Copenhagen is a City of WEIRD Bicycle Bridges (and some don’t work well)

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Copenhagen Unboxed! This video was produced in collaboration with EIT Urban Mobility Academy. urbanmobilitycourses.eu
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Host: George Liu
Producer/Editor: Jedwin Mok
EIT Team: Malaurie Chokoualé Datou
Gautam Rao
Antoine Berwart
Outro: Carrie Jia
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@NotJustBikes 2 года назад

Great video as usual, George! Copenhagen is great ...

@UrbanCyclingInstitute 2 года назад

... but it's not Amsterdam ;)

@dyseskytten1 Год назад

@@UrbanCyclingInstitute But it is still the cycling capital of the world

@emielvogels397 Год назад

@@dyseskytten1 the ignorance..

@burgerpommes2001 Год назад

@@dyseskytten1 🤣

@dyseskytten1 Год назад

@@emielvogels397 The facts...

@drdewott9154 2 года назад

I mean as a Copenhagener you're quite right, despite Copenhagen being a front runner in urbanism back in the day, we're nowadays a black sheep that's taking 1 step forward and 2 steps backwards. I can also already warn you there are no plans for downtown BRT systems (heck Bus lanes have actually been removed in a few places, and bus service was massively cut back after the opening of the M3 line), and trams are an even bigger can of worms. There are plans and funding allocated for an 8km long light rail line starting from Nørrebro in the Northwest, continuing further northwest into the suburbs via Husum to Gladsaxe trafikplads, actually following the city's last old tram line for much of it, but the opposition to it is strong with people claiming it'll kill the businesses and both people and politicians even comparing tram tracks to the Berlin Wall It doesn't help that the city of Copenhagen has actively removed trees in a massive amount of spaces over the last 10 years. Their new "redesigned" parks tend to be worse than the parks that were before it, and one park near the central hospital is looking like its gonna be completely gone as they plan on widening an arterial road there (yes they are seriously planning to do that and I hate it.) I mean heck at the same hospital they recently demolished affordable housing for nurses and doctors on the hospital grounds to make way for a parking garage, if that doesn't tell you the priorities of this city IDK what does. Also the Copenhagen metro actually does have underground parking garages but they are so poorly designed that nobody uses them, and the bikes in there more often are not are stolen bikes that thieves just store them in since nobody else goes in there. And like, I want this city to become better, but the current people in charge are more willing to blow 27 billion DKK on an underground highway through the harbour than on developing something more useful. Like with that money you could convert most of the A-bus lines to high capacity tramways! It doesn't help that the city has no congestion charge, with proposals over the years being turned down again and again and again. It doesn't help one of the biggest subjects of the municipal election 2 months ago was the matter of parking spaces. Copenhagen has roughly 125.000 municipal parking spaces, and an additional 80.000 privately owned ones, and the streets are completely overcrowded with cars to the point where essential services like carpenters, plumbers, garbage trucks, and ambulances can't find anywhere to be with the private entrepeneurs especially often declining customers in those areas or simply accounting for the parking fines into their budget.

@Foobarski Год назад

One big thing they could do, was to charge fair market rates for those 125.000 municipal parking spaces. Currently local residents can get access to them at penny on the dollar of their actual market rate. The ekstra city income could then be spend on infrastructure like bicycle paths or underground parking. Unfortunately, mentioning this idea to car owning Copenhageners and they will get angry.

@drdewott9154 Год назад

@@Foobarski Yeah, Copenhageners are not exactly a fan of such ideas, even if its one of the only shots we have left. Heck even more recent talks of roadpricing puts the suggested prices at VERY LOW levels, and weird and stupid solutions like it all going through a phone app. At least we're finally seeing some good changes like speed limit reductions throughout the city and a bit more funding towards bicycle infrastructure. But again compared to some of the car related projects going on its pennies!

