Iwan Rheon would have been a good choice as well, given how clean cut he was in “Misfits”. There’s even some behind the scenes footage of him imitating the Ian Curtis dance.
I love the fact that the last shot with the remaining members of the group sitting at the table showed what would come after Joy Division.....New Order.
S00N2B3 I bought Love Will Tear Us Apart in 1980 but Ian was already dead by then so I never knew them as a live band. I grew up with New Order and they, because they became essentially a dance band, dragged me down the dance music channel to house music which was the music genre that has been most important to me and the person I am.
I started listening to Joy Division when I was 13 and I just realized that I'm now older (25) than Ian Curtis was when he died (23). That's a chilling realization
Ugh this speaks to my guts. I am a survivor of an attempt of suicide and this scene just represents it all you know... it is sad and disturbing though that I keep coming back to this scene always when I am sad. Guys, please take care of your depression, go to the doctor, speak your feelings. No one deserves to feel this way.
When I watched the moments leading up to him killing himself, I was literally crying and whispering for him not to do it. Anyone who knows anything about Joy Division and Ian Curtis knew how this film was going to end but the fact that it was created in such a way that I simultaneously felt hope and despair is a testament to the talents of Anton Cobijn, Sam Riley and everyone who worked on it. A truly great tribute.
@@rmrjmr7543 Not sure why this is so funny to you especially given the fact the life of the real Ian Curtis was anything but funny. Some people like yourself just have a twisted sense of humor I guess.
Here’s the thing, every die hard Joy Division fan knew what this film would likely end with, and how it would end, but I can safely say that nothing even prepared me for how heartbreaking this ending still was. And bravo to the cinematographer at 3:20 slowly panning over to show what would become New Order sat down mourning their friend. RIP Ian
I have been a Joy Division fan for many years and ofcourse I knew that Ian killed him self but I thought it was like a typical Rock n' Roll suicide strung out on drugs and ending him self in some random way for some random reason but watching the movie I found it to be a deeply moral movie with a man stuck between his duty to his family and his lust for something more and of course the epilepsia played a role as well all though far from the central role imo
The most heart-wrenching ending in film history - the part where Samantha Morton drives up in near-silence, just screams and then asks for help is worth three Oscars alone.
Christ - even as a guy I was leaving the cinema in floods of tears at this. Not only is my GF who i was watching it with Epileptic herself, but I am a Macclesfield lad and have seen 12 family and friends cremated in that very crematorium. I have never brought myself to watch the film again but thought I'd try, but nope - still too haunting.
I went to macc to visit Ian's grave and look at his old house and a neighbour from a few doors down came out and was talking to me and said her husband helped take Ian down ...she'd lived there all her life...r.i.p. ian....and yes such a heart wrenching scene...
@@AngelGonzalez-cw5jr hi there..i remember she said to me he was very quiet and reserved and she often seen him walking by always alone....she was getting in in years ...
While we may never know what happened in those last hours of his life, I can't imagine the utter breaking point for Ian to simply go "I do not want to continue anymore" and dying alone on that May 18th morning. Leaving behind his wife (who he still loved despite what was happening between them), his platonic partner (as Annik says she was), his family and his band mates because his demons finally got the better of him. God damn.
@@ElizaWebbg I think regardless of how one felt about how Ian was to his wife and daughter and everything else, I can't imagine the struggle with manic depression and deciding to just end it all before even reaching 30. Even as someone with depression, I can't imagine that.
I have been a Joy Division fan for many years and ofcourse I knew that Ian killed him self but I thought it was like a typical Rock n' Roll suicide strung out on drugs and ending him self in some random way for some random reason but watching the movie I found it to be a deeply moral movie with a man stuck between his duty to his family and his lust for something more and of course the epilepsia played a role as well all though far from the central role imo
suicide isn't a "permanent solution for a temporary problem", you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. If you ever had a existencial crisis just imagine having it every single day. Sure, suicide is sad but it happens, you can't force the person to live when she wants to be dead. The only thing we really have control over (to do whatever we want w/) is our life, and it's a choice to end it.
