Coros Cycling Computer Fail & Cycling Weekly Pick Bike of the Year | The NERO Show Ep. 88

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Bikes of the year award are being handed out, but what best are actually being testing and why is the industry using these are sales pitches. Zwift release a new bike, Coros enter the bike computer market and Mark Lewis is worries about your motivation.
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00:29 RU-vid Bikes Of The Year
5:54 Aero Bike Of The Year
11:12 Value Bike Of The Year
12:41 Climbing Bike Of The Year
16:28 Froth Bike Of The Year
20:18 Race Bike Of The Year
26:06 Ugly Zwift Bike
33:17 Dave Arthur Reviews WheelTop
40:46 Coros Bike Computer Disaster
55:23 Mark Lewis Motivation
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@chrisrouisse1690 11 дней назад

We don't care about Cycling Weekly badges, we only care about Nero badges.

@pierremaggi8661 11 дней назад

Chris wears the shirt Nero approved. Put that in the Nero shop

@ashurany 10 дней назад

🤣

@TheCyclingCardio 10 дней назад

😂😂😂👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

@ChrisMillerCycling 10 дней назад

The “holding its speed” rating 😂

@fraserherman8754 10 дней назад

I think you guys need to have a big shit on Canyon. They sell bikes they don't support! They WILL NOT sell the cp0018 cockpit full stop. If you crash, too bad, buy a new bike because their cockpits are made from unobtainium. Love my new Aeroad but can't move to a 120mm stem....rant over

@piltrid1 10 дней назад

Jesse saying that its not about motivation but discipline, is one of the most motivating things I've heard!

@johnnydarko8031 9 дней назад

VC preached this many moons ago.

@8rk 11 дней назад

Chris NAILED it on the cycling being multi-faceted. Exercise, meditation, your connection with nature. We're also gearheads and just like a "car-person" loves their cars and loves to look at them, we do that with bikes. It just ticks so many boxes. I've exercised ALL MY LIFE. But could never stick with it for more than 3 months at a time. Until I fell in love with cycling. In 9 years biggest time off bikes have been a month at most and that was just once. Rest have been 2 week vacation type breaks. Because I literally can't do without it anymore.

@Philatlondon1 10 дней назад

My motivation to get out the door this morning was very low. As soon as I did I was back in the groove.

@thereeder5rs 10 дней назад

@82vitt 10 дней назад

Same here, 9 years with maybe a week off, except when I crashed really badly in 2019 and was too sore.

@out_spocken 10 дней назад

Live to ride! I've spent 7 years post accident trying to get back to cycling because i know i love it and it's incomparable with anything else. It's why I ride when I should be resting...because I love riding. Addiction though probably isn't great. But my happiness in life is unequivocally linked to my Strava yearly distance/hours. Granted there are many days also it's a slog. WHere I stop after 5km and go home and feel crap. Motivation, commitment and everything good that comes with cycling doesn't always mean you can get out (especially when it's frikkin freezing!!). It does help a lot though.

@donbarnard82 7 дней назад

Yeah my comment is that it's probably harder for people who start an activity like running or cycling with a goal of losing weight rather than because they enjoy the sport already.

@lukestrzebonski9034 10 дней назад

‘Chris is good for the industry ….. full rebuild + bike fit + Tasmania trip “ lol ….gold 😂 - love the show

@petersouthernboy6327 11 дней назад

On Pandapodium, the L-TWOO eRX groupset is $720 USD. On Merlincycles, the Shimano 105 R7170 Di2 groupset is $996.39 USD. Personally, I’d go with the Shimano every time at that price differential.

@natheirabu-dahab1446 10 дней назад

The L-TWOO groupset doesn't come with cranks or a cassette or rotors, and the 105 Di2 does. They're the same price. That being said, ERX is closer to the weight of Ultegra

@petersouthernboy6327 10 дней назад

@@natheirabu-dahab1446 great point. And in terms of cache, support, parts, warranty, and resale value - in my mind it’s not even close.

@dominicbritt 10 дней назад

Merlin cycles is the standard Shimano grouoset - includes bottom bracket and you can pick your crank length.

@PaganiZondaF650hp 7 дней назад

To me personally, that's the crux with all Chinese products I would desire: Real world price with EU-import VAT is nearly the same or more than a similar product from a western brand costs me

@petersouthernboy6327 7 дней назад

@@PaganiZondaF650hp well, if you have problems with a Chinese imported product without domestic support and branding - good luck with all that.

@obrienwspt85 11 дней назад

As far as Zwift bike…I am 6’ and wife is 5’ 2”. This would allow indoor setup that is easily adjustable for our two heights without swapping bike out. That is the use case for me. It is much cheaper than buying a full “smart bike.”

