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CONVERSATIONS IN FLORENCE: The Reality of Moving to Italy 

Kylie Flavell
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This episode I chat with my dear friend, writer, expat and tour guide, Lauren. We talk quite candidly about the highs and lows of following a dream to move to Italy and what it took us to both make a life in Rome and Florence, as creatives, optimists and romantics. Our conversation about expat life touches on all the struggles of living in this beautiful country - finding an apartment, getting a job, getting a visa to live in Italy, learning Italian, dating Italians, making friends, adapting culturally and staying motivated to make the dream a reality. You can find Lauren's site here www.unlockitaly... where she writes a weekly blog on her life in Italy and also shares her tips for a vacation in Tuscany, Rome and other parts of Italia. If you would like more specific advice on how to move to Italy, you should check out this playlist that includes some of the videos on this topic I've made in the past:
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@ciaobella8963
@ciaobella8963 4 года назад
I really enjoyed this video. I moved here from California in 2013. I am retired now so part of my plan was to buy a cheap house, get permanent residency and live off of my social security, which isn't much. I did all that and I'm managing just fine. I was 64 when I moved here. I have one adult son in California and he never liked this idea of me living in Italy. Now I have a daughter-in-law, two grandsons and I visit them all twice a year. Not this year though. Hopefully Christmas. Every time I visit, at some point, my son will ask me if I'm ready to move "back home" again. I think they want me to babysit haha. But the bottom line is that Italy IS my home, even with all its frustrations and challenges. And I have never regretted it. But I have no idea how to get my son to understand how "home" for me is here. I'm 72 this summer btw, and still healthy and happy, and grateful for it. Thank you Italy.
@celestepapandrea5100
@celestepapandrea5100 3 года назад
Hi! Just wanted to say I am really glad you've found your place here, it is nice to see people from foreign countries choosing your country to spend their lives in. I am still searching for my place in the world but this somehow gives me hope, enjoy Italy and I hope you can spend Christmas with your family. Thank you, Celeste.
@miriammoriarty8588
@miriammoriarty8588 3 года назад
It's never too late to follow your heart!
@tanino111
@tanino111 3 года назад
@@miriammoriarty8588 Seguire semmai il cuore del figlio.
@sherikennedy4117
@sherikennedy4117 3 года назад
thank you for this comment. i am 64 and planning to soon move to northern italy if the dang virus would just stop. i think this is just a "thing" that is not understood. like an adult's love of going to disneyworld (guilty as charged).
@ciaobella8963
@ciaobella8963 3 года назад
@@sherikennedy4117 I hope you cling to this plan. Nothing really good in life is easy, but always worth the effort. I am with my son and family now in the US but will be returning home to Italy in 3 weeks. This "season" we are in is a huge challenge. Nonetheless, you must persevere. Life is a joy only when we follow our dreams. Wishing you every blessing.
@DoctorDARKSIDE
@DoctorDARKSIDE 4 года назад
Italy is like a painting which only reveals itself if you are willing to take in its hidden beauty. It is a slow culture, nothing moves faster than it needs to - if you really want to enjoy Italy, the trick is to slow down and do what Italians do best: think. Some of the greatest minds, artists, engineers, architects, designers, writers and more came from Italy purely because they were born in a place that allowed them to think. The Duomo in Firenze, took over 140 years to be completed. So give yourself time, slow down, enjoy Italy. Source: I'm Italian.
@FAMA-18
@FAMA-18 4 года назад
Beautifully said!
@JhonnycashJhonnycash
@JhonnycashJhonnycash 4 года назад
Viva L'Italia
@mada9246
@mada9246 4 года назад
Thank you. That's indeed helpful.
@mada9246
@mada9246 4 года назад
@Chiara Brunelli This is bullshit. You must be of Salvini supporters. He invests in such ignorant minds. If Italy is ever dead, it would be dead. Not killed by anyone.
@brianvlora
@brianvlora 4 года назад
@Chiara Brunelli We need less people like you in Italy!!
@kneadsensual7366
@kneadsensual7366 4 года назад
Italy teaches you how to live. Not tomorrow but now.
@djkoenig4716
@djkoenig4716 4 года назад
That is so sorely needed by SO many people now! :●}
@laco9412
@laco9412 4 года назад
That's Buddha
@ffi1001
@ffi1001 4 года назад
Nonsense. It’s a mess. Disorganisation reigns
@vadimislearningguitar4977
@vadimislearningguitar4977 4 года назад
are you sure ? what do you mean exactly ?
@likearollingstone007
@likearollingstone007 4 года назад
So pretentious
@EllaSHeath
@EllaSHeath 4 года назад
Can I tell you a secret? The loneliness and struggles you felt there is not just Italy but it's the experience of being a foreigner. I know this because I had your exact opposite story: I moved all by myself from Rome to Los Angeles at 26. I had MANY lonely days and nights. The culture was so shockingly different that initially it made me grow up all at once. I tried hard and eventually I made it work, but it has always been a struggle. 15 years have gone by quickly. I am married to the love of my life, I have two children and I have reinvented myself at least twice from a career standpoint. We moved from state to state to find a "home" but it finally dawned on me that I will never feel completely home until I go back to Italy....
@ArielViera
@ArielViera 4 года назад
Kylie, you are an artist! Absolutely love your aesthetic, you make the audience feel as if they were a part of the conversation. Intimacy is the word I would use for your style of filmmaking
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
Ariel Viera Emotional intimacy and sincerity is always my aim so it makes me super happy to know you feel this way. 🥰🥰🥰
@WishIwasinItaly
@WishIwasinItaly 4 года назад
In Italy "no matter what you're doing in your day you are feeling like you're really living" Amen!
