It was BARELY 180 degrees. They were agreeing with each other on around 80% of matters. Apart from some technicalities, as a whole they were pretty much united. Both only varied in perspective on SOME points. And none of the points were AGAINST islam. Both were completely agreeing on shariyah matters. However since everyone has the right to present their narrative, both of them did and had differences in some places..
they are like two flowers in a banquet, they have no opposing discussion , but approach is different ......that is the unique quality of Quran and Sun-nah ....... i think so ...
@ammarshaheen7539 would not agree with 180 degrees, but the aspect you noted about them being respectful is so true, mate. x feeling bad for our times
بہت ہی پیاری گفتگو مگر نہایت ادب کے ساتھ ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد رحمہ اللّٰہ علیہ کی جتنی بھی گفتگو کی غور کریں بات کو سمجھیں قرآن کریم کی تلاوت سے جواب دے رہے ہیں اللّٰہ پاک ڈاکٹر صاحب کی قبر مبارک پے کروڑوں رحمتیں نازل فرمائیں
دونوں علماء نے شائستہ طریقے سے اختلاف کے ساتھ مختلف معاملات پرعلمی گفتگو گی۔ بحیثیت مجموعی جاوید غامدی صاحب کے دلائل زیادہ موثر معلوم ہوئے۔ اللہ تعالیٰ ڈاکٹر اسرار صاحب کو جنت میں اعلی مقام عطا فرمائے اور غامدی صاحب کو لمبی صحت مند زندگی عطا فرمائے تاکہ مسلمان ان کی تبلیغ سے فائدہ اٹھا سکیں آمین
I love Dr Israr Ahmad Sab ,as he was a great Scholar of Islam.Dr sab provided the answers according to Quran and Hadith and under the circles of Islamic Laws.
Look at his arguments they are nowhere close to the Quraan and Sunnah. All his arguments were based upon emotions and were irrelevant and irrational. There's no place for these opinions in Quraan and the Sunnah. His opinion on the Implementation of Islamic Law on the citizens is so absurd and irrational. Things like Beard, Hijab and other personal things don't have anything to do with the State or Islamic Law. 2. Expansion of an Islamic State : Again Dr. Sb confuses the era of the Prophet SAW with today's era. Those verses were only limited to the people of that time and have nothing to do with the modern world. On one side Dr. Sb is cursing the US for their involvement in countries like Iraq, Syrian and Afghanistan but on the other hand he wants an Islamic State to do the same and expand its borders. 3. Treating non- Muslims as the 2nd Grade Citizens : Here also his arguments were totally emotional with no evidence from the Quraan and the Sunnah. This very well talks about his radical mindset which is the most important problem Muslims of today are facing.
@@ShalinaPytI would like to know the references from the Quran that mention whatever you're saying. Quranic verses were limited for the people of that time? I mean where is it mentioned in the Quran or hadith? Also, I don't believe Dr Sab mentioned anything regarding not giving basic rights to non-Muslims. Or degrading them... but still Kindly provide references based on the Quran and Sahih ahadith to support your argument. It seems you're very knowledgeable, so it would be greatly beneficial for me to benefit from your knowledge.
اس قدر علمی گفتگو کے درمیان اس فیمیل اینکر کے بچکانہ سوالات نے سارا مزا کرکرا کردیا۔ پروگرام کے پروڈیوسر کو سوچنا چاہیے تھا کہ جب دو پائے کے عالم دین بطور مہمان موجود ہیں تو میزبان بھی اسی ذہنی سطح کے ہونے چاہیے۔
@@saqh.4439 بھائی آپ نے پورا جملہ نہیں پڑھا میں نے کہا ہے جس طرح جس نے جیسے سمجھا ویسے بیان کردیا لیکن دونوں ہی بہت ہی اچھے دین کی سمجھ رکھنے والے ہیں ویسے آپ کو جو سمجھ آئی وہ لے لو باقی چھوڑ دو
Ghamdi sahabs thinking is very peaceful and non violent...both scholars are great having excellent knowledge but ghamdi sahab is following the peaceful way to spread Islam and knowledge of Islam while as other scholars are supporting violence ...