@albertocoelho5664 10 дней назад

I agree, this is great for a multi user set up.

@dphillips9361 10 дней назад

Yep completely right. Also half the price of smart bikes/trainers like the watt-bike. I’ve had a go on one at a bike show and it was pretty good & had Zwift controls on the handlebars.

@dphillips9361 10 дней назад

Also at the Zwift bike demo they said that you can have virtual gears setup with be like SRAM or Shimano with the gear range you want.

@richardbarnhill4794 10 дней назад

Bingo! I'm using my old Fuji as my trainer bike. My wife is passively interested, but she has no desire to spend time swapping my bike for her Jamis hybrid. If we had this, 1 min of adjusting and go. That is the use case!

@TheRimBrakeGuy 10 дней назад

It gets old fast, and frustrating having to adjust the bike between two riders all the time, it would be faster to just swap an old aluminium beater to be fair. Especially when some of the controls need adjusting. Also the deal now is the bundle Frame + Kickr Core (no option to just buy the frame), so its best to have 2 trainers + 2 frames with their own mini PC/apple TV and be ready for all situations (even ride with your wife to places, could have positive effects in your relationship :) )

@walshman70 10 дней назад

New drinking game: take a shot every time these two say the word "slop"!

@spiderscomics1180 10 дней назад

Name of the game: SlopFest

@richardhutchings1980 10 дней назад

Sloppy game that

@woofenzo 10 дней назад

Froth has to be in the bingo card too 😂

@berenicie 11 дней назад

loved the chat this week. You guys are becoming a proper radio show and I absolutely love it

@ChrisMillerCycling 10 дней назад

Thanks man, glad you are enjoying it.

@gregbrown3764 11 дней назад

The awards aren't awards. They're badges for paid marketing.

@TheRimBrakeGuy 10 дней назад

BuT BuY OuR BiKe 4 tHiS 15K pRiCe, iTs A StEaL! /sarcasm

@dandaniel9374 11 дней назад

I love "froth bike". When subjected to church camp as a child, the camp I attended had a rule of "NO FROTHING!" concerning boy-girl...relationships... So every time you say "froth", I get visions of forbidden... awsomeness. Great stuff guys!

@2rismo 10 дней назад

Very easy to tell the people who do their reviews from a press release vs the ones who actually review a product themselves. In the rush to be first, so many just don't put in the work. We see you. Shane, Ray etc continue to set the benchmark for consumer trust.

@space.youtube 10 дней назад

I don't think Chris understands how the Wheeltop rear derailleur works. It has nothing to do with the parallelogram angles and ratios, what matters is the programmability of the step motor that actuates it. It's not that hard to wrap your head around it, really. You use the set screws to determine the span of rear derailleur travel in accordance with the cassette, then select the number of cogs in the app. The rear derailleur then divides the width of the cassette by the number of cogs and Bob's your uncle. The only reason other manufacturers haven't allowed this kind of cross compatibility is because they want to lock people into their ecosystem. With the wheeltop derailleur you can combine it with any hub and cassette standard from all Shim, Sram, Campag or other, from 3 speed to 13 speed. At worst you'll have to change your chain along with your cassette (and maybe chainrings) To be honest, it's pretty cynical of the legacy groupset manufacturers to bake in the obsolescence of their electronic groupsets when they really don't need to, and Wheeltop with some simple lines of code have exposed them for it.

@ChrisMillerCycling 10 дней назад

Ok that explains it very well, thanks for that. I agree planned obsolescence is a nasty tactic and if this helps us avoid that, I'm 100% on board.

@DaveNoakes 9 дней назад

It’s slightly more complex than just selecting the number of gears you want and adjusting the limit screws. I found that although it worked by selecting 12 speed and setting the screws I still had to do some adjustment within the app. I’m not sure if I’m right on this…but I think the spacing between cogs on a 12 speed campagnolo is different to sram/shimano so that’s why you can individually adjust the gear values in the app. This takes a bit of time to work out…trial and error really. Just adjusting the value of the gear that’s slightly skipping to get it all perfect. Yes you can run it as a 3-13 speed by selecting the number of gears you want in the app. But in my experience is won’t shift perfectly and needs fine tuning. It’s the fine tuning people will be put off by or find annoying. I’ve not used it enough to say if it’s worth the money…but first impressions are really good…but it is a pain to get perfect! For the record I don’t take money for these reviews/tests as I want to give an honest opinion.

