Costly Engine REPAIRS! Talking CARB vs EFI Engines ► Are We Trading In?

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This is actually a follow up topic that a lot of you guys weighed in on from my last video, which was talking about my Exmark's oil leak on the Kohler engine. A lot of you guys were weighing in on my engine oil leak issue, and today is the follow up where we got our mower back from the shop.
Thankfully the Kohler 940 EFI engine was under warranty and it didn't cost us anything out of pocket, but it also got me wondering about future upgrades and engine choices out there. We may or may not upgrade and trade in this current Lazer Z over winter, but if we do, we may go a different direction with our engine choice.
Most of you guys know that we run the 34hp Kohler EFI with the RED tech in our X-Series Lazer Z. But I have come to realize recently that a lot of you, and I mean a lot of folks, seem to really prefer those carbureted engines from Kawasaki a lot more.
I guess it makes sense that if you are working on your own equipment, the carbureted engines seem to be much more simple to fix. The EFI engines require a lot more knowledge and generally have higher cost repair bills associated with them.
The trade off for my scenario though would be tallying up all that extra fuel savings, and realizing that we have saved a ton of money on fuel while we've had this unit. Again, it may be a little costlier to repair an EFI engine, but we most likely would've made up for those savings with our reduced fuel usage over the years.
What do you guys believe is a better engine choice for those of us in lawn care and landscaping? Do you guys believe in the KISS method for engines, and prefer carbureted? Or do you guys like running those EFI engines and prefer to rack up the fuel savings with the more efficient engines? Let me know, leave us a comment down below!
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@franciscodanconia45 5 лет назад

Basic rule of thumb: the more complicated anything is, the easier it breaks and the more expensive to fix. For me: carbs and good treated fuel.

@Fencearmor 5 лет назад

Another awesome video Brian! Always a pleasure to see you using what you learn and helping people out.

@boedriggers2464 3 года назад

I have a repair shop and we repair small engines and I can tell you from experience that the carbureted engine is much more reliable and cheaper to operate the savings that you’re speaking of on fuel is not that much the 460 gravely has a 35 hp Kawasaki engine that engine is a beast most people don’t even use much over half throttle with that machine .and when a Efi breaks you wish you had the carburetor, the engine electronics is very expensive when they break .The Kawasaki engine is a very dependable engine very seldom have to work on those

@fergusonpeattie5242 3 года назад

True but the way emission standards/rules are going they will all become EFI in the next 5-10 years....you can thank CARB for that.

@85national 2 года назад

I have a bobcat with a kawasaki fx1000v efi and i want to convert it to carb is it a kit i can buy to convert it. I just dont want to spend almost a thousand dollars on a new ecu

@tastyorange 4 месяца назад

Thank You for your help

@GroovesAndLands 3 года назад

Obviously EFI has been fully established in cars since the late 1980s. In the beginning, a lot of people prefered the good old carb because they knew how to deal with them, and their mechanic knew how to deal with them. I think mower dealers/mechanics are still pretty lousy at troubleshooting EFI systems - making a good argument for carbs. But as the dealers/mechanics get accustomed to EFI - it becomes a no brainer. An electronic control system can keep considerably better control over a dynamic system than a mechanical analog device like a carb.

@centralfloridalawncare8373 5 лет назад

Carbureted Kawasaki. That's all we run hear in the Sunshine State! The Kawasaki FX730V is a beast!!!

@lsumaniac2485 5 лет назад

Honestly guys go with what your heart tells you, me personally I buy all Kohler and have had great luck with them. The command 25hp is a beast that will not let you down

@Hev2500hd 5 лет назад

You pay all the savings back when its time to repair. Just like a newer diesel truck. Its the best when its running

@TheGameBoy56 5 лет назад

CUTTING EDGE LAWN CARE exactly

@danmahoney3742 5 лет назад

I really thought you would be switching to Scag, you had some pretty big smiles in the vride2 and turf tiger 2 reviews. I demo-ed and bought a TT2 based on your video. No regrets, awesome machine!

@cc371 5 лет назад

I’ve used just about every mower/engine combination available up until 2017. If you plan to keep your mower for the long haul, hands down the kawi carb. I still use one of my mowers with the 27hp kawi. It has over 1400hrs on it and doesn’t burn a drop of oil. My repair cost on that engine minus regular maintenance has been zero.

@danbsimpson Год назад

I've seen Vanguard big blocks do that with 3000-4000 hours

@johnclark5009 3 года назад

Kawi all day!! A friend of mine recommended them and said they run good. I had a mower with a Kohler Command 20 and it ran great. Always started nice. Wish the hydro wouldn't have gone out. That thing was a beast!!

@randyowens2717 5 лет назад

Only problem with Kawasaki after five years was a clogged fuel filter. Love it!

@johnclark5009 3 года назад

I have a Kawi in my new Woods FZ28K. I'll be looking for that when that time comes!! Thanks for the advice!

@bayfish100 5 лет назад

I've had very good luck with carb. Kohler. Three of our Grasshoppers have the 23 HP Kohler. Two of which have 3800 plus hours on them, the other around 2000. Neither has had any work done to them other than regular oil changes and a stater on one of them. Two other Grasshoppers have Kubota diesels. That's where the fuel savings are.

