Your note about the seamstress thing got me thinking about the Greek mythos Athena and the Spider. Arachne, a great and beautiful seamstress, challenged Athena into a weaving competition, claiming that she was the better seamstress. Arachne, who dared to challenge and offend Athena, faced the wrath and punishment of a god. Athena turned Arachne into a spider-like monstrosity to be forever feared and shunned. Much like she did with Medusa. The parallels can be drawn between The Beldam and Arachne, both sharing similarities between a spider/insect, and a passion for weaving and the arts. It's also worth noting that Athena is the greek goddess of wisdom and war. Throughout the entire movie, it can be said that Coraline represented Athena, and the "game" played between Coraline and the Beldam, is the competition in the myth. Not necessarily a battle between who the better seamstress was, but a battle of wits. Coraline stood no chance against the Beldam if she played by her rules in her own game. She instead "cheated' and outsmarted her, emerging victorious in the end.
WaterFox Hmm, that could make sense. Considering the fact that Tartarus was considered the Greek version of hell, where souls went to be judged and forever tormented in eternal punishment, and acted as a gigantic prison, it could tie in with how the Beldam would be forever trapped, both figuratively and literally, in the well and in her own world, where she would slowly decay from the lack of souls to keep her "alive". It is also said that the fall into the abyss of Tartarus was a very long one, and if one were to fall, it would feel like the pit was bottomless. Plus the fact that Tartarus is host to many great lakes, which is semi-related to the whole well thing and water, but that might be stretching it.
so what if coraline is simbolic of athena, since like shes the goddess of wisedom and coraline uses tricks to defeat the beldam, or is that to much of a stretch? (im getting most of my mythology knowledge from fictional chapter books.)
Celestial Dragon hmm that reminds me of how if ppl died in greek mythology, living ppl would put money in their lips/mouths and so that they can pay the one guy(cant remember his name)to takr them to the underworld to the gate so their souls could be judged ,and if u cant pay for the ride then the soul is trapped between the world of the living and the dead, sorta like limbo, what if this whole other world is like a sort of limbo, bc the beldam was suddenly found missing so she would not have been able to "pay" for a ride to be judged, and so she is stuck there and her soul being drained, as it cant be judged so insted it will just vanish? but to keep that from happening she sacrifices the kids to keep her alive? hmm maybe be streaching with the whole greek mythology symbolism but idk i think it seems sort of interesting
Jose Galvan That _is_ very interesting. And I believe the one you were talking about was Charon. For a price, he brought deceased souls onto his boat and across the rivers Acheron and Styx I believe, which acted as the "border" between the mortal realm and the underworld. Though I don't remember if those who didn't pay him didn't get judged, but I do know that they have to instead cross the rivers on foot by themselves, which took decades if not a hundred years. Many would soon just lose their mind and soul, withering away into the void as a lost soul.
(EXPAND, PLEASE READ!) For the sake of this comment, I'm naming The Other Mother Agnes, before she turned into the Beldam. Imagine this story: Agnes was human, she moved to a new region and demanded a house, so the PP (Pink Palace) was built. She had a son, with whom she lived alone, along with a cat. But the house was too big for someone like her to clean by herself. This explains the entrance of Mr. Lovat (Mrs. Lovat's grandfather, Wybie's grandmother). Remember that the palace has MORE than 150 years, doing the math and knowing that the original story (book) was released in 2002, we have 2002-150 = 1852. Then we know that the palace was built BEFORE (but not long before) that. I'm not being racist or anything, but slavery was something that existed at the time. This also explains why the Lovat family home is apart from the PP. The servants would do the tasks of the PP but they would live in a separate house. According to the information the film gives us, we can see that Caroline's parents do not pay much attention to her and feeling isolated she leaves the house to explore and be distracted. Trying to put that logic into Agnes's story, perhaps on a certain day, her own son would also have gone exploring. Unfortunately, the child fell into a well and died. One possibility is that perhaps Agnes has seen traces left by the child until she reached an open pit, in which she slowly descent and found her son's corpse. In the despair of loneliness, she decided to use black magic in hopes of recovering her son. Maybe Agnes could not relive the child in his own body, but perhaps she could transfer his soul to another body. But in order to be able to give life, another must be sacrificed. Then, at the child's death site (the well) Agnes took her cat (or perhaps it simply followed her) and his slave, Mr. Lovat. She began the ritual in which she would sacrifice Mr. Lovat so that his soul could be replaced by her son's soul. I do not know if the intention was for the child's soul to remain in the body of the slave or not. But the truth is that the soul got stuck in the cat. But somehow BOTH the souls got stuck in the animal, the child's and the recently sacrificed slave. What Agnes wasn't expecting is that black magic always comes with a price. The price was the following: 1. Agnes would be trapped in a new plane of existence, her own prison world. 