@SamuelBlackMetalRider 10 дней назад

Every Ride is a Victory in itself. Every ride brings Joy, every ride is better than NOT riding

@blindybikes 10 дней назад

coros chat was great - thanks as always for the honesty

@helmetculture 11 дней назад

Well, cycling weekly allow brands to submit and send in their bikes for the awards. The manufacturers 'nominate' themselves and yes there is a fee. The only bikes that can win any categories are obviously bikes that were sent in and 'submitted' to cycling weekly. Not many people understand this.

@2rismo 10 дней назад

This is exactly how so much of the automotive aftermarket works.

@TheRimBrakeGuy 10 дней назад

Its all paid out badges for the companies to be used by marketing departments. Then they charge you 10k for a bike that cost 1k at most.

@timwolf2215 10 дней назад

I think it’s so interesting comparing berry/KV area to centennial/Sydney are…. It’s cycling you want to do versus cycling that you have to do. Mindset is sooooo much different. I regularly ride berry and woodhill with no music in the ear because there is so much to hear and feel

@miche_amico 10 дней назад

Love what Chris said about cycling and meditation. I've recently started to look at cycling more that way and my enjoyment has went up and I feel better after a ride.

@ili4707 10 дней назад

I'd have thought the zwift bike is more for hotels and gyms and stuff like that. The bike is cheaper than most bike-trainers (for gyms) and probably also higher quality

@AndrewisTri-tn1uo 10 дней назад

That’s never been a big push of zwift. Cuts your margins heavily and they already have production output issues. They want it in homes. I agree it would be a great improvement over the average gym spin bike hardware and software.

@out_spocken 10 дней назад

I reackon it'd get trashed as a share product. Maybe really nice hotels...maybe. But no-one treats hotel gear well at all.

@kevinderung8524 10 дней назад

the zwift bike makes sharing easier...and its priced very competitively...im def interested in it

@garrettchurchey 11 дней назад

The whole unwritten industry rule so far with electronic shifting to not be customizable with amount of gears is dumb in my opinion. It has to be technically feasible, if even only for a smaller range, say 10-13 rather than 3-13… manufacturers just don’t do it because it limits the amount of new stuff they can force consumers to purchase.

@AndrewisTri-tn1uo 10 дней назад

The industry has gone all in on larger cassette being better. That's a core marketing philosophy they've had for over 20 years now. You let people question that and the whole charade might fall apart. It'd be like in Seinfeld when Kramer wants to get his mail cancelled.

@garrettchurchey 5 дней назад

@@AndrewisTri-tn1uo and not to mention not speccing narrow bars on high end bikes from the beginning so that people have to buy new bars aftermarket…

@lolbubs11111 11 дней назад

The parallelogram doesn't change between 11 and 12 speeds. The parallelogram roughly mirrors the shape of the cassette. It literally just needs to move less each shift. I think as long as the servo has fine enough granularity for the denser end (13 speeds), this is a great feature and there is no reason it cannot work well.

@9psi 10 дней назад

Angle of the slant parallelogram also changes depending on the anticipated min and max cogs on the cassette. Otherwise the shifting is crap in the top gears

@Enukia 10 дней назад

Desfit gets a lot of Coros wearables so I’m sure he has some loyalty to them

@ChrisMillerCycling 10 дней назад

that makes sense. Has to keep them onside.

@jcolp 11 дней назад

COROS greatly underestimated what a bike computer is and the requirements people have from one, from a fundamental basic level. Taking the foundation of their watches and translating it into a dedicated bike computer is just insufficient resulting in a long journey to get to a usable solution. I think after 6 months it may be generally usable but to be competitive it'll take longer than that - 12+ in my opinion if the hardware is even capable of getting there. Something else to consider is that the more functionality/features/etc they add the higher the battery usage can result, diminishing their advantage there bit by bit in that area - unless they make it extremely flexible in what can be enabled/disabled. This has happened with their watches where they revised the battery life estimates after adding features.

@TheRimBrakeGuy 10 дней назад

who is COROS?

@petersouthernboy6327 10 дней назад

Worst product rollout ever. This is why I finally broke down and bought a Garmin last week.

@philipk4475 9 дней назад

@@petersouthernboy6327instead of a wahoo roam? Brave choice

@petersouthernboy6327 9 дней назад

@@philipk4475 here in the States Garmin had the 1040 for $100 off.

@grantmaiorana9741 11 дней назад

Been riding Ltwoo for a few months. The ability to change speeds is a great feature. I started with 11 speed and then switched to 12. Part of the sram/shimano business model is that you have to buy a new groupset every 2 years to stay with the current number of speeds.

