No strong-backs, no visible release oil on most of the forms, no vibrator and dropping the concrete too far. Staggering around on top of the forms is a accident waiting to happen. People call them construction "accidents", these people are working hard to make that happen.
It's called 'hack construction'. The sad part is any competent contractor would be embarrassed to show that publicly - this guy thinks it's quality work. Go figure.
Absolute lunacy pouring those walls with out vibrating ! Especially those 8 footers! they will sure have surprises when those forms come down. These guys would not work for me.
No vibrator? You haven’t lived till you’ve poured a 40 story elevator shaft, but we vibrate the hell out of it. Concrete videos better than the news,lol. Good luck guys from Colorado.
Nu B when pouring foundations, i you know how to pour, and have the right mix 160-165 slump, you dont need a vibrator. Pouring grade beams are different
mohammad khalid No, that is definitely not self consolidating concrete. SCC pours into place like concrete that has way too much water. These clowns have no idea what they are doing.
A pencil vibrator would be nice but I did notice that they were tapping the forms with hammers. That’s a good start. I’ve delivered concrete to a lot of jobs and based on some of the clowns insisting on pouring at a 165 slump I would say these guys are doing alright. Some of the smoothest operators I saw could do a good job at 100mm or less.
we use a nail shooter to nail a 2by 4 at the bottom of the wall this way you have a whaler. so you put a snap tie with it. having to purchase those little brackets adds up.
why arent guys usiing that black shielded wallboard 3/4 sheets in the usa ??? anyone or am i missing something , not shure what brand manufacture er is ? awesome work execution
After many years of doing concrete forming I do not see why they aren't using advanced forms they make the foundation or should say forms go up very quickly and stripping is twice as fast as for using a vibrator pouring that wall using the pump truck alleviates a lot of the air and honeycomb that occurs in the wall but yes a vibrator is wise to use
P.S. These walls will obviously have a top and bottom plate. Studs, 16" on center with run vertically, unless you think it'd be more advisable to run them horizontal as i am cutting my old walls(8'x8') in half. Thanks again.
It's great that you're taking on the project of cutting your old walls in half! Vertical studs at 16" on center is the traditional way to go, but running them horizontally can provide some interesting design options. Good luck with your renovation!
I’d strong back the tall wall every 4’ oc and 8’ oc for the rest of the walls. I would use turn buckles with 4”X 4”s to brace the walls.. Bomb proof it..! That way you can sleep at nite…
Well there is a lot to be said . Looks good at the end but guys please don't try and convince me that drilling and epoxy your stubs is easier than laying rod on layout.You got lucky. I do like that system. If you don't want to buy Simon's or advanced forms . You should have added more bracing especially at the he outside corn s . At least you can use the play wood for something else.
Ron Hart, I could talk for days about the pros and cons of cinder block, ICF, and traditional formed concrete walls. Each of those systems has their place in different applications But having torn down a lot of old homes and cabins I would avoid cinder block at all cost as it deteriorates very quickly.
I pour concrete pools just like these guys, minus the pump truck hose, 4 foot walls but we never vibrate either, just hammer checking, shame we cant see finished.
@@EssentialMountainHomesteading oh awesome! Well, great job then, props to that dude on the wall, them hoses arent very easy to hold onto. And man oh man...the clean up on that pour omg...all those clamps..lmao proud of you guys !
Huh, we've always poured walls in 1 or 2 foot lifts. Have never just filled forms from top to bottom first. And have never not vibrated each lift. Guy should put a v belt from a car around hose for better handling. Also who the hell left there work truck in the way of the pump?
With that system (and strongbacks as well, but also with vibrators) We've done 30 foot pours in roughly 8 foot lifts. It is surprisingly strong. We did almost have an error once with zypex additives making it retain a high slump for a longer than usual time. There was 20-24 feet of liquid concrete in the wall at the point of near failure. We lost one tie, and the whole thing looked like a fat woman trying on spandex.
