I would prefer you call it " East Asian culture sphere. Calling Vietnam is a part of Sinosphere makes us sound like China's subordinate. Which can anger a lot of Vietnamese, our nationalism and patriotism is strong...very.
@@MrBoliao98 yes, because we don't discriminate Chinese or anything. We just don't want to be called in sphere of influence of China. Our patriotism is strong....even if it is blind one. Yes, you can speak Chinese in my nation, but you should try avoid to say anything that looks like Vietnam belongs to anything with China.
as a Chinese who grew up in a province where Confucianism is rooted very deeply in our family, I have to say I don’t really think it’s 100% correct and I try to only take the good teachings from it, like been respectful and loving etc but at the same time it promotes things like elderly have the absolute authority over you and you should listen to them no matter what, otherwise you are just been disrespectful, you could see how this could lead to some abusive situations where some elderly use this to control your life. So yeah, nowadays I try to think about what I read before I put them into practice, don’t just read, think.
The abuse of elder-rank is an abuse. In Confucian writings, you can clearly see that it wasn't meant to be complete subservience to elders. There was supposed to be a two-way give-and-take. The younger should respect the elder, but the elder has responsibilities to the younger. So just like how the Mandate of Heaven gives people a right to overthrow the emperor if he's not a good emperor, so too does it give the right for the younger to push back on abusive elders.
The most impressive thing about Confucianism is that so many emperors tried to eradicate Confucianism and killed nearly all Confucianists and burned all Confucianism books.But some years later,Confucianism came again and became much stronger.
@@lilac1204 I dont know about Christianity.But Confucianism was both welcome and hated by emperors in ChinaThere was a weird cooperation between Confucianism and fuderal rulers. Almost all servents in ancient China are Confucianists since Han Dynasty.And a good emperor have to listen to their servents' idea.So an ideal situation was that people stayed in their land and show their loyalty to emperor while emperor do as what their servents said like a puppy and be kind to their people.So they could rule China for thousands of years.Confucianism could restrain people and emperor.If you want a war?No way,beacause our Confucian had said that it is not ok to move people from their home and leave field without people to plow. So acually Confucianism is a buffer between rulers and people.People could use Confucianism to take a seat in state council and rulers could strengthen their rule with Confucianism.But if you want to build a direct bridge between ruler and people or you are an aggressive and revolutionary emperor,you will hate Confucianism.Because Confucianism dont like change and revolution.You should do what our ancestors did. Confucianism was a chain,restrained all Chinese and China's rulers to a fixed life style.But it also built a mental shield to protect us from foreign idea's invasion.It was so convienient that even those invaders adapted to Confucianism automaticlly and be a part of China.
@@大魔王-f9j Chinese Dynasty was always changing, because the Imperial family were always replaced. But in Japan, the imperial family survived till the modern day and they're still around. There was a unique system in Japanese history: the Shogunate.
Only in the Qin Dynasty did Emperor Qin Shi Huang did this because at that time Qin used Legalism as the philosophy of state rule. In the dynasties that followed, the emperors regarded Confucianism as the philosophy of state rule。
My favorite videos in this channel are the videos like this one that talk about different asian philosophies and also how it evolves in different countries. Makes you feel how culture in general have a great impact in molding and evolving nations around the world in the past and will continue to do so in the future. I have this theory of mine that "old ideas" don't go extinct because they are obsolete. They get adapted into modern thinking and becomes a new idea, all different but similar in the various countries they get adapted into. And yes, this also includes countries in the west. Humanity's greatest attribute is its diversity after all.
It should be noted that in Vietnam women had better position in a Confucius system is because Vietnam has a long history of a decaying but never fully dead matriarchy. Namely, women were involved in working just as much as men, there was almost no set gender role. A few Western traveller during the colonial period observed that Vietnamese people “disrespected” their women by letting them work the same task as the men like farming, raising barns, building houses. Confucianism wasn’t that popular amongst the larger population and usually were upheld as ceremonies rather than the norms, and the farther from the ruling class and nobility, the weaker its influence over people’s life, who preferred more native, traditional way of living and thinking. Vietnam is perhaps one of the few places where the early history’s matriarchy can still be felt during modern time.