@fran791
@fran791 4 года назад
I mean it depends where you live
@mr.g812
@mr.g812 4 года назад
I live in a city near Milan and I can't wait to go away from here, it's boring af, every day there a horrible smell of pollution and there are no mountains, hills or sea
@fran791
@fran791 4 года назад
@@mr.g812 io vivo nella provincia di ferrara in pianura padana e qui è solo campagna e stabilimenti industriali. La vita di periferia è insostenibile. Mi trasferirò presto fortunatamente
@mr.g812
@mr.g812 4 года назад
@@fran791 Sono nella tua stessa situazione, il problema è io non mi trasferirò presto
@fran791
@fran791 4 года назад
@@mr.g812 io fossi in te inizierei a progettare cercando su internet un piano di fuga 😂. Soprattutto se sei giovane. E anche se non lo sei, non ne vale la pena di vivere in luoghi o secondo modalità che non ci piacciono. Le risposte su come fare sono tutte online, da come trovare casa a come trovare i soldi. Ti auguro di trovare la strada per arrivare a vivere la vita che desideri 🙌🏻
@mackenziewright9495
@mackenziewright9495 4 года назад
I’ve been an expat for two years living in Tokyo and I loved watching this. Thank you for making this video. It really helped me remember why I love being an expat and that I’m not alone in feeling all the feelings I do. Living in Japan is amazing but not easy in any way. This video was a really nice reminder that, even though life is not easy, we do it because we love it! So... thank you so much for that reminder!
@melaniem7972
@melaniem7972 2 года назад
When she started saying how living in Italy feels like falling in love I started tearing up. That whole part made me emotional. I’m 21 almost 22 living in Texas, USA, I want that exact feeling. I’ve wanted to visit even live in Italy since I was 14. Now that I’m older and know that’s still what I want I’m a step closer.
@angelaberni8873
@angelaberni8873 Год назад
Dream can come true. Just work at it and never give up. My dream came true at 62. Yipeee.
@MetaMM
@MetaMM 4 года назад
This video came on my newsfeeds. Great perspectives by you two that is so hilarious in a way but glad you can laugh about it now. I've been blessed to have met an Italian in my country, he swept off my feet, took me to Milan, married, travelled, living in different countries after as he was assigned to these other countries as an Engineer and Milan was our home base. Restaurants, shopping, jewellery was his love to give me. He was faithful to a tee. I'm beyond grateful but I lost him after many years together. Wonderful but also culture shock when I came to live in Italy. Now back in my country, living in the Balinese villa he purchased for us, and I could return to Italy any time. However, I think my chapter is done. Visiting yes, but living, I don't know. Never say never. Beautiful video and beautiful backdrop. Complimenti!!
@stevehaire6181
@stevehaire6181 4 года назад
Thank you... your videos are artistic and beautifully filmed while still containing enough truths and honesty to make them thought evoking. I watched this with special interest. My wife of forty five years and I are preparing to submit apps for our Elective VISAs. We “fell in love” with Italy thirty years ago and promised each other we’d retire there. Because you and your friend are much younger you might think that we’d find much of this video irrelevant; not so. Life never stops challenging those fortunate to grow old. We have each other and no longer need to work yet we still worry about what we’ve yet to experience. Just learning the skills that will help us grow old gracefully in Italy will be a challenge we’re looking forward too . I appreciate effort and humility it took to make this video 😊
@AlI-dw3we
@AlI-dw3we 4 года назад
This video is a kind of support I’ve been waiting since years...I moved to Italy in 2013 just for a one year photography course in Florence. In 2014, I wasn’t ready to leave it, so I abandoned my dream to be a pro photographer and continued a master degree in English who knows for what:)) no extra money, no job, no hopes to get a job, super difficult to find an apartment, extremely difficult to get visa, no Italian language...Being graduated I knocked every possible doors, struggled with depression, anxiety, even enrolled myself in Servizio Civile! I’m still here and I finally do photography 😁 this sounds strange but italy is my big life lesson. If not this experience of huge failure I would end up somewhere in office doing a job that I would probably hate:)
@dianasharonschenker7046
@dianasharonschenker7046 4 года назад
Hi, I found out where I want to live it is Heceg Novi, Igalo, Montenegro. Do not have to know the language most everyone speaks English. By the way I am from California also. I know exactly what you mean I have traveled to over 30 countries I was in Florence, Italy in 1998 for 3 months. Loved the experience. Still have an Australian friend and her Italian husband that are living in Florence. I have immigrated Israel, Mexico and now Montenegro also lived in countries as an expat and a tourist for 1 month to 3 months. In August I will be 77 years old healthy, and still living my life, and still traveling. My son also a traveler is teaching English to the Chinese young students with his family live in Varna, Bulgaria his wife is Ukrainian. My 2 grandchildren speak 3 languages. I love meeting new people and always experiencing a new challenges life. I just had a job offer to work in Real Estate. I am having a unit built. Love life and stay healthy
@TheMiraEdit
@TheMiraEdit 4 года назад
This video is so beautifully made and I love this sit down and chat video style! 💖
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
Mirjana Valentin I’m so happy you liked it. Thank you for your encouragement. 😘😘😘
@noorrandomlycommenting6929
@noorrandomlycommenting6929 4 года назад
THIS VIDEO JUST SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO ME! I almost couldn't believe that I've been through every exact thing that you guys mentioned. It was much needed to know what I feel is completely normal.. thank you!
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
Noor Hanieh 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@francescahamilton6856
@francescahamilton6856 3 года назад
This one of the best videos. So many recollections. I've watched it several times and cannot stop laughing.