2. Whenever the cat was on the PW (Prison World), or somewhere near a place where it got affected by the magic that resurrected him, the slaves’ soul would rise, and whenever it left, or didn’t get affected by the magic, the boy’s soul would rise. This way, her son could live, but the real price was that she could never see him or hear his voice again (this explains why she doesn’t like cats, as she feels betrayed by the magic by not being able to see her son). Then, with the magic that got trapped with her on the PW she built a happy place, a version of the house where her and her son would have been happy (that is why he is smiling in the painting and why there is no well on the PW). This way, Agnes slowly became the Beldam: A lonely creature that once was a woman who lost her son and became immortal, only being able to remain alive by trying to do what made her transform, giving love to children. She lures children into her PW, giving them a better version of their lives so that they willingly stay with her forever, giving her their souls. What this also explains is why the Lovat family knows the PP’s secret, never letting children living or going near the place. One day, a mistake was made, and the current Lovat generation had twins and one of them got lured and fell into the Beldams trap. The sister who lived then knew everything her father didn’t tell her. When she grew up, she transformed the PP into apartments, but never renting it to families with kids. This was until her family had another baby (her grandson) that would live with her and which she named Wyborn (from Why-Born) since him being born would only make him a new target. So she decided to rent an apartment on the PP to a family with a child, the Jones family, that had Coraline. The rest happened along the movie. PLEASE READ THIS BECAUSE IT TOOK ME HOURS TO WRITE XD I'M A BIG FAN AND I LOVE YOUR THEORIES; KEEP UP WITH THE GOOD WORK!
paiN Fuzzy that is a lot of thinking about they should have made a coraline 2 or 3 because the first could have been the bedlam’s story then this would be a lot more interesting
Ok. This may not be a thing but I noticed this. You said the tunnel was like a throat. We see the bedlam swallow the key during the movie. And I don't think it appears again until Coraline gets back to the real world. Also, the bedlam is keeping the place alive with her own soul. Maybe the other world literally IS the beldam. I'm not sure though. Um not too confident but maybe this will help some
So when the world is deteriorating, it really means that her ‘hunger’ is slowly starting to kill her like how a normal person would starve. I like this
In the book, Coraline thinks that "whatever that corridor was was older by far than the other mother. It was deep, and slow, and it knew that she was there". In the film, there are those toys and cobwebs after Coraline rejects the Other Mother's proposal - the script by Selick states that "A COLD WIND blows from the dark passageway, now filled with SPIDER WEBS and the SHOES, COATS, AND HATS of other kids who tried to escape." If we're taking the film and book as a single source, then make of it what you will.
I really want to hear your theory on why Wybie gave Coraline that doll. I mean, if he knew that the doll was as old as the house, wouldn't he find it strange it looked precisely like Coraline? And even when she pointed that out, he completely ignored it! Please like this if you want this Explained!
ThatEmoGirl551 I said that actually in his last one. Like, the fact that Wybie went next to the well/portal, the Beldamn somehow influenced him to give the Doll to Coraline.
Or better yet when the doll moves like when coraline first discovered the door the doll led her to it and it moved throughout the movie but how? Does the other mother have a power to control things in other worlds or can she come into the real world
I think that's why his grandma got mad at him and asked for the doll back cause she has found out about it. Off topic: but if the grandmother knew about the entire situation with coraline, I found it really weird when she met coraline and said something like "oh, hello" as if she was surprised shes even alive or something. Just a thought
Hello I noticed that the other mother in the beginning opens a window to a night full of stars when the doll floats in. then remeber that wibie says that if you fall in the well you will see a night full of stars and that is exactly what we see in the opening scene in the other mothers world. Which could mean maybe that is a hate way to the other world but the other mother can send dolls into world though the night space with stars in the opening scene.what I'm trying to say is that well is fir sure a gate way!!😉
What if the Beldams sewing room is in the well somehow? Like how Wybie said how if you look down, you’ll see a sky full of stars, and the sewing room is like a portal to the real world, seeing how she can send things to it, and it looks like it’s in space somewhere. With lots of stars. In the other world, I’m guessing the room is at the very top part of the house, seeing how you said it’s triangular and looks like an attic. And in attics you’ll find lots of stuff you’ve previously owned, or stuff you don’t want anyone else to find. Again, sorry for commenting so much, but your videos make me think. And when I think, I can’t stop thinking.
