Comparing the Old Town Sportsman Salty and 120 PDL

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In this video we compare the Old Town Sportsman Salty and 120 PDL.
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@danc4454 2 года назад

As someone who likes to over research when it comes to these bigger purchases, I really appreciate these videos man!

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Thanks for watching Dan.

@visuaviewer 11 месяцев назад

@@memyselfandi5760 me too man, just trying to pull the trigger on one of them.

@MrJump12k 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for all of your insightful and informative videos! I have just received my120 and am excited to get it in the water. I purchased it with the knowledge of how stable it is and that it is geared towards fishing. I have received much of what I have ordered from you guys and other sources. Am in the process of installing it all and am awaiting the rest of the stuff once you all are up and running again. I'll comment again once I've had a chance to hit the water. Again, thank you so much for your awesome videos!

@Transplantadventure 2 года назад

Nick, another great informative video, I have he sportsman 120 PDL. I do mostly river and lake fishing. I waiting to get the 120 over the 106. could not be happier. that extra storage up front was a plus for me. I actually store my wilderness cart up front and still has a ton of room up there.

@morganghetti 11 дней назад

The Salty is my favorite fishing kayak. Ive had several pedal kayaks and currently own the Salty and a Hobie Revo 13. I much prefer the front well vs a hatch i never use. I keep my cooler and cast net there. Super easy to get to. Its the fastest pedal kayak you can get and is extremely easy to maneuver. I can drift with the current and keep kayak pointed where I want with the rudder and very little pedal. Cockpit is laid out extremely well. Great build quality too. Ive used it for 3 years exclusively in saltwater. Ive run over hundreds of oysterbeds. Never had a single issue and very little corrosion. I think Old Town makes the best kayaks so you really cant go wrong with either.

@NavarreKayakFishing 11 дней назад

Thanks for the comment. I agree, Old Town produces a great product.

@doc8579 2 месяца назад

Very informative video. I haven’t had the problem of water in the front of the salty but glad you mentioned it. I use the salty in central NJ in both bay and ocean. I do keep an eye on tides, winds and wave heights. I make sure wave heights are 2’ or less. I was able to rig a fish finder on a battery box. An anchor trolley and a aft box with pole holders. I’m new to kayak fishing but haven’t had any issues. I’m 5’7” and 190lbs. The thinner and lighter salty may not be perfect fishing platform but it is more likely to be used because it’s easier to move around.

@ramiromendez2514 2 года назад

Love your channel. Very informative. No bias. I just bought the salty even after watching this video I have no regrets. Your point of view is so truthful and honest. Im glad you explained it the way you did. Im that guy who doesn’t get a lot of time on the water and like you said the salty will fit my needs perfectly. Thanks for this video

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Ramiro, thanks for watching and commenting. You will enjoy the Salty.

@DetroitFishigan 2 года назад

Good reviews and comparison Nick 🍻. Thanks

@the_forgotten_angler 2 года назад

I've got the Topwater 120 PDL and it fishes like a dream. So easy to access all my gear and can comfortably carry everything I need and then some. A year ago I was in Colorado researching EVERYTHING I could find about kayaks for fishing and NKF reviews and info were a huge help in making my final decision. I comped all of them and the Topwater won out for all of the reasons Nick mentions here. First thing I did was get a few of the must have inexpensive upgrades from NKF which turned my rig into the perfectly easy to use rig. Nick knows his shit and is a straight shooter gang, Listen and learn, he's got it dialed.

@tommyparker6187 2 года назад

I emailed u last night and this video answers all my questions, Thank you

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Thanks for watching, Tommy. I receive that question multiple times each week. Tough to answer via email sometimes.

@sethquirk5071 Год назад

Looking to upgrade my Ascend 12T and found this video very informative as the 120 PDL is on my short list. Thanks!

@NavarreKayakFishing Год назад

Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.

@waynetisue6828 2 года назад

I'm glad I got to demo the salty with you while you were still running charters. I've got a 2018 Predator and feel very comfortable standing to fish in it.

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

I remember the trip and the Predator was the right choice in my mind.

@drdriveone Год назад

Thanks Nick. As always I value your opinion in my thought process!!

@NavarreKayakFishing Год назад

Thanks, Donald.

