I looked it up in the dictionary (since English is not my primary language) things went: cuckoo bananas! Sandy come back, on the next video they will be burning down the house.
I'm actually impressed with how gracefully these shelves failed when they did fail. It was a very controlled flop over rather than a sudden shattering of glass or something violent. Why milk though? You've made a bigger mess for yourselves than just water would have been. But I suppose it's for RU-vid. 😊
The tests in this series look very weird to me, first is the IR thermal "test" that can be pretty much ignored due to how uncontrolled those can easily be. The testing for this one would be better and easier done using barbell weight plates incrementing the weights by the smallest possible increments, 2-5Kg of example.
Minor dings or ridiculously overloading shelves perfectly adapted to their use-case are totally irrelevant. Right to repair, compressor life, electronics and seals are what limit the lifetime of a fridge for real. Nothing on that so far. Sandy, please come back soon before your guys spill more milk instead of producing useful content.
@@Makatea I took this as an opportunity for engineering lesson about material stress, and failure modes, not a commentary on the products themselves ... so it was useful in that way :-p
On This Episode of Munro live. Cory and Adam find out the hard way why water would have been a better choice. The full impact of gallons of milk exploding all over the shop will be smelt for years to come.
Yes, please keep us updated guys. Especially interested in seeing Munro’s face when he come back from vacation and noticing that the entire shop smells like rotten milk 😂
Interesting, but these shelfs will never experience those loads, energy efficiency of these units are the most important factor. I hope you can evaluate precisely being they are different sizes.
I wouldn't want them to spend a minute of their time if they don't end up breaking the shelves. They can just say "they work" and move on. Actually breaking them revealed the design choices or the lacking of design that goes into these products and are actually educational. I saw the stamping and actually thought that the Frigidaire's design was better.
Project Farm would have rigged up a load tester that would give precise weights at which the shelves would begin to plastically deform and ultimate failure points!
Exactly. You should never ever waste food. Ever. It’s absolutely disgusting to do so. And I love this channel beyond belief! But that was simply bad. Please. Don’t. I know how it is to have no food on your plate. And there’s millions who suffer that every single day.
@@mgmacius You do know milk is produced everyday and what doesn't get sold goes down the drain. Whether they buy it and waste it, or don't but it. It's already been made and tomorrow the same amount will be made again.
@@Robert-cu9bm what kind of nonsense is that? Milk have shelf life of many days, in Ireland it’s usually a week or two and I’m not talking about milk like products like UHT. That one can last for a month or longer. The fact that something gets made tomorrow have no relevance as it is needed by so many today. And tomorrow. And the next day. This is the most arrogant thing to say!
When I see load testing I think: energy consumption, power consumption and surge power. Could honestly care less if it can hold ten cows. But thanks for the work! The refer is a very important device in our lives.
It's sort of amazing that we can do something like this, yet we can't seem to feed the hungry in America. At least the unbroken gallons of milk were sent home with employees, so it wasn't a total waste of food.
What happens in testing when Munro is away? 🤣The emotionless comments with this hilarious stress test makes us wonder if this kind of approach is really their normal procedure?! But the mishap with the black car that became 'body in white' cleared me up that this still might have been a one of a kind new method even for Munro.👍
I’m really scratch my head trying to figure out why are you did not use jugs of water. Plus there is the optics considering you just Took donations for the Tesla plaid
I fail to appreciate any value with load testing the two shelves beyond what either would ever be loaded to inside the frig. At least we know both shelf designs will carry MORE than they could ever be loaded to inside the frig's. due to space limitations. MythBusters would have rented an elephant for the same test and got more laughs.
Well, testing them to 100lbs and stopping wouldnt reveal the failure point. The test isnt just "will they handle a normal load" it is a failure test to see where they do finally fail at. This is important to know so if the manufacture did want to save pennies on shelves they could know where to save them and still meet the requirements. The Frigidaire has a much more expensive stamped part but was actually weaker. That tells us that stamping that part is a waste of time and money in production. They could move to flat rails and be better off. Although I recall these fancy stamped parts being prominant in thier advertising.
you missed the point of the test. it was not if they could hold the weight it was to see what they could take. that is how you figure out wich part was made/designed better.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld being "designed better" is not a valid outcome of this test. Better relates to the function they are designed for. If both can hold all the weight that could but put on it in a fridge, any further expense is overengineering and wasted money. This channel is all about reducing costs and materials so the more inexpensive choice here is the better one.