Phụ nữ Việt Nam tham gia vào quá trình lao động như đàn ông nên phụ nữ Việt Nam được coi trọng hơn phụ nữ ở các nước khác. Logic gì vậy? 😂 Tôi cũng muốn dựa vào người đàn ông của mình và không cần lao động.
Amazing thank you for sharing this history with us. I am ABC and my grandfather always said "use logic" so I think Confucianism is very embedded in our roots.
During the feudal period, Confucianism gradually became a tool for emperors and nobles to rule the people, and many Confucianism were artificially changed. Modernization has saved Confucianism.
@@sgcl10658 But then they find confucianism is very useful for them. They change confuciasm from caring and duty to only duty and emperors later can do everything but their people should unconditionally obey them.
Let me note that the Lê dynasty of Vietnam lasted from 1428 to 1789, not 1392-1897. Otherwise, thank you so much for making such a high qualified video.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! This video proved to be more useful to the spread of Confucianism than the other documents I searched up on Google. This video saved me from becoming clueless for a project.
Fascinating video as usual, with a beautifully-accented narration. Still can't quite figure out the national/ethnic/linguistic background of the narrator who seems to have proficiency in all major East Asian languages.
Speaking as a Westerner, Confucius always read to me like a shining beacon of human decency in a culture with a long history of draconian figures. Also, the advocation that women deserve a good, comprehensive education, that they should not be forbidden to learn the use of weapons, and that knowledgeable and capable women made for a better society all seem to me like _radically_ progressive ideas for a man in a culture where a woman was considered subservient to even her adult sons.
Just found this channel, excellent production value and art style! Although some of Confucianism's rigid relationship structures are dated for the modern world, the basic humanistic principles of benevolence and self cultivation are good. Any ideology taken to the extreme is detrimental but I think Confucianism definitely still has a place in modern world and can continue to evolve with it.
As someone living in the USA today, we desperately need a reformulation of Confucianism for modern times. Life here is total chaos, and there is a shortage of sanity. Everything is falling apart because people are not decent to each other, and follow a "do what you feel" ethos rather than duty and responsibility to others. As the US moves toward political violence and factionalism because no one respects the nation's institutions anymore, we ought to remember that America's Founding Fathers looked to Confucius, as they had an English translation of the Analects, and found it important in their efforts to turn away from the flaws of European aristocratic systems. James Madison displayed a portrait of Confucius in the White House.
@michigandersea3485 thanks for the info. I never knew confucius was carved and portrayed on the east partico of US Supreme Court building and has so much influence on the founding fathers of America.
@@littlefishbigmountain A weeb and a weaboo is technically different now. Weaboo is still more or less a insult where as weeb have been adapted as a general terminology for people who watch anime/read manga semi-often
@@spookyengie735 I agree with what you’re saying, but you’re missing a key point here I was just making a stupid joke that most ppl probably wouldn’t even find funny (it’d tickle some tho, just a bit)
I am Japanese. I happened to find it, so let me comment. I'm using Google Translate, so I'm sorry if it doesn't get through. First of all, thank you for your interest in Japan, regardless of historical facts. On top of that, why not stop with "Original" or "Weeaboos"? That's what Japanese otaku must be! Isn't it? Apart from that, if you hate it, you don't hate it, and if you like it, you like it and welcome it. We Japanese don't contend for that! I think. The US rash should be like this! Isn't it? We must have learned through two world wars that malicious definitions create prejudice and discrimination. How much heat can be generated and gathered with disastrous results. Isn't the number of discriminatory terms increasing at this rate?
This explains a lot. Thamls! It explains- why the Confucian heritage societies have done the best in the world in adapting to modernization and westernization. Confucianism -- and its real name, the "scholar" school, -- was probably more compatible than any other non-Western philosophy or religion with Western learning and with Western empiricism and science. Particularly the rationalist sub-school of Confucianism would have been highly compatible with westernism. It was always available as an option for Confucian-heritage societies; its revival and adoption in Korea and Japan, in the early period of Western influence and intrusions, may explain why they have done relatively better with modernization democracy. At the same time, as you say, the popular revival of the "heart" school in Japan for a time fed into Japanese nationalism and the period of conflict with the West. Has the rationalist school regained predominance in Japan since 1945?
