I think this video is the perfect reason that no one should build a compensator PC Because by the time the PC is built there's already newer or faster Hardware that has been released
I think if it fits your purpose and you like it and it plays everything you want for the coming years then it’s fine to spend 30k on it, hell I spent 15k on a DTR laptop and it’s still great. Guess I need to clarify since people don’t understand that people live differently than each other , but I’ve worked as a overseas contractor since 2016 in multiple high risk environments and having a desktop is not a reasonable thing to carry around so a DTR laptop is the next best thing. I grew in the early 90s as a tech enthusiast and built my first computer in 99/ 2000 and it was a k6-2 amd with a 128 rage from ati . Beyond that I went to school for electrical engineering and COT and I was been into the modding community so I like pushing the limits and once again a DTR laptop is the way to go for me . It’s a niche product and has a pretty long lifespan even though half the fake techies that follow Linus think hardware is outdated in a year lol top end or even mid grade hardware is good for atleast 8 to 10 yrs though certain things might not work as they should , most functionality will remain. So down to cost, well I’m fortunate enough to have a drive to get me to a place where I get paid very well so yea occasionally I spend a large mount on something I love or want . It’s not bragging if I just state the facts and why something is a reasonable purchase for me or many others.
If you want more expensive water, pick up deuterium oxide, a.k.a. heavy water. At $2000 per liter it's pretty pricey, but comes in high purity grades (so no minerals). It also has a higher heat capacity, so it actually improves the cooling.
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most of what they use in these videos in existing inventory they have, they would have to actually spend $1000s for heavy water which I doubt they would do as an accessory for a video. Maybe if it was it's own entire video
@@Obbliteration Well they do probably have most of the core components on hand to throw onto a standardized test bench. It wont factor in the potential differences in exotic cooling systems but could still be an interesting interesting video concept to illustrate how top end hardware ages relative to the mid-high end builds of the same generations. Maybe a sponsored video when Intel/AMD/Nvidia(or one of their board partners realistically) next launch a mid-high end component targeting the enthusiast gaming market. It's unlikely to have any shocking conclusions but considering that content featuring high end stuff typically performs better in terms of views, IMO it's never a bad idea for somebody like LTT to show its audience why going top of the line generally isn't the best call, assuming you're a normal person to whom $1-2k is already significant investment even for a primary hobby nevermind $4-5k. Nobody should be feeling FOMO for not doubling the price of a build for an extra 30% or 40% performance uplift, but it's an easy trap to fall into when for example; everybody still talks about the 1080, but not the 1070 which topped the steam hardware survey for like 5 or 6 years IIRC. The differences between the 1st and 3rd best today might seem big, but in a few generations time they will the 10th and 14th best and are likely to be upgraded in similar time frames anyway.
We went to a restaurant that, no kidding, had a water sommelier suggesting water that made good scotch look inexpensive. We also did not buy any of the silly water, but I did get some good scotch.
For the next Compensator build you should build two systems: one "most expensive" like this one and one no holes barred "most performance" and compare them, just to really drive home the point that more expensive doesn't mean better (not that it wasn't obvious already).
I think they should do that with this pc, just don't tear it down for a couple months and make another video with components that were available when they built this one but making use of their computer knowledge to build the best pc rather than the most expensive.
@@atticusrussell1225 Sorry, English isn't my first language, but that's what I wrote first, then thought "huh, that doesn't make any sense!" and changed it 🤣
@@bjrn-oskarrnning2740 I believe the phrase comes from fighting, where certain holds may be barred from competition as they may be too dangerous or not fit the form of the competition. Could be wrong on that, though. Hope this helps make the phrase easier to remember.
Not only that It can also introduce micro stutters - for no real benefit. Optimum tech has a great video where he puts 4k and 8k polling to the test, the objective differences in latency are extremely small and he could subjectively not tell a difference in game. Its an absolutely useless gimmick and you should not pay for it.
Since this is now the 4th compensator, would be cool to make all four compensator pc compete against each other! How performance have change since the first one, how much depreciation happen, out of all that money spent for peak performance how much you lost over the years! That’d be a fun watch 👍
@@dajaxx if the original parts aren’t available, doesn’t need to be the exact same thing then. There’s way to get around that. Although would not be as cool.
Yeah, I still remember when I had 2 9800Gx2s in a system. Barely worked worth a crap but the few games that Quad SLI did work in there was a nice performance boost. Plus it looks pretty badass.
