Comprimise-d? 

Yeah, Julian often says that the price should stay between him and the client, but I feel that if the price itself is such an integral part of the narrative, leaving it out becomes a little bit disingenuous.

Somebody with his skill set should be able to demand $50-$75 per hour in salary. Now wrap in the overhead and how long it takes to restore these paintings, and you're looking at probably a minimum order of $5k

@@jzzsxm5k for some of the stuff he does is not even a crazy price for some of the miraculous work he does, I honestly expected a greater price

@@JonnyRobbie Honestly it really doesn't, it influences desicions but its not important because hes doing the work anyways, and its probably for the best people would start to question his work related to the price not the actual work. Also people are way to judgmental and accuse julian of overpricing as many artists are subject to. Besides that work like this doesn't have a set price so knowing the price wouldn't help anyone figure out if its worth it because every painting is unique. Tldr: the price of his work is something that is entirely unnecessary to put out unless you're considering hiring him for work in that case they can talk to him and work it out

I actually think he should not share that. I’m sure the price is high, and I’m sure it would only motivate imposters to destroy more paintings for the money.

I'm always a little dissapointed when I don't see her for even a few frames :)

@@Kadarro85me too xxx

​@@jimfree0haha that took me awhile. Idkw but I find it amusing now

Me too!

I was thinking the same thing! We miss her.

@wildman2012 Yeah, that assessment feels about right.

Ohhhhh, that would make a lot of sense. I'm gonna take that as my headcanon for this one. Makes the client seem LESS of the unreasonable-demand type and more the tired "I'm doing what they asked, but I don't like them so I'm not going to go whole-hog" type.

okay yeah i was wondering what "having no time" meant. it's not like the painting is going anywhere...until you said this

Absolute facts. "I'm having a holiday party and it has to be back in my guest bathroom in time!"

I mean, he could have simply said "no" and move on to another painting/customer lol

If they pull up the conservation notes, the first line should be "I'm sorry about the plywood, I begged but the owner said I couldn't remove it, I'm upset about it too."

Maybe I missed the part where Julian offered to do the extra work of removing it from the plywood for free? I’m sure the owner would’ve gone along with that. Otherwise, this video actually veers toward the whiny in terms of the “compromises.” Julian himself points out it’s a painting of unknown provenance and subject matter, so can’t say I blame the owner for not going no-expense-spared on it.

@@ewm335 It’s not just peeling the plywood off like it’s a sticker off a banana & calling it a day, it would also likely entail the full hot table treatment for the painting, given the state of the paint & prior “repairs”. That’s assuming the plywood was glued on with a normal rabbit skin glue & not one of the more problematic modern non-conservation grade adhesives we’ve seen on previous episodes. It’s not economical or responsible as a business owner to offer that kind of service for free to any client, even one on a limited budget & timescale. Given how paintings are usually shipped to & from the studios, the client likely couldn’t have reasonably found another studio within their limited timeframe. I think working within those constraints was probably more generous than Julian would let on in any public discussion; having to rush a job always costs the business more than doing the job at a regular pace.

Putting a note, even a non-permanent one, would be super-unprofessional and petty. If an artist or craftsman is not at all comfortable with the limitations of any given job, the correct response is to decline the job. But also, why even care about the opinion that some potential future conservator will have if they form that opinion based on a lack of knowledge of the situation? If you can honestly say to yourself that you did the best you could based on the parameters that were given to you, that should really be all that counts.

@@Ajyiaa conservation record or “note” is as I understand it a standard part of the practice. It’s not attached to the painting, but it’s available. This saves future conservation time knowing what materials and techniques were used (everything’s reversible doesn’t help if future conservators don’t know what to reverse or how) or not used and of any difficult to determine issues that previous conservation uncovered. I don’t think it’d strictly be unprofessional to include elements of the professional assessment and work that was considered but wasn’t performed and why.