@treverwagner 2 года назад

Another solid review and honest review. I appreciate the rambling and real videos. I am helping my son to decide which kayak to get. I love my 2019 predator PDL and am pushing him to an old town 120 sportsman pdl...hobie's are just still too expensive

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Hobie does have a crazy pricing system.

@GunDolfOutdoors 2 года назад

I have the 120 PDL and love it! I stand up fishing & fly fishing mountain lakes and it’s stable! No, I don’t have much wake to deal with.

@jakewkayakfishing8457 2 года назад

I picked up the Ocean Kayak version of the Salty a few years ago because I needed a cheap pedal drive after my first abdominal surgery and I found one for half price on craigslist. It got me on the water, but I soon found I wanted more storage, so it became my wife's kayak and it is ideal for that. I now also have an older Predator PDL and a new Sportsman 120 PDL. I use the Sportsman 120 most frequently because at 12' I can slide it in the back of my work van and close the doors, super secure and convenient if I want to do a quick stealth trip after work.

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

I had a Malibu as well - I enjoyed it. But I felt the same way.

@usseyhify 2 года назад

appreciate the honesty! I chose 120 pdl because of the width/stability, under deck storage for camp trips and i will go off shore from time to time. If i was just pond/lake fishing i wouldve considered the salty

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Thanks for watching the video and commenting, Justin.

@Seriocity2 2 года назад

I own the Salty and for me two of the bigger considerations when I purchased it was weight (I do have to cart it across 100 yards of sand for my usual spot) and having it be nimble. As for the front part, as Nick mentioned, I actually prefer the "open well" design as it is a great place to keep a kill bag or bait (easy to get to) - how many times on the water are you going to open the front hatch on the 120?). Having gear you don't mind getting wet up front also helps keep water out if you're going through surf/waves. And this I'm sure will sound silly, but by not having much internal storage, it forces me to not bring every piece of fishing crap I own... which at the end of the day I thank myself as I'm putting away my gear in my car and loading it on top. I do mostly ocean fishing (open ocean, not just harbors) and it has been stable enough for me, as I really don't want to battle the swells or wind when I fish anyway. In short, I'm happy with the Salty. Thanks for all your videos and company Nick, I appreciate everything NKF does.

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Dean, I'm glad the Salty is working out well for you. It's a plenty capable platform.

@wubbalubbadubx2 Год назад

I bought the Salty last summer and was thinking to put some weight in the bow to maybe minimize the hull slap (maybe a cooler/catch bag full of ice). Now I'm second guessing this for safety issues, although I never launch in any kind of surf. I'm also questioning whether a scupper-mounted transducer is a good idea for the same reason. Any thoughts?

@michaelpthompson31 2 года назад

Well you are the guy who could perhaps make a front storage hatch for the Salty just from buying your products I know you could make a solution brother and most of us would buy it!!

@jameseason9949 2 года назад

Owned a Salty for a bit. It was easy to get to the water, etc. A con offered by several who fish near our coast was that the banana shape causes the Salty to get blown around more. I experienced some of that, but typically didn't push the Salty on days with winds gusting over 15. Left those days for the BigWater

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Ya, we talked about the banana shape in detail in the past. The Bigwater is a much better option.

@ShenpaiWasTaken Год назад

I really like my salty pdl. Its light; so I can car top it easily and launch from parks and areas that take a bit to get into. Its fast so I can get to fishing grounds quickly (its sweaty work but I can stay around 5 mph for awhile), dodge boats in combat fisheries (something that happens a decent bit in wa) and go up small water features in rivers that others would have more difficulty. I also like that it is minimalistic; if needed I can still bring a few boxes of gear but like you said most of the time I just have a net, 2 poles and a small box of gear which I find is really nice.

@jdaturi 2 года назад

I love my 120 PDL for inshore situations, have surf launched quite a few times now and haven't had any issues cutting waves. It's a little slappy and you can get a little wet but you're kayak fishing aren't you. Either it's warm out and who cares or it's cold and you're wearing proper gear so it's a non-issue. It's also handled 3-4'+ waves without any issues, never once felt unstable. I have leaned over the side and pulled 40lb striped bass up onto my lap, stood up in waves to take a leak, turned-around while standing - stability is unreal. On flat water you can literally stand for hours if you want, move around, stand completely on one side, climb over the seat, it's not tipping. It goes about as fast as my buddy's Hobie Outback. Those two hull shapes are very similar. I think there's something going on around the socials that tells people if you're fishing salt then choose the Salty over the 120 PDL. Obviously the name isn't helping out there.