A wall formed with strong ties like that can easily be done in one lift. If it had been I would have done one lift level (or a little higher) than the drops in the wall to allow it to set a little before coming back to it.
I hauled concrete for 7 years. I wouldn’t call that dry. The use of pumps allows for concrete to be placed a lot stiffer than the days where we did two corner chute pours. Place it stiff and consolidate with a vibrator.
@@jamesharder5643 see that doesn't make any sense to me. When we use a pump they usually don't want it any dryer than a 6-in slump. Otherwise it will ball up in the pipes and clog all pour.
@@christopherlehman626 I don't want to seem like I've done everything and know it all...BUT...I've run a concrete pump as well - and an old one at that. I wouldn't have hesitated to pump a 4" slump with it provided it was a good mix design. There were a few redi-mix operators that supplied harsh mixes that were not easy to pump but I don't know if a looser mix really helped all that much. Now with new pump designs pumping a 3'-4" should not be too difficult as long as it's a pumpable mix design. Some outfits run lower sand content and crushed stone. That has always been hard to send through pipes. You need a nice slurry that lubricates the pipe. Every pump I've observed also had a vibrator on the grate to help move stiff concrete through.
@@jamesharder5643 we use aluminum forms. With basic 2 inch ties. Sometimes when it's hotter than heck we pour trucks off at a 7 in slump and fill it to the top with no hesitation. I do it everyday.
As long is it takes using this system I don't understand how you can make money. My 5 man crew using advance panels would set up and pour this in a day and be out the next stripped and cleaned up before 10. Don't believe me look into advance concrete forms by far the fastest and user friendly.
Essential Mountain Homesteading i was thinkin same thing our crew at Eliis is 3 seasoned guys we woulda set an pour footers 1st day stripped footwrs an built an poured walls 2nd day an 3rd an final day stripped walls an cleaned up
My Grandson is doing a project on building foundations with concrete, can you tell me approx. how many days from breaking ground and to the final slab pour (finished) and approx. how many men were working on this site....an example he needs would be like 14 working days/x5 men etc...Thanks.
Lmao tgats craziness three good guys could do that in a fay with advanced or dura forms this system is old and dumb, a good 3 man crew could build and pour in one day and strip the next day using advanced forms these guys have no idea what is going on, an 8ft wall no vibrator?? How where the honey combs espically on corners? A little investment of 50 or 60 grand will say you 100s of thoisands of dollars over a few years
At 7:08 there are 2 Land rover Defenders and a Rainbow. After seeing that, there was nothing you guys could do that I would not endorse. I learned to drive with a Defender in 1966. Long live the "Defender" ... the Queen, a different story.
Probably well meaning guys but there work shows they are neither safe or efficient. Lots of short cuts on the forms. Very unsafe! Standing on the walers, improper vibrating, no safe scaffolding to work safely from, talking about tablesaws and fishing when their minds should be on the pour! Concrete is meant to be poured in lifts, not stick the hose in and fill until topped off, Messy worksite (unnecessary trip hazards). Etc, etc, etc. Lots of amateur and know it all types!
Foreman/Crew Chief should face chargers for this type of stupidity. Working platform inside the forms would cost little. Build it into the price for the client.
There is not enough minimal reinforcement. There should be two layers. One from one side and one from opposing side. There should be at least one fi12cm rod on every 40cm. What is more I dont know how they plann water insulation but those distances which holds the wooden sheets(foundation - wall connection) will be quite problematic to cover with any kind of insulation. They should be cut before cover with anything. AND THOSE GUYS IN 6:00 POURING CONCRETE THEY WOULD BE KICKED FROM WORK BY ME. If anything happens to them civil engineer goes to jail.
,Rube Goldberg at its finest. Job is wasteful, dangerous, and it's obvious that no one understands the proper way to get concrete into the forms. What a waste!
How does it looks like in USA, from law side? In Poland such an "work" have to be "accepted" by licensed civil engineer and later "accepted" by clerk in "Building Department". So mainly renforcement and forms are checked by engineers.