@jcslawntips 5 лет назад

I haven't had good luck with efi, I will continue to run carb Kawasaki engines. The Gravely 460 engine that you have is the FX1000v that is a 35HP engine 👍🏻

@toddbenfield6546 5 лет назад

I go with EFI. I trade every 2-3 yrs. and always under warranty. I’ve done the numbers, and it’s not but $50 month more to have new equipment, instead of running them to death. Less down time, and no out of pocket expense. Sell them with less than 750 hrs, and will still be able to get descent money out of them, and buy new.

@dankruger2890 2 года назад

good advise

@1jfreak777 Год назад

You will then always have monthly payments.

@toddbenfield6546 Год назад

@@1jfreak777 not me…I save it through my biz account👍

@Cheekslapper-xk9bh 5 лет назад

I like both Kawasaki and Kohler. I’ve owned both carb and efi. Honestly I would have to say for my experiences with both I would choose the kholer efi. It has more power better fuel ratings and a lot quieter. I had more problems in one season with my newer Kawasaki engine then I had with both my 16 year old kohlers. All engines owned for quit a while. My kohlers have a lot more power. Just bought a brand new scag cheetah 61” and went with the 31hp kholer efi. I’m pretty happy with it.

@grandtheftdaddittv5418 5 лет назад

I personally have had nothing but problems with the EFI motors and I'm also an exmark guy. I found that the kawi seemed to hold up better as long as we kept up with the oil changes and not let it go over the hours. The EFI motors had a terrible time keep a charge on the battery or there were wires coming loose from the starter which caused charging issues and my vantage and lazer were constantly in the shop with a lot of down time. I don't feel the the EFI has had enough time to overcome the reliability of the carb engines yet. I haven't just said the hell with EFI either, I'm constantly keeping up with it but I need a few more years of them perfecting them before I will go back to them.

@kylebihn411 5 лет назад

I love my kaw. It cost roughly $20 in fuel a day: I never seen much of a savings running the efi. I’ve ran both for hundreds of hours and I choose the Kawasaki when I went on my own. Haven’t had any real issues with it. I might not get the x next time but I’ll probably buy the Kawasaki again.

@Dale.Nienow 5 лет назад

Nice video Brian, All of my mowers have a Kawasaki EFI and after 4000 hours nothing went wrong, go with Kawasaki!

@nickenslandscapingexcavating 5 лет назад

Carb kawi all day. My Briggs efi sucked more fuel that the carb kawi. Just my experience 👍🏼

@m.m14433 3 года назад

From what I understand, newer briggs are junk.

@ashleysanders1258 3 года назад

@@m.m14433 They absolutely are. I work on small equipment. I've had 3 commercial Briggs in the last two weeks pouring oil from the sump. Also had a SCAG come in with a commercial briggs. Oil leak at sump. It was also weak and had a shimmy. Engine had 87 hours but was 3.5 years old. Always service. Broke engine open and had a broken rod. Briggs and SCAG told owner to kick rocks. Mower and engine were both pristine. Looked brand new. Regularly serviced.

@Jason_Bacon 5 лет назад

If I had the choice between an EFI motor and a carbed motor, for my push mower life...I'd go EFI every time. They run better, the fuel savings like you said and then, from the car side of me, you can turbo them easier.

@ehexzs10 5 лет назад

Hmmm good question!! Ive only run Kawaski and only 2 Lazer Zs. Never any issues. Im ready to upgrade next year or in 2 years. Ive run 2 exmark walk behinds and a vantage with no problems either.

@davidbabel5101 5 лет назад

I’ve had no problem with my EFI Kohler engine on my Exmark. I have 1200 hours on it,and it doesn’t burn oil. I use the Kohler oil at every oil change.

@toddeberlein965 5 лет назад

Brian as I have chimed in before in regards to this. My buddy had the Lazer Z X with the original RED like yours and had the same issue plus some others. He just dumped it and got a 2018 E -series with the Kawasaki. Did a Carb and said it is better in his mind but he said this about it (it eats gas like no other). My dealer said the Kawasaki makes a great motor but the tried and true bulletproof motor per my techs at Bobcat Indy North only recommend the Kohler for riders and the Kawasaki on the Standers. I trust their opinion cause they have the account for Brightview (used to be Brickman) mowing. They sell them around 2-300 mowers each year. They didn’t like the original RED tech as it has proven to be super problematic. What I would like to see is a video that is completely unbiased from the guys at Weingartz on the RED 2 tech and what is the ups and downs too of the Kawa and the Kohler. Secondly how bout while you’re considering this have them demo and explain the Staris or if you get your hands on one (I’m needing a stander bad too). Keep up the good work man as it’s finally transitioned into leaf/fall cleanup season now. (2016 E-Series cv742, 1 warranty repair, 660 Hours)

@hermancm 4 года назад

I worked in maintenance for decades at a large school district in the twin cities not far from Toro manufacturing and they cut a lot of our secondary school lawns and fields with their Toro and Exmark mowers to test them and put the hours on them. It was a win win for it saved money for the schools and Toro/Exmark got to test their equipment in real day to day mowing.