@xAudiolith 11 дней назад

11 -> 12 speed = faster chain wear, more dropped chains, even less tolerance in the whole drivetrain AKA even more headache and mechanics hours just to ride your bike. I'm riding and racing on 11 still and so far haven't gotten dropped from not having enough gears. I have however seen many mates with that god awful shimano DA 12 speed drop their chains and scratch up their expensive frames. The bike industries idea of innovation is anti consumer. Until parts are available I'll happily ride 11s.

@michaelmechex 10 дней назад

@@xAudiolith dropping chains is caused by misaligned front derailleur, amount of gears in the back has nothing to do with it. It's very common because people don't bother to read the manual

@82vitt 10 дней назад

@@michaelmechex Lol...dude hasn't got a clue how gears on a bike work.

@Resoluteofficial 11 дней назад

fyi regarding the UK groupset discount, there are always discounts here typically at 25%+ and you can choose configuration

@stefanohbellote9948 10 дней назад

the Zwift bike seems a good option when you have different people trying to use the same trainer, exchanging bikes sucks. So could be an option for a quick setup change. But of course, most features are extra stuff, and for 1 person only it doesn't makes sense. DCRainmaker and Des talked about a simpler option on their last podcast, the Caveworks Rivet, highly adjustable, simpler setup, works with climbr, and it's cheaper from what I remember

@SMarkGee 11 дней назад

"Total works of fiction" - yep you said it. Now we know who the real reviewers are.

@_gregvalencia 11 дней назад

100% I saw Shane Miller's review first and naively assumed everyone else would be similar. I'm going to go back and see who really put out an honest review and remember that whenever I look for reviews

@FreeFlowSports 11 дней назад

"hate the brand...sorry...last minute dig" .... "fuckin pricks" hahaha if that doesn't become the short for this episode you are missing a golden opportunity. I'm only part way through the show but needed to comment that.

@ChrisMillerCycling 10 дней назад

HAHA!! Yeh, I think that one might hit the instagram crowd

@robbchastain3036 11 дней назад

I think, Jesse, when you are truly up-and-running with discs, they'll end their radio silence with you and send plenty of modern products like bike computers and likely put you on the cover of GQ, too, as a stylish man of modern cycling components. 😀

@user-bz5yl7to1c 9 дней назад

Good to see straight up reviews. Your honesty is refreshing.

@casadisole1 9 дней назад

Spot on with the Coros comments, honest reviews are become scarce. And now, im a subscriber.

@richardfarias2920 10 дней назад

Miller you continue to push the boundaries. Best of luck on the race and be safe!!!

@ChrisMillerCycling 10 дней назад

Thanks man.

@Hambini 11 дней назад

"HOw des fit can stand by his review, is an absolute joke..." PMSL

@DavidStacey-tx7on 10 дней назад

Did you type this drunk

@thedronescene7474 10 дней назад

@@DavidStacey-tx7on He is 5 years old, his little fingers cant properly hold the phone and type at the same time!

@Hambini 10 дней назад

@@DavidStacey-tx7on The guy is called des fit, it's not a typo

@TheRimBrakeGuy 10 дней назад

Very simple, getting sponsored to talk good about a product that is shit makes people lose integrity and stand by shitty products. (=loss of credibility and reputation, and person becomes a telesales marketing bimbo)

@cliveastman6448 10 дней назад

Your mate David Arthur did an outstanding review of the Coros Dura not...😂

@bombers7878 10 дней назад

Why the Zwift Bike? I have an old carbon race bike as an indoor trainer 90% of the time. I can never tune it 100%, switching it is a hassle, the cog and click aren’t available in Australia separately, steel is ideal for indoors. And the price is absolutely right compared to buying all these bits separately. I’m very interested!

@timwolf2215 10 дней назад

Respect for calling out rubbish. Keep it honest, only way forward

@screaming_quagga 10 дней назад

I have the wheel top here in the USA, + yes setting up the rear derailleur on 11-speed. You must be an absolute bike nerd to figure it out. There's so much adjustment and you are able to tinker with the speeds and pretty much adjust everything through the app. It's out of this world. But if you're not technically savvy in this way, it's a real pain in the ass. It took over a week of tinkering for me to get it right. But it is really good when you do get it right. the fact that you can go between different speed cassettes is great for older bikes. I actually love it because this is my sort of thing. And the shifters remind me of a squared off dura ace 7900 but with a hydraulic brakes. It's a nice feeling. I never like the really big hoods of the new stuff. Chris, you'll never be able to figure it out. And you need to pair your phone so going to a bike shop is going to be tough. More than likely the mechanic is going to struggle (especially if he's never seen it before and has to learn it )and he's going to have to use your phone to do it. So it's really for someone doing their own maintenance in their own garage. Not someone who takes their bike to the bike shop. In that case just buy one of the big name brands. And it seems to work best with Shimano cassette chain in chainring.