@Comptonater Год назад

The salty 120 is great, unsure if they make it smaller sized. I have taken it throughout tampa bay and the gulf. It handles chop 1-3ft really well. Haven't encountered any waves higher than that though. It's VERY stable and it's quick. It took me about 35 min to peddle from Howard Park to Anclote. With the mods that you suggest, it makes it even smoother and quicker. My only complaint is that I like to stand and fish and I wish there was more padding on the kayak. I have a tendency to stand towards the bow where there is no padding and it gets HOT. Then again, I am not a big guy and i do not need a lot of room.

@D2uned Год назад

I have had a Salty for a while now and I have it rigged for fishing and I like it a lot. But I like the sound of more stability you point out on the 120 because I have gone "swimming" once when I leaned over too far. Good thing it was shallow water and close to the shore. I think this will happen eventually to anyone who fishes from a kayak a lot. Lanyards are important for all your gear. I think a lot depends on where you fish. I fish freshwater in central Texas mostly "skinny" areas with submerged rocks and shallow moving water below dams. A lot of times I have to raise the pedal drive to avoid hitting rocks and the river bottom. The big advantage I see with the Salty is that it paddles very nicely especially when you use the rudder to keep on track. I don't think the 120 would work as well in this type of water and for paddling. I don't use a fish finder so I don't miss the gear well in front. All things considered, I'll keep my Salty for where I fish because it works better. If I lived near the coast it might be a different story.

@williamanderson7837 2 года назад

I have a 120. Been in a big water. Stability is top notch in my opinion….I went swimming in the big water. And keep rambling with no edits!!! I like the “real” approach

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Thanks for the feedback, William.

@adamdowning3892 2 года назад

Just took my Sportsman 120 PLD out of Navarre Beach on a Red Snapper trip, surf was rough one morning and I launched no issues, busted through the waves with water draining through the scupper holes as fast as it would come over the bow. I’m 6’4” 280, had a cooler fish bag of the front, and a milk crate with 3 rods on the back. No issues at all with the kayak but fishing was slow. Anyone that wants to make that trip I highly advise to get the fat sand tires for your cart, it was work getting the Yak from the beach to the truck with regular tires. Also all the after market parts that Nick sells preformed flawlessly!

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Oh man, truck to surf without beach tires isn't fun. I think its actually easier to drag it then use regular tires!!!

@billcoulter1984 2 года назад

Very well done! I would love to see a comparison like this between the 120 PDL and the big water PDL 😀

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

We can make that happen, Bill.

@TheMachoGabacho Год назад

Agreed. I’m in the market for a new kayak and I’m trying to decide between the various pdl models.

@mrb401 2 года назад

Another informative one Nick 👍🏻 Having been on both, I can see your argument. I do like the on the water “feel” over the 120, particularly on inshore waters. Old Town did the Salty a big disservice by not adding simple side pockets. But if its not a fishing kayak then the Lynx sure as hell is not lol. Hobie lists it as a fishing kayak, where its essentially a pedal driven SUP/board. Not saying I agree with them but yeah… I still think the BW132/Predator is King of pdl/prop-style driven yaks.

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

I agree. The Bigwater is the best all around platform in my mind for the fisheries I frequent.

@jameseason9949 2 года назад

Nick, do you have more detailed specs on the 120 PDL? I'm specifically looking for where the extra 1.5 feet on the 120 is delivered versus the 106. Is it all in the rear cargo area, or is the cockpit area a bit larger than the 106? I can't seem to find that on the Old Town site quickly. Thanks!

@yamilfil413 2 года назад

Blessings.. Your comparison, Nick, is very accurate. I have the 120 and it's a delight even my young son (14yrs) loves to go fishing with me in the back sitting on a milk create. It does not mean that the salty is bad if you only want to fish in the lake in calm waters even little waves is very good, not better than the 120 but a good option.

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Thanks for watching and commenting.