@bencarr1047 5 лет назад

This is what my dealer told me, I bought a new cheetah this year with a Kohler 31hp efi which is great but he told me that the Kawasaki is a better engine because they can take more abuse. But as far as efi vs carb I cant tell much different to be honest my efi Kohler likes fuel lol I personally would go with the Kawasaki carb just my opinion

@KenMrKLC 5 лет назад

Not just the fuel savings..... I’m general a fuel injected engine runs cleaner and consistent which should lead to longer life.

@mediocrefloridaman2607 5 лет назад

People were able to easily and more economically diagnose and repair their own vehicles when automakers used carburetor instead of EFI. Nowadays most consumers dont dare open their own hood, let alone fiddle with their own mechanical problems. Companies stand to make more money when they produce things that are hard to work on or meant to break and end up being costly to repair.

@hihaveaniceday9386 4 года назад

Efi on cars have been around cars since the 50 if you dont now how to diagnose a car with efi then you have no reason to be ar pri under one

@aldonco 5 лет назад

Kawasaki, it's no contest. I am still using a Kawasaki carb from 2000 with no problems.

@andylong6589 5 лет назад

suggest trusting your dealer. ask them also. plus, how well has your current unit performed? both options definitely have their pros/ cons.

@SouthernStyleLawnCare 5 лет назад

My 29 Kawi is EFI. Love it. Man the gas savings are worth having an EFI especially if its gonna be new and under warranty. Its a no brainer.

@ronanderson1816 4 года назад

The dealer I used to go to said they had many problems with the Kohler efi.. One mower sat for two weeks because they could not figure out the problems.

@tralfaz0148 4 года назад

Another thing to look at is the amount of time you are having to fill up your mower. I've had EFIs for years and I don't usually have to go to the gas station every day. With carburated equipment I did. When you have employees, going to the gas station all the time is adding not only to gas expense but wage expense.

@barryfleenor8687 3 года назад

Easy fix, stop paying them hourly, pay them on the number of yards finished for the day, that way your not paying for them killing time in parking lot somewhere, going for sodas snacks, etc., pay them a separate fee for fueling up the truck, mowers , weedeaters all ready for next day on the way to the shop...my crew was averaging 35mins or less on 90%of properties, I was paying at that time $10.00 per hrs, so I switched it to $10.00 per yard they got done for the day, they have the potential of $20.00 per hr as long as they work hard, and no callbacks, this way you're not paying for break time, killing time etc., i was also buying lunch and providing water and drinks, until they got picky, and i found alot of half drank drinks, i stopped that quick, i also would pay them to wash/wax and vac the trucks, and equipment from time to time, that's your reputation and billboard when you are onsite...js

@terrymillerii4181 3 года назад

I have a kawi 730v many rough bushhoging days for 3 years on two mowers. They are tough. Ive pushed it hard and its lasting great. Funny truck about the kawi. Always pull choke and tap the start then kill choke almost immediately. Always fires first time. Royal purple oil! Its a boss set up!

@mattpeters232 5 лет назад

I can’t speak for the different motors, but at first and at least for awhile you’ll have a warranty so repairs shouldn’t be too much of an issue. Especially since brand new. Either way you go, best of luck to ya and keep up the good work.

@MrAnteater1022 5 лет назад

EFI are more likely for expensive repairs. A lot more to go wrong with the electronics. I own the carb lazer and love it. The fuel savings and expensive repair doesn’t out weigh more fuel and cheaper repairs!

@fixt100 5 лет назад

if you plan on replacing your mower every 2-3 years then kohler, if you plan on keeping your mower for 5-7 years then buy a Kawasaki, having a kohler wont do you any favors for resale thats for sure...

@dand33911 5 лет назад

Well said.

@ehexzs10 5 лет назад

I agree. If u keep a Kohler efi for 2-3 years are you really saving money in fuel since the mower is more expensive??

@fixt100 5 лет назад

@@ehexzs10 the kohler is less cost upfront by 300$ i think.

@maybon007 4 года назад

Fixt100 hb

@murraymountain7184 4 года назад

Kohler isn't that bad, and from what I know they still aren't unless you're talking about the single cylinder Courage series. Don't have any experience with the new ones, but the old commands are unstoppable. As for the main question here, definitely carb. Repairing anything carburetor related is always cheaper and easier to fix. A single cylinder Briggs is $14 for a new carb. You only need a little engine knowledge to repair a carb, and if they're taken care of, you'll probably never even need to work on the carb. So yes, in the long run, a carbureted engine will last you.

@agoushy74 5 лет назад

Definitely should go for the Kawasaki! Great, amazing engines, and they are very easy and cheap to fix, and also very very reliable and powerful engines. I mean, if you really really think about it, you may save on fuel, however the problems you have will add up, it will be more out of your pocket even with efi. This machine is a single machine that is being used every day, so the possibility of something going wrong with the engine at some point later in the season is very high. Think about that!!

