Core Truths: Intel's Unbelievable Series of Own Goals 

Who did they hire to make this PowerPoint presentation? Userbenchmarks?

This intel marketing thing was the most bizarre thing I’ve ever seen a big company put out.

Good to see the UserBenchmark lad finally land a job at Intel!

The comparison of writing styles between the slide deck and user benchmark though...I'm convinced the slides and site are written by the same zealot at intel.

I wish I would have known this before going to MP3-to-MIDI school

this has userbenchmark written all over it

"Latest doesn't mean better" Thanks Intel 🥶

The thing about needing the latest technology to learn isn't even correct - I'm a 2nd year CS student and the newest CPU I've ever used is a Ryzen 2700X. Unless you're an engineer and need to do CFD or some shit, even a 10 year old CPU will suffice

Userbenchmarks guy finally got what he always craved for: a job at Intel's marketing department.

If the education thing was real , no one from a third world country would ever be able to study because very few students are able to buy the newest hardware and if they do , won't upgrade for a long time

Hearing caboosing in a higher pitch at 8:43 immediately transcended me to a state of pure euphoria. keep it up

Very happy seeing someone mention BAPCo, and how it’s effectively just an Intel MCP program branch of their company lol. It was also registered with intels Santa Clara campus address. Also crossmark exists to attack apple / ARM, hence the cross part of crossmark it’s a benchmark software to try and compare ARM and Intel x86 products

this kind of marketing tends to point me towards their competitors. Because to me talking down on the competition only serves to indicate that they are desperate

I have been on Intel since the first ice age, but that changed a month ago, I now have a full AMD system for the first time ever, can't say I am disappointed.

intel should spend more time improving their hardware instead of picking on amd. not saying amd is innocent though…

Now tell me Userbenchmark isn't sponsored by Intel

I've always found it hard to trust Intel. They have a long history of lying about or telling half-truths about features of their products. For example: When criticizing Intel's 486 SX, OG System Shock programmer Mark LeBlanc said "The SX stood for 'Sucks', because the floating point math function," which was one of the primary features of the SX "was totally broken." And they NEVER FIXED IT. Plus, there is some evidence that they played a role in certain allegations against AMD. I won't get into that much, here.

Very well made and informative video. I get that this isn't something that gets the most views but I appreciate you tons for making it!

You have to understand what Intel means by "customer" and "consumer". It's a difference you might not agree with. But end users are just consumers. Customers are purely SI and OEMs, partners are a level higher than that. So these slides are targeted towards laptop OEM "customers" executives. Because there is reporting that a lot of laptop OEMs are only putting amd CPUs in their products. And intel wants to win rhem back purely on marketing talk. This isnt meant as a communication directly from into to consumers that endup buying a laptop. Its meant to give oems more marketing talking points. AMD had their "advance ai" event yesterday and Intel will gave their AI PC a few days from now.

I laughed out loud during the "MP3 to MIDI" part.

If you read the techincal footnotes for June 2023, they claimed the Ryzen 7 chips are 6 core parts when they're 8 core parts. I'm kinda surprised that hardly anyone has picked up on that.

I just learned that 7520U is Mendocino, which is a NEW chip. As in, it's not a renamed old chip (Renoir), but rather an actual new tapeout (new mask set) chip. Its goal is to make a physically small (i.e. cheap) chip for the low-end market, using Zen2 cores and TSMC's 6N process. It has an actual reason to exist, in my opinion.

Gotta love how "AI and machine learning" is such a big talking point in those slides, yet the GPU is more important in that regard than the CPU. Moreover, it's the VRAM amount that is often the limiting factor, at least when using consumer grade hardware.

Phil, do you think Intel hired their strongest soldier from userbenchmark?

I scored a 12900k for 100 bucks a year ago. Some wholesaler was getting rid of them. Love it!

Wtf is this weird "wow this whole video is AI" brigade going on??? Just because he used a couple AI-generated images?

There's a persistent rumor that laptop OEMs are disappointed in Meteor Lake, with it supposedly being worse than Raptor Lake in some cases (I wonder if the cancellation of Meteor Lake desktop variants has anything to do with that), and will be leaning onto AMD instead. Their deals must've honestly been amazing if it took them this long to realize that Intel has been under performing and delaying products for years, meanwhile AMD has been executing perfectly since Ryzen.

What’s bizarre to me about the education argument is that outside of niche use cases, the average student (at least in the US) is using a computer that’s at the bottom of the barrel in terms of performance. Typically something like an Intel Pentium or Celeron slapped on a board with 4GB of memory for use in a Chromebook or other comparable low-power laptop.

will you make a video about "The talos principle 2"? I really love your videos where you talk about your experience you've had with a game you enjoy. Like Hexcells, dirt rally, kingdom come... Keep up the content you are 2kliks and kliksphilip are great.