@DaveNoakes 9 дней назад

Well said, couldn’t agree more.

@urouroniwa 10 дней назад

Cycling Weekly sorts 9 bikes into 5 categories. Everybody gets a gold star. They could have even given runner up awards so that every single bike got an award. The electronic groupset really interests me as apparently there is even a rim brake version. So that means I can upgrade my 12 year old bike to electronic gearing, only changing the derailleurs and shifters. Pretty inexpensive upgrade too. Hmmm...

@justsomedude7556 11 дней назад

The most recent SRAM firmware has a random update for Future Capabilities or something like that. So I think Chris is correct, will probably be able to choose 12 or 13 speed setup. That firmware update was for all the shifters and derailleurs.

@merckxy54 11 дней назад

Dont forget Cycling Weekly is and always has been a comic!!!!

@Dumbo3.1428 10 дней назад

Some flex in a cocpit is a welcome thing to me. It gives comfort and behavs similar to a spring. Springs by the way store kinetic energy with an extremely high efficiency of about 99% wich makes the "inefficiency" claims invaluable. I'm able to produce nearly 2kw at 82kg body weight and have never had the feeling that my relatively soft cocpit held me back. Maybe the timing of your movement upper to lower body has to change slightly but that is done by turning the pedals about ten times out of the saddle. Also I'd like to see a differenceiation between vertical and torsonal flex. The whole stiffness thing became a meme Some time ago. More is not always better in my humble opinion. Cheers guys I like your show.

@philipk4475 9 дней назад

2 kW is track sprinter territory. Damn. I agree with your point exactly. Stiffer isn't better. Carbon bike parts (cranks, frame, etc) will return any energy put into it with like 99%+ efficiency. Otherwise your bike would actually heat up during riding. The stiffness of bike components is therefore a matter of pure preference beyond some value required for adequate handling and avoiding brake rub.

@Dumbo3.1428 9 дней назад

@@philipk4475 it's 1932w and only for two to tree seconds. And about 8 years ago. But nonetheless it seems I'm relatively talented compared to my riding buddy's. I still hit way above 1.5kw without a problem and specific training. But im also fat these days. 🙂

@dgmast 19 часов назад

Chris, you so nailed it. Cycling IS a lifestyle;

@DerAngriff 7 дней назад

Anyone bar the beginner cyclist is probably aware of Shane. His channel is the gold standard for in depth reviews of bike computers and power meters. When I saw the release of this device (on ccache) the first pit stop was Shane's channel to get the low down. Coros should have paid Shane a consultancy to go through this device and tear it apart. The outcome, would have been a high quality product that could potentially put Wahoo and Garmin on notice.

@HarishChouhan 11 дней назад

Jesse, Coros watches are like Wahoo of the sports watch world. They might make a better version in few years but I hope no one buys it now

@andyman127 10 дней назад

Shimano and Sram could make any of the derailleurs backwards compatible (probably only down, 12 to 11... etc) with a software update. The motor would absolutely be programmable to have different stop gaps.

@lewisfilms 10 дней назад

I don’t understand this notion of a bike “winning” a race in the context of bike marketing. Isn’t this like saying Microsoft Word won the Pulitzer Prize or whatever?? It’s the person using the tool that makes the difference!

@sanj-m 5 дней назад

In formula 1 it makes sense, the aerodynamics, materials used, weight saved, engine optimizations, all can make one car faster than the others even if the driver isn't the best. When you're at the highest level of competition every marginal gain matters. But you are right to a certain degree.

@melbournecyclingsegments7510 10 дней назад

Oh My God the first cycling channel that can pronounce Cinturato...i nearly fell off my chair...you guys just made be so proud you have no idea. triple like

@curtvaughan2836 10 дней назад

Enjoyed this one - wide range of topics and a good vibe between the two of you.

@thomaskuhn6541 11 дней назад

Maybe someone can explain to me how this obviously not ready for prime time POS from Coros has made it onto so many well established and reputable channels. And everyone is cutting these guys slack while they are wasting everyone's time. Who gives a shit about battery life if the form factor looks like crap and it doesn't even have basic functionality.

@PDdiving 10 дней назад

I agree on the Zwift bike thing… I use a Tacx Neo2; however, my next indoor training iteration will be as Chris said - dedicated Garmin or Kickr bike - maintenance free, and bikes for real riding.

@8rk 11 дней назад

I love enve components. Bars, wheels, everything. The frame though... Is about the LAST bike I'd dream about. Snooze fest. At a time where everything looks the same and unexciting, it is THE most unexciting. So I guess it deserves some type of medal. LOL.