The Theorizer said in an earlier video that the beldam has some control over the real world. What if the sewing room in the opening scene of the movie is a mid-way point between the two worlds, and that's how the Coraline doll gets so easily to the pink palace. And what if the room is IN the pink palace IN the real world??
This is actually excellent thinking. This makes more sense than a lot of theories I've heard. It explains the sky full of stars detail. It must be where she retreats to when she's gone and creates the world from. She drops the doll out the window and it floats through space into the real world.
T Scanlan Do you mean maybe the only way to get into the hidden room in the palace is through the well? Like it's walled off (the empty apartment maybe) and the way to get to it is the well. And it's her sewing room. Which could make sense why the door that used to lead to the empty apartment magically leads to the created "other" world. And why the sewing room has a green light like the study which turns into the giant web. It takes place in the empty apartment in seperate dimensions. What do you think? Am I contradicting myself?
Hello, I am Mega 3. I think she might have chosen a spider-like form due to the story of Arachne. Arachne was a very boastful seamstress, bragging even the gods couldnt sew better than her. Athena, I believe it was, came down and challenged Arachne to a competition. Arachne's patterns were said to be beautiful and flawless, but the goddess was sewing quicker, and much more beautifully. In the end, the goddess turned Arachne into a spider. She was doomed to have an ugly body, but was able to sew for the rest of her days. Maybe the Beldam is representative of Arachne?
I have a theory. So, as many others have realized and wondered about, did the Beldam have a husband? My theory is that she possibly did, but she didn’t want him in her Other World. So, she didn’t kill him, but put his soul into the cat. This would explain why the cat can talk and claws her eyes out. He is angry she trapped him in the cats body. This may be a stretch, but maybe he helps Coroline and the other kids try to defeat her because he doesn’t want anyone else to get trapped in the Beldams Other World. This is absolutely nuts and I have nothing else to say about it, so yeah lol.
Me I have 1 boy cat that lives outside and 1 pregnant cat that lives inside with 4 of her other daughters, so I personally too know that they have multiple personalities.
There isn’t a lot about cats and possession, but there is a common theme in mythology that cats are powerfully. The Egyptians worshipped them and feared them saying the cat had a dual nature of divine and demonic while Hebrews aka Israelites viewed them as the “demons of the desert” as they were nocturnal creatures and associated with the night/darkness. There is one thing: on the Malay Archipelago there was a creature called the bajang which was a deformed human spirit that took the guise of the cat to gain access to villages and wreak havoc.
Vicente Nunez in malay myth,spirits can aslo shape shift into an animal called musang,its lik a ferret type animal but sometimes kidnapped children to dome
For the Black Cat Edgar Allan Poe has a short story entitled “The Black Cat”. I highly recommend reading it a few times. Maybe you’ll come up with something.
I love these Coraline theories so freaking much! This movie is so complicated, and every theory that sounds crazy, once you think about it, is reasonable. You do so much research, and delve deeper than anyone else could into this film. This movie is so amazingly created, it’s so mysterious, creepy, strange, and seems almost real. There aren’t many people who can do it justice, but you’re definitely one who can.
Ok, so another thing I noticed rewatching the movie yesterday: In the song the Other Father sings, there's the line "When she goes exploring her mom and I will never ever make it boring, our eyes will be on Coraline." I'm thinking that maybe this line is hinting that the other mother can always see her. That she's keeping track of things, even without the doll, watching Coraline's adventures, then making sure that she gets a better version in the other world. And yes, the gloves are an example of this, but another is Wybie. When the Other Wybie is introduced, Coraline had only spoken to him twice. Both times without the doll (I think). Yet, somehow, the Other Mother knew that Coraline would prefer him to speak less. And Spink and Forcibal. Coraline saw the poster of what they were in their prime without the doll there, but the very next time in the other world, there they are back looking the same as they did in the poster. And then there's the simple fact that the Beldam knew exactly what Ciraline looked like to make the doll in the first place. Weird?
in the book when coralline is going through the portal she feels like something is behind her watching her not the bedlam something different something darker something more evil
My theory: coraline is the new beldam. The beldam died at the end of the movie. It’s not just the dying thing. In the beginning and middle coralines real parents were not paying attention to her but at the end her real parents were nice. There is something off. Someone’s mom and dad can’t not pay attention in the beginning and nice at the end. Come on, the beldam wanted to sew buttons into coralines eyes. If one beldam died that would mean the kids who had buttons sewn in their eyes could have been the next beldam. There’s something off about the movie. But as I said earlier the kids who had buttons for eyes would be the next beldam but coraline didn’t want buttons for eyes.