I am interested in how you will test the electronic control boards. I purchased Frigidaire refrigerator and stove in 2014. We have had repair people out numerous times on both units and had the control boards replaced. Additionally the ice maker has issues with condensation freezing in the rotary sections for the ice maker. I am not enamoured.
the EU versions of fridgidair like brands are comfortably in the "budget" section. still, a fridge like that would cost less then half in euros as it would in the US. these fridges are just stupidly overpriced in the US. even that subzero would be sold for 3k or less in the EU.
Most of these tests don't make any sense. Nobody is going to use those shelves for storing weights and the shelves are only designed to lift the stuff people store in fridges.
They cost about 10k more up front for new and used propane lifts are cheap. They also typically run about half as long and "refilling" propane is usually done in a few minutes by swapping the tank. Not even Tesla uses electric construction vehicles on thier job sites.
I suspect that the Frigidaire shelf was designed to fail exactly as it did and at a weight that would be unreasonable in the actual fridge. The front gusset turns upward before it gets to the back "bump gussets" along the edge, suggesting an intended failure mode as stamping longer gussets would not be more expensive. This failure mode may reduce the risk of breaking glass, which would be the larger concern to a legal team. With that said, the observed shelf failure potentially spills food items forward. If a child with the density of a neutron star hangs from the shelf lip, heavy items could fall on them when the shelf fails. Both brands seem to have sufficient shelf strength for children of normal densities, however ;).
Steel pots are denser than milk crates. We are also assuming no manufacturing defects. The margin of safety on the Fridgidaire seems low, in a product where weight isn't critical.
I liked the failure mode of the Frigidaire, as you can see the glass flexes well before breaking of the arm occurs, so it's a good indication to the consumer to STOP, lol! (The Sub-Zero doesn't really indicate, glass doesn't flex, until failure)
When I read the title of "Load Testing" I assumed it was electrical load as energy consumption is by far the most important engineering feature of these refrigerators. I cannot believe I just gave up 14 minutes of my life watching two guys stack MILK (not water) jugs on shelves until they fail. While I am glad you made sure each shelf could hold a load that they would never ever see I am wondering when you will get to some actual useful testing. Maybe you should do this type of test for vehicles? Get a pick up truck and stack concrete blocks in the bed until the suspension fails or the bed collapses, or load up the drivers seat with steel plates until the frame fails. Seriously, was this video done so that Sandy would never go on vacation again?
By the way, you guys are doing a good job and it is interesting to see something other than cars evaluated. The spilled milk was not necessary but did add a bit of dramatic entertainment. I do miss Sandy. One of you should have said, "What!?, I don't understand what they were thinking, they put a structural rib in the support but skimped on the hook width! What is with that?" "You see boys and girls, someone decided to do something right, but it looks like someone else decided that they didn't need to follow through by allowing a few millimeters of width on the hook to match the strength in the rest of the bracket." You guys can do it, put some emphasis on what you are seeing and saying. I didn't really see an conclusion on the comparison. Something like, well, if Frigidaire hadn't failed to consider a greater width on the hook support for the shelf they would so far be equivalent to the SubZero fridge at about a third of the cost!
@@MunroLive That's about the only nice thing one can say about the whole fridge series. Slight dings or shelves perfectly dimensioned for their use-case have no bearing on the useful lifetime of a fridge, which is the only thing relevant to the customer. Right to repair-attitude of the OEM, power consumption/isolation, compressor, electronics and seals matter. Those essential aspects were not even considered yet. For now, this is just a bad talkshow over nothing of substance achieving no more than to pointlessly waste perfectly good milk. Expect to get an earful from Sandy when he comes back.