@hairstonpropertymanagement2937 5 лет назад

I've never had an EFI engine, but I'm looking at one for my next mower

@williamkaono1239 3 года назад

Although this vid is a couple of years old but to all of you that this may apply I would definitely go carburetor if you ‘re able to find a machine that has one. I’ve noticed now that a lot of mower manufacturers are having mostly EFI engines. I recently converted a Kawasaki FD791D EFI engine into a carbureted engine. Works just as good and with excellent performance. Easy swap. It still cost less than having to deal with sensors and ECU troubles.

@TheScavengerben 5 лет назад

Having owned over 15 exmark,z,x,s series red on board etc. it seems like you do save money in fuel. My only complaint would be that im always having to change out the kohler engines every 2000-3000 hours. so to rap this post up, if you plan on leasing/swapping equipment every couple of years, go for the kohler. If you plan on owning the equipment, go for the kawasaki carb.

@jdlandscapingllc4295 5 лет назад

I would stick with what worked for years and is easy to learn and repair yourself. Those efi motors need all these fancy gadgets to make adjustments. Fuel savings may be better with EFI but like mentioned above if you plan to keep the mower for awhile you will lose all that money saved when you have a major issue.

@hoke0818 2 года назад

I have a kubota z781i. It has the 29.5 HP Kawasaki EFI and have not had any issues with it. It has great power and uses less fuel than my previous Kawasaki with carb.. I'm not sure how much less fuel but it is noticeable.

@briansullivan1469 5 лет назад

A carburetor can be rebuilt pretty easily while a EFI is much more complicated and you have so many electrical things to go wrong in the future. I have EFI on my VRide and the fuel savings is super nice but for longevity I'd prefer carbureted. Kawasaki and Kohler are both amazing motors and will both get the job done every time.

@fishandwings6395 4 года назад

I'm all Kawasaki.The EFI IS GREAT but ,I love a carberater.

@jonsmith7553 5 лет назад

Brian, both are good engines. Choose what suites you best.

@johnfurey6569 5 лет назад

This year is my first year with the EFI I have been in the lawn care business for 27 years I’ll never go back to a carbureted motor again it’s faster and when it’s humid out EFI doesn’t miss a beet

@braniganshoemaker2686 5 лет назад

I suggest Kawasaki for the long haul.. kohler for short term.. carb for long haul and injected for short term.. injected cost more to buy and repair so best to keep only under warranty period then trade...

@mccool24 5 лет назад

I got a new Ferris this year and specifically got a carb over the efi. The efi is beneficial sure. But I don’t want to fix one lol.

@Epicgarbagecollector 5 лет назад

I’m looking at buying a used Lazer Z with 1,100 hours on it. As a guy that is very familiar with Lazer Z’s how long do you expect a Lazer Z to last? This specific mowers has been maintained well. I’m just curious to know on average how many hours you’ll get out of a Lazer Z before any major repairs need to be done.

@95SLE 5 лет назад

You stated that your current engine is doing great and saving you fuel money. I personally see no need to change. I do not have an EFI engine, but I am in the market for a snow blower for residential use only, and I am looking at an EFI offering. I am trying to find out what I need to communicate with the on board electronics, information is hard to come by.

@michaelkennedy2528 Год назад

Currently working on a Kohler ECV 749-3048 that is on a John Deere Z930M fuel issue, it was literally POURING out of the throttle body with the engine running. This is the fuel injected ZTR mower from John Deere. Replaced (3rd time) the electric fuel pump with an OEM Kohler pump at $270.00. This last one is allowing fuel to pour through the exhaust and throttle body when running. Diagnosed the issue as a stuck float inside the electric pumps housing. There is a small float that stops the fuel from entering the "bowl" from the primary "pulse pump" that brings fuel in from the tank and supplies fuel to the electric pump for high pressure distribution to the injectors. There are 3 lines on the electric pump. One id the supply line from the "pulse pump", the next is the vent line that goes up to the throttle and just vents fumes and such, and lastly the high pressure line that goes to the injectors. The high pressure line has the white clip, that you push down on to get the hose off. With the engine off and key off, I found that when I pulled the little 90 degree bent hose off for the vent, right on the pump, full started coming out of it, that should not be happening. There is a small float just like in a carb that shuts fuel off from the pulse pump when the fuel gets to certain level in the electric pumps "bowl", apparently this was not stopping the fuel inflow and allowing the fuel to come out the vent. The hose that connects between the throttle body and this vent nipple on the electric pump should not have fuel in it at anytime, merely vapors and venting. With the hose being connected between the throttle body and the electric pump, when the engine is started, it sucked fuel (venturi effect)due to the vacuum at the throttle body up this tube and ran out onto the ground (a lot!!) and even sucked a great deal of it into the engine and was shooting pure fuel out the muffler, and I mean a lot of fuel. So if your dealing with this type of issue, here is your problem and fix. You have to get ANOTHER fuel pump for several hundred dollars. Now, the chances of the carb version doing this is slim, I have never had it happen to my carb version mower (Kawasaki engine), and even if it did, it would such and easy fix, it could literally be done in the field with a simple cleaning of the needle and seat 9 times out of 10. So the cost of the EFI vs Carb versions are clear to me, carb version all the way. Looking through several comments @Francis d'Anconia, @ Boe Driggers and CC 3, all have it right and apparently agree, a Kawasaki carb is the way to go.