If the well and the door are both entrances to the other world and the door is in the other world then where does the well lead to? It must lead somewhere inside the house! Maybe in the attic where the Beldam’s sewing room could be...
We both had kind of a similar comment because I thought maybe the her sewing room was hidden in the well because then it makes sense why she doesn't make the well because that is where the sewing is but she just covers it up with it looking like there is nothing there. I think that there might be something in the sewing room that would defeat the belldame. It would really make Ames why she doesn't show the well because that is another portal and coralline could escape by having the well she would have to block two entrances
Most people would consider this parts milking the franchise but you can tell this guy really loves this movie and makes it feel like a new fresh theory
Their is a theory. When corline escapes the house of course she sees her parents come back but it is the other mother who controled Corlines world but tricking her into its her world so Corline didn't escape basically the other mother won. But HEY ITS A THEORY A MOVIE THEORY!
Please like so he can see. Her sawing room is at the bottom of the well uts obvius becaose waybe( or however its spelled) once said that if you fall down the well you could see thousand stars and in the opening scene when she throws the doll what can you see..: stars
So what if Vermin and Mr.Lovat are the same cat because Vermin was the ORIGINAL cat? Like, regardless of if Vermin is the Beldam's son or the original Other World inhabitant, what if the Beldam made the cat body for him so he could move back and forth, then Mr.Lovat possessed the cat body himself? Theoretically, the things She creates can have duel purposes, like the doll with Coraline's mother on one side and her father on the other. The cat is basically a more complicated doll for the soul to inhabit, and the reason he doesn't have button eyes like a doll is because it already has a soul in it, so it has real eyes.
@@ladybug8495 Always had the feeling that Coraline's grandmother was ACTUALLY the other mother. That's why the other mother still kinda looked like Coraline's mother, even in her "true form".
@@ladybug8495 Her Grandmother couldn't have owned it originally, the pink palace was 150 years old when they moved in, being built in the mid 1800s. Her parents look to be 25-35, born in around the 1970s and their parents a couple of decades earlier, the earliest being the 1930s.
When you first proposed there being 2 different cats I wasn’t sold, *BUT THIS VIDEO IS SO EYE OPENING !!!* (excuse the pun ! ) THE TWO SEPARATE SOULS DEFINITELY MAKES MORE SENSE
Bituin Kleinman-Mell I wouldnt say terrible. Sure its not as good as avatar the last airbender but its still good ( i thought that seasons 1 and especially 3 were great ). The only bad season was season 2.
I had literally been thinking about the two soul theory the moment before you mentioned it. It just popped into my mind the moment you mentioned those plot holes.
Anne Omare right here. But my brother can't sleep for three days if I MENTION it to him. One of these days I swear to god, I'm gonna wake hin up with buttons on my eyes.
But the fnaf content was bad. This is good. Even though I'm not a fan of this movie it's interesting and the level of depth he gathers from the smallest things is intriguing.
I think the sewing room would be where the parents room would be in the real world. Because in the Coraline DS game that door in the other world is locked and the other mother acts weird when you try to get in.
Random fact: The movie studio that made Coraline, Laika, is also situated in Oregon just like the movie Coraline, which is cool because that means they didn't have to look hard for the area code and phone number and stuff, they just used their own, knowing it would match for the movie. And yeah, a lot of effort and time and research and thought was put into this movie, I saw the Laika exhibit at a museum (which was an amazing experience, by the way) and I got to see all the stuff for Coraline and all their other movies, it was really cool and showed just how much EFFORT that was put into them. It was also cool to see how the Pink Palace just looked like an antique jumbo dollhouse, the characters were slightly smaller than Barbie dolls, the masks that they used for different expressions were miniature, and they even had the tiny outfits that the characters wore. But then with everything so tiny, the big skeleton guy for Kubo was like 20-30 feet tall and was incredibly intricate.