Haha seriously No preacher is allowed to preach anything against Quran and sunnah. Out deen is mukamal we dnt need any one to teach us anything from there own fallible mind
@@UmiKhawlah Assalam o Alaikum, Sister Muhaqaq (Researcher) interpret the Qur'an and the Hadith according to the events at which these revelations came to Hazrat Muhammad SAAW. No addition never accepted nor will be accepted.
No scholar is greater to another scholar, each scholar effects different audiences, audiences deciding who is the best scholar is just praising own thoughts!!
@@MS-Hussain , bahut jyada ho gaya . Israr sahab ne tafseer mein kaha tha ki haroof e miktaat ke mayne kisi ko nahin maloom siwa Allah aur uske rassol ke . Jabki saari tafseero mein kaha gaya hai ki Rasool Allah ko bhi mayne nahin pata tha . Ab kya kahoge inke ilm ko ?
@@abdulrashidkhan2196 brother you should watch their videos because they did not said that, or bhai ap ye keh rhy ho hy saari tafseero mein kaha gaya hai ki Rasool Allah ko bhi mayne nahin pata tha, bhai zara ja kar check har tafsser me ye nhi kha gya balky har kisi ki alag alag raiy thi , or agr kisi ki raiiy alag ho to bo bura nhi ho jata
True Islamic scholars in one video ❤️, no need to judge them even Sahab (R.A) had different opinions, it never reflects their negligence but difference in opinions....May Allah protect us from all the evils.
Nobody is against beard. But there are many scholars historically who do not consider it mandatory. You want to keep it then very good but dont force other or make it religion.
Best comment I read all day. Both very respectable to me. Both very close to my heart. May Allah bless dr Israr jannah and dr Ghamdi a long healthy life
ڈاکٹر اسرار صاحب ایک بہت اچھے عالم دین تھے، اللہ انھیں جنت نصیب کرے۔ جاوید احمد غامدی کی دلائل زیادہ واضح اور مضبوط ہیں اور ان کی عالمانہ سنجیدگی اور اعتدال پسند رویہ حد درجہ موثر اور پرکشش ہیں۔
What an inspirational debate from Ghamdi sb - amazing.. Allah pak Dr. Israr ki bakhshish karay.. Ghamdi sb was way to sound and logical but his respect towards Dr. Israr is worth looking at 👍
MashALLAH both are great scholars, there views and opinions were totally different from eachother but still they didn't raised voice or disrespected. What a graceful personalities God bless them both
Ghamdi sahab is saying every reference from Quran ...so logics doesn't matter infront of Quran ...first Quran is preferable instead of logics and stories
Dr. Israr Ahmed Saheb ko Allah Jannah ata kare. In this discussion, on the role of the state, Ghamidi Sb. mentions that the state can impose on its citizens only on matters related to Tawheed, Salah and Zakat. According, to Israr Sb. the state can impose instructions on other matters also and may even order killing of those who do not adhere to the ruling. We all know, that our prophet Muhammed (SAW), establshed the first Islamic state in Medina after which several wars were fought. We also know, several hypocrites refused to go to war with our prophet. Whether these people were ordered to be killed (beheaded) by our prophet, on their refusal to participate in the war? The Quran doesn't say so. To me the argument of Ghamidi Sb. seems to be correct.
Ghamdi sahb ka koi match ni, I have lots of respect for Dr Israr Ahmed sahb He was sincere with his understanding, but Dr israr has no grip on ahadees , He accepts many zaeef ahadees , Ghamidi sahb is far far genius than Dr Israr Ahmed
i accept that but there are some issues that i can't agree with Ghamdi sahab, i respect both of them but ghamdi sahab does not have much knowledge of quran , at some particular meaning of ayaats i think they are not true like parda in islam , there are also many thing , but you know everybody has its own point of views, i respect that you have a great love for ghamdi sahab
It is worth noting how peaceful and respectful both are. This is actual way of presenting your arguments without indulging into heated debates. Look at the cartoons these days in the Pakistani tv programs. They keep criticizing and interrupting each other while speaking.