@gregbrown3764 10 дней назад

That's so interesting. It (and the Mog) are THE bikes I fantasize over currently.

@MacLeanWright 9 дней назад

Great show as usual. Love it. The gravel scene is dominant here in the US, and I've done some gravel races but at home I mostly ride road. You guys have inspired me to check out the local road scene. I've been hooked. Thanks!

@zoid88 10 дней назад

To be fair to Dave Arthur, the groupsets on Merlin are always on sale. Yes you should compare RRP to RRP, but he is right that you can buy name brand groupsets for less.

@zeuszuki6698 10 дней назад

I remember Chris introducing MTB riding into his weekly schedule years ago, would have paid dividends with this upcoming gravel race. Diversification is the motivator for myself. Best of luck Chris, i look forward to the summary 👍

@AndrewisTri-tn1uo 10 дней назад

Yeah seems kind of obvious to just go and buy a second hand xc bike to get your handling up to spec if you’re serious about gravel. Would be a very minor investment compared to what he seems to spend on cycling in general. I mean from the clips he showed and way he talked an xc bike is probably actually a better bike to take to this tassy event anyway.

@WhatsGood11 10 дней назад

As a consumer as long as the seller is reputable, like Merlin Cycles (bought a groupset from them recently with no issues), I think it's completely valid to compare sale prices to retail prices. IMO the price that the end consumer is willing to pay ultimately what influences a purchase, not what it could sell for.

@starlitshadows 9 дней назад

Jesse absolutely nailed that talk about discipline and motivation. And even someone like Chris who may have more passion and desire to ride still has those moments. It's absolutely a myth that someone is always motivated. Your desire for progress overrides the lack of motivation or fatigue. I've had this conversation with a friend of mine who has struggled with maintaining a fitness routine for even a short length of time. Sometimes I'm tired, not motivated, had a long day as well. I still get out and go. If I'm so bad off that my workout will be terrible due to stress, sleep deprivation or schedule. Quick nap, get it in later or pick up tomorrow with sometimes with a little extra to make up for it. Majority of the time I find a way to do so. And often times like Chris said that enjoyment kicks in once you start. Passion, enthusiasm and motivation are certainly factors for getting out. But it can't be the only ones to rely on because they can be fleeting.

@theoswinscow 11 дней назад

For some reason found myself waiting all day for your show... Loving your content guys.

@chrisrouisse1690 11 дней назад

One issue that I think Mark and others that change around the type of exercise they do is that they don't have a long term fixed routine and without that they need to have either higher motivation to keep doing the exercise they are doing currently or increased discipline to say I don't have a specific type of exercise, but I have to do something.

@peterstockwell7512 8 дней назад

I have a COROS running watch & it is great, best running watch I have had. I guess it will take time for them to get it right.

@604idan 11 дней назад

Idk, the crank length doesnt matter sooo much when you can adjust everything else on the bike. Itll fit close enough for the whole family. If more than 1 person is going to use it, I think its a decent product

@richardhutchings1980 10 дней назад

Excellent podcast as always lads. Analysis of the reviews is fascinating

@peterm.7497 11 дней назад

Merlin always has deep discounts on groupsets....also, if Merlin can sell it for that price, you eventually will find it elsewhere for a similar price; so it's perfectly acceptable -- even the best way -- to compare prices. If you are shopping Chinese, I guarantee you aren't the "retail price" type of person.

@a1white 10 дней назад

Yes, was going to say, that’s not an especially low price on a specific crank length or whatever. They always discount it, so I think it’s acceptable also to compare to the price you can actually buy the product for.

@ciprian7 10 дней назад

@@a1white Merlin Cycle and many others have great prices on group sets and components, hilarious how hard they try to defend the Chinese unproven groupset vs 105DI2 and David Arthur is the sell out?????

@philipk4475 9 дней назад

I love your take on motivation vs discipline. I see it exactly the same. Bang on.

@stickler6312 8 дней назад

Just word semantics. Either you get out there and ride, or you don't.

@grongrod 10 дней назад

Thank you for being honest boys. Great episode.

@ianstephenson650 11 дней назад

I think you guys have missed the purpose of the Zwift ride, it fits persons from 5 feet to 6 feet 6 inches. Every one in your family can use this bike. I personally hate putting and taking my bike off the trainer. For this price Zwift can get people exercising who do not even have bikes.

@out_spocken 10 дней назад

Cept you have standardized bar width, standardised crank length. So instead of easily clipping on the gaming paddles and putting your own bike on a trainer...you have to spend time adjusting seat height and fore/aft, handlebar height and fore/aft. It is literally easier having a real bike, with the added benefit that it's spare if and when your main bike goes down, or if a guest comes over and you want to take them for a ride.