What was the point of this test? Just waste a lot of milk? Both shelves performed very well for what they were designed to do - well within their specifications.
My concern on both is how long will they last? 5 years? Parts after 3 years are impossible to get, obsolete is the norm put on FB market for sale cheap. Disposable appliances
My concern is how long these two presenters will last at Munro in their present capacities. Imo as an engineer, five days is too long. If it would get Sandy back in the office faster, I'm sure there are lots of subscribers who would be happy to help him move.
@@psdaengr911 do not confuse their engineering skills versus their presening skills. making up a demo that "sells" well on video is harder then you think.
I think one of the important factors you didn't consider was that the subzero had a little pin that stuck into the slots of the shelf bracket, that helps to prevent the forces pushing the support out to the side, which is what it looked like happened on the Frigidaire.
I'm happy that I now have an unbiased outlet for consumer reports. Feels like all the traditional outlets have lost their integrity. Thank you for your hard work gang 🙂
Yes, the shelving is the weak point , as they need to be flexible in storage option. the brackets are the worst failure point. they can be made stronger with clip locks like on some old cars and train windows.
I’m so glad to see y’all paid at least $39 for the “Munro Live” stickers to support the Tesla Model S Plaid breakdown for this fridge breakdown video!😉😜😝😂
This seems a pointless effort. The volume of the fridge limits this type of loading and both are obviously more than strong enough for ordinary use..I also question the use (waste) of milk. Could you not choose a heavy media that did not exemplify food wasting? And did you fellows clean up or did you make someone else do it?
So, net net, both shelf designs are more than adequate for what a fridge would likely be used for. Next time: build a dunk tank and take turns getting wet! 😜
It’s a good thing they used blue painters tape to cover the fact the the beer can was a Miller lite. Even though they left the logo below clearly visible. 😂😂😂
I was hoping the test would compare how long it would take each fridge to cool a quantity of milk by say 4 - 6 gallons ,10 degrees, and measure how much power was consumed to do so. Pretty funny though stress testing the shelves...never thought of that. LOL
This reminds me of Consumer Reports studies I read 50 years ago. The points they focused on were totally irrelevant to my use of the equipment. I expected better from Munro. Hope it gets better.
This is an utterly useless spill of milk. Both shelves are strong enough for their use case, so what? The right to repair stance of the OEMs, and the durability of the compressors, control electronics and seals are the significant components limiting the useful life of a fridge, not minor dings in the sheet metal or ridiculously overloading the shelves. It's time Sandy gets done with his move and comes back to stop the clown show.
Why don't you use weights or just sand bags to test them. Look at the amount of milk you have just wasted. Though the money comes from youtube or Munro associations , those are foods give some damn respect to them..many people in the world are starving , just think about that...please dont be like silly tiktokers . We are engineers, please think smart and wise!
Interesting demonstration of design strength. I hope you bought some bleach too. Unless you want the smell of spoiled milk in your shop you will have to add some bleach to the floor cleaning solution when you mop up the spilled milk.
Thanks for the shenanigans and entertainment at the expense of cleanup lol. You could have some structural engineers on your staff chime in. The gussets would hold up much more if it was designed as Adam said, straight through. The depth of the section of the sub zero supports definitely make a huge difference, the equation i believe uses the moment of inertia to the 4th power. So that was a huge advantage. But what is great to know is how they are both designed well above what you can fit on them. :)
still, stronger is better. over time the shelf will bend down as you load it over the years. especially if you load your fridge up with gallons of milk.
@@SupremeRuleroftheWorld lol, spread the 5 gallons of milk on multiple shelves! Also, you are talking about metal fatigue, the shelves MAY bend down if the 40 lbs constantly brings the internal strain to the ultimate limit. And if it has poor quality internal atomic structure from manufacturing cheapness.
Sandy is gonna come back and be like, "what's that smell?" Cory and Adam will have to explain they spilled milk all over the warehouse and it spoiled. They will also have to explain why the work kitchen is stocked with cereal.
Love the fact that the gussets were added to increased rigidity and added to the product costs, but instead made the shelf break at lower loads, hahaha
