirely depends what you are running through, the cloudlifter has -128 ein and it will basically replace the current noise floor of your audio interface.

@InfinitelyQurious 2 года назад

When I cranked it up, I could definitely hear the hiss of the mic without the Cloudlifter. What I don't understand is how exactly the Cloudlifter does it's magic. Is there a battery inside?

@MrSindrech 2 года назад

can I have the second one? you dont need 2 mics

@eddyecho1325 4 года назад

Lift that cloud yoooo! That thing is sweet. Buying it

@JavierMercedes 4 года назад

Ay let me know how it goes Eddy!

@Rhylek 3 года назад

to me it doesnt seem like i need the cloudlifter. thanks for the video man it really helped!

@JoshuaVerwers 5 лет назад

🤔 So, I totally agree with using a Cloudlifter or FetHead when the noise floor isn't that low. The H4N has what an EIN of -115 dBu? The H6 has -120 dBU. But do you think there's any real benefit for the cost with something like the F4/F8 that have -127 dBu?

@JavierMercedes 5 лет назад

Joshua Verwers nope, I used the F8 with the SM7B going directly into it for many podcasts back when I was the engineer of theCHIVE podcast. Sounded and worked like a charm without the cloud lifter. I’d say it’s comparable to how the h6 sounds here. It’s not necessary but nice. And the f8 is zoom’s top of the line field recorder so I think it has the gusto to get the job done sans any cloudlifter.

@JoshuaVerwers 5 лет назад

@@JavierMercedes okay, that's refreshing to know. I don't really need all that comes with the F8, but for the price of even a couple Zoom H recorders (for redundancy) and cloud lifters, I can get a new F4 which has most of the best parts of the F8 for half the price. 👍🏻

@Lexluger_ 3 года назад

So would you recommend buying with the cloud lifter?

@tmorris93 4 года назад

I have a behringer umc22 that needs the gain maxed for my sennheisher e835s to even be usable - hoping the cloudlifter gets me where I need to be.

@JacobPeterzon Год назад

Hey your low cut switch is on with the one without the cloudlifter. The lack of clarity in the low end was the only thing I noticed in most cases and I feel like that's the reason.

@Starboy-ii9ut 4 года назад

If I have the CL-1, can you connect the Cloudlifter box directly into the SM7B's XLR output then the XLR cable to the pre amp? Or do you really need 2 wires?

@JavierMercedes 4 года назад

You need two wires, although that would be a nice option.

@Marceles45 5 лет назад

This is great

@JavierMercedes 5 лет назад

Thanks Andre! Glad you liked it.

@iracingbroadcastingcrew3343 3 года назад

Not sure if you’re still replying but I do have a question for you. I have a mixer and my dad says it has a built in pre amp. How can I tell if it has a good enough pre amp to where I wouldn’t need the cloud lifter? It’s a Behringer x1204usb

@HollyLeeCoaching 4 года назад

I have a zoom h5 and thinking to get the sm7b for live streaming and recording my YT videos. Is it necessary to get the cloudlifter?

@johnGuarenas 3 года назад

no, you don't need it

@Blankarte 3 года назад

Subtle difference. Cloudlifter makes it deeper, smoother, clearer and louder. And gents: exceptional quality is in these kind of subtle details! Need no more reviews. I'll get that item.

@weecapo 3 года назад

Without CL i hear some white noise, same, but worst, with H4n.

@LetsGoEvan 3 года назад

Now the only question I have is whether to get the CL-1 or CL-2... or CL-Z...

@yochevedzeli4797 3 года назад

does the cloud lifter work well with a shotgun mic too ?

@MichaelWarthStudios 5 лет назад

Stop making me buy stuff! Haha, just kidding, I’ve had my eye on a Cloudlifter for a while. Using SM58 mics into a Zoom H4n Pro here. I record most of my podcasts using a Mackie ProFX8v2 and send the signal to the H4n Pro and it enables me to keep the levels low on the Zoom but when I do anything on location I’d rather not take the mixer and I recently discovered how high I have to set the levels without the board. Thanks for sharing this, Javier!