@daniellapetranics4163
@daniellapetranics4163 4 года назад
It’s when you can’t find people with personality and dreams like yours, and you just find them on the internet...🙏🏽 What a blessing, life truly gives you what resonates with your energy, and the way doesn’t even matter. Thank you Kylie, you always give us faith and encouragement to follow our dreams❤️
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
Daniella Petranics Ohhh you’re so sweet! Thank you!!! ♥️♥️♥️
@cassityeliz
@cassityeliz 4 года назад
This video really has spoken to me on so many different levels and I thank you ladies from the bottom of my heart for staying so true and so authentic to your experiences of moving to Italy!!!! For the longest time I’ve always had this deep connection to Italian culture. My heritage is partial Italian so I think I have a little bit of Italian culture instilled in my heart. Everything you’ve said I’ve completely resonated with. Being an American I have always been groomed to make my career the most important aspect of my life. I’ve always felt some sort of disconnection to America because of that. I have so many hobbies that I just enjoy on a daily basis. These are the things that fulfill my soul!!! Things like singing, painting, cooking, pottery, eating delicious food (I could go on). As I get older, I start to realize how much I admire Italians for their passion for life and deep appreciation for all things beautiful and fulfilling. I had a tear falling down my cheek at one point because it is so inspiring to watch foreigners who have this deep fascination with Italian culture, and actually made a choice to make it happen! I hope I will do the same one day. Bravissimo & Grazie Mille!!!!!!🤍
@emeliahurd3677
@emeliahurd3677 3 года назад
"I'm all alone so I'll just write a short story" omg that made me lol so hard. I can totally relate to this as a solo female traveller. And then there comes a time where you enjoy your own company SO MUCH that people can't help but be attracted to you and you just can't seem to get a private coffee or lunch to yourself. Random people asking to join you left right and centre hahahah! Ahhh I love being an expat. Love this convo ladies xx
@harrymason666
@harrymason666 4 года назад
I like this video because it gives me a new perspective on my own country and "forces" me to think about some things in a completely different way than I've always done. I hope to see more like this in the future.
@o2bnov0307
@o2bnov0307 4 года назад
I was studying Italian in Florence back in 1984. I remember finishing classes and walking back to my apartment. After crossing the Arno and entering the piazza del Duomo, the heavens opened, and it began to pour! I quickly ducked into the Duomo to wait out the cloud burst. Outside I saw tour groups following their guides, and I reflected on how fortunate I was. Many people save up for their entire lives to be able to come to Italy for a week or two, and I was able to live in this incredible city. I got to stay for a year, leaving with memories for a lifetime. Now I'm back in Italy and enjoying my time here. So many nice memories from the '80s; having to walk to the centro to make an international phone call, pay phones and the gettoni telefonici, and being able to buy pizza by the gram while walking on the street.
@emilythegreat9
@emilythegreat9 4 года назад
I am currently living in Italy and I have to say you are spot on! It is a constant struggle but also a blessing! There is not structure or specific way to do things but thats the character of the country! I have never related to a video more and I love the way you explain things so raw it is needed! I constantly have people asking me how I did it and I could not have explained it any other way than you have here! Brava!!
@TheMorganVEVO
@TheMorganVEVO 4 года назад
I am obsessed with these videos. I really LOVE your channel! 💕 Something about it is so...special.
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
RU-vidr Named Morgan ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
@DebeNicole
@DebeNicole 4 года назад
This just reinstated even more why I want to move to Italy, life is about taking risks, chances of the unknown. Preparation is key though, thank you for inspiring.
@joemoschetta1541
@joemoschetta1541 4 года назад
italy is the best country in the world,there are thousands of towns and cities and beaches and villages and things to see ,from major cities to small villages and all offer something different, take it from an italian from new york who has roots there
@DebeNicole
@DebeNicole 4 года назад
Agree...one of the best...been several times and will be there this coming summer as well!
@TranceElevation
@TranceElevation 4 года назад
@@joemoschetta1541 Yep, it's "the best" until you meet the bureaucracy and massive incompetence in the public administration. Working for 1000€ a month with ignorant peasants from South Italy.
@ronaldo19832
@ronaldo19832 4 года назад
God luck finding a job
@ronaldo19832
@ronaldo19832 4 года назад
TranceElevation true but there is no reason to offend people from the south... there plenty of ignorant people in the north too. Like everywhere in the world
@auggied6760
@auggied6760 4 года назад
The intelligence and personalities of these two women is quite refreshing. Thanks for this video.
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
Ciao! If you are seeking more specific tips, you might prefer the three-part series I made called 'How To Change Your Life and Move To Italy', which you can find in this playlist here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dQvVf8ehp-M.html OR this blog post I wrote, which goes into much greater detail to help you with your move: www.kylieflavell.com/index.php/2016/02/03/how-to-move-to-italy/ Thank you for coming back to watch another episode. This is a very honest chat so you can get a feel for the emotional highs and lows of the experience of making a life in Italy. It's what I was craving back when I was dreaming of a move to Italy. If you would like to check out Lauren's work, you can find it here: www.unlockitaly.com/ THANK YOU. AND GOOD LUCK!! Love Kylie
@Valkyri3Z
@Valkyri3Z 4 года назад
Kylie , I hope you are doing great and getting better. I hope in your personal life you are staying positive and not giving in to negativity. I know sometimes your RU-vid persona might not always show the reality of your life so I wrote this message for you. discovered your channel today morning and I am hooked. Your struggle inspires me too.
@swantjerausch5028
@swantjerausch5028 4 года назад
I could relate so well to your conversation! I am living in Italy now for already 10 month and as I came here for love and work, I have no intention to leave! The sensation of learning everyday and experiencing a culture in all its shapes makes me feel very alive and fortunated. I agree completely, have savings, take opportunities as they come and do not expect it to be easy. It pays off, as in my experience so far, Italy has this magic of fueling your blood with a lot of motivation and energy! (maybe also the wine and food helps with that ;))! Come to visit me in the vineyards in Barbaresco :)
@xmusquatro8932
@xmusquatro8932 4 года назад
I came here expecting some insights, but I did not expect to enjoy a sincere, entertaining, and wholesome conversation. Thank you for this!
@chrisw3731
@chrisw3731 4 года назад
So nice to hear both your stories about living there. I was in Milan and Como two years ago. I stayed all around Lake Como and I fell in love with Italy. I felt at peace there. I have been doing a lot of homework with the purpose of moving there. As a traditional painter and 3d artist my goal is to retire there when I have enough to live on without working unless its remotely or doing freelance gigs. Thank you again for the perspective. It was very helpful.
@mayasun8759
@mayasun8759 4 года назад
2013 I tried to live in Florence, shit that was so hard. People I had to deal for school tried to screw me over and with money alot of money.I had to pay for every single thing, a question, paying more for what ever I needed then the local Florentino .... My ONLY friend I made were men the girls of the group avoided me😂. Housing struggle, no heating 14C° in winter and super expensive. But it was so beautiful,Italy is mesmerizing. I will still go back but only for travel. I can't focus on the bigger picture and create a life and art if I have everyday struggles hindering me every day...