@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 4 месяца назад

As an old man, I know from experience that Trams using the roads, among the other traffic, are a Pest, even now being, for some reason, named "Light Rails"? If in a separate system, they may be fine, though we often hear of severe accidents from the few new places now using them in Denmark. I somewhat look forward to see how they will be functioning in the new, Ring System Trams, not far from where I live, near Copenhagen, as most rails are at least now away from the roads, and only crossing those, when a major road crosses the tracks.

@peterslegers6121 2 года назад

It's the best, according to that one Danish marketeer. 🤣 The scores so far: 1. 18/20 NLD Utrecht 2. 17/20 NLD Rotterdam 3. 16/20 DNK Copenhagen 3. 16/20 NLD Zaandam 5. 14/20 CAN Montreal

@TobiasJakobs Год назад

Now I'd like to see Münster (Germany) and Paris in the list.

@torrawel 2 года назад

Yes I'm not Danish but Dutch so probably biased. But when I was in Copenhagen in 2018, I was actually quite surprised and a bit disappointed... It didn't feel bike friendly at all. It's much more a walking city and I wish Amsterdam had such a fantastic water taxi service. But cycling? Not really... There aren't that many protected bike lanes, parking seems indeed to be a problem (although Amsterdam is not ideal either and often a mess), but what shocked me the most: cars... A lot of them! Way more than in Amsterdam. Even if that might not be true (I don't know, have to check that), it felt like it. It felt like a very car friendly city. A plus to finish then ? The metro system is awesome. A lot better than in Amsterdam! Update: so I was right about the feeling. In Copenhagen the ratio bike car is about 1:1 (both about 250.000) In Amsterdam it's officially about 1:5 in the bike's favor (200.000 versus 1 million). I suppose that explains quite well the different feeling I had...

@meibing4912 2 года назад

Your numbers are completely off. Not sure where you got this from? Copenhagen is - by far - the Capital in the world with the largest share of cyclists.

@torrawel 2 года назад

@@meibing4912 I agree. I just googled it because I couldn't find the numbers. Do you have official numbers by the local government? If you want I could give you the official numbers of the Amsterdam municipality. However, the feeling remains. I would feel unsafe in Copenhagen. Amsterdam is not great either compared to Dutch standards, but still cars are less dominant and it also looked as if there was less bike infrastructure in Copenhagen.

@Kvadraten376 2 года назад

You probably spent a lot of time in the city center, which is not very bicycle friendly. But the network of protected bike lanes is very expansive and very well connected and cohesive. But you have to go outside the city center, where many people don’t live anyway, to see it. But it is true that Copenhagen is a weird combination of bikes and cars. Worth noting is the relationship between the city and its many low-density suburbs. When people cite numbers that point to CPH as the worlds bicycle capital, it only includes Copenhagen municipality and not the 15 urban municipalities around it. Many of the cars in the city come outside the central city.

@torrawel 2 года назад

@@Kvadraten376 "where many people don't live anyway"... That's a pity... The Amsterdam suburbs and the municipalities around it also, in general, have better infrastructure. The guy from @NotJustBikes made some cool videos about it. What do people in Copenhagen consider to be the city centre ? The pre-19th century town? Or is the 19th century included? Is it the area within the Søerne? Is Christiania counted? In Amsterdam, it is the 17th century town. Since I had to be at the university mainly, I didn't do all the tourist stuff. My hotel was somewhere behind the central train station, an area that, I guess, probably is not counted as city centre, right ?