@JavierMercedes 5 лет назад

Hey man! work with what you have until it makes sense, That setup sounds great! Would love to be a guest sometime!

@MichaelWarthStudios 5 лет назад

Javier Mercedes I’ll get with you, maybe we can do something over Skype or just record locally on each end. 👊🏻

@allemagneproducer 4 года назад

GOT A IMPORTANT QUESTION (bad english try to not misunderstand) so the cloudfilter makes the whole sound that comes from the sm7b sound bit more clear at all????? cause my sm7b is connected to an behringer xenyx x2222 which is giving me enough gain to get the volume loud enough without disturbing background noises the only equalizer i use is digital on FL studio but i still cant make the sound to sound as i want it to be.. my problem begins with the raw sound at all. so my sm7b sound "lower"/more "vintage" because i dont use a cloudfilter???

@IcePhixia2000 2 года назад

I got the Clarett+ 2 pre.... you think that pre am will be fine? without having to use a cloud lifter?

@CreativeGenius4L 4 года назад

After listening to the difference with no headphones and with Beyerdynamic headphones I personally don't hear a $150 difference. I currently have a Focusrite Scarlett Solo and don't think I need it due to the fact that I'll have more than enough gain with the microphone. The cloud lifter makes the sound seem a bit more "clean" but not as much as I originally thought it would. I'm going to go with the Cloudlifter not being an essential item for now and if need be I can get one later. Thanks for the video!

@rvs8465 3 года назад

Any update? I also have the Focusrite Solo and thinking about getting the sm7b, debating on cloudlifter too.

@CreativeGenius4L 3 года назад

@@rvs8465 I ended up getting another mic since i couldn't find the Shure SM7b anywhere. The results are still pretty good I have a few videos up on my page for an example if you'd like.

@KAYDXN 4 года назад

Could someone tell me if cloudlifter is Still needed if I use an Apollo twin mk11 interface. Thanks!

@sohialarayne 4 года назад

was just wondering the same thing! haha

@KAYDXN 4 года назад

sohiala nelson I hope someone sees this I need to know haha

@colinreese 3 года назад

I can’t figure out how to connect my Shure sm7b to my Canon EOS R. I have the mic connected to the CLoudlifter, which is connected to the Scarlett 2.0, which is connected to the computer. I have an XLR cable from the Scarlet 2.0 to the mic jack of my camera. It doesn’t record sound. Please advice.

@cre8ivecommerce Год назад

Do we need a cloudlifter with the F3? Or would it be suggestible?

@ritualsebelumtidur2816 4 года назад

Haloo... Do you have hissss noise at zoom h6 use headphone?

@TukeShark 3 года назад

Without sounds better for streaming etc.. I like how not loud it is

@tacanacy 4 года назад

I have a mic that I want to connect to one mixer and one interface simultaneously (but I'd use only one mixer or interface at the time), could the CL-2 work like a splitter?

@JavierMercedes 4 года назад

no it doesn't work like a splitter, you would need to get a dedicated splitter for that.

@lemonsnickers1 3 года назад

I'm wondering if you could please help me. So I just got this microphone and cloudlifter with the scarlett 2i2 audio interface. They say on the website that the cloudlifer needs phantom power to operate with condenser mics, is that also true with the Shure microphone? Because it's not working for me. The mic is connected to the cloudlifter, and the cloudlifter is connected to the audio interface. What am I doing wrong? Do I need a phantom power supply?

@0annaleigh 3 года назад

How much better is it with the cloudlifter or without the cloudlifter

@gyrlonfilm 2 года назад

I get terrible hissing from sm7b plugged into the cloud lifter and then the cloud lifter to the scarlet interface. I always have to go into audition and noise remove the loud hiss sound. very annoying. I may try without the cloud lifter and see what happens.

@seanwebb605 3 года назад

I loved my Zoom H4 but a friend convinced me to sell it to him (swap for items that I didn't really need or want) when I bought the H6. I sort of want to buy another H4 just so that I can have both.