@barefootterry3785 Год назад

I have a Salty and a Bigwater. I’ve taken both on SF Bay and outside on the ocean (and freshwater lakes). For me I decide which to take based on the launch location, gear needed, and conditions on the water. The Salty is much lighter and easy to get to the water in most situations. I can’t speak for the 120PDL.

@jeremysoutooradventures4141 2 года назад

I recently purchased a sportsman pdl 120, my decision was made from watching your videos

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Thanks for watching the videos, Jeremy.

@jeremykenward3082 5 месяцев назад

I'm really appreciative of these comparisons between salty, pdl 120, and the big water. I was leaning toward the Salty, but Im not so sure now. Most of my fishing is on small flat lakes or from shore. I have a lightweight 10.5' that I love for that. Im near the Great Lakes and I really want something to jig/troll (simple long/flat lining) harbors for salmon, occasionally go outside the harbor on nice days, and be able to peddle up rivers efficiently and float back down to the launch. I also car top, so the lightness of the Salty has a lot of appeal. Im also a bit more minimalist so i dont need a ton of space. Im a little worried on the stability for fighting large fish in the salty, or just in general in the bigger water.

@NavarreKayakFishing 5 месяцев назад

They are all great kayaks. The car topping makes it a tough decision but you’re going to happy regardless. I would pick the one you think you can transport the easiest. You’ll use the kayak more if transporting it isn’t a burden.

@jeremykenward3082 5 месяцев назад

That's a great point thanks. Do you know much about how the PDL 120 does peddling upstream against river current? I'm imagining the design of the salty might do a lot better, but perhaps I'm way off on that

@NavarreKayakFishing 5 месяцев назад

The Salty will do better but if you’re not in a huge rush the 120 isn’t that much slower. You’ll notice a small difference but it’s not that important.

@jeremykenward3082 5 месяцев назад

Awesome info, thanks for taking the time for my questions

@NavarreKayakFishing 5 месяцев назад

Anytime.

@TCampbell1990 2 года назад

This should clear up a lot of questions for people.

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Thats the goal!

@shred5 10 месяцев назад

I would have liked to see the 120 Salty vs the Bigwater, although the comparison would be largely the same except they’re probably roughly the same speed.

@kurt53641 Год назад

I went from a liquid logic xp9 to a old town sportsman old 120. That is what happens when you have kids. And I bought a bunch of upgrades from you so my 7 year old can sit in it with me.

@NavarreKayakFishing Год назад

That’s awesome. I hope you enjoy it.

@BCFishingJournal 11 месяцев назад

Appreciate this video as I found it helpful. I'm located on Vancouver Island doing a lot of tidal fishing (trolling and bottom fishing) on my Salty. Your definition of "fishing kayak" doesn't seem to align with mine, as my definition requires a kayak that will support a downrigger and move through high winds and tidal currents and never need to stand up. With that sort of focus, would you still say the 120 PDL is the better fishing kayak? I realize my scenario is the outlier so the definition likely aligns more with the bass, soft water or inshore anglers out there.

@NavarreKayakFishing 11 месяцев назад

I would say the 120 PDL fits your needs better as well. It will support the downrigger much better then the Salty.

@BCFishingJournal 11 месяцев назад

@@NavarreKayakFishing thanks man, appreciate the response.

@Mike_The_Hog_A_Nator Год назад

Just picked up my 2 Salty's.. We've only had them in the Bays for all day trips twice. I'm 51yrs old & haven't exercised since high school & my legs aren't sore as expected. The PDL'S have some torque. They are Great PDL Kayaks. I did buy the Rudder Bolts & those help, so do the floating propeller nuts. Haven't had issues with those but the control handle? That round knob, top 1/2 broke off on me yesterday while paddling in shallow water. I'm about to Order the steering control from you. People that want to know Nick ships fast! I'm in TX. He's in Florida & I get my products within a week. Question- Where your Rudder Rope comes thru the back, it has black inserts & those look they are about to pop out on the bottom. Is this normal? The top part of the insert is fine, it's like the rope is pulling against it on the bottom

@NavarreKayakFishing Год назад

The black pieces are hull protectors they normally look terrible. If they are working I wouldn’t mess with them.