@sergiocovelli
@sergiocovelli 4 года назад
Florentines invented the banks... Everything has a cost. Try whit South Italy, maybe Apulia or Sicily. You will see will be a different experience.
@Primux001
@Primux001 4 года назад
But also north...Try Turin in Piedmont!!!
@maurovinci2971
@maurovinci2971 4 года назад
Maya, I absolutely agree with you. I can't understand how this country works where nothing works........even the migrants don't want to remain in Italy........what a shame!!!!!!!!!! Today's Italians inherited from the ancient Fathers a huge artistic heritage and excellence in every field, it seems that they are unable to manage them, let alone improve them ...The sad reality...........
@bigdisme5622
@bigdisme5622 3 года назад
Girls just starting have an easier time because there's always guys willing to pick them up or pay their bills guys don't get thay luxury.
@antonioantro6854
@antonioantro6854 3 года назад
Florence it's expensive
@cecitrigos5810
@cecitrigos5810 4 года назад
I´ve moved to different cities by myself and I can totally relate...Lately, I´ve considered looking into moving to Italy, and this video was super informative. Thank u!!
@TranceElevation
@TranceElevation 4 года назад
You will regret it, Italy is the last EU country you want to move in. If you're an artist in Germany you'd find more success, less competition, more civilized people and better country in every aspect. Be smart and don't play with your life, make the safe choice. The safe choice is Germany.
@gabrielesantucci6189
@gabrielesantucci6189 Год назад
​@@TranceElevation Mi sa che sei proprio in trance dalla nascita tu! 😂😂😂
@hollypitches920
@hollypitches920 4 года назад
I've never watched a video this long on RU-vid before!! Alllllll of this was so relatable. I moved to Florence in September 2018 for a study abroad exchange and was supposed to leave in July 2019. I stayed until September when I *had* to come back to the UK to finish my final year of uni. I graduate in June and I'm moving back to Florence. Need to do it all legally this time because of brexit so not sure how it will go (I was supposed to have the permesso di soggiorno last time but I had an affitto nero so couldn't really do anything without a house contract). You live and you learn! Now that I speak Italian and have worked and studied in Italy I would hope that I'm in a better position to start things off more properly this time, however both of you are right when you say you need to chuck all plans out the window because it neverrrrr happens how you want it to go (especially with Italian bureaucracy). No idea how I'm going to get a job or a house contract or anything else I need, but the struggle is worth it for the feeling that Firenze gives me. Speriamo che tutto vada bene!!!!
@hollypitches920
@hollypitches920 4 года назад
@Riccardo Venturino grazie Riccardo!! It is frustrating, especially now with the coronavirus I'm not sure how it will work as I don't expect I can go to the questura to announce my presence in Italy nei primi 8 giorni. But I will be returning in around 3 weeks if all goes to plan so I'm really excited regardless :)
@hollypitches920
@hollypitches920 4 года назад
@Riccardo Venturino yes I have been to the anagrafe before and queued for a good few hours. It's not a good situation, and I mean in terms of how awfully difficult it is for anyone to get residency or anything. I really feel for people who are not from Europe trying to make a life here, it is almost impossible. And really not looking forward to being part of the queue thanks to some very ignorant people in my country (JUST over half!) and a feckless government who removed everyone else's rights. However, you're right in what you said about making people leave (hopefully). I was in Italy for a whole year without residency (which is technically not allowed) and no one cared. The only issue is when I do actually need documentation for jobs etc but hopefully it can be done before the transition period for brexit ends at the end of the year :)
@brucemartin8435
@brucemartin8435 4 года назад
Just living this after leaving Canada and loved your comment on how nothing goes the way it is planned!
@majamierzwinska5543
@majamierzwinska5543 3 года назад
I love how they picked up on the hand gestures as 🤗
@angelaberni8873
@angelaberni8873 Год назад
As soon as you move out of the cities,into small towns or villages you will be welcomed with open arms. Cities are the same world over ,you are just a number !!!
@andreflavell2689
@andreflavell2689 4 года назад
I love everything Italian. I live on a classic Italian yacht with my dog in nz . Just love an Italian woman 45 to 50 . Thanks for your beautiful videos Andre Flavell
@annbrosnan8586
@annbrosnan8586 4 года назад
Such a useful and beautifully shot piece and certainly brightened my day in a wet, grey and cold UK. With Brexit looming it was very interesting to hear about the experiences you and Lauren had in terms of getting a visa, especially as so many people in the UK will be affected by changes to Freedom of Movement (I am lucky that I also have an Irish passport, courtesy of my late father). Educational, engaging and your laughter is so infectious, I couldn't stop smiling! Thank you Kylie and Lauren.
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
Ann Brosnan Thank you, Ann. Yes, it’s such an important topic in my opinion - where we feel at home and what we’re prepared to do to belong somewhere if we’re lucky enough to find a place that resonates with our soul. It feels quite pertinent, as you say, with Brexit, but also with this new freedom many of us have to decide where we call home. Whether you look at privileged people like myself and Lauren, who would like to work to become a part of another culture, or extreme cases, such as refugees fleeing dangerous situations and seeking safety.
@nadines_moments
@nadines_moments 4 года назад
Loved listening to this conversation! I think it really opened my eyes on how I need to approach fullfilling my dream of living in Italy. Thank you for giving me this inspiration (once again)! :)
@fareeaasif6684
@fareeaasif6684 4 года назад
wow, this is all so true for foreigners in Florence
@trakalosabby
@trakalosabby 4 года назад
Im in love with your personality and content so spectacular ❤
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
bella rivera Thank you, beautiful. ♥️♥️♥️
@MusicaErika
@MusicaErika 4 года назад
This is so interesting, I identify with many of your experiences. In my case I did the opposite moving from an alive, passionate and vibrant country with a romantic language (Spanish) to Canada to study and to live the culture and I ended out staying, but I do miss many things and I am planning to soon retire in Europe. Congratulations to both of you for your journey, for me been resilient still a learning curve. Good luck 😉
@valeriellauke2179
@valeriellauke2179 3 года назад
lol " I'll just watch Under The Tuscan Sun again" ... I have to say as some one who moved to Mexico I found the scenarios and struggles very much the same here ... I am lucky I never mind being alone .