@BriansLawnMaintenance Год назад

Sweet

@moneymakingmikeg.9555 5 лет назад

Carb Kawi!!!! It's more manageable to work on yourself if you were in a jam. And Bri., I pray so hard you that branding deal!!! You deserve it man, so humble and respectful and genuine man!!! And I bleed Exmark through and through also!!! I still have my 32 Exmark Metro walk behind pistol grip!!! She still stripes like a champ. Just please remember me when you hit big-time, I'll carry your luggage!!! As always God bless, good luck and greetings from Jersey bud!!!

@davidjuron8319 5 лет назад

So I get repairs cost more but if it's under warranty... Not to mention, you've had the mower for 1200 hours and it just had a $140 bill? That was covered under warranty. I'd stick with it. I have a carb and this video actually will make me look hard at the EFI next season.

@SuperDave21 5 лет назад

Test drive a Kubota ZD 1211 or 1511. They are $$$$ but so freaking nice! Diesel engine has so much torque and the hydraulic deck lift is nice to feather over stuff. Great cut quality and last forever. I've got a 21 year old Kubota that still runs great!

@stepside2839 5 лет назад

By the time he wears a diesel out he'll be on TV ~ Hollywood style But he's not a wrench🔧turner🔩 He's a businessman and entrepreneur.

@rickbell7613 5 лет назад

No opinion on EFI or Carburetor, never had issues with either. I do prefer Kohler over Kawasaki. Bought a Kubota in 2004 with the Kohler, still has never been in the shop for a mechanical issue. I changed a parking brake switch once. Kohler is a GOOD engine.

@antonlueker9648 5 лет назад

Have both. No complaints with the Kohler except it guzzles gas.

@StephenCunningham1 5 лет назад

Really like the power from the 37hp vanguard efi on the scag TT2. I'm a huge Kawi fan. I buy the machine that performs the best with minimal downtime. Fuel savings isn't a huge deciding factor for me but I trend to go with newer tech.

@firewalker545 5 лет назад

Stephen Cunningham vanguard EFI has been good to me so far also

@StephenCunningham1 2 года назад

@@tc25d 1200hrs still running like a beast

@buenavistalawnlandscape3523 5 лет назад

I have a z master with 3500 hours Kohler with no problems

@myke_bota7590 2 года назад

In my opinion , its not just about the fuel savings. With a carb engine, I've run mine in an acreage property where the carbs been running rough and still able to work and load it on trailer. With efi, one glitch and its game over. No fun pushing a 1000 lb plus mower back to the trailer. I'll stick to carb 👍

@martinmelendez5450 5 лет назад

Have a Kawasaki 23.5hp on my Radius X Series its a beast no problems carbed!

@potratzlawnlandscape9741 5 лет назад

I always go carbonated it easier to work on if anything goes wrong plus Kawasaki has good engines

@easygolawncare9702 5 лет назад

EFI. From all I've heard not only do you save fuel but with the higher efficiency you get more hours out of them

@workingcountry1776 5 лет назад

Does your super duty have a carburetor? No. Trucks have had EFI since the mid 1980s. Motorcycles, mowers, snowmobiles..... all efi now. If you are good with technology you should be able to learn how to diag EFI easier than carb. As a former mechanic I would love to have efi on my equipment. Better emissions (not breathing in fumes), no vapor lock, no cold start issues, no flooding the engine. Fuel savings is just a plus. Edit*** Only reason i don't have efi is up front cost. I'm not able to buy a 12k machine yet

@wyattslawnmaintenance5456 5 лет назад

Kohler vs kawi price difference is only a few hundred...

@timjohnson796 5 лет назад

Check out worldlawn mowers. Little easyer on wallet but have good motors and zt5400 hydros.

@workingcountry1776 5 лет назад

@@timjohnson796 no dealer network though. I reached out to worldlawn directly on their website because I wanted to demo their products but nobody got back to me. Nobody stocks them. Bradley is another off brand but they are an American company.

@workingcountry1776 5 лет назад

@@wyattslawnmaintenance5456 still EFI is only offered on expensive machines. A 5 grand walk behind isn't going to have efi. Lucky it has battery start.

@883mustang 5 лет назад

I drive past that weingartz all the time! Guys are really helpful there

@johnk2558 5 лет назад

The fuel savings are very minimal and would take a long time to recoup the cost of the EFI. Lower cost and maintenance on the carb engine.

@andyslawncareandoutdooradv 5 лет назад

Sweet!! I like both engines

@rickbell7613 5 лет назад

Steven!!!!! Get to work.

@toddharris3035 5 лет назад

Ive never heard good things about kohler. I only get the Kawasaki. I think people always see a mower with 5-7 more hp with kohler but does it translate that and the down time isnt worth it.