I've come to the conclusion that Confucianism indirectly contributed to the palace intrigues that confounded several later dynasties. The problem appears to be the palace eunuchs. My understanding is that they were essentially volunteers, under the assumption that - without the ability to start families they would be selfless administrators, yet clearly this was not the case. Scheming eunuchs have been at the heart of corrupt intrigues, the An-Lushan rebellion comes to mind, as an example - dooming the Tang dynasty. The very fact that the highest positions in the palace required a man to be a eunuch ensured they would embody the ruthless ambition they were supposed to eschew. If a man would go through that... for power in the palace... yikes. The problem of scheming eunuchs could have been 'neutered' if a selection of older, responsible women could have been trained as palace administrators, less likely to have the same degree of ambition, and no threat to the Emperor's harem. But this was apparently unthinkable, because classical Confucianism would relegate these women to home life exclusively.
Could of gotten around it by framing it as the nation as a family household, as women were task with keeping internal household affairs in check. It's not like it's a foreign concept to confucianism, to make society a family of sorts with the imperial court being the father and mother.
@@ANTSEMUT1 yeah, if it happened gradually, with the proper framing, that might have limited the Confucian outcry. But I suppose the mindset that forbade it also made it impossible for court officials to think of it.
A fantastic video showing just how dynamic Confucianism has been and how it would have become irrelevant hadcit not, knowingly or otherwise, been influenced by Taoism(thank you Meng-tzu the punk-rocker of Confucianism), Buddhism and even, gosh horror, Christianity(you didn't show this but Religion for Breakfast has an equally awesome video that all should watch).
As a korean person, i understand that confucianism is a backbone of most of asian cultures and it has beautiful values, however it kinda hold us back compared to western countries. As a result, after 18th century, eastern countries except Japan who accepted western culture fanatically, fell behind and colonized by western or japan
@@RocSaltAndPepperMint , but it's still promo the original culture basic principles, respects, living styles for most Asian as of in the 21st century still using it. But not forcing you to use it. It's totally up to you. That's common sense.
as you said "after 18th century", how about the time before that? which part is longer? for thousands years of human history, many western civilizations come and go, only Chinese civilization/confucianism, which may rise and fall, but survive from very beginning until now, human history will be very long, don't make the conclusion too early
In the Qing dynasty's case, the Manchu rulers needed to seem to be the rightful protectors of Chinese way of life, so they dug in extra conservative in limiting outside influence. Confucianism itself was not xenophobic in the slightest.
@@owO-ld5gw You didn't even speak a decent language while you calling me“the brainwashed”(I think that's what you meant). Please stay calm and stop declaiming the ownership of something that is not even yours logically.
True, there should be no place for hate when it comes to learning. In that matter, there are also anti-Vietnamese racist who love spilling hate in this comment issue. I saw them in a few videos with Vietnam-related content
In Korea in about 13th cetury, Neo confucisiasm(Zhu xi school)was introduced by 'An hyang(1243~1306)', reformist official of Korea. In Korea Neo confucisiasm had a lot of infulence. The early Joseon dynasty, Confucian scholars became bureaucrats and reformed society and established Confucisiasm school that promote government offical in the whole country. After invading of Japan(1592~1599) and Manchurian(1627, 1637), Neo confucisiasm beacame absolutized for rebuilding nation and society in Korea. By this, Confucianism has spread to the general public , but criticizing Zhu Xi's theories could have had a serious political and social problem. There were also practical confucisiasm school such as Yangminsism, but they could not carry out continuous reforms mainly because they were prevalent among those who were pushed out of nation power.
"Duke of Zhou" -- the way you say it reminds me of a mid-20th century rock-and-roll song, "The Duke of Soul." Very funny. Duke, Duke, Duke, Duke of Zhou, Zhou, Zhou; Duke of Zhou.. It is funnier in my head...
confucianism is very important part of asia value, but i also think confucious ideas hold back many of asian countries to lose competitiveness against western countries.