@rxr2010
@rxr2010 4 года назад
Great video! Love that phrase "I've been infected by Italy!" So true and I was just there for 10 days. Thanks for sharing.
@clubfasteddie77
@clubfasteddie77 4 года назад
A very honest conversation. I love it very realistic. I moved from the Netherlands to Belgium just 3 kilometers from the border but a complete different culture.....
@victoria5657
@victoria5657 4 года назад
Actually it is interesting for me as an IRANIAN girl from the city 'Shiraz' that you had visited and now live in Florence ,to see this episode. It is a strange feeling that in both episodes I am searching all the places I know, both in my hometown and here that I am already living, and I am all ears also !!!!like a person who miss lots of things... Good luck and keep going😉
@gracielagago6714
@gracielagago6714 4 года назад
vici tradinnovation i
@TMAItalia
@TMAItalia 4 года назад
Can’t wait to go back again 💕
@PHOENIXAHELO
@PHOENIXAHELO 4 года назад
Thank you guys for sharing all this beautiful insight while having fun and laughing the whole time!!!
@salvatorecarluccio9864
@salvatorecarluccio9864 4 года назад
Site incredibilmente sincere. Veramante brave. As an Italian who migrated to Australia I exeperienced similar situations
@nextlifetimebrendan3940
@nextlifetimebrendan3940 4 года назад
As a gen z, I’m very grateful for having many online friends (+ some distant fam haha) in countries i want to visit that have expressed wanting to meet when i travel. A mild sense of comfort haha
@lindab.8936
@lindab.8936 2 года назад
Haha.. 👍I loved this frank & funny conversation & can identify with some of your shared feelings about good intentions on moving & about the big differences between holidaying in a foreign country & actually staying! 😃 Really beneficial for anyone considering moving, that's for sure! 😉
@Micahangelina_
@Micahangelina_ 4 года назад
Hi, from Padova! This made feel so happy. 💖 and gosh... how many tears in govt buildings, le piazze, and bars (coffee bars) 😁
@adammilanbaker1992
@adammilanbaker1992 4 года назад
Hi Kylie & Lauren, I enjoyed your video. It touched me. You were like telling my story of living or trying to survive in another country! I am originally from Libya & decided to take a risk and leave it all behind me & move to the UK. I literally started from scratch! From the English alphabetics, went to uni, a degree, Masters & a PhD while working in bars, cleaning jobs etc! It wasn't an easy journey at all! Pain, tears, losses, smiles, adventures, ups & downs! It's been 17 years now! & it has just started to get better! Am I living! I don't know! All what I know is that I survived! I did it single handed, with tears & sweat! I have changed a lot! A different person, & my Identity did, evaporated! I have a good job here, but I have always wanted to go back & live in a Mediterranean country. Italy will be my new destination. I visited, Napoli, Rome, Milano, Bologna, Modena, Parma & Genoa! It will be a risk to settle in Italy. But, life is all about taking risks and that what keeps us alive. You girls made my day with this vedio. Bless you both. Stay safe. & you never know, see you soon. A presto. Ciao 🌼
@Adryfrentzen
@Adryfrentzen 3 года назад
The video is absolutely spot on and veeeeeery well done (makes me homesick!), but I feel like it could be named "the reality of moving in another Country". As a (Italian) person living abroad for the past 10+ years what you describe is literally the everyday struggles anyone might experience when moving out of their comfort zone
@angelaberni8873
@angelaberni8873 Год назад
Exactly. Esattamente, bravissimo ❤
@samadhi1414
@samadhi1414 4 года назад
You two were so cute. Loved all the belly laughs.
@agem1989
@agem1989 4 года назад
This is true what you say, but most of the struggles you are telling are the one who everybody experiences when expats. There are pro and contra everywhere. About Italy, yes it's very difficult to adapt to the culture in general, to don't mention that every region there is basically a different country, different People, different language, food, culture and also education.. expecially between north and South. I've to say regarding this, that norther italians are more "modern", pretty rich and there are also quite a lot of job opportunities. Bologna, Torino, and expecially Milan for example are the places to be if you want to find a "easier" way to live in Italy.
@mediterraneanworld
@mediterraneanworld 4 года назад
@@dirkdiggler6230 no there is a difference - immigrants are starting over and planning to stay and make their lives there - "expats" have the luxury of experimentation - many people feel expat implies certain nationalities - but it is much more a socioeconomic term for people with education and financing that can live the lifestyle of being half in andhalf out.
@helensmith3214
@helensmith3214 4 года назад
First time I have watched your vlog. I hope one day I will get to travel to Italy. Food, scenery, culture and style is wonderful. This was a nice relaxing easy watch. Made me rearrange all my candles on the table! Also love your hair colour!
@beatrices4433
@beatrices4433 4 года назад
I just wonder how do you really feel about the dark side of Italy: racism, sexism and overall intolerance for anything different. As an Italian expat living in London for 20 years I am now considering returning to my country, but the above mentioned issues, including narrow minded attitude of the average italian are really scaring me off.
@Nabi_ark
@Nabi_ark 4 года назад
Beatrice S I was about to ask the same question. As an Italian expat myself, having lived in South America and the US, I am terrified of going back. I miss the slow paced life, the beauty of everything, the food...but after all these years I cannot see myself giving up the overall open mindedness most Italians lack. I would love to hear about it from a foreigner’s point of view.
@PeterPaul175
@PeterPaul175 4 года назад
It looks like you are the racist - just that your racism is a hatred of Italians. You leftist totalitarian bigots always accuse others of what you are guilty of.