@Kvadraten376 2 года назад

@@torrawel For clarification: Not many people live in the city centre so I would distinguish between the “city centre” and “central Copenhagen” where the first is everything within the the former fortifications, including Christianshavn. This area is mostly commercial and can more or less be compared to everything inside the canal rings of AMS. “Central Copenhagen” or just “the city” is the dense part of the larger urban area. The density in Greater Copenhagen drops very sharply outside central Copenhagen and expands quite far out from there. I think area-wise that the Copenhagen urban area is larger than Amsterdams despite a lower population. The suburbs actually have great bike infrastructure (best rated in surveys) but not everyone uses it, because mobility patterns caused by the location of jobs and population are a bit more complex than in Amsterdam. In Amsterdam the urban and transit structure around Zuidas is absolutely genius and I wish we could’ve done the same. Taking the wider metropolitan area into account (2 mio. people) the area has experienced urban sprawl, and this explains why there are so many cars in central Copenhagen. Most of them are from outside the city. “Holiday cars” are also starting to become a problem. As incomes has risen sharply over the last years, many city families are buying cars that they only use a couple of times per month. This takes up valuable space.

@KlausBioMadsen 2 года назад

Very fitting reggaeton soundtrack! Thanks for the video, cheers from Copenhagen

@markb6978 2 года назад

I was really impressed by the bike infrastructure in Copenhagen! Sure, not quite up to Dutch standards yet, but they’re doing really well. My biggest gripe was that they haven’t figured out left turns for cyclists yet.

@GerbenV90 2 года назад

No, where as in The Netherlands they have a separate section to stand still so you don’t block the lane to go straight through, in copenhagen they just put a light on that same lane to turn left and everybody stops behind eachother. Super impractical 😆

@nanjing78654 2 года назад

your cinematography is insane!

@HCforLife1 Год назад

Need to visit Copenhagen - greetings from Poland

@timettes 2 года назад

I'm dutch and currently living in Copenhagen and I couldn't agree more, the bike infrastructure is good for sure, but nothing comepared to the dutch fully integrated system. And the Danes do follow the rules too much I think, I've gotten a lot of evil stares from elderly people in my time here already.

@lensboel 2 года назад

It's interesting having the opposite view on things. I find Amsterdam way to chaotic because nobody follows the rules compared to Copenhagen. That said, I think Amsterdam does have the superior bike infrastructure. Especially protected left turns is missing and being dumped into the right turning lane is always iffy!

@timettes 2 года назад

@@lensboel I'm pretty sure the preference of chaos or no chaos is a cultural difference in this case. For the record, I do love biking in Copenhagen and it is by far the best city I've biked in. Outside of my home country of course

@lensboel 2 года назад

@@timettes Yeah, that might very well be true! I do wish that I will get to explore The Netherlands more!

@markuselias6017 2 года назад

Great video! Copenhagen is a lovely city. Been there 3 times, and the last time we biked around the city, all the way to Dragør (close to the international airport). Copenhagen definitely has a lot of good infrastructure, but it's also lacking a lot of things. Too many painted unprotected bike lanes next to busy roads, and they are not always marked very well. It's hard to find places to park bikes. Some lanes are too narrow, others are really wide. And what's up with those scary intersections? They really made me feel uncomfortable. There are also sooooo many cars, especially in the heart of the city. Crazy! I would say it's probably one of the better cities for bikers, but Dutch cities are definitely steps ahead for sure. I always thought Copenhagen was a green city with a lot of trees, until I watched this video.

@klaasdeboer8106 2 года назад

There is the most beautifull bridge in the Netherlands close to where I live, nesciobridge Amsterdam. which has a serous flaw in an important detail: the slope varies wildly during the climb, so that you can't ride it in one gear, and the steepest parts are way steeper then necessary. It is a very nice bridge for running training though, and as preparation for cycling abroad, I have ridden circles with this bridge and another one with my saddle bags full of bricks. I have allso combined training with utility by transporting several metric tonnes of sea clay from the Diemerpark where they had dredged a ditch, to my garden which was way too sandy after renovation.

@Paul_C 2 года назад

Where are the trees?

@seriousstreeter382 2 года назад

Please, visit us in Vienna! That would be a great pleasure.

@The-Dutch-Way 2 года назад

On the RU-vid channel of EIT Urban Mobility you find two more videos made by George Liu on: Innsbruck and Munich.