I don't think the blame is on Confucianism. Confucius actually encouraged learning, thinking, self-empowerment, and social responsibility. In terms of ancient China, It's more of a problem of openness to other cultures and cultural differences than Confucianism. The Ming dynasty which was also heavily influenced by neo-Confucianism was open enough to foreign technology and culture. They even built muzzleloaders to defeat the Jurjens until the Jurjens learned the technology themselves. The real problem is Yongzheng's lockdown that went too extreme.
@@Mikejrssmc Javanese were Hindu and Buddhist prior to the spread of Islam in Indonesia, and even their Buddhism sect is different from that of what the Chinese practiced.
Thanks for the historical overview! It would also be interesting to hear about what the Communists have done with Confucianism. Or is that subject too close and dangerous?
Nah, not dangerous. It was first labeled backward, counter-revolutionary, reactionary and superstitious. Basically, they hated it during the early days, but now they embraced it because it's found to be useful.
@@CoolHistoryBros Sure, they hated it and tried to root it out in the past, but what sort of changes have they introduced into the process of its teaching since embracing it? For example, Communists are well known to embrace dishonesty for the cause, whereas Confucius advises honesty, no? Such an attitude would mitigate against the usefulness of the philosophy to their cause.
Actually, anti-confucianism have started in the early ROC era, because confucianism have many backward thoughts like focusing on big family, restraining women's role and most importantly, it once was used to restore the imperial system. So since that time, progressive people publicly attack confucianism ideology and blamed confucianism for China's weakness and poverty at that time. It is a time people explore how to save and rebuild China, so some opinions seems extreme today are understandable back then.
6:35 That's not correct. The heart is not the organ heart as in anatomy, it's is a functional 'system heart', which powers the human body and mind! Just to emphasize, IT IS NOT THE ORAN AS IN ANATOMY!
Upper class Japanese like the idea of Confucianism because the philosophy helps to secure their social status. While a lot of Japanese commoners grew to dislike the idea of Confucianism and accepted Christianity only to get slaughter by the Samurai.
@@Floatian My point is that Confucianism is not a perfect philosophy. For example, Confucianism emphasize patriarchy which led to gender inequality -- this is also why China has more men than women; it was used for political domination of the Nobles and Elites too.
@@jackjackyphantom8854 I thought the Japanese commoners was more affiliated with a different sect of Shinto Buddhism (a kind of folk Buddhism) that led to the Ikko-Ikki rebellion?
I heard this about Japan being like this too, where the woman is in charge of the finances while the man gets an allowance (as allotted by the wife) even as the primary breadwinner, though would think in Vietnam women still have higher positions in other aspects where Japanese women are not.
@@danshakuimo Ancients Vietnamese society used to be “matriarch” and it meant women hold a lot more power in many fields. Han people moved southward to Vietnam and spread “patriarchy” as well as “Confucianism”
Confucius is a famed religious leader to next Buddha and also a philosopher-yet in Korea, his philosophy discouraged Jang Youngsil’s status since he was a slave turned famous scientist
That’s because Joseon dynasty was a feudal society and by their traditions only the Joseon nobilities was allowed to hold court positions. (Which has nothing to do with Confucianism) China on the other hand chose its officials by merit through national examinations.
@@hwasiaqhan8923 That is wrong information. Joseon also had a state examination, and commoners were given the opportunity to become aristocrats. The "Yangban(Aristocrat)" class was given to those who passed the national examination, and if no one in the family passed the examination for more than three generations, the noble status of the family was deprived. In other words, the class system of Joseon was not fixed. Jang Yeong-sil himself was one who became an aristocrat from a slave in recognition of his ability in the first place. Plus, there were not only Confucianism, but also martial arts, science, mathematics, foreign languages, astrology, medicine, and many other subjects. However, because Joseon was a Confucian society, the person who passed the Confucian exam was the highest, and the rest were given only low positions. I don't care if you take pride in the culture of your country. But I hope you don't talk about other countries and areas that you don't know very well. Such distorted information can be seen as political propaganda.
