Complementarianism: Essential or Expendable? (Panel I) 

I really like what the Pastor (idk his name) said around the 13:00 minute mark. As someone who grew up and lived an egalitarian, that’s a very refreshing perspective for me. I normally wouldn’t even be listening to this but I’m surprised how sound and non-sexist that was.

What did that guy mean when he said single women submit yourself to a future husband you don’t know? How can you do that?

John Piper at about 22 minutes proposed the question that egalitarians never answer but provided no answer himself. Neither did the following speaker say anything that Piper claimed the egalitarians say!

How then do you explain the position Phoebe held in the Bible? I would like to ask Paul this question also. Seems his instructions are not clear and have caused confusion. Scripture I understand is God inspired. So was this a typo, or meant in other verses as wife and not women? One thing for sure, the enemy has used this subject to delay the growth of the church in so many ways. And to define the position of a man or women is not difficult at all. Their service in ministry is just as purposeful as in a marriage.

How about inviting women to be in the panel?

I concur with some of what was said on this video, - however, I believe that the "Silence of Adam", and the "Innocence of Eve" are doctrines of Demons. The silence of Adam is designed to lend weight to the Innocence of Eve, which in turn is designed to bolster Eve's original desire to be like God and get something which was allegedly denied to her. I also, am not totally on board with the "Complimentary" concept because it lends weight to the idea of reciprocity. Woman was made for man not man for woman. They were not made equally for each other - They are not equally the glory of each other - They are not equally the head of each other. When God made Adam, the man in person, before Eve the woman, was made, - Adam was complete, - the image AND Glory OF God, but God said, "it was NOT GOOD that man should be alone". Man is not his own glory, and he is not his own head. Neither is the dust his head. - (just to cross that silly idea off). Neither is woman her own glory, nor her own head. Both man and woman are the glory of the one who is their head. The fact that we have to spell out the obvious highlights the dilemma we face with our carnal mindedness. I prefer to define my belief as "Divine Order" which includes the changes that God made after the first "Adam" (which includes Eve) took knowledge of Good and Evil. The changes to nature and woman's biology and relationship to man, were made by fiat of God. They didn't just happen as a nasty consequence of the fall. I believe God made those changes to institute a work dynamic and ensure that things would still work out in spite of the knowledge of good and evil. I also, believe that if women will not cover, Paul really meant what he said when he said their hair should be shorn off. Either woman was made for man or she wasn't. Either woman is the glory OF man , and man is the image and Glory OF God, - OR they are not. Either the head of woman is man, and the head of man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God, - OR they are not. We, (I include myself), are so beset by pride and ignorance while we try to cobble together our understanding of Divine Order, that we are all too ready to conjure up something that will pacify our fears and appetites, rather than find the truth that ministers to our greatest need of redemption. I believe the mistakes "we" are making is that we are not taking enough notice of the things of God which are clearly seen, - Romans 1:20. The EQUIVALENCY of men and women is explained in 1Cor 11, however, while man is the image and glory of God, that image is commonly diminished in our eyes because of many subtle lies and ignorance etc, yet at the same time women tend to outshine men on the "natural plain". Men are the image and glory of God - but where is God ? By comparison women are ever in our face. One of the main inferences of the account of the fall, is that if the serpent had approached Adam directly, he would have told him to buzz off. The other interesting question is why would God make the woman's desire inordinately toward the man and give the man a mandate to rule over the woman after they had knowledge of good and evil ? Also, why did both Jesus and Paul teach that men are better off being eunuchs if they can manage it ?

Ephesians 5 say to submit one to another then outlines what that means practically. It says nothing about authority or 'roles'.

I still haven't heard/found any specific examples of the women's roles in the Church through Complementarianismisafuzzywuzzy. I see that "it's" the way in scripture but need help practically applying it. Please help.

Just wondering.... why is there not any women on the panel? Because they are talking about how we are equal but have different roles and it’s not what people think about men being bullies... so why not have a women on the panel?

I find it very strange that there is no women included in this panel. How bizarre.

I have been studying this issue for hours, not because I don’t understand it, but because I need more ways to describe the logic of it to my best friend. She believes in God, but she’s hesitant to be an actual Christian, because she sees passages like this and thinks that Christianity promotes inequality. She simply doesn’t understand the difference between equality of value and difference in function. I really, really hope it’s not an issue that drives her away from God, because her mom has brought her up with a very feminist mindset, and she simply cannot understand why women cannot or should not do everything and anything that men do.

Wow so many comments from people biased by their own anger and agendas. Sad.

These guys really do enjoy the echo chamber!

Are they all blowing away gen.3:16 to please women rebellion against man authority ?? Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

I wonder how these men would feel if the roles were reversed?

These views may turn her away from Christianity! Sadly. The bible is a book about the patriarchy & no matter what sweet words you use to describe the role of women, they are regarded as less important than men. You cannot get away from that fact.

John Piper thinks egalitarians only quote Galatians 3:28 to support equality. Actually, egalitarians use the whole Bible to support equality and justice for all. Jesus came to give people life to the fullest (John 10:10), broke all curses, brought women to equality, racial hierarchy, social-economic justice. Women provided financially for Jesus (Luke 8:1-3, and no where does Luke describe men providing for him). Complementarians distort the Genesis story...Adam and Eve were equal, Eve was his "ezer"...ezer is used 16 times by God describing himself as an equal and ally (Where does my help / ezer come from? It comes from the Lord..., etc.) And, Piper claims that "head" can only mean "authority." He's blind..."Head" in the metaphorical sense means "source."

Egalitarianism is the way.

Gal 3:28 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Mat 22:28 Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Little children are male and female, but they do not marry. Except ye be converted, and become as this little child, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. _ Question, what does Paul mean by "in Christ, there is neither male nor female"? That is, practically what does he mean? Question, are we still male and female in the kingdom of heaven?

The bible does promote inequality .

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Do these guys even know Hebrew?

I am appalled by how the men can only see their worth in women who tend to serve their husbands and children. Then why does women have God given instincts to lead and transform. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that women are mentally incapable. Deborah lead the Israelites and the valiant men, reverenced her, and honored her, as they would any other prophet. Did God tell her to shut up, you're but a woman? No. And Phoebe's description of Deacon has been changed to servant. It's clear that the Bible has been meddled with. In Corinthians, the verses asking women to learn from their husbands, was added in later. The scholars have agreed upon that. And, it goes against what Jesus asked Mary to do.- Learn from Him directly! There seems to be a misinterpretation when Paul asks the men if they were the only ones who received the gospel. When Jesus was ascending to heaven, he told the women and men together to preach the gospel.