Now it's the ML/AI builds that have multi GPU. Who knows? If running personal AI at home becomes common we may actually see people building their own 6 GPU home servers, similar to what TinyCorp is doing with the TinyBox - 6x AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX in one PC.
With AI being easily distributable and RAM hungry, multiple video cards generally work automagically. There are already AI mods for Skyrim. It's good to have a second card doing AI stuff anyway, or even a third.
I revisited this and I thoroughly enjoyed every time an Ad comes along. This is true sponsorship and how to sneak it in non-sneakily. "Now that I've been compensated, let's keep compensating" is such a good tip-of-the-hat to the money they're spending and getting. Great job.
They trolled so hard with the sparkling water and i really hope they were able to get everything cleaned out afterwards as thats alot of expensive stuff to just gum up with expensive garbage
@@BGraves it's sparkling mineral water you shouldn't be using mineral water in your system because it deposits all the minerals inside and causes issues.
They most likely tore the computer down right after the video, no point in leaving this much expensive hardware in a computer they aren’t going to use.
@@KetchupSaucesnot trying to be that guy but, because of the first principle of thermodynamics, you can't destroy energy (and so thermal energy as well) but only move it from an object to another. Basically you can't cool your room by keeping your fridge's door open because it will just keep moving heat from a place to another inside the room. The case by itself can't cool down your room, only heat up the rest of your room to cool down the inside of it. Unless you mean a room-sized case, in that circumstance yes, you would froze to death lol
Should've gotten Red Line Water Wetter. It's an additive for straight water cooling, used in performance cars, mostly drag cars. One bottle costs almost $14US, and treats 3-5 gallons of water. It would make using distilled water relatively safe.
@@FectacularSpail distilled water is 'hungry', and will bond and react with whatever it comes in contact with. This can lead to corrosion, electrolysis, and leeching. With dissimilar metals in a cooling loop it could cause reactions that will eventually damage fittings and cause leaks. That's why a lot of water cooling additives for PCs already exist. If you really want to ruin your loop, run pure deionized water in it.te
@@sireuchre whoa, that's the opposite of what I had assumed, but it makes sense. I've never messed with water cooling (yet), but good to know for future reference. Thanks.
@@FectacularSpail You want to start with a base of distilled water, and put in additives that keep the water from reacting or growing organic stuff. Plain water from the tap varies a lot, and many places will have mineral content that can cause issues with deposition. In car coolants, water is mixed with primarily a glycol, which keeps the hydrogen bonds 'busy' and alters the boiling and freezing points of the water, to increase efficiency.
@@sireuchre This. also I remember back a few years ago when water colling was starting to get around in sweden how some water cooler came or you could order water because the water in Sweden is so all over the place (its still good better then the US for the most part even in the worst part of sweden... drinking) but for gaming and that it could be really bad.
Quick word of advice: you should replace the fancy water with automotive waterless coolant, it's likely more expensive, and will probably work better and let the system last longer (assuming it doesn't murder acrylic and the tubing)
I'm a mechanic, the coolant we use would absolutely destroy acrylics and o'rings. We regularly have to replace industrial hoses and seals because they get eaten out after 2 years or so, if I was to take a guess regular PC tubing and seals would last a few months? Might be wrong
Just so you know, Gerolsteiner is a Water from Germany, its not as costly here. But everybody HATES it. Was very funny to see you guys putting it in this Build for 7!!!! Dollars.(we pay like 1.45 per Liter).
@@kennytheamazing Yes it is. Same thing with Evian & Perrier water (shipped in from France), Acqua Panna (Italy), and Fiji (shocking no one, comes from Fiji). It's why they cost so much here (yet are vastly cheaper in their source country).
Its because they built it Badly on purpose to highlight the stupidity of buying expensive parts expecting high performance. They didnt put the ssd in raid, overclocking badly drops performance, not using the whole quad channel RAM was stupid (clock speed is useless VS bandwidth) and so on.
I was hauling a 85” tv the other day and at 50kg it seemed so heavy but it’s actually all down to the size and shape of the object and the surface area with which you have to grip. I don’t think that rig would be too heavy to hold for a minute or two.
@sandmaster4444 all the friends who snickered at the misalignment of cost and use case and actual products along the way. Thats the true cost of a Mac. Okay that one didn't work that well....