I mentioned this elsewhere, but when I looked up the Crossmark scores, I immediately knew it reeked of bullshit when I saw a 12600K on a B660 outperforming the 13900K(S) on a Z790 by several thousand points. (I didn't mention the Xeon listed in the chart because I didn't pay nearly as much attention to that, to say nothing of my more limited knowledge of HEDT/workstation stuff, but the 12600K also had a large lead over one.)

i'm going to go out on a limb and say this was an early draft of a presentation set up by a marketing rep that wasn't supposed to go out when it did

Using a distorted version of Caboosing for UserBenchmark is so fitting

Ryan Shrout's style is all over it 😂 Remember "cores glued together"? 😂

Back in early 2000's when Intel was neck-deep in Netburst doo-doo, they tried to launch a desperate campaign about how AMD is making misleading implications with the Athlon XP 's 2000+, 2200+ and such model numbers, as those numbers did not match the actual clock speed of the processor. True enough, they didn't, and according to AMD's official statement it was a number for meaningful comparison to the previous generation Athlon processors, but in truth they meant performance comparable to the P-IV clock speeds. Intel pulled the plug real fast when they realized telling people how their super high speed processors struggled against AMD's much fewer clock cycles and lower energy consumption was aiming at their own foot.

2kliksphilip, ive been watching your videos for years, and I know what you sound like. I don't know how prople think the voice is ai generated. If something was off, I'd know it. These people don't know what they're talking about.

Incredible, now I want to swap my i7 for an AMD chip. Thanks intel!

Can't believe you misspelled userwinchbark

I'm not sure what AMD is doing is misleading. They have an excellent portfolio of technologies and it makes it easier and more cost effective to rework into a new product lineup than other segmentation methods. The 7520U is leveraging Zen 2 architecture with RDNA2 graphics supporting LPDDR5 on a 6nm process. It's an small 100mm2 inexpensive low-end low power monolithic processor that provides enough processing power for the word processing, web crawling, and email reading public. It's a smart strategy to leverage Zen 2, Zen 3, and Zen4 along with RDNA2 and 3. It's called a lineup for the 7000 series. Intel does it but hides the fact under the E-core misnomer. The average person buys solely on price and what the idiots at Best Buy tells them, so I'm not sure what all the whining and pearl clutching is all about.

my worry is that this presentation is made more for big company higher-ups that manufacture laptops and such than us tech enthusiasts. Problem is that I'm sure there are people who have lots of decision making power who would fall for this...

Can't believe the ubermenchbark guy finally landed a job at Intel. I'm so happy for him

4:54 Esports is top of the list of Students' Needs, apparently.

Huh? What's with the sudden "AI generated" accusations? Is there something in the water?

Just realised I've been watching your channels for 10 years now

Great vid im definitely team amd at present because the power draw is less and electricity costs money. 65W draw from a ryzen 9 is ideal

I seriously appreciate the thumbnail of this video

I watch this wonderful and informative video... so I look at the comments and it's full of the same "is this AI generated?" comments... My brain is melting. I can't tell if the comments are AI generated or if this is all some odd joke.

This is what I want this chanel content to be about, small stuff, but interesting beyond news.

Reusing old chip designs with slight improvements under a new name is completely fair imo. Old designs for low end and new ones for high end makes sense also. I do not see a problem with this as long as nobody claims their chips are new architecture.

Esports thing is funny because its usually the exact opposite on how its normally marketed with low end cpu's being touted as E-sports. As Esports labeled games are generally made to run well on weaker or older hardware..

intel will hopefully never fall behind as much as AMD did during the pre ryzen era. its a bad thing for consumers if there is no real competition. that being said, I have always been an AMD user, even when the god awful fx 8370 (that I owned and used until the 5000 series dropped) was the top of the line. so this type of goofy shenanigans from intel vindicates my decision to stick with them during their worst lmao

The age associations sounds like some kind of creepy tech horoscope for kids.

Id love a simple comment on what benchmark suite to use since bad ones were brought up.

6:57 hearing that from philip made me somewhat surprised but also happy

Used to code on i3-2100, no issues unless compiling something BIG. Idk why you would need a newest hardware to run MS Teams classes.

I have an intel 10700f which I’ve used and liked over the last 3 years. I am shopping for a new cpu and motherboard for the first time. This presentation convinced me to get a 7600x.