اسلام اور جمہوریت دو الگ چیزیں ھیں۔ جمہوریت میں اکثریت کی رائے مانی جاتی ہے اور اسلام میں اگر ایک شخص بھی حق پر کھڑا ہوگا تو اسی کی مانی جائے گی اسی لیے اسلام اور جمہوریت میں بہت بڑا فرق ہے۔ حق پر وہی ہے جو اسلام میں قران اور سنت کی بات کرے گا۔
Masha Allah two gems of Muslim world, great scholars, even after their teachings nd efforts if we don't change us and become good Muslims, then its a tragic situation
Both are legends, and so Humbel . During the debate, both are saying I'm disagree with his vision. But they're not saying to other one is Kafir ........etc
What an intellectual and respective debate . Even tough they disagree with each other but no shouting no disgusted face and all things like that. They didn't insulted each other on personal metter... just phenomenal & First time listening javed ghambi this long. man also has some incredible knowledge & perception.. al
Allah ka hukam hai k deen qaim ho. Namaz deen nhe hai. Haan jabr nhe hai k ap kon sa mazhab akhtiyar krty hain. Har mazhab ki izzat hai. Lekin agar deen ko smjhna hai to khulafa e Rasheeden k dor hukomat ka mutala kren
@@Madi-ss9bc khilafat k mamlat huzor k dor me nhe balkay khulafa e Rasheeden k dor me aen hain. Huzoor ki zindagi ka mutala to wese hi krna chahye sirf khilafat k liye to nhe krna. Huzoor k bad jo mamlaat pesh ae hain un ki guidance khulfae Rashedeen se mile gi
آپ جو بھی ھیں،میں نہیں جانتا۔پر آپ نے جو کچھ لکھا ھے وہ سراسر غلط ہے ۔محترم غامدی صاحب کی گفتگو بھی دلائل پر مبنی ھے۔وہ بڑے ادب سے آرام سے اور بڑے مہذب طریق سے بات کرتے ھیں۔اسلئیے کسی کو دوسرے سے کم تر کہنا یہ درست نہیں ۔واسلام
Great debate, both the perspectives have their own individual input according to their own understanding. The most valuable input is ultimately the Quran and sunnah. The issues should be dealt according to the situation with respecting the full laws of the creator Allah subhan e Talah. Thanks, be blessed
@umermaqsood3486 yes seen it more than once. Ghamdi and his followers are full of kufr. Did u also see the chitrool done by qaiser ahmad raja and his team? Or still sleeping with shytan......
@@shehzadfazal224 When Ghamidi sahab says ' MERE NAZDEEK AISA NAHI HY.' He then starts to put forward the authentic sources too maybe you have forwarded the video at those timestamps
@@reshailraza514 haven’t forwarded after Mere Nazdeek and whatever he codedwas not related to the topic. Dr Israr sahab has said right after that it’s different topic don’t code that here.
dr israr sahab itna payara boltay hain ke inkay alfaaz dil mein jagah banaty hain. nahi aa sakta koi bhi dr israr jesa scholar na kabhi aaiyega. mere pasindad scholar hain jin ko sun dil razi aur rooh khush hoti hai
ماشااللہ بہت خوبصورت ڈیبیٹ بہت خوبصورت مہمان خوبصورت اختلاف ادب اور شائستگی کی بہترین مثال یعنی بس کمال ھی کمال اللہ پاک مولانا ڈاکٹر اسرار صاخب کو جنت الفردوس میں اعلی مقام عطا فرماے جناب غامدی صاخب کو صخت و تندرستی عطا فرماے اپنے اپنے دائرے میں دونوں خضرات دیں کے بہترین داعی ھیں
The point is simple as Dr.israr saab Said..koi qanoon Agr huga tu wo ALLAH PAK K HUKAM K MUTABIQ OR Quran pak K mutqbiq HUGA..jaisy HAMARY nabi pak(S.A.W) K ZAMANA MAI tha..simple
Gamdi sab sayinga again and again Dr sab said correct. well this topic is very complex and indeed Dr sab said 100% correct and gamdi sab also have some stand.