@manuelgomez4972 Год назад

Have you tried the Seastream Angler 120 PD? Seems similar to the Salty, wondering which one is better.

@NavarreKayakFishing Год назад

I have not.

@WilliamSmith-xb1fr Год назад

how does the drive system hold up to salt? do alot of inshore fishing and leaning towards the 120pdl

@NavarreKayakFishing Год назад

We only used them in Saltwater for years. We never sprayed them off and didn’t run into any issues for years. Spraying them off can only help.

@Swimmeroh13 2 года назад

Was deciding between the Salty and Sportsman and ended up buying the Salty last week. After watching this, I wish I went with the Sportsman. If only you posted this sooner... 🙃

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

The Salty is still a great kayak.

@kbem06 2 года назад

Don't be, salty is an awesome fishing kayak.

@earlybirdadventures8677 2 года назад

I loved my top water 120 but gave it to my dad when he retired and got the big water 132. Been loving it so far too little different. Quick question do you still like the big water or do you like something else been seeing you try many different kayaks lately? Also I am 6ft 4in 260lbs so I am a little limited on yaks I can use hahaha.

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

If I could only have one to fish from regularly it would be the Bigwater.

@earlybirdadventures8677 2 года назад

@@NavarreKayakFishing thanks I have been absolutely loving it but ally buddies have proanglers or outbacks and was just wondering you opinion. I like the pdl drive better.

@davidjones9259 2 года назад

Hay Nick what do you think of the Jackson Knarr

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

David, I haven't seen one in person to form an accurate opinion.

@josebarcenas9699 Год назад

I’m 6”0 300lbs , buying my first kayak would the sportsman 120 pdl be ok ?

@NavarreKayakFishing Год назад

Yes. That would be my recommendation.

@nonamecoats8123 Год назад

How’s does the sportsman’s 120 pdl paddle if you needed to paddle or bring it on a river?

@mastermouaable Год назад

Is the Sportsman PDL 106 good in the surf?

@NavarreKayakFishing Год назад

It will work but it’s not ideal.

@bigmax7830 2 года назад

Hay nick I am a big guy 6ft1 350 was wondering what would hold my weight better the sportsman 120pdl or the big water 132pdl I have been on the bigwater and with all the plugs removed I ride dry at my feet is the sportsman going to be the same ? Thanks

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Max, I’m not 100% positive on the weight situation. Here’s a video from JT on the 106PDL (he weighs about 330) if he can fish from the 106 then the 120 should be great - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wf89XRy3sHQ.html

@bigmax7830 2 года назад

Thanks for the response nick!

@edgars00789 2 года назад

Should I go for the 120 autopilot

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Edgar, the battery requirements and weight cause issues for some. There's a ton of pro's and con's to it.

@edgars00789 2 года назад

@@NavarreKayakFishing okay so I should go with the 120 pdl

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

They are both great kayaks I prefer to pedal then use the remote.

@edgars00789 2 года назад

@@NavarreKayakFishing yeah of everything that I've been watching I like both as well. I know that if I do get the PDL I might be getting some exercise for my legs

@jjsull8979 2 года назад

The salty is a fishing kayak. Its called “SPORTSMAN salty pdl 120”. If not why would it have a transducer mount? Read the description on Oldtowns website. Also the lack of dry storage is a blessing for coastal areas. Who wants to worry about getting water in the hull and having to bilge pump it. This could be incredibly dangerous when out in salty’ waters. Also technically you’re comparing apples to oranges in terms of stability u cant really compare secondary stability to primary stability. Two completely different vessels.

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

There’s always one sour apple in the bunch and the comment screams lack of experience but I’ll waste my time responding. As a person who has spent more time in a kayak in “salty”, coastal, offshore water then most internal storage access provides the fastest way to bilge a kayak. Water shouldn’t enter the hull - if it does it’s typically because of a crack around the seat or scupper holes. Comparing them and pointing out key differences allows inexperienced kayakers to consider things that they haven’t thought about yet.

@jjsull8979 2 года назад

@@NavarreKayakFishing hmm making a derogatory metaphor to someone with a differing opinion. Class act. Even going as far as to attack someone’s experience. Bravo.

@NavarreKayakFishing 2 года назад

Goodness - you point out things that make no sense then get called out and play the victim card. Very nice.