@proctermorris6657 10 дней назад

Jesse's comment was more that you are better off investing in an 'old clunker', or possibly use an older bike from your stable, and leave it on the trainer permanently. Something I do actually. I would never ever buy anything like this Zwift bike. It would just be downright annoying I think.

@ianstephenson650 4 дня назад

@@proctermorris6657 but the entire family can store their positions in memory and use this contraption.

@smithandshortdogs 10 дней назад

I am running an 11 speed 105 mech with 10 speed shifters cassette and chain. Works great.

@shannons7517 10 дней назад

I have the same experience as Mark Lewis. I go through macro cycles where I want to train every day and don't have to be disciplined to do so, followed by a period of a few months where I am not. This usually corresponds to the seasons you would expect. Edit: I guess I'm in the Chris bucket in the nice weather.

@Eugeneizzy 10 дней назад

More gravel stuff! Love the bike set talk and race recap to come

@guypolson 6 дней назад

DC Rainmakers video was really good.

@eda0076 10 дней назад

The Edition Zero gravel race in NZ would suit you well Chris.

@ChrisMillerCycling 10 дней назад

I'll keep an eye on it

@scorpionbikewheels1308 10 дней назад

Can you guys look into some other top brands from Milan Italy like Guerciotti. Beautiful bikes around since 1964. Love your show. Thanks

@saracen888 10 дней назад

I enjoyed the Cycling Weekly review video. The tester Joe was very articulate and seemed to not buy into the pure froth factor when making his decision. Ultimately how a bike feels is why we love riding our favourite bike.

@JDM304 10 дней назад

Thanks guys!

@wertacus 11 дней назад

Hearing you discuss the zwift bike, my thoughts. They shpuld have partnered with some bike brand to get normal whitelabel bike frames and just put their wireless shifters on them. Do the adjustable cranks like you said and ship it as a frameset with a zwift hub.

@kadenlindsey358 10 дней назад

As far as the changing speeds on a derailleur, the differences are in cable pull on mechanical, on electric the motor/servo can a adjust properly and has nothing to do with the parallelogram of it. If anything it would be very easy to adjust if the tuning options are available

@a1white 10 дней назад

The new Shimano CUES system uses one derailleur for 9, 10 and 11 speed. Using a single pull ratio. Not drop bar at the moment, but it’s a good sign that Shimano are going down that road.

@kadenlindsey358 10 дней назад

yeah the limiting factor is in the shifters, Like shimano claris 8 speed uses the same pull ratio as older 105/ultegra 10 speed, so you could use those shifters with the cheap claris RD and get 10 speed shifting

@jonathanhoare9006 10 дней назад

I have the wheel top Eds ox on my MTB set up as 11spd. It’s brilliant. You can micro adjust each shift to get it perfect.

@tryhardpker 10 дней назад

Is there a nero show "certified slop" sticker? I need one for my canyon grail

@ChrisMillerCycling 10 дней назад

HAHA!!!

@greghart6310 7 дней назад

It's never motivation, it's ALWAYS discipline. So often the psyche comes when you're actually doing it. As Picasso said: " The muse comes, but she must find you working".

@woofenzo 10 дней назад

Great show as always! Good luck in Tassie - hope you don’t have to walk as far as Nannup 😅

@markharrison6120 10 дней назад

Great edition well done..... Gravel nationals, two possible outcomes; love it and progress to MTB XC as well as more Gravel races, (would love to hear Chris emote on XC racing), stack multiple times and decide off road destroys bikes and riders.. looking forward to seeing the outcome.. good luck

@ChrisMillerCycling 10 дней назад

HAHA!!! 100% agree ... this could go either way

@proctermorris6657 9 дней назад

Hi Chris, re the gravel bike geometry/setup, I too started out with a shorter stem. I've gravitated back to my road setup in terms of stem length and angle (even though the bars are fractionally wider). I use it for gravel, and CX racing, and it seems to be good. I think the shorter stem on an essentially road frame just compresses you too much. Good luck on the weekend.

@danger.m 10 дней назад

A Pandora’s box of hand grenades! 😂❤

@Philatlondon1 10 дней назад

Every cross racer in the World suffers from low back pain at some point. I suspect you'll need time to get use to the pounding and the huge low cadence torque, which you just don't get on a road bike.

@bpinsf 9 дней назад

I think they missed the point of the Mark Lewis video. Whether they call it “motivation” or “discipline” his point is that you need the will to start (or continue). For some people, their brain chemistry is such that this is easy that it doesn’t even seem to be a decision. For others, it is a huge effort. And of course people exist all along the spectrum between the two.