@beatrices4433
@beatrices4433 4 года назад
PeterPaul175 really? My friend I think you should read an Italian newspaper or two, perhaps. Italy is deeply rooted inside me because is where I was born and were I grew, but only leaving Italy I was able to see ho narrow minded and backwards we can be. I don’t wish to engage in an exchange about Italians, as I know far too well to stay clear from negative stereotypes. So please, unless you have first hand experience of being a foreigner living in Italy and would like to bring your view, let’s end this here. Love❤️
@beatrices4433
@beatrices4433 4 года назад
Nicole Terrei I am also trying to find dialogue about this, but seems to be quite difficult.
@Nabi_ark
@Nabi_ark 4 года назад
Beatrice S it seems that way. People are quite sensitive.
@mariakollia1482
@mariakollia1482 4 года назад
Do you have any playlist with italian songs? Love the background music!!
@11bluerosexoxo
@11bluerosexoxo 4 года назад
I just love you ladies. Wish I was there to share in the laughter on that couch:) I live in a similar manner and can relate to much of your shared dialogue:) Love to you both, you beautiful, strong and free-spirited women!
@marilyn5894
@marilyn5894 3 года назад
I hate to see people struggle, but thanks for sharing and being personal♥️. I definitely will save up a lot of € before I travel & decide to move there.
@leyvincastillo6635
@leyvincastillo6635 4 года назад
Love all your videos! Keep enjoying life ❤️
@lostinmyspace4910
@lostinmyspace4910 4 года назад
Hey you avid RU-vid video scavengers looking for interesting recipes, vacation spots, and all around dolce vita, this girl is amazing. Please help her accumulate THUMBS UP, and LIKES by clicking on the appropriate spots. She can use our help. What she provides for us isn't cheap entertainment, it's her life and livlihood, so why not give her the time of day, and start clicking. Don't just watch and leave without leaving something in return on the table for her. She's committed, so lets commit to her. Give and take, right? Help her, and Subscribe. Her videos are so darn entertaining, you can see she has a lot of talent in putting these videos together. If you can't get to France or Italy she can bring it to you, and you are transported.
@bloomingpetals9290
@bloomingpetals9290 4 года назад
Truly how did you or Lauren make it there if you had no money. Can you give us a couple stories from beginning to end. You had no money and then what? Thank you for all the info just more real detail.
@pile333
@pile333 4 года назад
I'm grateful to those people like you two who have chosen to live in Italy. Especially creative persons like you. Italian population has been decreasing and it desperately needs adequate creative and passionate replacements like you. Things cannot be bad forever maybe soon it will get better. 🎶...I can't tell how and when, but one fine day it will change 🎶 🎶...Non so dirti come e quando, ma un bel giorno cambierà 🎶
@karllarsen8797
@karllarsen8797 4 года назад
True. Things cannot be bad forever, maybe soon it will get even worse.
@emmacurrens1617
@emmacurrens1617 2 года назад
When I studied abroad for several months in Rome I was able to pick up work as an English tutor for a family. They paid me 20/hour and the little boy went to international school and spoke English really well. It was definitely ideal, good pocket change as a student and a great way to practice Italian with the family!
@heatherlavalle6871
@heatherlavalle6871 3 года назад
“Nobody’s coming here, your not coming for your dream job.” Cut to my daughter: move to Florence, go to Fashion school, be a fashion designer. 😆
@x_mau9355
@x_mau9355 3 года назад
Wish her good luck. To find a true job in Italy, I mean a stable nice place where you want to spend the big part of the day, and be realized, and make career (who knows), that's the true challenging thing. And it is THE MAIN PROBLEM of everybody in italy who is let's say jounger than 35 yrs old. If you get over that, and you have found "food & shelter" (like one girl says here), well a big chunk of the material problems are behind you, and you can really begin to focus to the beauty of living in a country like Italy... and you'll never get tired. And that's the difference between Italy an another place: you might get a job quickly in who knows... Germany... but the problem is AFTER and AROUND it. Italy offers SO MUCH MORE that even alone, every day could be a new discovery.
@isabellasandoval6459
@isabellasandoval6459 2 года назад
lmao i’m doing this to my mom this year 😭😭i’m moving to florence, going to fashion school, work in fashion business
@kentbyron7608
@kentbyron7608 4 года назад
Bravo! This is real philosophy on the street level, boots on the ground. Well done. As a tourist I see that I get a rose colored glass polyanna viewpoint of Europe. I have a bubble of comfort around me as I explore. I had money saved up to travel, coffee and meals are easy. We float and look at things and sit and have a pastry. Tourism has huge blind spots difficult to escape. What about living in Europe, anywhere? I always wonder. You are practicing anthropology, sociology, linguistics, psychology, cultural studies, courage, fears, the whole range of the human condition, in this talk. Very inspiring. Your interview here is about the heart and the mind. You went way beyond living in Italy. You are talking about, among various rich topics, the Good Life, and asking what is that? Not simply answering it and being done with it. The real wisdom is asking every day What is a Good Life? The question is far more important than the current answer. People think they know and find out years later it was empty, that what they sought in fact was not the Good Life. Go write that book you always wanted to write. Most of us live lives of quiet desperation. I find it fruitful to ask what a Good Life is every day and reaffirm asking the question and pondering an answer that may change. Thank you for bringing such intelligence - and soul- to a brilliant topic: The reality of moving to Italy. I enjoyed hearing about what it is like to live there with the thrill of learning every day, but alongside lonliness, not being able to be "in" with the host country's citizens enough to get to know them, and the difficulty in making money there, as well as the overly optimistic view we on the fence take of RU-vid income and other blog incomes as a possible sustainable solution to living in a foreign land. It was good to hear about the difficulties. Knowing about the difficulties ahead of time can reduce a lot of suffering. Gratitude! Subscribed. PS your cinematic footage is a work of art.
@elishevarichmond6505
@elishevarichmond6505 4 года назад
I adored watching this, sitting down with my cup of tea, wrapped in a blanket on my couch as the rain and wind pounded outside. It actually was so reassuring to me ( I live in the Middle East as an expat) that the ups and downs are normal and persevering is the key. Much love!