@UrbanCyclingInstitute Год назад

coming very soon... ;)

@GerbenV90 2 года назад

I actually cycled on the super wide lane because just down the bridge is a bike rental. But because it goes from a narrow lane into this insanely wide ‘cyling only’ lane we kind of panicked because we thought we took the wrong turn into the car lane section 😂. At the mall side of the bridge the super wide lane turns into a super narrow lane with a side lane towards the snake bridge. It’s all a bit confusing if you’re a “first user”.

@matienlaciudad Год назад

"Would you like biking down an airplane runway?" Me, who visited the Tempelhof airport in Berlin: Already done that. lol

@larsh8560 2 года назад

Being a cyclist in Copenhagen I completely agree with the score. Many things work well, but some of the bridges and bridge entrances/exits are really odd. I don't care much for bikesharing as most people here have their own bikes, but point taken.

@agaistin 2 года назад

Please, come to Dublin.

@markovermeer1394 2 года назад

It looks like Copenhagen gets serious competition from Paris. I agree with your observation that there are quite a lot of significant mistakes in the road design. My impression is that the focus is too much on "making space for bikes", where it can better be "share the streets optimally" with only as side effect good bike and pedestrian facilities. 'The Live-Sized City's comparison in ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0Ggh1Jx7--o.html is really out-dated. Facts like size of bicycle garages is soooo important.

@Kvadraten376 2 года назад

The importance of bicycle garages is relative to the specific city I would say. In Copenhagen it’s very easy to get to regional rail without biking very far, so the there’s less need for giant garages like in Utrecht.

@markovermeer1394 2 года назад

@@Kvadraten376 I think you wanted to express yourself a bit differently... even when you can reach regional rail without biking far, you still have to park a bike. You probably mean to get there by foot, tram or metro ;-)

@Kvadraten376 2 года назад

@@markovermeer1394 No, what I implied was that some stations have a larger “catchment area” of local commuters, and therefore need more capacity in bicycle garages. A city with many smaller stations require less. I never claimed that stations in Copenhagen have no facilities, because they do. But they are smaller and using underground parking is seen as a waste of time by many. You have to view it in context to understand why that is. Personally, I use the central station to catch regional trains on my commute, but I get there by biking to my local metro station and then I take the metro to the central station. The surface bicycle parking at that local metro station is sufficient. Some places the parking capacity is too low, like Nørreport station, and I’m definitely critical of that. My original point was that it’s still a matter of context. Although I mostly agree with them, sometimes Dutch urbanites have a tendency to say that anything that isn’t Dutch is, per definition, bad. We do things differently in Copenhagen, for better or worse, and I think a bit of open-mindedness from both sides is needed.

@Kvadraten376 2 года назад

@@kakadorez11 yes I’m highly critical of Copenhagen urban planning and a huge fan on Dutch solutions. No nationalism here, I’m just hoping for an informed and nuanced debate.

@tim333y7 2 года назад

Good video

@garyharty1902 2 года назад

Copenhagen was our first cycling experience outside of North American. With that perspective 4 out 5 seems pretty great to me. Come to Lakewood Colorado and rate our mobility score. I would be surprised if we were to score 4 out of 20 on urban mobility. Cheers.

@Brabour 2 года назад

Waiting for the enraged Kopenhagen city marketeer...

@dwfidler 2 года назад

Do Amsterdam next!

@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 4 месяца назад

Having trees on a bridge may not be the brightest idea, from the trees point of view? And though wide, it may be full during rush-hours?

@Jorn6460 2 года назад

Maybe I'm spoiled, as I am from the Netherlands, where everyone has their own bike. But giving the same weight to the score for the bikeshare, as to the cycling experience, seems a little off to me.

@knudplesner Год назад

You have not seen all the underground bicycle parking halls located at the Metro and S-train stations There are two types of bus stops, and there are same number of each type: 1) bus stop next to a cycle path, where cyclists must give way to intersecting bus passengers. 2) bus stop with sidewalk on both sides of the cycle path, where on the other hand bus passengers must give way to cyclists.