4:15 man I just hate when kids educational chances are ruined because their computers take 50 milliseconds longer to convert mp3 to MIDI :(

Always watch these vids while drinking coffee in the morning hehe

Imagine how fast you could convert MP3 to MIDI in Ableton Live! Definitely a daily task most elementary students have to struggle with. Think of their education!

Impressive shit, I could swear this presentation was a well-made joke by some random youtuber, but it turned out it is actual stuff intel made, insane! I don't think I'll be able to process all this in anytime soon, it is just too crazy to me

That intel core truth is literally me in an exam when they ask me to expand on your answer,just repeating the same. Sentence with little difference and without really knowing the answer

Always thought that it's very weird for companies to dritectly mention a competitior or a competitors product in their ads. That's not legal here.

intelbenchmark went full cpubenchlarkmark

the absolute bluntness shown talking about BAPCo's site caught me off guard but i support it

the "rambling" at 8:20 looks completely normal upon inspection. he's making a cogent point pretty efficiently there.

I'm glad you pointed out that user benchmark site. It's always at or near the top of searches for CPUs and GPUs and has that blatant anti-AMD bias you mentioned. I'm a fan of both AMD and Intel. I like great products and they both make great products.

I knew you were gonna bring up User Dredge Shark.

As far as I can tell most of the Raptor Lake mobile parts are Raptor Lake in name only (they don't include additional cache over Alder Lake mobile) so even if we assume they were talking about mobile parts on number 2, it's still wrong.

This seems like the training material I used to take to get a steep discount on intel processors back when I worked retail.

That ending was golden.

"Your cigarettes are toasted. Everyone else's cigarettes are poison"

Last upgrade 2017/19 spent about $3k+ i7.900k and rtx 2080super waterforce (that cost me$1600) all watercooled prices stil the same in 2023 thats how good they were just bought a 4wd and be out camping fishing gold detecting & catching up with old mates havent drivin since 2010 so the ball game will be +100% in adventure getting old so time is the essence fishing camping gold uno out there doing real chit again enjoying the wild life the serenity of it all :) Dad a guys selling a 10ft boat for $550 Tell him he's dreaming ha! that aussie movie is a classic

Who made the slides? I think it was the supervisor of the person who writes the MSI manuals

Converting MP3s to MIDIs? That's actually a thing? Haha.. This is the first I've ever heard of this.

I really wonder what compelled Intel to make this. Like, what benefit does it serve?

Everytime a new Kliksphilip video comes out a puppy gets adopted

Any brand that spends its time trashing its competitors rather than selling itself isn't worth your time. Hell I had an 11400f that died on me the other day after only 2 years of light usage.

I love intel but they are digging their own grave every quarter of the year

I was a NVIDEA / Intel fanboy. But if I would create a new setup these days I would probably go for AMD.

I think maybe Intel hired the owner of Userbenchmark to make this!

05:26 Oh, i see something weird. Data science & simulation and modeling are supposed to be in "students, ages 11-14" group. Can you imagine 11 year old doing data science?

Damn this is a good video.