Confucianism generally doesn't like scientist, often calling it as smart tricks that fool people. It also doesn't like trying newer stuff, and prefer the old ways.
per political viewpoints, your lecture is fair and satisfactory political spread of confucius teachings... per scholars' viewpoints, confucius teachings is a struggle for non-violence existence... but that because the material world is yin and yang with five elements, total non-violence is an ILLUSION in the material world... the way is to struggle to reduce violence starting from the rulership down to the lowest commoner... the knowledge, that time and the universe is infinite, the solution to reduce violence is making shaping civilization as everlasting as time... that just as humans by marriage offsprings as continuity of humans existence, spiritual masters/teachers for non-violence in the making shaping everlasting civilization as time, accept disciples/students and so goes on... to add, as political peoples who hold the reigns of central leadership made use of confucius teachings and other enlightenment teachings for gaining support of the general masses adjusting many teachings for their political positions benefits, enlightened masters and enlightened scholars moved on for reducing violence in the direction of a STABLE civilization... comes lao tzu... that the cosmic nature/universe is to be connected with humans for a harmonious and prosperous civilization... comes sun tzu... a stable harmonious prosperous civilization need knowledge of RIGHTEOUS warfare... sun tzu saw rulers indulge themselves to wars lacking justifications... note: sages before confucius were yoga mentored and buddha mentored... as to the written books and popularized gautama buddha, i have nothing to say... i only know that confucius is a disciple of boddhidharma teachings...
Please tell us about the evolution of Confucianism in China 1919-49 and its continuation in Taiwan since 1949; and in Hong Kong since British rule began in the 1800s. This could tell us a lot about the future of Confucianism.
@@Andy-bb2eo Thank you. I realized I should try google translate, and it says you're saying this: "In 1919, Confucianism was invaded by the West, and we changed from self-confidence to extreme inferiority. We abandoned Confucianism and embraced the West as the mainstream. Only a small number of scholars defended Confucianism. After 49 years, the mainland began to attack Confucianism in an all-round way. Confucian scholars went into exile overseas and combined Western philosophy to create New Confucianism, hoping to save Confucianism. The old Confucianism was out of date. My English is not good. If you want to know more, you can search for Mou Zongsan. He is the last recognized Confucianist." That's very helpful. The only thing unclear is the word "invaded", maybe another word would be a better translation.
Just one small tip for pronouncing Korean names: the last syllable of a name should not be raised when pronounced otherwise it sounds like a Chinese name.
Given that we now live in a fragmented world without possibility of unification (the whole world is now Warring States) it may be time for Mohism to make a return. Mohism became obsolete because protecting the existence of small states only perpetuated endless wars. Benevolent centralization proved more popular. Mohism however would make perfect sense in a permanently divided and squabbling world.
I've been watching Korean dramas lately and wanted to understand how Confucianism has led to the problems in Korean society. It seems to me that the basic problem is that people with high status tend to use their position to enrich themselves and their families at the expense of their subordinates. Confucianism only works when everyone, high and low, participate willingly. Unfortunately, human nature being what it is, power corrupts, absolutely.
'It seems to me that the basic problem is that people with high status tend to use their position to enrich themselves and their families at the expense of their subordinates.' That sounds more like capitalism to me
@@zackwang9314 The other problem is that subordinates will protect corrupt superiors, it works both ways. Corruption is therefore an endemic problem in asian societies that are fundamentally Confucian, regardless of the economic or political system.
Chopsticks weren’t adopted for use in China until a few hundred years after Confucius’s death. The Chinese at that time were using knives and forks, until enough social recognition was raised against bring in weapons at the dinning table.
As a Vietnamese who live in US and I can tell you that Confucianism is dead in Mainland....I traveled there and only a few people know what I am talking about Chinese history and culture and poetry.....Culture Cleaning at it best there. Not only they don't know about their own culture but the world too.....
Together with gunships, heroin, goods, cigarette, education....philosophies from the West Christianism, Capitalism, Marxism, Leninism ....had brainwashed poor and pitiful Chinese people for centuries. The national father and builder of modern China, respected around the globe by Chinese including Mainland China, Dr. Sun Yat Sen is a Christian.