@johanlugthart7782 2 года назад

Talking about wide bike paths on an airport: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LjprkOprmg4.html Bike path in the Netherlands on an old landing strip

@SwiftySanders 2 года назад

Rate NYC next.

@dimrrider9133 Год назад

Been there and its lovely but i only would price the public tranform because cycling is very dangerous there ame as walking but yes i survived Ishoj ;p

@user-mt8dr8vr3n Год назад

Taipei Score🤔 Transit 3 Cycling 1 Walking 1 Bike-share 4 Total 9 😰😡😮‍💨🤧🥺😭

@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920 2 года назад

Are there any amount of cars you could see in a city that wouldn't make you downgrade their score?

@freudsigmund72 2 года назад

it is not just the amount of cars, but the experience the human in the city has with the cars in the city. Based on the proximity to and separation from motor traffic.

@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920 2 года назад

@@freudsigmund72 I see that the channel owner hearted your comment so I'll reply to it asking for some clarification. Maybe you could do a video on what you think the ideal solution is for cars in cities, based on the human experience. Because it seems that they have to be accommodated somehow.

@freudsigmund72 2 года назад

@@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920 I am no video content creator, so I am not the right person to make this. That being said, my statement follows the line of thought presented by George Liu in many of his video's and video's in which he features. Besides it is merely logical that the amount of motor traffic is irrelevant to the score, as the score is based on the perception of the human. If there is a relative small amount of cars, but the cyclist or pedestrian has to navigate through those few cars it is way worse than when there is a lot of motorized traffic and all is completely separated from cyclists and pedestrians. The channel Not Just Bikes has a number of really interesting video's on the systems behind this idea. Two you may want to check out, if you haven't already are: Traffic calming is everywhere: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bAxRYrpbnuA.html and Bike calming is everywhere: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-c1l75QqRR48.html

@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920 2 года назад

@@freudsigmund72 Thanks I'm familiar with all these I was just trying to get a response from the video creator since I've watched several of his videos.

@HiopX 2 года назад

Copenhagen is the bicycle capital of the world Dutch: meh, 4/5

@burgerpommes2001 2 года назад

Is Copenhagen really 1/3 closer to Montreal than to perfect?

@Hairfire Год назад

Nuce video, thanks! I think you'd very much trash Aarhus, DK if you made a review there. But bureaucracy and sad political scene makes Denmark worse and worse at cycling.

@Gert-DK Год назад

Too wide cycle road? Do you want a bridge that expands depending on how many cyclists there are? Have you thought about rush hour. More trees? In a city where you can't bike more than 5 minutes without meeting a park or common green area? I find that it is a very shallow report you made.

@burgerpommes2001 Год назад

You seem a little protective about the city and dismiss valid criticism because of half sentences

@Gert-DK Год назад

@@burgerpommes2001 Calling the bridge to wide, is a sign he doesn't have clue. In rush hour the bridges a congested, that's why the bridge is wide.

@burgerpommes2001 Год назад

@@Gert-DK the bridge is congested because the intersection at the end of it is a shitshow and it takes years to plan do rebuild it

@Gert-DK Год назад

@@burgerpommes2001 And make it smaller will help?

@burgerpommes2001 Год назад

@@Gert-DK of course not This was just a half sentence of personal opinion that he doesn't like riding on this wide bridge ad he would like some planters It is not the reason cycling got a 4/5

@Gert-DK 14 дней назад

Don't know how you will get your bike out?? I have been biking all my life (I am 63), it has never been a problem. Wake up! Have you ever been biking? You forgot a transportation method. The Regional trains, they are actually very important. Each 20 min to Sweden, North to Helsingør, South to Næstved and Vest to Kalundborg. These trains transport thousands of people each day, to and from school and work, they are actually a cornerstone in Copenhagen transport. It is the same train that brings you from the airport to Copenhagen Central Station in no time.