So, I have some tiny details, what happened to the bedlam, if she is a seamstress, and her husband? Also, the bridal has a hunched back is that a detail that's important, or the fact that, if the bedlam creates characters from objects, could she have created vermin from an object? For example a piece of clothing? Or maybe the ice cream come? These are just thoughts on this situation Eh. Edit: if the beldam had a husband, and she has an avid obsession with spiders, could she have eaten him?
Maybe she wanted to go to the other world but to become the "boss" of it or how she masters it she had to sacrifice and eat that person. And she chose her husband for it.
Ok ok. The sewing room. I'm pretty sure (roughly 90%sure) that it is a real room. On the second or third day, depending on which way you look at it, Coraline asks her mome "so what do you think is in the other apartment ". I believe it was stated in one video that there were more areas in the house (it's a HUGE house). The sewing room could quiet possibly be in the apartment next to it. Which might also explain why the tunnel is leading into the room as it is practically the heart of the demention thing. Another theory to somewhat help the theory that the little boy was a victim, possibly the first. seeing how there is no other evidence of him in the other world besides the picture and the possible uniform, I'm sure it's safe to believe that the little boy might be the "soul sand". How else could the other mother bring things to life with sand? Even with magic, that's hard core. The little boy could have been somehow petrified (maybe by a spider might?) And ended up turning into stone like the rest of the world did when coraline found the eyes. He ran out of time trying the beat the seamstress in a game. When he failed, he didnt except it but he was so close to leaving that the magic started losing? I dont know. There is an explanation for it, I can come up with a story that works, just not now.
Ok, two things. One is the bones of a possible theory, the other is an observation that can probably(?????) be used as evidence. 1st: The Beldam very much reminds me of the greek myth of Arachne. Arachne was a seamstress who was famous for her beautiful tapestries. I don't know how much you know about tapestry of the time, but that shit was HARD. Look at the material of your shirt really closely. Nowadays, we have machines to get all those little threads in line. Back then, they had to use a loom and line everything up themselves like a giant, ultra- complex puzzle. Arachne made it look easy. She would sit by her window and weave beautiful tapestries depicting monsters with faces so terrifying it was like they could jump from the canvas and attack you, beaches so detailed that you could pick out grains of sand, and it was beautiful. A croud of people would gather at her window to watch her work, and she would give out the tapestries for free, even though it was mostly just kings who could afford them. One day, somebody shouted that Arachne was so good, she must have been taught by athena herself (Athena was the goddes who was said to have invented weaving). Arachne did NOT take it as a complement. She said something about how she had built herself up from nothing, how she didn't need a silly goddess, and how she was probaby better than Athena, anyway. Athena took that moment to make her entrance. Blazing armor, spear, the works. Most of Arachne's adoring fans groveled. Arachne looked Athena in the eye and held her head high. Athena asked her to apologize. Arachne's pride wouldn't allow it. Instead, they ended up having a weaving contest. Athena depicted the gods in all their glory on mount Olympus, the punishments of every mortal to wrong them down below. Arachne's tapestry made the gods look stupid, showing every horrible, ridiculous thing the gods had ever done. Zeus's assault victims, Pandora and her box, Aphrodite, that one time she married a mortal, Apollo, that one time he skinned a Satyr... Afterwards, Athena judged the tapestries and declared it a draw. And then she beat the living crap out of Arachne for her dissrespect. The croud began to cheer and yell, like all idiot mortals do when somebody else gets the beating. Then, Athena turned to scold them for cheering. As she did, Arachne attempted to hang herself, but Athena, seeing this as cowardice, turned her into the first spider, to weave forevermore. The myth is a lesson on pride. I'm thinking something simmilar happened to the Beldam? Maybe? 2nd: Ok, so this one isn't as interesting. Bassically, there's that song that the other father sings when she first gets to the other world and it contains the line, "She's as cute as a button in the eyes of everyone who's laid their eyes on Coraline." Now, obviously this is a double entendre, but what if it's also some light foreshadowing to the idea that she never left the other world? What if everyone has buttons now, metaphorically? Idk, just an idea. EDIT: Another thing: according to most lore on the subject, cats are servants of witches. Especially black cats.
