Steve angrily tells Karen he doesn't want to see her again.Steve tells Karen that although he still loves her he can't live with her; that by pretending to have killed Amy it wasn't just Tracy who suffered but him too.
I seriously think this has to be one of the strongest and finest performance by an actress I've ever seen on screen-absolutely Oscar winning acting here from Suranne.
These scenes are superb. I wish they gave Simon Gregson more dramatic material. It also reinforces that in spite of the claims of Corrie being about comedy and EE being about drama, that Corrie, when it tries, can produce some absolutely fantastic drama. It's made more real because the characters are not in constant misery.
i can see why suranne jones wanted to leave at the end, her character was very intense so i can only imagine how exhausted she must have felt by the time she left especially in emotional scenes like this.
@@markmorris7123 I do work in building sites and often work 7.30 to 5.30 or 7 to 6. I'm not comparing jobs though. I'm saying acting very intense scenes like Suranne had so many of would certainly be an exhausting task amid having to learn huge amounts of dialogue. Mike Reid [Frank from Eastenders] had to leave it in the 90s as he was doing a depression story amid his character's decline into a mental breakdown. Playing such intense scenes had an effect of Reid's own mental health and he had to be written out as he himself started suffering depression. Bill Treacher [ Arthur Fowler] said he too was playing a depression storyline and it affected his mental health and he'd go home in the evenings and cry some nights it was so draining on him and left him mentally exhausted. Furthermore, Michelle Ryan [Zoe Slater] had to be written out of Eastenders for several months in 2002 under doctors orders she admitted because it was during the era when the Slaters were heavily featured and she was playing very intense scenes and it began to affect her mental health and left her exhausted. Rowena Wallace who played Pat the Rat in Sons and Daughters said the same. Her character was a drunk and drug addict and Wallace said she was doing so many emotionally heavy scenes that it left her exhausted and she had to leave in the end. I've never acted myself but I can imagine if you were playing heavy emotional scenes day after day over a long term storyline arc it definitely would spill into your own life. You can't just switch it off. It stays with you.
I can understand Karen's frustration and breakdown as Tracy cruelly taunted Karen by calling her "Barren Karen" because she couldn't conceive which is so cruel and lorded it with the pram at Karen rubbing her nose in it , yes Steve shouldn't of cheated on her , he should of had access to Amy but without Tracy there so Karen might of had chance to bond with Amy and Tracy couldn't of tormented Karen then, but Steve taking Tracy's side in the end must of been the ultimate punch in the gut for Karen, I felt sorry for Karen in the end.
Karen's breakdown is harrowing, but Steve was right on this one. Even pretending to kill his daughter, Amy, was something that he couldn't overlook. Amy is his daughter, and Karen only sabotaged her own marriage by insisting that he deny Amy.
The irony was that Karen's jealously and anger were for nothing, it all stemmed from fear of tracey stealing steve but truth is that steve never felt anything for her.There was no threat there.
@Abbie Hazel Florence Hunter yea because the writers exhausted Steve's repetitive story line of drifting from 1 woman to the next so paired him with Tracey as there was nothing else to do with him rather than find him another woman. For much of 2005 though after Karen left, Steve repeatedly rejected Tracey's advances though until she got bored and finally moved on. If somebody better came along though Steve wouldn't think twice about abandoning her.
no Karen was in the wrong here, steve stood by her for months but karen wouldn't trust him and drove him away- she destroyed her marriage herself with her paranoia and obsession over tracey who steve would never have looked at twice.
What Karen did was despicable , though .... The poor woman was pushed to the brink ! The whole of her marriage and relationship with Steve , Karen has had to endure the wrath that is Tracy Barlow ! Yes .. she was needy and selfish though every step of the way , Tracy has been there , causing trouble , trying to ruin Karen and Steve's marriage ! Fast forward the end of this marriage and Tracy is still causing havoc in Steve's relationships ...
Tracy did cause Karen to become absolutely insane with jealousy, with her constant jibes and manipulations. Didn;t mean she got her man, (at the time), but she succeeded in destroying Karen really
Karen should have been the better person and rose above it and let Steve be a dad which she could see deep down but she choice to try ignore it. She destroyed herself just as much
Karen went way too far she provoked Tracy too far even provoking Steve glad he chucked her out if Karen did that to me and made me think I lost my daughter I would divorce her and send her to somewhere she hates to start a new life
Ohhh, Karen. How I miss her! I swear, Suranne Jones and Sally Lindsay were among my first girl crushes. So ironic they're now on the same show (good one btw, I first laid eyes on it while on vacation in Niagara Falls last fall.)
In a lot of ways, Karen is really striking a lot of attitude here. She claims that Steve didn't suffer when she lost her baby, and so justifies what she did by pretending to kill Steve's baby with Tracy. A more selfish person there never was. Tracy was evil, I grant you that, but not even SHE deserved what she got from Karen. And all because Karen wanted her to suffer! Karen was selfish here, and Steve was right in driving her out of his house and life for good!
never really got all the sympathy people had for karen tbh from what i saw she was just a selfish materialistic gobby cow who thought she had the right to control everything around her, as much as i dislike tracy i was rooting for her over karen during the majority of this story
Peter needs to come over Karen,s see what is going on Karen had a argument with Tracy and Amy that Karen kidnapping Amy why Karen drop off Amy to Roy and Haley why Karen what you done to Amy and Tracy what did Tracy done Karen had a argument over Steve and Liz and putting drugs in Karen husband vickum Peter need to punch Karen what she done
I feel like i'm in the minority, but I never cared much for Karen- her facial expression seemed to be a permanent sneer and she was very volatile, even before all this. Regardless, the acting here was superb
Tracy was going to spend Christmas with Peter, but left Amy in the car to quickly get something. Karen took that opportunity to steal the car and set fire to it, letting Tracy and Steve assume she’d done it with her inside and killed her, when actually Karen just wanted to torch the car, but when she discovered Amy was there, she torched it but then secretly took her to Roy.
@@ymarw1684 no steve had the one night stand with the girl and she left him for Joe. In fairness, she told Steve she wouldn't cheat on her marriage and she didn't.
I've never known a more self-centred narcissistic female character in Corrie than Karen McDonald. Nearly every other sentence out of her mouth was about herself, and most of her actions were self-serving. Liz was right. All she wanted to be perceived as was Queen of the Flamin' May rather than the brawling gobby slapper she really was. Steve will forever be better off without her 🎉
I actually hated Karen in this Episode. Not once did she think about Steve's feelings. It was all about her. She tried to cut both Amy and Liz out of Steve's life shortly after she and Steve got married. She wasn't that great a character