@rabbtbomb 5 лет назад

Go with the 2019 Lazer Z S-series. You get the 29.5HP Kawasaki EFI. Plus the Gen2 Exmark R.E.D. Tech. You have smaller accounts, the X-series is just overkill for your daily mowing needs.

@iiiStUNA9 5 лет назад

True.

@dscapes1091 4 года назад

JSP Landscaping we have a couple of them and they drink oil like crazy since new. Does yours? 8 machines. 5 kohler Efi 940 and 3 Kawasaki’s, 2 with the 850efi and both drink a lot of oil. And we run 15w40 in everything.

@rabbtbomb 4 года назад

@@dscapes1091 You should run Kawasaki K-Tech in everything, The big block 940efi you should be running nothing but 20w50. the smaller block 850efi should be good with what you're running, you could always try 10w40 in it as well. You just have to run the zinc enriched oils like K-tech & AMSoil are the best. AMSoil is more $ but will last the longest before burnout.

@dscapes1091 4 года назад

JSP Landscaping. We do run 20w50 Kendall in the big blocks with the zddp. We did get the k tech 10w40 from our dealer for our first oil change for those machines. We buy a lot every year. Then we go right to Kendall 15w40 in everything after that. Those Kawasaki’s drank the k tech oil too. Head mechanic at our dealer said all the Kawasaki’s from fx801 to the fx1000 all drink oil. He said they run 20w50 in all of them now too.

@eugkra33 4 года назад

I think if you run a business the kholer sounds better. Less fuel results in a lot of extra money for repair. For personnel use, and if you know how to tune and maintain well, the carb is better.

@Charlie-fc1mh 2 года назад

Hey Brian, I was recently told by our exmark dealership here in Statesboro GA that EFI still isn't quite there yet. It's kind of funny, I see this vid was from 3 years ago. I still haven't decided on a mower yet. I'm going to pay with cash when I'm ready. Either before the end of the year or Jan - Feb 2022. If I go with the EFI it will be a Briggs vanguard. I'm so torn between exmark, scag, toro and maybe grasshopper. I will be the only one operating the machine

@timothykendrick9616 5 лет назад

Kawasaki carb for sure because you where talking about cost savings the carb can be easily switched to propane savings are very high and there simpler least to break like for instance a friend of mine had to have a injector go bad on his new turf tiger 61in $250 you definitely need to look at propane powered cost savings and they are more reliable too

@jimmyrgv 4 года назад

My kohler efi has had running problems from day 1 . I wouldn't recommend them to anyone running a business , the various sensors on the engines cant stand up to vibration and dusty conditions . Also damp conditions play havoc with all the electrical connectors.

@donens9310 Год назад

I agree. For instance Vanguard EFI, has the fuse/relay box mounted using miniature motor mounts. Obviously to try and absorb all the vibration. EFI's have too many electronic components and a nightmare diagnosing failures. Diagnostics is great for the a running engine. Try diagnosing on non-starting or non-running EFI, no matter what manufacturer.

@roscoebuns5264 5 лет назад

EFI is good if you are cutting field and wide open comercial places.. I don't care for them because you can't control the throttle it's lowest setting is still way to high. I like to be able to control the throttle be cause on residents I sometimes want the grass to barely blow out to avoid hitting beds in tight spaces to prevent trashing the beds you can't do the with the EFI. I opted for the the carb E series myself and love it.

@ChevySilver 5 лет назад

If had good luck with your mower just get the same one at least you would have the bagging system to it. Plus how many major repairs not maintenance or parts for doing maintenance, did you put into that mower?

@jo6520 5 лет назад

I had a kholer motor in my simplicity and it through a rod they told us that are engine was the first year for over head cam it also had plastic parts inside the engine. Switched to Briggs great engines the Briggs thru a rod and kept running. Now we have a new simplicity with a Briggs and Stratton motor and it runs great.

@bw1841 2 года назад

MY KHOLER THROUGH TOO RODS AND I MODE ON STARTER POWER! KHOLER STARTERS FUR MEE!

@ShaneZettelmier 11 месяцев назад

With a properly tuned carburetor, you can get much better mileage. The problem is one more people don’t really tune, carburetors for efficiency they just try to get it running. Carburetors can be adjusted and jetted properly to be efficient but these days most people don’t know what they’re doing and most dealers are going to send it to factory specs and if it starts and runs, they will call it good They’re not about to sit there and adjust it for fuel mileage. But that makes the EFI more practical in the Lawn Mower market. The fuel injection is just easier.

@PVHIII44 5 лет назад

YAMAHA MX825V 33HP ENGINE EFI..I love this engine..Totally OUT PERFORMS the Kawasaki 35 carbed and it's not even close.

@cachamp203 5 лет назад

I’d say stick with an EFI. The Kawasaki with the carb will be a gas eating machine. You also want more HP to run the bagging set up since it’s pulley driven. If you have many properties with slopes that you bag you will appreciate the extra power. I have a Kawasaki with a carb on a Scag Tiger Cat 2 with their bagging system that is belt driven. When I use it on a hill on my property it almost stalls out.