After each Severe Depression I have when I pick up a bit I personally feel suicide would not be a clear cut decision. It's more not being able to live in so much pain. For me it's about not being able to live with my brain anymore. But I view those thoughts and urges as symptoms of a life threatening illness now which helps me separate it more from who I am. It's a total asshole of a condition.
fucking love this track - all time favourite. Probably gonna ask for it to be played at my funeral. Wife will hate it. But I've known this song longer than I've known her.
So sad that he had to end it this way leaving behind a little daughter.. hope he found peace in the afterlife and he's singing and dancing up there in heaven.
What's peculiar is that while she doesn't talk much about him, his daughter did give her thoughts about _Control_ through The Guardian, saying how even though she didn't know Ian that much (She was I think only one year old when Ian died), she is , in her words, "very protective of him".
I have been a Joy Division fan for many years and ofcourse I knew that Ian killed him self but I thought it was like a typical Rock n' Roll suicide strung out on drugs and ending him self in some random way for some random reason but watching the movie I found it to be a deeply moral movie with a man stuck between his duty to his family and his lust for something more and of course the epilepsia played a role as well all though far from the central role imo
We buried a friend on this song. Also There Is A Light That Never Goes Out & Asleep by The Smiths and Shine On You Crazy Diamond by Pink Floyd. Very very very intense soundtrack to a live lost too soon. R.I.P. Mannie!
I think that the suicide was as mostly from the distress over his uncontrolled epilepsy and having to go on the US tour under those conditions. We have far more effective medications for epilepsy now than we did then. Came too late for poor Ian though.
I have been a Joy Division fan for many years and ofcourse I knew that Ian killed him self but I thought it was like a typical Rock n' Roll suicide strung out on drugs and ending him self in some random way for some random reason but watching the movie I found it to be a deeply moral movie with a man stuck between his duty to his family and his lust for something more and of course the epilepsia played a role as well all though far from the central role imo
I know understand what my mother felt when she discovered my dad hanged she just hold his hand and said : " why ? we had so many years left to live happily together " touching from a distance, further all the time...
I've read the book. When she describes what she saw in that kitchen when she found him. . . Oh jeez. I bet she still lives with that image to this day x
I got that book a few weeks ago, started reading until chapter 4 but since then I couldn`t go on yet. I`m struggling myself, just like Ian did and I don`t know what`s still to come, ..... *sigh* It´s just so heartbreaking, also this film. Though I even have it on DVD, I couldn`t watch it for a very long time now, ..... :((( Feeling so sorry for Debbie, but also for Ian.
My mum killed herself , using the same method, as Ian - and I swear, no other cinematic depiction of suicide has so perfectly "recreated" my own experience of losing a loved one this way . The way Debbie screams for help - still conscious that she has a baby to take care of . . . it's just SO reminiscent of the night my mum died and the aftermath too. I admit I've burst into tears watching this but I always feel so much better for it - I don't know why. I wonder is the final shot of the smoke rising from the crematorium subtle Holocaust imagery?
When shes crying for help towards the end always gets me. I think it would for anyone else. She just found her husband dead. And it seems like shes left alone. Everyone else takes off. Sad. He was too young.
this has to be one of the most emotional impactful closing scenes in cinema. We know there was no happy ending, no salvation or redemption, just the anguish of those left to pick up the pieces, screaming from their soul or crushed into silence. A masterful debut by Anton, and it still brings a lump to my throat seeing Sam setting his eyes on the pulley and making that awful, awful choice. Rest In Peace Ian, Rob, Tony, Martin, but most of all, Ian. You will never be forgotten 🙏❤️
Have you ever listened to 'love will tear us apart'? it's SO out of time in the intro, Martin Hannett must have had an off day! they were just kids back then. People who say New Order weren't good are wrong, they rode the wave of new electronic music and MIDI. Because they were not as underground as JD doesn't make them bad, just different. They weren't trying to be JD V2. Oh and New Order kept the Hacienda alive too :)
I was always able to see scenes like this without getting emotional. I'd usually whisper to myself "Don't do it, man, it's not worth it." always having a sinking feeling afterward when I knew what happened... recently I lost a close friend due to suicide by hanging, now it's just as hard watching suicide scenes.