@MarkLewisfitness 9 дней назад

At least you got it 😂

@dominicbritt 10 дней назад

Hold your horses chaps… Merlin Cycles prices are pretty standard in the U.K. now and the Wheeltop does not come with cassette, chain, chainset, disc rotors!!!!!!

@sean7456 7 дней назад

57:00 damn Jessie out here preaching

@macht4turbo 9 дней назад

Thanks for covering the coros dura. A lot of people lost their credibility with their coverage of that. It highlights how shallow and unprofessional a lot of "reviewers" are in this sphere. Their is a heavy bias towards positive reviews to the detriment of the consumer. Negatives are pushed under the ruck and false positive aspects, like a ultra durable mount are highlighted. Recently i watched david arthur ""reviewing" some shokz bone conducting headphones and he falsely stated that they would have noise canceling, while this product can't have any, because by design it isn't sealed. Shokz highlighted in their marketing that their microphones! have nosie canceling and david just misunderstood that and said in the review tha the noise canceling is good, while he just could not have validated that, because it isn't actually there. Even when corrected he doesn't care. He is just one example of these too big to fail reviewers who operate without journalistic credibility. It is shameful. So thank you for being honest! The coros dura wont be fixed even with firmware updates, it is dead on arrival, because coros made some bad design decisions, like the necessity do do everything from your phone, like rerouting.

@kadenlindsey358 10 дней назад

The thing about comparing retail prices is that when 105 di2 has been out for a while, nobody is paying retail… also the wheeltop group is brakes/shifters and mechs, vs the other groups have a crank and cassette and chain etc

@_nico3320 11 дней назад

As a Melee owner I will say pictures don't do it justice it looks very good in person. That said most desirable is a stretch, I bought because the geo works for me, it rides incredibly, and it was offered at a discount. My pick of most desirable surely would be a 3D Printed Ti Colnago C68

@grantmaiorana9741 11 дней назад

Absolutely embarrassing to release a “best bikes of the year” video and only test 9 bikes. Hopefully some other media outlet does a better test.

@Onigure 11 дней назад

They casually omitted the bikes that have won the TdF for the last 13 years. I'm sure they know better.

@82vitt 10 дней назад

Likely didn't test shit. Just got a nice back hander from Look to promote their bike.

@georgesj9536 11 дней назад

on the motivation: for me its really easy to just like sports / living healthy, but I know several people who ALWAYS need to work towards a competition goal and otherwise really just dont get out and do the work. Both exist and thats fine

@wrwicky 10 дней назад

The BotY section was a new record for Chris Miller’s voice getting higher pitched. Fantastic

@AndrewisTri-tn1uo 10 дней назад

Jesse "this is a very novice level product". Yup. I think that's exactly why they didn't bother making adjustable cranks. No novice cares what length cranks they're riding. It's the "experts" that have come up with the idea (in the last few years) that changing your crank length 1cm is an incredible important transformative experience. I mean it would have been nice, but for a gen1 product that is pulling out the stops to be CHEAP, I don't think it's a big deal. And I agree with Chris. I think tons of more intermediate/advanced riders, when it comes to upgrading or getting an indoor setup now, will happily pay a bit extra to get this and get an all-in-one setup so you can leave the bike in the shed with it's wheel on and have way less mucking around with your indoor experience. Yes in theory you could do a pretty similar thing a bit cheaper with some effort, but people hate effort and mucking around generally, they like products with a warranty that work out of the box. It's not like it's any more 'wasteful' than taking a bike that's perfectly good for riding outside and leaving it on a trainer year round.

@erlendsteren9466 7 дней назад

The Look looks good because it looked like having massive tyre clearance on the back of the frame. To mee the best aero bike is the aerobike that can handle the biggest tyres, and I like it to have a slack geometry so I dont get scared going steep down. And that carbon fork in the front, exchange it with a good damper that saves me form getting scared hitting potholes. But thats my preferences, I think proper windtunneltesting should be done, and testing on the road.

@johnwolff1043 10 дней назад

I love the looks of the Melee. So much so, i just bought one.

@grumpytex1970 10 дней назад

Love the channel gents. Great discussions. Might be just me, but often lots of microphone echo between the two of you when excitement (volume) raises? Maybe a sound proof barrier between the two of you might help…and 100% agree with Jesse, couldn’t think of a worse race to do, wet, cold and middle of BF know where. 😂😂

@Amir-cu4qp 5 дней назад

The Ltwoo groupset you are going to put on your new bike is also configurable for the amount of speeds (11 or 12). So wheeltop having it is not that different. It's just that sram and shimano don't want to make that move, since they would sell less of their groupsets