I know Ugreen is the sponsor now, but I love my Jackery Explorer 1000. I'm a full-time paramedic student and I needed it to power my Starlink and tablet while working on a pipeline in the rockies. I also loved being able to continuously charge it with solar so I wouldn't have to idle my work for hours or bring it in every night to charge.
@@tiagoviana263 you can charge it on solar alone in a day, but I don't know how long it takes. I had the solar plugged in all day to prolong use because it wouldn't last me a full 12 hours. I had to plug it into the truck when I ran the AC and while driving in and out of site.
I couldn’t hear any insulation between the brass end cap and aluminum screwdriver body when Linus snapped it closed. Make sure the next prototype includes a thin recessed ring of Teflon or even rubber. It’ll help prevent rattles, will keep moisture out of the bit-holder and - most importantly - will prevent the inevitable galvanic corrosion that occurs when aluminum and brass come into contact with each other. 👍
25:24 One thing I've always hated about monitors are their stands, but I gotta say, for a monitor that big, I think that stand is probably the best stand I have seen, ever. It's flat and squared, allowing for perfect placement of things on top of it, so if it happens to be in the way of your keyboard it doesn't matter, as your keyboard easily goes on top of it with no issue, or if you want to place something on it, then that's also no problem.
@@cracknigr6065 it is designed to be used at 100cm from it with its 1000R, I use one for work replacing a 4x27 in monitor setup with FancyZones. No problems here after reducing the brightness significantly.
In my opinion this compensator build shouldn't be about the most expensive parts but rather about the best parts you can get no matter how much it costs.
Same, break the FPS, not the bank. Else all you have to do is go roll out old HEDT and because MBs are the big failure point long term, a new MB for that is stupid expensive. $1200 for the MB, $1000 (new price, but there are ones that are/where more) for the CPU. 5-6 gen old hardware and the performance is now meh.
Now make the cursed version. Same processor but with maximum degradation due to overvolting and via oxidation. 11x 8 TB HDDs. 1 GB DDR4-2133 and a one of the HDDs is entirely for the swap file. A window AC unit for cooling. The case is literally a refrigerator.
@@Sakura_Yuki_NCYou can probably do better since the processor isnt the best for gaming. A 7800X3D is much better especially in some games like Tarkov.. This is just consumerism tbh.. nobody would ever need this.
Whats crazy to me is I literally JUST bought a PC with the same CPU/GPU combo, and managed to get the whole package for about 3k. yet another reason why expensive isn't always the best idea.
Fun-fact: when you live in Gerolstein, the tap water is pretty much the same water they use to "make" Gerolsteiner. And Gerolsteiner is like 0,7€ a liter in Germany.
I love that case. Der8uer reviewed the first version of this case and it bombed cooling wise. Then the company sent him that version of the case that addressed all of his concerns about the first and it rocked cooling wise. It’s a German company and the case is manufactured in Germany 🇩🇪.
I can never guess LTT’s upload schedule now. It’s like a roll of the dice now when they upload. Doesn’t matter if it’s the middle of the night or in the middle of the day.
This one probably needed to get out prior to the embargo lift on Threadripper 7000 so that it's not a waste of a video (based on the comments at the beginning of this video). It's clear that this was shot even before Intel 14th gen was released.
If it is a true compensator, I believe you are obligated to purchase the newest and greatest thing (threadripper) when it comes out and everything required to upgrade to it.
7:50 - I still feel like the ideal setup for a PC Peltier (TEC) cooler is to run your loop: CPU > Radiator > Peltier cold-side (with it's own separate cooling loop and radiator for the hot-side) > CPU. That way the first radiator brings your coolant down closer to ambient, and then the Peltier cools it below ambient. The other advantage being that the Peltier never acts as an insulator and your system can still run even if it fails or can't keep up. Not sure what EK was thinking with this setup.
@@ErnieZee 1) Use a coolant that has a lower freezing point than water 2) Use a temperature control so the Peltier only turns on when needed. Sub-ambient ≠ sub-zero unless you're outside on a freezing day for some reason.
I have been theory crafting about a system with a big reservoir and multiple loops. 1. reservoir > cpu > radiator > reservoir 2. reservoir > gpu > radiator > reservoir 3. reservoir > peltier cold side > reservoir 4. radiator > peltier hot sidd > rafiator This way you never have the downsides of the limits and insulating effect of the peltier because it is basically a normal system. The peltier just cools your reservoir aditionally. only downside is you have to insulate all the tubes and the reservoir if you plan to cool below the dew point.