@Charlie-fc1mh 2 года назад

Oh yeah, I went to look at a scag patriot 52 inch deck and it had the Briggs vanguard (carbeurated) pretty sure it was 26 hp. Wasn't really the model I was looking for but at 7200, not a bad buy. Got turned down on the financing. The guys name is Bruce at Quick Cuts in Claxton GA. I asked him about the Briggs vanguard EFI and he said he's sold a bunch of them and so far not one has come back for warranty work

@dand33911 5 лет назад

Efi if your selling b4 warranty expires and your worried about fuel costs. I love my carb kawi, but it will eat the 13 gallon tank in a day. Have you ever thought of going diesel? Buy offroad fuel, maintenance costs are more, and their heavier. But they hold their value better then gas. I think I'm going to keep my 60" and get a 72" diesel next year.

@Orefamilylawncare 4 года назад

Kawasaki carb. Far superior by design, less to go wrong. You can absorb cost if fuel into each job easily 🤷 just my two cents worth.

@brandoncalvert2994 5 лет назад

Dixie chopper silver eagle vanguard 27 hp. That would help you out alot.

@The2012waiting 5 лет назад

Both bad with E10-15 fuel but carbs are easy to clean/repair compaired to FI. I have had nightmares with my last boat FI. No more E10/15 for me besides my Truck. Nope....All my small engines, etc including my bikes non ethanol. I prefer carb units from here on out myself.

@JEVVJITSU Месяц назад

if you have the money, the fuel injected ones cut grass better, not requiring any need to go slow, irregardless of how long/thick/wet the grass is. whereas you definitley have to mow accordingly in that regard with the carbed's

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814 5 лет назад

Think of a kohler EFI engine as a car engine on your mower; both have crankshaft sensors, oxygen sensors, and electronic control modules to interpret these electrical inputs. So you have all these sensitive electronic components exposed to excessive vibration, water intrusion, huge amperage spikes from the clutch turning on and off (which fry the modules on more susceptible mowers). Now then, how many small engine mechanics are going to spend $2000.00 on a lab scope so they can diagnose these sensors? Not many.. They are going to keep throwing parts at the mower until it is fixed. $$$

@KrysDuh904 5 лет назад

👍🏼

@AB-mj5tm 5 лет назад

You nailed it.. Absolutely true. I also heard a lot of probs with charcoal filters.

@bobjordan2535 5 лет назад

Its 2019 , get the efi and just make sure to fun clean gas and change the filter on time. You wouldn't buy a new truck with a carb would you?

@arborvinelandscapingl.l.c8131 5 лет назад

always wanted efi but always turn back to Kawasaki when it’s time to buy...

@southernokie3430 2 года назад

Well I found out that Koehler command isn’t as good as it use to my brother got 2500 hrs on his Dixon

@karlsackrider2049 5 лет назад

Hi Brian, your video is great and does bring up a good question. Also it makes me have a few questions. Please take these at face value, not trying to be argumentative. So the first thing is your Exmark.....it was repaired and your up and going so that’s great! I was a little confused when you said it was under warranty and it only cost $140 dollars. Confused? If your Superduty was in for repairs and they said that it was covered under warranty then handed you a bill and directed you to the cashier would that be acceptable? Just curious, that stuck out at me as odd... When you were mower testing you stated over and over again you are an Exmark guy. That’s cool, they make a great mower. Do you see yourself switching makes? For me it’s almost 50/50 dealer and machine. If you have a good relationship with Weingartz it would be tough to switch and have lesser service. However getting charged for warranty work makes me question that. Who knows maybe you bought blades or something and it totally makes sense.... EFI vs Carb. How much money do you think it actually saved you? It would be a neat test to run one machine (carb) for a day or maybe a week. Then run another machine (efi) for the same period and see what the savings are. Personally I don’t know. Never had a gas EFI. But with fuel savings being a question I wonder if diesel should be considered? Take the new Z994 by John Deere. That 24 HP Diesel should be way better than either. Does the cost get offset by fuel savings? Personally when we have a piece of equipment here’s our considerations Acquisition cost Down time Cost of upkeep and daily operating Life expectancy Resale. For us diesel made sense. They do cost more, but use less fuel, live longer and bring more money when sold. Just my .02 cents. Love the videos. Can’t wait for the blower wars video!!!

@hondaforlife6161 5 лет назад

I think he meant if he had to pay it would of been 140

@GyroRon 5 лет назад

I've had problems with the carb on my Kawasaki fx on my wright. Fixing to buy a new wright and going to try the vanguard efi.

@RandyOrton21000 5 лет назад

man im gonna be honest with you i could be wrong but ive never seen you have an issue with that mower right? if no correct me but the main reason i say you should stick with this one think of the HP and plus your deck size 29HP is almost pushing it with a 60" and another thing you run a bagging system so that will overpower that 29HP it puts more stress on the deck and motor and the good thing with the Red Tech your engine gets mower performance and runs more level so that bagger blower wont even be an issue having the RED TECH now your 34HP is almost over kill especially if you come across knee level grass so keep that in mind i think you oughta go with the same unit plus again like you said fuel costs and of course the most important moto if you take care of your mower it will take care of you and thats what youve done with your exmark hop this helps Brian your pal Joe~

@brianvillage9649 5 лет назад

I wouldn’t necessarily be afraid to purchase a mower with an EFI based on repair cost, EFI failures are relatively rare. Kawasaki has a DFI engine which looks sweet but that’s a newer technology for mowers so I might be skeptical on that. I’m curious how much you find yourself using your mowers full capacity? You could probably honestly downgrade to something in the 25-30 hp range and save money that way as well.