The entire video I’m sitting here like “DANNNNG”😂

My degree is in museum studies but I've begun making art as a hobby and after watching Julian I do my best to make my work archivally sound so that a conservator won't hate me in the future if my paintings ever need to be worked on. haha

Conservators rarely dig at the original artist. It's much more likely that shade will be thrown at poor re-touching or conserving. How the artist paints, their technique, style or processes are theirs and as such are the way it is meant to be. That is what makes it 'Art' and not a photocopy. Don't stress it is more likely they will comment on the 'Unique application style' and add value to the piece because of it! 🙂

Only an artist would think their technique matters to anyone else.

LMAOOO SAME

​@@jackthompson6296in sewing and woodworking I have the same issue of fussing over minor mistakes no-one else ever notices

Absolutely. And this is what compromise is about. With the best most result for the painting!

Absolutely. And this is what compromise is about. With the best most result for the painting!

You can say that again

It was explicitly stated.

@@podfixx3929 Right? Julian literally said this (well, the first part about the owners not conserving it at all).

That's a good point! Art conservation must give people longer time-frames of prediction - constantly seeing objects that are 100 or 200 or more years old, it must give a sense of trust over a huge historical legacy... Which immediately reveals my American status, cuz in Europe, they sneer at 400 year old castle renovations as "too recent" to resepct!

I thought it might be an art dealer for a quick turnaround and maximized profit. 😉

@@user-mv9tt4st9k I don’t think so. The basics were unknown to the individual- cleaning, varnish, brushwork… Couple that with the piece not having a signature (most likely cut off when the painting was resized and it doesn’t seem so. I can’t see a dealer trying to get a quick profit- maybe a novice or a hustler… but then Julian did the work. No hustler, no sleepy dealer but rather someone who needed to be educated and was strapped.

😂😂 Yes!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Good one. 👍🏾🇬🇧💙

It's like bringing a Pinto to a Bentley mechanic.

But where can you go to get a beautiful painting fixed when you have very limited money?

@@godschild6694yeah.. it’s funny that he keeps saying how the client wouldnt do this or that as if he couldn’t have agreed to do it for a reduced price in secret. he def makes more from youtube than from conserving

But why would he agree to do it for a reduced price? @@caitlinw8351

I would say, more of 1660 restoration period and even later

Looks more like a painting from 1690-1700. This big whigs came into fashion even for younger men after 1670. After 1700 they started to use white powder on the whigs. (Julian already has restored a painting from that time) The plain scarf around his neck also leads to the time. Earlier it was more in fashion to wear lace. The problem is, that the military commander in this portrait doesn't need to be English. He also could be French, Dutch, German... this fashion was popular throughout Europe at this time.

Right?! There's another channel I follow where the creator loves to thrift old art, and she gets quite excited when they're "dark and moody," but I'm looking at them like "they're just dirty!!!!" 😅

@@valarya drop the name of the creator pls

Man, because of this channel I developed taste for art. And now I even have opinions like: "Lee Krasner's pieces are more interesting than Pollock's." While two years ago I wouldn't be able to distinguish any of them from a generic wallpaper.

@@SwayTreeI think I’m following suit. It’s only been a few weeks for me, but .. wow.

my brain has a vague recollection that we've already had the "1000 staples" video 😝

@@SKY031 lol, I though it was only hundreds , but If you say we have seen the night of a thousand staples , I will take your word for it😆

The client sounds like a pain in the ass… I’m also sure they were unhappy with the work because it lost its feeling of being old when the old varnish was removed

​@@juliend5047Julian explained, right budget, unknown artist, unknown sitter. Not worthwhile to spend so much time and money

I don't blame the painting's owner, I am sure Julian's services are pricy for the expertise and quality of his work.

Agreed. As soon as the hair was more visible, I thought of Louis XIV.

I think that's an unfair statement. Some people will get a piece of artwork at a yard sale or flea market and they simply want it cleaned by someone who knows what they're doing. If they cannot afford more, wouldn't it be responsible to try to conserve what's there? Would you prefer that they clean it with a sponge at home because they cannot afford the full treatment? Even if the artwork is will executed, is it wise to spend a fortune on a piece that is not worth anything in the art market? It seems to me they are doing what they can.