@@Enderplays12 For sure, if you throw strong enough TECs on it, you could make a setup like this work on any CPU, but it's still incredibly inefficient (on top of the inherent inefficiencies of TECs in general) and prone to unexpected failures. TECs have a limit to the amount of heat differential they can move (usually 20-40 degrees C), so the closer you can get a loop to ambient before introducing the TEC, the better sub-ambient cooling effect they will have. Without that, you start hitting thermal saturation points on the hot-side of the TECs and the they become a net-negative on performance.
I'm most baffled how Gerolsteiner costs so much in Canada (and why anyone would export water from Germany to Canada). Here you can get it for about 0,55€/L
I think a cool video idea would be to build the best PC for the cost of each component on this PC. Like build a computer for the cost of just the processor, the motherboard, PC case etc. So for the motherboard PC you would have 1200$ . It would be really cool to see how many PCs and what specs you could get out of them for the cost of each individual components.
I couldn't watch the video after 23:00. I mean come on, it must be working perfectly. Getting a coolant would be more expensive and would get better temperatures.
My first thought when they added the carbonated water was that the carbonic acid in it can be corrosive, depending on what materials it comes into contact with.
My brain is still in sleepy mode, but AFAIK carbonated water isn't acidic off the bat? It can become acidic depending on the material it touches, which I think most of the material in that system is PETG tubing and aluminum.
@@NarutoMagicCyclops all carbonated water naturally produces carbonic acid in small amounts. It's what gives sparkling water its horrible taste that some people seem to enjoy.
Doing a lan room build would be sick. to see what specs all get built into the systems, connecting everything together to work seamless, overall price, etc.
You can hook those Corsair LS100 RGB strips to a Corsair RGB controller like the commander instead of using the one that comes in the box, which requires you to connect it to the wall.
Clarification for the Gerolsteiner Water: This water is really not that expensive here in Germany, like 60 cent for a liter. So it's not the cheapest, but there are way more expensive options out there. The price of $7 CAD is most likely transatlantic shipping and markup for having european water.
Yeah. I was really confused when Linus pulled out the bottle. Like what's the big deal? I have like 5 boxes with 24 bottles each in my garage for about 40€ total. That's just normal water.
I was wondering why they didn't use a contact frame and mill the cpu like debauer says, would increase performance, but especially because it would add cost, since they were going for the most expensive.
Ok, the sparkling mineral water was silly, but otherwise, the system is really impressive. Kinda sad that such an expensive cooling setup is still outdone by more traditional water cooling, for half the price. Seems thermoelectric cooling tech just isn't there yet. Fun an interesting build, and very jealous of that monitor.
Oh it can Be !! No one here has seen what is Really is possible with Tecs! You can run them in Layered Stages,but nobody has done that here cause it would go Sub-Zero. Tecs take ALOT of Power to run ! They can be power Hogs if you want Large performance. They have very tiny ones too ! Why did you think Linus made that Hand gesture about anything BUT Gaming,cause it's hard to control Tecs,they like to be ON or OFF! Not in between or low voltage,they don't do $#!T ! They are Great at what they do,they're not energy efficient though.
That scared me so much when you were talking about having a team of "lackeys" I thought you started the word with a letter "B". I was shocked for a moment.
gerolsteiner is a german water brand and in germany it isnt even close to that expensive it still isnt cheap but the price is way more reasonable (its like 9,25$ for 12 bottles) the price probably comes from import cost just like with evian or other european water brands
Ik he said no exotic parts but the final ootane drives would've been so perfect for this. They are also so far ahead of the best nvme ssds I low queue depth random read bandwidth, iops and latency that youll commonly see 50-100% faster boot and load times. That's also the same reason it's so hard to notice the improvements of nvme ssds vs sata because they're progressing abysmally slow in these metrics.
Owning a P5800X 1.6TB would be a dream come true. Sadly, not gonna happen when it costs about the same as a D5-P5316 30.72TB SSD. That's quite the difference.
This Case has been reviewed by Debauer... At the time of his review, it under-performed so amazingly that the manufacturer stated they were going back to the drawing board and took it off the market for a bit... I hope we get another review on what I hope is model #2 now that it's gotten Linus attention... But buyer beware on the case.
This build needs a compensator killer, one or two systems that can outperform it for cheaper. Something like nas with 40 gig connection I think could be better and cheaper. And the x3d chip.