@KHValby 2 месяца назад

Friend. Familiarize yourself with our bicycle rules before you choose to criticize them. When a bus stops and there is no space in between the sidewalk and the Bus, for passengers to stand on or off, cyclists have to stop. Allowing passengers on and off. Locals know this. Been to North America several times. Don't think that you get to attack our Biking Culture. You basically have none, corresponding to Europe. The problem with cycling tourists in Copenhagen is that they don't want to spend five minutes learning the traffic code and rules. Copenhagen is NOT the place to learn Cycling, if you don't know how to👎! Sorry Dude, but we expect Tourist to know the rules, before getting on a bike and setting out into the City! Otherwise they risk getting yelled at, getting injured/killed or fined. Pedestrians first. Cyclists second, motorists third! If I get hit on my way into or out of a Bus, by a Cyclist. He/she is gonna have a really bad day! Just saying...😌 Cycling for us is not for fun. its a practical way of getting back and forth. The city of CPH knows there's a problem with Cycle "parking" and planning for better options in the future. Apart from that. CPH can date its History back to the 8th century. There are limits to what we´re gonna and can do to our City, to please Cyclist 😊 ! I know your not a bad person, trashing my City.., but you do lack context! 😊! 5-7 different "bike-share" options here: Most of them being E-bikes. An electric scooter here requires a helmet, which the companies won't pay for.., so.... ! Context dude.., Context! How to bike in CPH: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-H42KjIkO8SA.html

@meibing4912 2 года назад

Dutch cycling may be more relaxed, but people in Amsterdam are more afraid of cycling than Copenhageners are - and with good reason - as its more dangerous to ride in Amsterdam than in Copenhagen.

@meibing4912 2 года назад

@@kakadorez11 both Copenhagen and Amsterdam publish excellent yearly cycling reports, which is what I look at. 2020 of course a special year traffic wise, so 2018-19 gives a better impression of the overall situation. Have not seen any 2021vreports yet.

@meibing4912 2 года назад

@@kakadorez11 just check the stats! Btw I have heard that Nijmegen is a great place to bike. I'll have to visit one day.

@Kvadraten376 2 года назад

@@kakadorez11 I lived in Amsterdam before moving back to Copenhagen and my conclusion was that I had many more conflict situations in Amsterdam than in Copenhagen.. However, in Copenhagen unsafe situations more often involves cars and the risk of serious injuries, where in Amsterdam conflicts were mostly just with all the crappy bicyclists and scooters. The weird thing about Copenhagen is, that accidents are very rare. Depending on the source, the risk of serious accident is pretty much the same in the two cities. This is because Danish infrastructure is much less developed by designers, but based on experiences with monitoring accident rates. Because of this, the Danish bicycle community have had to fight a lot in recent years for recognising that the “feeling of safety” is also important as well as the “statistic safety”

@meibing4912 2 года назад

@@Kvadraten376 they measure the "feeling of safety" every year with I believe some 10 - 14.000 interviews (at least used to be in that range) - what more do you want? As for accidents there are more fatalities and serious accidents in Amsterdam. I have not seen any comparable stats that show a different picture. Some people try to claim that if you "correct" for kilometers driven and do not just look at the individual risk for cyclists the difference narrows somewhat. I am not a fan of trying to "improve" safety by arguing about stats and I am 100% sure that people are more concerned about what may happen if they take a bike ride than if it happens on the first or last 100 meters. I look to other cities in Holland for inspiration myself i.e. Groningen but we can all learn from each other. The profound succes of Copenhagen is that it turned the tide and got lots of people to start biking again. Outside of Copenhagen the rest of Denmark lags far behind.

@719559 2 года назад

Dutch payed....

@yellfire 2 года назад

@@kakadorez11 Urban Cycling Institute is located in Amsterdam tho

@hendman4083 2 года назад

When you are involved in doing research, promotion and education of urban cycling, as a means of creating liveable cities, where else would you want to be located?