That whole part where Debbie finds the body of Ian hanging is haunting and heartbreaking…precisely because we are never actually shown the body of Ian or Debbie discovering it; we only hear her reaction and have to imagine what it was like to stumble upon that discovery…
I feel like Ian incredibly gifted as he was, might have had the right idea. He always expressed, even before his fame a desire to make an impact and then die at age 25 or under (he was 23, God rest). I'm well passed that mark, aged 28, and I have done nothing nearly, minimally as important as he did. But I understand and respect his decision, a lyrical and musical genius.
I was barely a teenager when my older brother showed me Joy Division. I'm now older than Ian was when he killed himself. Fucking hell. 23. He was so fucking young. If he were here now, I'd just want to hold him in my arms and tell him it'll be okay, that he really is brilliant.
I have been a Joy Division fan for many years and ofcourse I knew that Ian killed him self but I thought it was like a typical Rock n' Roll suicide strung out on drugs and ending him self in some random way for some random reason but watching the movie I found it to be a deeply moral movie with a man stuck between his duty to his family and his lust for something more and of course the epilepsia played a role as well all though far from the central role imo
First off Ian Curtis put iggy pops "The Idiot" on the record player, one of his favorite albums. He also slowly hung himself. The aesthetic of this movie is cool. I also understand that this scene lacked music, in a attempt to make it gritty and dark. But, Ian's love of music had such a impact, even while taking his own life he listened to Iggy Pop.
I have been a Joy Division fan for many years and ofcourse I knew that Ian killed him self but I thought it was like a typical Rock n' Roll suicide strung out on drugs and ending him self in some random way for some random reason but watching the movie I found it to be a deeply moral movie with a man stuck between his duty to his family and his lust for something more and of course the epilepsia played a role as well all though far from the central role imo
After watching the last film he watched STROZEG (spelling maybe off) its plain to see the amount of similarities there was to ian and his life. A musician going to America, told not to drink, money worries, losing the home and woman he loved and finally committing suicide. Heck the guy even has similarities to him in the face, and the bank manager looks like Rob Gretton!! I honestly think Ian had bordetline pd, some of the features of this is a great sense of not knowing who you are, trying to find your place in the world and only seeing things in black and white, right or wrong no in between, extremes of everything Also relating to and fixating on people, and ideas and emulating them. He mustve felt such an affinity to the character Maybe a little controversial but iit makes me wonder did he think annik or debbie had moved on with a new man too as the girl in the film did.. and this was his final straw. Or was it all just part of a masterplan to quote Oasis. The lyrics to 24 hrs in particular show the whole situation and he definately had suicidal ideation (another symptom of bpd) so maybe it was all to make him an immortal and "show them all what they're missing" as he had recently seen the band could perform without him after the bury gig may have triggered abandonment issues (bpd too) . As a sufferer myself who somehow survived a hanging attempt I feel I understand his thought processes and have a connection with him somehow (my bpd maybe or just like a lot of other people do) but it saddens me he had no help/ therapy like he sang about. Why ever it happened and we'll never truly know, he will be sadly missed RIP beautiful man Ian Curtis. .💙🙏
The fact that there is very little dialogue here, with most of it coming from Ian’s wife…plus the fact that we never see Ian hanging himself or his corpse…so hauntingly powerful. I am now the age that Ian was when he killed himself.
Lost my dad 20 yrs ago and a dear friend during COVID by suicide. This scene hit me hard. Time makes you forget the pain, but things like this never heal.
@NintendoSegaSonyGuy I like the beginning of the movie when they were just getting started and not yet BIG yet. I think it's when they sorta kinda got BIG are the parts I enjoyed the most. The ending is the worse part to me because, like you said, it happened. I think that it is the worse feeling in the world to think that death is your only way out. I really wish it hadn't had ended this way. Great movie though, one of my favorites.
Been in that situation Ian goes through. Obviously not all the way...but Joy Division, and this scene are definitely reminders of the horrors you bring others by your ending. Especially when it's by your own hand. Sad story the one of Joy Division, Ian Curtis, and those near him. At least they left us the music
This story and truth broke my heart.. the ending just finished me off. My mother was epileptic..drank herself to death just by needing to sleep to cover up the depression. For ian to kill himself, even though he knew he loved anika and definitely loved his wife and baby. He could find no way out. And that's how suicide gives no reason.