I can see both sides of the issue. I understand Julian’s discomfort with doing a job to a standard that’s less than what he considers perfection, but the client may not be able to afford to do all that he may have desired, yet wants to do what he can to restore it.

@@nonehandle688 I don't necessarily disagree with you but I'd be kinda embarrassed if someone I knew told me 'Hey, I hear you were too poor to do a proper conservation on that new painting you bought'. And given how often the rich like to grandstand about their wealth, there's definitely a lot of burn in this video.

I was trying to count the amount of low key shade Julian cast in this video but I lost track. That’s one of the reasons a lot of us enjoy his videos actually. I would love to see/hear the conversation between Julian and the client where the client was trying to keep costs down while Julian was trying to preserve his professional and artistic integrity and also honoring the artist’s original vision. It was interesting to hear when Julian finally put his foot down and was uncompromising. 👍🏻

@@nonehandle688If they want less than the best they should go elsewhere for their fine art restoration. It’s as simple as that. There are plenty of hacks who will be happy to take their money for an inferior restoration.

You put it much more eloquently than I. My way of saying it would be making order from chaos and what a wonderful thing it is

Until the client watches the video..and future clients, it's bad for business to talk trash about a client for a 23 minute video the way he did.

@@sheHerTheyThemyes, i understand his fristration, but i can’t believe he spent the entire video talking about it! comes off very unprofessional, and i’m a years-long loyal fan of his. very odd.

@@BelleMichele99 right!!! I've watched for years ,looked forward to his videos and this was the first time I actually was put off by a video, I can't afford to have ANY of my artwork conserved and I have a painting and a Patrick Nagel, it took Julian to remind me I WILL NEVER be of a caliber to afford it,so i might as well stop dreaming about it.this was the most discouraging video from a art perspective he's ever shown,from a client perspective I'd look elsewhere..he made money off of every single view,he's making money off of every like on this video and he's making money off of every comment good or bad.. to talk sh!+ after making your point,to the point your subscribers COMMENT 😬😬not a good look.he went beyond compromise,he trashed a client and their financial perspective without knowing what they had going on..kindness and respect compassion matter..he did this behind a camera TO however many people will view it,without the clients EVER giving a chance to explain their perspective which when you hire a business and they agree to a price,you should not have to justify why you can only afford a certain amount..

@@sheHerTheyThem I don't feel it's as bad as you make it out to be. He simply explained a project where they had to make some compromises. Both Julian and the client made them. Explaining you both have different visions isn't "talking shit". t's a conversation, a journey and in the end they found a solution.

@@sheHerTheyThem Nothing presented in this video is trash talk. Its a calm and factual presentation about what he is doing, why he is doing it, and if possible, what he would rather do. Im pretty sure he had this exact same conversation about it with the client. I cant find any negative characteristics of the client, not a single stab at them. There is a budget, there is a time limit, and there are personal preferences, all presented straight up and with no malice. As a viewer i found this video very good as it explains what can be done on a small budget, it tells me what to expect, and what compromises is willing to be made. If the fact that he disagrees with some of the choices made and talking about it is "talking shit" then you seriously need to move out of your bubble and join the real world. Without disagreement, there cant be any learning.

Ugh 😅

LOL But we probably see less than 5% of the paintings sent to him.

They make round stretchers! Slightly more complicated, but still has keys

He's worked with a round painting on a stretcher before- in the videos titled "oh, brother"

N he knows how to throw shade while being professional- I love it

I hope the client reads comments and learns what a JERK they are.

Ikr. He hides so much work with 'I did some tests' and a huge amount of technique is put down to 'muscle memory'. I would be terrified if I had to do even half of the stuff he does!

I could see myself doing some of the cleaning grunt work, but what he does with retouching is so far beyond what I could imagine myself doing that it's like magic!

Funny enough I used what I learnt from another video to repair a new blank canvas before I painted on it.

I agree with you. My mom always says do what you can do until you can do better. At least the owner didn't want the work to continue in the sad state it was in.

That, and just because you have an art piece, however it was acquired, doesn't mean you have the cash to conserve it thoroughly. It's like having a $1500 vet bill on an animal you paid $150 for... sometimes choices have to be made.