@seanmclaughlin7415 5 лет назад

I heard to stay away from the new Kawasaki's, period! Having issues with them. Seeing a lot more Briggs in place of. The 27hp horizontal shaft on the Scag 60 was bullet proof. Scag!!!

@stephenfarynaz7229 2 года назад

Umm... I'm a small engine guy.... We rarely do repairs on kawis. We work On kohler every, single, day... Also, if u actually had 2 work on a scag, you'd wanna blow your brains out... They really suck, lol

@seanmclaughlin7415 2 года назад

There was a short stint of kaw’s that did not have a good reputation. Mainly the vertical shaft, horizontal engines.

@stephenfarynaz7229 2 года назад

@@seanmclaughlin7415 it's either vertical, or horizontal.... Can't be both

@seanmclaughlin7415 2 года назад

@@stephenfarynaz7229 The shaft is vertical, but the block cylinders are horizontal. Never had to fix a Scag.

@stephenfarynaz7229 2 года назад

@@seanmclaughlin7415 I've literally never heard of these, if u can link me 2 a vid on 1 I'll watch it

@Pygmara 4 года назад

I want to purchase a commercial grade zeroturn for home usage of 2 acres. I want it to last 30 years. Which brand(s) would be best? Already think ill go with Kaw fx engine and 50-60" cut. Is a Toro Z Master 2000 be good enough to last or should I look at like a used scag tt??

@BriansLawnMaintenance 4 года назад

Scag and Exmark and Toro all have great options 👍

@Irishman1776 4 года назад

I'm in the business but I mow 2 1/2 acres at my home. I normally use a residential 48" Ariens and can mow it in less that 2 hours. When I use my 61" Spartan I can get it done in about an hour. If it takes you 1 1/2 hours to mow, and you mow it 30 times per year that equals 45 hours per year of run time. Over 30 years that is 1,350 hours of run time and the majority of commercial mowers should easily do it with proper maintenance. The problem you might run into is finding parts for such an old mower when something does break.

@Pygmara 4 года назад

I've thought of that irishman.. and I've narrowed my search to scags. Looking for a good deal on the 32hp tiger cat ii.. yes I know its overkill but I do not care. I looked at most the popular brands and seems to me scags really are the best but thats coming from someone who's never ran one, only a ton of research.. oh, I'm moving a country yard, so ferris was an option for comfort but I choose durability over that since my ride time may be 30-40 hrs a year

@Irishman1776 4 года назад

@@Pygmara As long as it's commercial I think you'll be fine with whatever brand you choose. My previous mower was a Scag V ride. It was a good mower but I went with a Spartan this time around.

@samkelton85 5 лет назад

I run vanguard Briggs for now on no matter what! I ran Kawasaki carbs for ever and nothing but trouble. Never one problem out of vanguard and I’ve wracked up hours on it. EFI all the way

@paintedwarrior516 Год назад

I'm currently in the market for the Lazer Z X series, 993, with 37 hp Vanguard with oil protection, which is EFI

@BriansLawnMaintenance Год назад

Nice!

@seanmclaughlin7415 5 лет назад

Would you consider the Briggs Big Block?

@BriansLawnMaintenance 5 лет назад

The Vanguard? Ya those are a tank.

@stroutstergmail 5 лет назад

You say you have a good relation with your dealer so ask them. Talk to the mechanic as well. You seem like a smart guy, start learning about this stuff. It's part of the business, things break. My brother has been fixing mowers and trimmers in the field for 23 years. Mcgyver's got nothing on him.LOL. Back to your question, I think EFI would be better in the long run.

@rodneydriggers1241 2 года назад

That Kawasaki is a 35 hp just sold mine had numerous problems within one year it was in the shop 6×2 new transmissions 5400Hydro drive transmission one of the spindles had to be replaced and the cut quality was terrible they worked on it numerous times trying to improve the cut quality I never could figure it out going back with scaggs

@trailerparkgarage6574 5 лет назад

Will never own a Kawi again had absolutely no problems with my Kohler or Briggs powered mowers. Had both EFI and Carb models.

@logdon17 5 лет назад

Would depend how proven the EFI tech is. My dad bought a Harley the very first year they added EFI and it was a total disaster. A couple years later, their EFI tech was reliable and far superior to a carb.

@chuckgilbert2035 Год назад

I have owned both carb and EFI Harley, by far I go with the EFI. I am also a master auto tech with knowledge of how to use a lab scope so EFI does not bother me with technology so if you have to pay for the higher end tech, or the tech you have working on mowers is not up to speed on the technology it will cost more to fix. It is a proven fact EFI engines last longer. Twice my carb mowers needle has stuck running gas into my crankcase. EFI all the way if I have a choice.