In the Coraline book, theres another room/apartment. she only explored the basement and living room. my theory is that the room she didnt explore; the attic. I belive the attic is the sewing room, possibley the beldam's work area when she sewed doll's clothes. She possibley had kids in her past life, which explains why she has a craving for childen. Vermin could be the family pet and was very close to her. He could've followed her into her magic world when a second spirit took place into his body. Her potential past life husband has possibly planked up the old room where the beldam possibly died and was consumed by the dark magic. Her kids could've played in her old dungeon as an extra play room. The reason she keeps her dead victims in the dungeon. the possible reason thats its behind the mirror, they had a plasict mirror that they had to hide the play dungeon. The beldam's past hobby was potentialy to look for spiders and make plushies for her kids. Why you can see the webs that the spiders she kept to make plushie replacas stayed in het house without knowing. Another theory why she has a cravibg for kids is one of her kids died because he/she was bitten by an accidentel venoimus spider that killed him/her in their sleep. The sand could've represented as the beach were another child of hers drowned by the power of a wave. She could've been able to tell every color because her husband liked to paint and have art projects. Potentialy painting the house with her help. She could've suffered depression and starved herself in younger ages explaining why in her form in the last scenes she has a small waist. My second theory is really short. Coraline is your typical only child that likes adventures. And the color blue. Only one time her "adventure" was dangerous because she was to small. resulting in her getting knocked out caused her to be delyirus and imangine every thing in the movie only to be her imangation. Yet the voices you hear are the voices she picked up from the people that helped her abd her parents. the beldams voice could be the voice of a potential nurse, the cats a doctor. Ok i have to stop my friend is coming over bye.
Your theories actually inspired me to make a character loosely based on this movie. If the magic and real world seep into one another, why can't someone with a button eye exist in the real real world. Making them slightly tethered to the void of magic but still able to the real world
Hmmm..... I'm curious about something. Why was it the Beldam's hand could move in the "real" world if she herself could never leave before? Could this support that Coraline is stuck in a deeper version of the Beldam's world? So, if there is a being that controls that world and had brought the Beldam there in the first place, could this mean that the Beldam is just like the kids that got trapped by her? The difference, of course, her being older and going insane enough as to lure kids in to keep herself alive. But... Coraline got away so to speak and the Beldam was appearing very close to death based on her true appearance. Without a kid she's meant to die... but if Coraline is stuck in that world unknowingly... and the Beldam dies... could that mean that Coraline could end up to be the next Beldam? This could help explain why the cat smiled; Coraline is trapped. The being, if there is one, would have someone else to ruin and thus the real evil plan was successful: push the Beldam closer to her own death so a new person could take her place. It makes sense, the cat helped to save her to gain her trust just as the Beldam did by being a "better" mother to kids. Coraline wouldn't be trying to escape since she'd have no clue that she's even trapped and the Beldam will have no child to keep herself going. For all we know that dream of the ghosts being "set free" could have been the being trying to trick her, there's no knowing if the kids are actually free. And what was with the weird colors for that dream anyways? It was so... Van Gogh "Starry Night" ....... he saw what no one else saw in the dark night... there's no telling what we didn't see in the light of the Beldam's world when it wasn't all there. Most of the movie did take place at night.... maybe it was a clue.
For the hand part, her hands were clearly made of metal and needles which aren’t organically apart of a human or life form, hence why it could move. She could “disattach” it, and maneuver it with her magic, or say neurological powers, to guide it.
I remember being 5 and this movie scaring the shit out of me. I had a theory the mom and other mother were the same person because they looked similar. You know, not like that was the whole point of her appearance or anything😂
What if the cat is actually two people and the semstress is controlling the other half of the other cat her vermin whenever the cat is in the other world they change souls like the hulk he switches and hulk can actually choose to be BANNER OR HULK SO VERMIN CAN SWITCH WICH IS WHY NEAR THE END OF THE MOVIE VERMIN SMILES BUT THE OTHER CAT WYBIES GRANDFATHER CANT CONTROLL IT
I feel like the attic/sewing room is in the pink palace. It just seems to fit the overall vibe of the complex, and coraline's mom said in reference to the bricks behind the door to the portal, "they must have blocked this off when they divided up the house," so there could be a whole other room or apartment that the residents don't know about, and her hand is able to survive in the real world, so she could easily come in and out to do the sewing and send it out, but it could also be at the bottom of the well, because when the beldam releases the doll out the window it appears to be a starry night, and wybie said if you fall in, you see a sky full of stars in the middle of the day.
