Dr Shabir's view is the same as Muhammad Asad's, who categorically rejects the idea of abrogation. The biggest issue with abrogation is that there is not one single sahih ahadith which can be traced all the way back to the Prophet[saw] which claims any part of the Qur'aan has been abrogated. The Salafis clearly like to claim there are ahadith which prove verses of the Qur'aan have been abrogated, but they cannot be taken seriously. Other great Muslim scholars such as Abu Muslim al Isfahani have used verses of the Qur'aan to reject abrogation.
Well I think the abrogation or naskh between different verses is a concept that the scholars whose apparent job was to study the Qur'an in detail have brought forth and they find hundreds of such examples where a certain verse that is recited is abrogated by about certain verse that is also recited abd was revealed at a later time. The example of alcohol verse is one case. This is not necessarily the case since all such verses complement each other and often have different scenarios. What this discussion didn't mention much of was the type of abrogation where a verse is no longer recited but used to be recited and the Ashaab were aware of it most knowing that it was Devine intervention that resulted in its removal from the final copy. There are many authentic sahih ahadith that talk about such verses. Qur'an speaks of it also. I think Dr. Shabir should talk a little more on that. Don't think these narrations can be dismissed since there is a strong isnad and chain system behind these collections, nothing like this has been seen in history.
General understanding of the verse which says something like "we abrogate some AYAH with other one" does not simply mean we abrogate some VERSES with others - because AYAH actually means "SIGN" and can even mean "revelation". So, God "abrogated" some previous revelations (books, the Bible) with the revelation of the Qur'an. There is no abrogation in the Qur'an itself.
The verse in 16:101 is mistranslated. وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَٱللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّمَآ أَنتَ مُفْتَرٍۭ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ The word ءَايَةً doesn't mean verse, it means sign. Also the verse in chapter 2 verse 106 has been mistranslated. مَا نَنسَخْ مِنْ ءَايَةٍ أَوْ نُنسِهَا نَأْتِ بِخَيْرٍ مِّنْهَآ أَوْ مِثْلِهَآ ۗ أَلَمْ تَعْلَمْ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍ قَدِيرٌ The word نَنسَخْ doesn't mean to abrogate, it means to copy or transcribe. 106. We never نَنسَخْ (nansakh) a verse, nor cause it to be forgotten, unless We bring one better than it, or similar to it. Do you not know that God is capable of all things? nansakh means we copy.
Exactly. Quran never abrogates its own verses but for being the final edition of all scriptures, and for being Muhayman 5:48; Quran has abrogated outdated laws of previous scriptures, and this point becomes clear when we read verse 2:106 along with verses 2:105, 5:48, and we take whole Quran as background context of these three verses. Some Jaahil oldi Imams have made many mistakes, and then generation to generation, people followed those Imams blindly despite Quran forbids blind-following repeatedly 8:22, 7:179, 2:170, 5:104, 33:67, 31:21, 17:36 .
@GameSlack We all are Humans, not Angels, so we are not infallibles. Even Prophet Moses PBUH killed a Person by mistake, and then asked Allah Azza wa Jal, forgiveness. Better and worse are comparative terms. When we compare discourses of Dr. Shabir Ally with speeches of Mullahs, and other many Pseudo PhD Scholars; clearly, approach of Dr. Shabir Ally is much more *rational* comparatively. He is Bold and Honest. And in our heart, is great respect for Dr. Shabir Ally. May Allah Al-Mujeeb grant him a long life with an excellent health. Scholars like him are an Asset of Ummah
I don't understand why verses about Alcohol would cancel out each other. One define quality of alcohol which are mostly bad, one prohibit muslims to drink it, one prohibit muslims to do prayer if they happen to be drunk. What's complicated about it? I agree with Dr. Shabir
Wonderful series , helped clear some confusion regarding rogation. My only complain is "it's too short ", wish it were longer and more elaborate wd examples in every episode to understand it better.
*Good Job Dr. Shabir Ally. May Allah Azza wa Jal reward you in abundance. Truth is: some oldi Ignorant Imams has committed an heinous crime against Quran by inventing this the Greatest Lie against Quran so called Abrogation. Truth is: Quran never abrogates its own verses but for, being the final edition of all Scriptures, and for being Muhayman **5:48**; Quran has abrogated outdated laws of previous scriptures, and this point becomes very clear if verse 2:106 is read along with Quranic verses 2:105, **5:48**.* We have published a special page on this subject already. Many scholars for example: Dhahaak said: in that verse, meaning of Sukara is not drunk.
The verse in 16:101 is mistranslated. وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَٱللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّمَآ أَنتَ مُفْتَرٍۭ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ The word ءَايَةً doesn't mean verse, it means sign. Also the verse in chapter 2 verse 106 has been mistranslated. مَا نَنسَخْ مِنْ ءَايَةٍ أَوْ نُنسِهَا نَأْتِ بِخَيْرٍ مِّنْهَآ أَوْ مِثْلِهَآ ۗ أَلَمْ تَعْلَمْ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍ قَدِيرٌ The word نَنسَخْ doesn't mean to abrogate, it means to copy or transcribe. 106. We never نَنسَخْ (nansakh) a verse, nor cause it to be forgotten, unless We bring one better than it, or similar to it. Do you not know that God is capable of all things? nansakh means we copy.
Dr Shabir will need a chiropractor after this explanation. Sorry but this does nothing to explain abrogation. Yes the alcohol example can be used but there are many verses that cannot be reconciled in this way. So if you use the alcohol example to explain abrogation you cannot use that method (ie all the verses are right) to explain the irreconcilable verses.
Dr Ally, I didn’t realize until recently that you’ve been debating and talking on the subject of religion for a very long time. At this point, I think you need to once again study the gospels with humility, with the intention to understand it. I think it will be refreshing for you to, for once study the gospels without the pressure of arguing against what it says. Rather, learn it from the perspective of a student, a child.
@@ak-t7d6f because his opinion on this issue is against ijma (consensus) of ummah which is hujat (authority) in Islam. Furthermore he has relied too much on non Muslim scholars like John Burton. However Muslim scholars on Quranic exegesis are lot more trustworthy
@@ayyazzafar295 Makes sense. But Muslims scholars on Quranic exegesis? Do you mean classical Quran tafsirs? Because there are modern people who write Quran tafsirs today.