You should have turned off comments with any educational videos because some people will take the opportunity to trolls other. This then lead to a fight or cyberbullying. We don't need more fights in this world. 🙏 Even with sharing some of the same philosophy there will always be people with bad manners. "Tiên học lễ, hậu học văn." Nhân lễ nghĩa trí tín không có thì sao cảm hóa lòng người.
its quite simply because that most people punch with their right fist and therefore not showing your right hand is considered a sign of peace and respect
As a said, its only a symbol of those illustrate peace. Ruism is a way of seeing the world, you don't have to agree with it but you should at least respect it.
I was surprised the word “Hentai” was used to describe China’s losing its past glory by the hands of the Manchurians.. I guess there’s nothing to it though because “Hentai” started to have the current sexual implication after the Meiji era AFAIK.
Hentai literally means change (hen) of form (tai). It is almost like word "pervert". It originally meant "distortion" but it eventually also meant sexual deviancy.
Isn't it still used in a non-sexual context in Japanese in some cases? Like its negative still and still implies that you're a werido but not necessarily sexual deviancy.
@@CoolHistoryBros Given that context and etymology I think a better English translation would be "degenerate" instead of "barbarian", since the word has almost the same implication in the context of politics and sexual deviancy (though it may come across as too harsh in some context).
@@nhienleminhhue6605 he pronouce Vietnamesse better than most of the white dudes who made videos about Vietnam on YT. Tha's more than enough for me to like this video.
Thầy dạy bạn bị ngáo đá mới tuyên truyền thứ vô căn cứ khoa học như vậy. Thời Khổng Tử trước Tần Thủy Hoàng mấy thế kỷ, họ chỉ quanh khu vực Hoàng Hà, chưa đi về phương nam đến Trường Giang cách xa hàng ngàn km. Họ làm sao tiếp xúc nhiều với người Lạc Việt ở Sông Hồng, ở phía nam thêm vài ngàn km? Lạc Việt có nền văn minh sáng chói nhất Châu Á thời bấy giờ , chắc chắn có nhiều di vật khảo cổ và tài liệu như nền văn minh Ai Cập, Lượng Hà,... bạn có thể công bố cho thế giới biết về tình trạng ăn cắp quyền sở hữu trí tuệ của Trung Quốc đã diễn ra vào 2500 trước. Họ ăn cắp Nho giáo của Việt Nam.
When Manchu began to rise, all Han people, Korean, Vietnamese and Japanese considered them as barbarians. They still thinks so even after being Qing's tributarial states
The way we talk to elders today are from Confuciuscism. Yes, communism has changed Chinese and Vietnamese a lot, Confuciuscism is not as strong as in Korea and Japan but is still it has some effect in our culture.
Dress like Asians ???. What does it mean?. Vn is way more different from us or any western countries. I guess you have never live in anywhere outside vietnam
@@GuppyF91 lol. colorful clothing = US's style ???. young people in vn almost follow Korean style. and family's mindset is still influenced strongly by China. Even Korea and Japan, the countries have a lot influence from US, don't look like US. :))))
@@hwasiaqhan8923 then what about the Qing and the Yuan dynasties then ? If i follow your point then the Qing and the Yuan dynasties aren't Chinese either. You guys were also ruled by foreigner so you may consider that it's not Chinese dynasties then, (・∀・)
@@sgcl10658 champa did not belong to dai viet, they annexed part of their territory. “Daivietsphere” would suggest vietnam had cultural influence on champa which is actually the other way around.
The problem with modern Vietnamese is they were being brainwashed by a fake history that started in 1950's under the Viet Minh that later spread disinformation to the mass. The fact is the Baiyue people were not a single ethnic, like the modern Vietnamese like to think. In fact, the Yue people in Vietnam were different from the Yue people in Fujian. They spoke different languages and were different ethnics. The ancient Chinese used the term "Yue" to loosely label something that's beyond their sphere, namely the territories and people. In fact, modern Vietnamese has little genetic from the original Yue in Northern Vietnam. This has been proven via science and historical accounts.