Excellent debate, I think some very good points were made my Mr Ghamdi, no disrespect to Dr Israr, may Allah elevate him to the highest ranks of jannah.
Ghamidi Saheb is sweet knife. His deceiving way of explaining victimize many uneducated and ignorant who want escape from original teachings of Deen Quran and Sunnah. Dr. israr is straight forward Truth speaker. Does not trap audience with deceiving and misleading interpretations, easily can be varied from Quran and Sunnah.
So its molvi will tell that u r miss leading the direction even with quran and sunnha..? Per dr. Saab ny to aghaz he is sy kia tha islam main papaiat nahi..
Doctor Israr sahab was not only logical but also presented textual backing for his arguments while Ghamdi sahab was mostly about his own thinking and softening image of islam with out much backing from devine texts...
Do you have complete confidence that you have watched this video, and you have listened with open eyes and ears? Javed Ghamdi has substantiated each of his points by referring to the Quran, and Dr. Israr has simply echoed the same traditional cleric-like actions. He discussed the foundation of an extremist regime based on what is emerging from the mainstream. Moreover, the final response of Ghamdi in this entire video is like a milestone, proving that he is not following the blind obedience of any individual's invented religion but is indeed discussing Islam, which is the religion of Creator of the universe and is a blessing for the whole world.
Screen explained ... I've watched this whole debate ... I suggest that you come out of your Ghamdi worship ... Many a times ghamdi sb was forced to concede his argument by dr. Israr ... I am not some deaf listener and I respect Mr. Ghamdi. (For example his stance on concept of Mehdi in Islam is quite convincing while on return of Jesus his Teacher Mr. Amin Ahsan islahi makes far more sense than him similarly I don't agree with dr. Israr's stance on certain issues) but here in this debate its quite evident to any neutral listener that Mr. Ghamdi was completely outscored by Dr. Israr. Mr. Ghamdi was not presenting arguments from Quran rather he is trying to restrict quranic argument only to times of Prophet a.s. while Dr. Israr explained that how quran is for all times and all generations.
@@syedmohammadashar6772 Let me tell you, this was the first debate where I watched Ghamidi sahab and which made me realize that Ghamidi is bigger scholar than Dr. Israr. Ghamidi sahab was coherent, eloquent and have logical while Dr. Israr sahab was expressive of his views but also just iterating what has already been in circulation of clerics, for example Dr Sahab was never able to contend when asked that Quaid's teachings in cabinet as well as UN's signed chartered his argument started shaking.
Mr. Raza you don't need to copy and paste your this comment every where on this thread... this not only creates doubt on varacity of what you claim but it also proves a desperate attempt of a andh bakht trying to inflate a punctured tyre. Dr. Israr clearly debunked Mr. Ghamdi's inaccurate claim about Quide's teachings and also that UN and its charter and current international political system is pretty much very recent in terms of historical context. suppose if tomorrow another world order succeeds current one then would you declare that one also to be successor of islam as well just because Mr. Ghamdi or another idol of yours would not want to offend proponents of that world order! ... Dr. Israr's insistence on the order established Prophet a.s. and the rightly guides Caliphs of Islam was way more logical and convincing ... even at one stage When Ghamdi sahab simply reiterated what dr. sahab was saying from the beginning ... Dr. israr said to the host k " YE AB AYE.N HAIN IDHAR" ... anyways instead of pasting the same comment as reply everywhere just read the comments of people under the post.... Clearly overwhelming Majority is convinced by Dr. Israr sahab's arguments.