@michelledoyle7992
@michelledoyle7992 4 года назад
I was there for a few years it was great lots of fun and friends work. When I moved back to Ireland my life was over I just fell into a depression I had to go on medication. I still go back for holidays and attract Italy men all the time. It's such a great place
@andreflavell2689
@andreflavell2689 4 года назад
Michelle Doyle the Irish are beautiful people to . I am an Irish citizen and I think depression is in our DNA . It’s hard to be us . We love the beautiful things of life but find it hard to find joy . I hope you ok now Andre
@michelledoyle7992
@michelledoyle7992 4 года назад
@@andreflavell2689 ya I am much better still miss Florence
@andreflavell2689
@andreflavell2689 4 года назад
Michelle Doyle imagine what it’s like living in nz . I do live in the bay of Islands on a beautiful yacht. But the society is very narrow .
@cb2677
@cb2677 4 года назад
Nice conversation but this is not relatable to someone over 30.
@giovanniautiero4837
@giovanniautiero4837 4 года назад
Hi Kylie and Lauren. It was a great video and watching you two made me smile throughout the whole video. I really would love to meet and make friends with two lovely beautiful and kind persons like you. Kylie i am still waiting to see you making some videos in Caserta and naples where i was born and spent my childhood playing football and other game with my childhood friends in reggia di Caserta. Hopefully you always be given the opportunity to live in this country as long as you feel at home. Ciao take care
@selenelopez5383
@selenelopez5383 4 года назад
I just love the honest spirit of this conversation. Thanks Kylie for quality content!
@juliarosen2864
@juliarosen2864 4 года назад
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! ❤
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
Julia T Grazie a te for watching!
@poman911
@poman911 4 года назад
I can see the progression of better and better camera from 2016 to 2020 with your work. I'm guessing you are using a GH4 or GH5 which is great for colors but the biggest problem for documentary filmaker is the auto focus on these Panasonic camera: the AF is garbage. Try the Sony A7III which is in the same price range (yes you'll have to change your lens system) but so much better AF. And the low-light is so so much better. As well, you can jump from full frame to 1.5X telephoto instantly (like having two primes in one camera body). It's awesome to see artistry in a relatively new medium.
@uwewinkler2820
@uwewinkler2820 4 года назад
US ..what do they think ? they can come and just work ? they should look first in their own country how its works there for foreigners . get deported and banned besides payment for deportation depending on country.
@smitkalkani3974
@smitkalkani3974 4 года назад
Okay it's dinner time here and I am going to enjoy this beautiful video with delicious Indian food😊😊😊
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
Smit Kalkani I love knowing this. 🙏🙏
@michaelgarlickmovies
@michaelgarlickmovies 4 года назад
Your 'Conversations' videos are why I followed you, then I discovered your cinematic skills, artistic style and genuine empathy for everyone , every place and every experience you have. It is so rare to find authenticity in a TV host/presenter, that is why these videos are so great and why I am pleased when the monthly Patreon receipt arrives in my inbox.
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
Michael Garlick Thank you Michael. I love the Conversations series because I much prefer going deeper on a subject and covering things thoroughly. So glad you appreciate it.
@nellysorokko5665
@nellysorokko5665 4 года назад
You can take any classes of your interest that country offering and meet people and make friends
@karennassif2620
@karennassif2620 4 года назад
EVERYTHING that you have said is SO TRUE !!! this is the first time that i don't feel CRAZY about my experience in Italy.People don't understand how VERY VERY HARD it is to live in Italy and blend in. I tried to find ways to stay for 2 years , and like you said , you get rejected and i had to go back home sadly. you were on point about everything , i was nodding the whole video !! haha .... missing Florence so damn much
@fscamilo
@fscamilo 3 года назад
Despite moving to Italy with an Italian passport, I faced many of the challenges you describe in this video. The loss of personality in a foreign language is one of the worst. Comunque, it's a pleasure to watch your videos. Ciao.
@kaulevusara
@kaulevusara 4 года назад
Thanks again for the videos and allowing people to dream of a foreign country.
@silvanocalabresecala
@silvanocalabresecala 4 года назад
Wow as an Italian guy who always lived here in Italy, It's so fascinating hearing you speak about my country! I hope i can meet you one day! One think i believe about building relationships in Italy is not because they're not friendly but it's because they're too lazy to learn an extra language like English so it could become difficult to merge into other cultures, they're too stuck in their world i believe. I say "them" because i am not lazy like them i love English as a language i learned it with my American friends! :)
@navidsoleimani2848
@navidsoleimani2848 4 года назад
I hope Matteo Salvini gets re-elected
@nancyparmelee4161
@nancyparmelee4161 4 года назад
Silvano Calabrese That is the best way to learn a language. To speak with friends or family, at the dinner table, buying things in a store or restaurant. When I grew up in New York my father spoke Italian around his family because my grandparents spoke little to no English. Everyone spoke Italian so they could understand. They were from Naples so they spoke the dialect , my aunt was from Calabria she spoke that dialect but they all understood. I regret that he did not teach me when I was a child. It’s so much easier when you are a child. Many people spend years in high school and college learning a language but never really speak it fluently because they are not using it everyday. Now my grandparents are gone and my father passed at age 97, he never forgot his language and I wish he had taught me so I would still have a piece of my heritage.
@silvanocalabresecala
@silvanocalabresecala 4 года назад
@@nancyparmelee4161 i totally agree with you, i don't think you need school to learn a language, you can easily learn it bout your self! If i can suggest you a tip ; Listen Italian everyday even if you don't understand it! Listening is the first step to memorise it, actually we do this when we're kids so it's a pretty natural way to get involved into it :) Italian is not easy, especially with all the dialects we have! it's pretty messed up, don't focus on that but do focus on clean Italian. Good luck! :)
@didonegiuliano3547
@didonegiuliano3547 4 года назад
navid soleimani we all hope so
@deepdiver849
@deepdiver849 4 года назад
What is our identity anyway? Aren’t we defined by what we experience and react to every time...?