2:28 Yes and no. The 7000 lineup for old Ryzen architectures adds DDR5 support, that Zen2 and Zen3/3+, didn't have. And the naming scheme has been publicly announced and clarifies the architecture right there. And yes, as you speculated, this is only for laptops. The example used by intel, the 7520U, says: 2023 Ryzen 5 processor, with Zen 2 architecture, lower/regular model, low consumption (*). If you presented me with a 8945HX (just to say a random number, no idea if it will ever exist) I could as easily tell you that it's a processor released in 2024, Ryzen 9, Zen4, higher model, with highest consumption and performance available (55W+ TDP), so ideal for extremely heavy multi-tasking workloads, like high res streaming of CPU intensive games, and your battery life and lifespan will suck, as that puppy needs to be plugged almost all the time once you factor it will be paired with an equally high end / high consuming GPU. And this is information publicly announced by AMD, with reviewers memeing about the decoder disc they got with the announcement, not hidden under rags like intel 14th gen alleged 7nm when it's actually the same 10 nm architecture as the 12th generation, just rebranded as "Intel 7" and they still upcoming 7 nm processors that will now be, if we are lucky, the 15th gen, instead of the 14th as they had announced, being made by the foundry that makes AMD's 4 nm processors, because intel is uncapable of manufacturing them themselves. So while a laptop carrying a Ryzen 5 7520U technically has a similar CPU (based on the same technology, at least) to a 2021 Ryzen 5 5500U, perhaps even inferior in some regards, I know off the bat that the silicon is less degraded (even if the 5500 was never used, silicon degrades passively over time), and that it is paired with vastly faster RAM (DDR5 vs DDR4, difference is insane) and newer (and potentially better or at least better optimized) GPU cores integrated (again with newer silicon), that will also benefit from the DDR5 RAM. (*) First number is the release year: 7 = 2023, 8 = 2024, add 1 for each year. Second is the processor: 1/2 are Athlon, 3/4 are Ryzen 3, 5/6 are Ryzen 5, 7 Ryzen is 7, 8 can be Ryzen 7 or 9, and 9 is Ryzen 9 Third number represents the architecture: 1 for Zen1/Zen1+, 2 for Zen2, and so on. Fourth number usually means nothing, unless there are 2 processors in the same segment, in which case 0 means the one with a bit lower performance, 5 means the higher one. The letter represents the TDP: HX for 55W+ TDP, H for 35W+, U for 18-25W, same as C but that's for Chromebooks (so likely lower performance), and W is the same as U but fanless at 9W TDP (so with potentially restricted by firmware performance to stay cool). In this specific situation, higher TDP means higher performance, and it always means higher consumption, and heat generation. When comparing different systems (this doesn't apply here, but as general knowledge), instead of higer performance, higher TDP can mean the opposite, like an overexertion of an old/obsolete architecture to expunge a little extra performance so that it looks more marketable (as it happened with AMD's pre-Ryzen Bulldozer/Vishera architecture), and can lead to a shorter lifespan, thermal throttling decreasing its performance or needing more efficient/powerful cooling solutions, and other issues. It can also mean a difference in architecture, as it currently happens with Intel processors, that usually have a higher TDP regardless if they provide a lower, equal or higher performance than a given Ryzen, because their older architecture is about 1.5X~2X the size of AMD's, so it requires more power and generates more heat.

I dont mind older arch if it's binned better and decent, but the ryzen 5 7520u is quite sneaky because it's also a 4 core part while all r5 were 6 core in the previous series and they're a lot faster in multicore than this 'newer' Ryzen 5. I was actually buying a laptop with this chip till I googled the specs and was horrified by the trick...that said,... writing a book about it, by tue company who gave us endless rebrands and 5% 'performance' from gen 3 to gen 7 of its chips🙄

So, Intel is calling out AMD for... [checks notes] doing the same thing Intel is doing but being more transparent about it?

A much more focused look at this than GN's video, as they can tend to ramble quite a bit. I appreciated how you went and found the original scores, too!

Zen2 on laptop was released 2020, so Intel using desktop architecture release for a laptop comparison too

absolutely amazing video 👏

This desperation started when Intel laughed at AMD's "glued on chiplets" a few years ago, well close to ten years ago actually "You don't want GlUeD oN TzchipPletzz do you??" -Intel CEO, whoever that is

I'm convinced that these slides were made to cause controversy so that people talk about intel

I think the is a reason why Zen2 is still being used, besides being cheap, is the unparallell performance at lower TDP. Zen2 is more efficient at 15w and lower than Zen3 and Zen4, so it makes sense to still use it, even more with a upgraded node process (6nm).

As you said, I am also more interested in who in the management approved this and who the hell wrote all this

@8:02 What they achieved with me was that I switched to AMD and Radeon completely. I am probably not alone.

I think students need battery life more than the latest feature. And AMD trouses intel at that.

I was seriously considering switching to AMD both CPU and GPU before for a obvious reason- price point. But now... I will switch because of the stupidity of them

Yo 2klik, can you do a video on the top 5 optimized games all of time? Looking for a game to play on my Celeron laptop lmaoo

651 comments in and no-one has mentioned that CrossMark is made by BAPCO Labs, which is run by a non-profit consortium that includes Intel and its partners, but not AMD (after a lot of drama in the early 2000s and an FTC case regarding Intel cheating by skewing BAPCO benchmarks).

CONVERTING MP3S TO MIDI HOOOO BOY vinesauce joel flashbacks 4:22

Looking back on my history of laptops and computers, I generally had a mix of Intel and AMD parts. I had better experiences with AMD but that does not mean Intel parts were bad or terrible. But I do think they are not worth their usual prices. This marketing of Intel's is new to me though. Which it shouldn't. I should expect multi million and multi billion worth companies these days to make smear campaigns to make their products look better. It does not matter now if Intel makes decent products or not. Marketing like this taints their image and products- even if they end up making superior and more affordable parts.

The content like the content .. but the design as well. Everything looks like my midschool Powerpoint presentation I did on my knees , 30min before presenting it.

This misleading marketing is the reason why I look at specific benchmarks of programs I actually use before selecting hardware. Reviews are also a must to learn about potential problems or alternatives.