I think there's one more thing that seems like a plothole to me. The mice. When Coraline first meets Mister Bobinski in the real world he tells her that the mice said she shouldn't go through the door. So they warned her and tried to save her. Why did the mice knew about the Beldam? Then, when Coraline is in the other world the cat shows us that the mice are only rats and help the Beldam. And the mice even led Coraline to the portal for the first time. It doesn't fit together. So are the mice in the real world different than the ones in the other world? But that wouldn't make sense either. And we already know that the mice can move through little portals what they do all the time. The more I think about it, the more confusing it seems to me. I really hope that you would touch on this topic in a future video, maybe you can find an explanation
i think the theorizer has said that most of the mice went to the beldam and some was left with bobinsky (long time ago ). The mice with him know what happened to the other mice and know about the beldam
I swear every time I watch these theories there is another one and I’m omg this is insane😂 I think there are two cats, I mean if the beldam has a child, who’s the father? Idk I was just thinking about that, like if she had a child wouldn’t the child have a dad I mean there are many reasons why her son doesn’t have a dad in the movie, but I mean I wanna know like it’s interesting🤨
This is just a cool little thing I noticed. When you said that the other world is feeding off of the beldam and it explains her spider like figure it reminded me of the story of Arachne, and another coincidence, Arachne was a weaver.
And I have something else to say, remember when coraline first arrived at her new pink palace house?? She went out and explored the whole place, before going to the well.... she passed a place that had trees but no leaves on them, so it was fall, I’ll tell u why, as u can see when coraline took out the poison oak from the tree the tree was supposed to be green if it was summer or spring or winter, but instead it was orange and pink. So that means it was fall. Anyway let’s focus on the real thing here. When coraline finally escaped from the other mother and locked the door at the end of the film, she was going out to throw the key into the well. The part that she passed that had no leaves, HAD leaves. Do u maybe think that the other mother took her to a fake world? And at the end of the film when it was morning, mr. Bobinski was planing ROSES, how???? So I think that the other mother sent her to a fake world while she is acting like her real mother.
I absolutely love your channel. Can you please do a Coco theory? Also a friend of mine noted on your second Monster House video that Zee may have been part of the band. For the Coco theory you could try to explain the importance of the marigold petals. You could also tackle why a dead persons pic needs to be on display. Also you could theorize about Hectors body how it was never found and identified. Maybe Ernesto removed all items of identification.
The Beldam was already losing energy and knew that only keeping the world active would drain it quicker so she would need 3 things. 1: A living room - somewhere she can just lie down and sleep 2: Equipment - She needs the materials required for her to take action in luring childre 3: the most important thing that’s she only needs: Her sewing room - She’s a seamstress, she loves sowing and most of all she uses it to create new dolls and feast on her lifestyle to life more and more.
For the cat theory that there are 2 souls im thinking maybe the cat has a double personality? One being the original and the other being Vermin,thats my own little theroy
What if the reason the cat smiles when the key is put down the well again is due to it just being happy that the key cannot fall into the wrong hands again
I like the parallel made between the 'tunnel' being much alike a throat or esophagus. It got me thinking about why the Beldam swallowed the key and was able to regurgitate it back up to open the door again, just for Coraline to escape with the key. The Beldam probably knew that Coraline would try and get rid of the key (via the well) and so she let her do exactly that. If the tunnel and well are the main 'portals' into the 'other world' AND being described as 'alive' and much like a human throat, it would also explain why it was dusty and filled with spiderwebs AND TOYS OF KIDS SOULS SHE TRIED TO SWALLOW!!! She is losing her magical powers by the end of the film so the tunnel/throat would reflect that as well. I like to think of this as a little Easter Egg the filmmakers added into the film to try and symbolize the connection between the 2 main portals being the Beldam's 'throat'/connection to the real world, and that the key is BACK IN HER POSSESSION AND READY TO TRY AGAIN!!! I dunno that's just my theory :3 I hope you read this The Theorizer!!!
Here's my theory, the well in the real world leads to that attic, the attic of the house. And that is, like what you suspected; a kind of heavenly place of the otherworld where the belldame weaves all of the normal otherworld together. Which then the belldame creates the holes like the ones the cat goes through ect, for access
The rumor about the sky full of stars in the middle of the day isn’t a rumor and that even proves how the well is another portal. If you fall down the well you’ll end up in the other world, and in the middle of the day in the other world is a sky full of stars. I just noticed this, if you have already cool but like this movie has so many layers