@RagazzaInk
@RagazzaInk 4 года назад
Human Tales that’s so true !
@davidantony2734
@davidantony2734 4 года назад
Spent summer 2001 in Firenze. Just got to work there again sooner rather than later.
@valbastiancontraio2795
@valbastiancontraio2795 4 года назад
I was born here and I hate ıt , with this crisis and the aweful management of covid Italy has become a bad place I am leaving and I am going tu Turkey
@mariasantoro5708
@mariasantoro5708 4 года назад
I can totally relate to some of the things you say about being an expat. It is something that people who have never tried anything similar would never ever understand. Italians who criticise you for your contents have no idea of what you have gone through to get where you are nor understand the feelings you have for a foreign Country when you fall in love with it. I had the very same experiences and emotions that you describe but I moved from Italy to Sydney. I lived there for 5 years and I can’t say that settling in Australia was as difficult as it is in Italy (despite the Visa). I live in London now but I’m still dreaming to go back to Oz. Sometimes I wish I had the same drive to live a dream life in Italy as you do. Keep up the good work.
@nataliechusovitina4838
@nataliechusovitina4838 4 года назад
Girls, thank you for this! I found myself in the same situation but in China. I was thinking that something wrong with me, but after this video I realiseyour story is my story. Pretty much the same Wow ! Thank you very much
@aranoguera8945
@aranoguera8945 4 года назад
OMG! I am so glad I found your channel! I have been living in Italy for 5 years. I have felt so isolated because I have not met anyone with similar experiences and emotions. Thank you for sharing so candidly.
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
Ara Noguera 😘😘😘😘
@colinberry276
@colinberry276 4 года назад
Omg...funny conversation. Was in Florence (Antella) 93-94 on a Fulbright and it's not much different...remember standing in the line at the Questura. Anyway, best experience ever. The charm, the, art, the history, the culture is so enticing. My wife and I now do short trips every couple of years...try to dip back into Italy, but also want to see new places too.
@pile333
@pile333 4 года назад
Pollo ai peperoni? Si vede che hai vissuto per anni a Roma.😁 P.s. sì, i tuoi video lunghi li vedo a pezzi. Me li godo a pezzi.
@lililalou7620
@lililalou7620 4 года назад
Italy and Italian are the best in the world. It's is very easy to make true friends than the rest of the world. Not only true friend, they will be your family. They're are not fake. They know to give love and receive love. They're' family oriented. Yes you don't get good professional job, because most people are educated and it's not enough to themselves. It's every countries problem. Technology took the job. If you are not choosing work, you can work, save money and enjoy the life. You've so many benefits. You don't live the whole your life until death with credit like some countries. I can't explain enough about beautiful Italy and Italian with my broken English. Ma ma Mia! I love the country and the people. You are in my heart for ever. I miss you all. May God bless Italy and the rest of theworld.
@MartinezTaymi
@MartinezTaymi 4 года назад
Kylie, I just recently came across your RU-vid Channel and I am obsessed. I was searching for information on how to move to Italy and WALA I got you. Your videos are so instrumental and love your work. Keep it going !!!!!
@TheMatrim1985
@TheMatrim1985 4 года назад
I love what you do! Such excellent work. As an Italian expat in the US, I have to say your story, work and beautiful photography painfully remind me so very much of my country and its atmospheres. You really are an Italian - well deserved, Kylie! And thanks Lauren for sharing your story of struggle and courage, I relate a lot, as I am sure do all the expats watching this video.
@Peoplehatethetruth
@Peoplehatethetruth 4 года назад
I visited Italy in October and I can’t stop thinking about it ♥️.
@lauragraham1122
@lauragraham1122 4 года назад
The 2 of you are hilarious !!! I can soooo feel and relate to the topics you are discussing. I came to Germany 25 years ago - I was a ballet dancer - now a Ballet master .... it's been a rocky road. Yet I wouldn't change a thing with all the traveling in the world I've done and the expansion of being I've experienced every day. Thanks for sharing... it made me remember my earlier years here! (I've worked and traveled a lot in Italia as well... and agree... I'd live there in a heartbeat!). xo
@TheJuG33
@TheJuG33 4 года назад
I'm french and I'm living in Spain and I understand you sooooo much... ^^' I mean I was during all the video "Oh mi god, me too! I feel the same! True story! I'm not alone" xD
@pile333
@pile333 4 года назад
It seems like the creators of those amazing gardens made them specifically for future drone video shooting. They are even more amazing at those altitudes.
@alexandrageorgieva1317
@alexandrageorgieva1317 4 года назад
Kylie, you're such an inspiration ! And Lauren was so much fun to watch ! I felt the positive energy that you both have!! Thank you for another great video that makes us smile and feel inspired to live the life we dream about and enjoy it with all its ups and downs.
@carlomigliardi
@carlomigliardi 4 года назад
Alexandra Georgieva True,ciao Lauren
@mandymanu7383
@mandymanu7383 4 года назад
What if you save like hell working mundane jobs in your own country and move there with some money to begin. Does that help? Jobs are becoming scarce everwhere
@KylieFlavell
@KylieFlavell 4 года назад
Mandy Manu Yes, that’s what I did for my first year. 😊
@mandymanu7383
@mandymanu7383 4 года назад
@@KylieFlavell thanks kylie, i have been dreaming of a better life in italy, being sick of the 9 to 5 rut in Australia. I now see that perhaps i need to approach my hope in a new way with better back up plans to make it happen. Thank you Kylie. Love your vids
@kaysee482
@kaysee482 4 года назад
I appreciate this content, very much. But good grief so much giggling and hair touching and hair flipping. Sheesh.
@WishIwasinItaly
@WishIwasinItaly 4 года назад
Kylie I think I am in Love 🥰. I really enjoy your RU-vid channel. I lived in Italy twice. Florence in 1987-89 and then Forli 2002 to 2006. Ill be back! Viva Italia 🇮🇹 This conversation you had was spot on. I have tons of frustrating stories that are beautiful and funny of life in Italy. Please visit Camogli. My Nonnas home town. TVB.
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