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There's anime out there telling almost identical story. Aegis destroyer goes to 1942, but the crew decides to not intervene, and at one point even turns on the Japanese forces, while trying to broker peace between the nations.
All of these time travel scenarios seem to play out the same way: "Q: Does small amount of modern tech beat large amount of old tech? A: Yes, overwhelmingly, it wins easily at long range where the old tech can't even respond. But then it runs out of ammo/fuel/spare parts and can't do anything anymore,, so its overall impact on the war is limited" I'd be more interested to see one where either: A) the modern tech wins completely and changes the course of the war or B) the modern tech is actually useless (eg, a radar jammer is of no use against an enemy that doesn't have radar)
Lol we're seeing that in the Ukraine war, Ukraine and it's less numbered modern western weaponry causing mass casualties and losses against old Soviet stuff used by the russia. Either way, I'd also be interested if the destroyer also uses communication jamming as well.
It's the exact plot of a Japanese anime/manga series, called 「Zipang」, except the destroyer in the series is a fictional Yukinami class guided missile destroyer, based on the Kongo class with a hangar for helicopters.
Ww2 gets extended by a couple of months (they would help but due to the mass industry America had and The number of warships, they would get overwhelmed eventually)
@Pabcu250 Three American carriers happened to be at sea when Pearl Harbor was attacked. Japanese F-35B long range sensors would have located them quickly and sunk them.
That would prolong the war by a long time. But the japanese could have not replaced any lost F35s and eventually any spare parts within the carriers for the F35s would run out. After that the war would go somewhat similarly to how it went in real life. Also technology would be more advanced in this timeline as the world of 1940s gets to study 2000s technology.
@@Chuck_Hooks true but they would eventually run out of ammo (unless the modern weapons manufacture comes as well) also my speculation was for the long term, in Pearl Harbor yeah Japan would win with the modern carriers but in the long term, they would still probably lose but still deal a ton more damage to the American navy
@Pabcu250 Radar was new and very primitive. F-35Bs are designed from the ground up to absorb and deflect modern state-of-the-art radars. F-35B stealth vs. primitive 1940s radars would take every American carrier to the bottom. And the sinking of the three American carriers at Pearl Harbor would have had very long term detrimental effects on the US navy's ability to attack anywhere in the Pacific. Likely to the point of nullifying US naval surface ships completely since so much was built around American carriers.
ZIPANG escenario let go! Nice to see the binkov take a break from recent events and back to scenarios. Also check those improved visuals! Also when jsdf in place of imperial army!
The submarine USS Nautilus DID have a meaningful impact on the battle. A Japanese destroyer was hunting for it, lost it, and gave up and went back at high speed to the main fleet. A US Navy pilot saw the wake from the ship, and flew in the direction it was going. It found the carriers and bombed them.
Dear Mr. Binkov, A very interesting video, though it seems coming straight up from the Anime series of "Zipang". One thing you forgot to mention is the missile type Tomahawk block V. Though a very interesting approach 👍🏽
From Wiki: Zipang (Japanese: ジパング, Hepburn: Jipangu) is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Kaiji Kawaguchi. It was serialized in Kodansha's seinen manga magazine Morning from 2000 to 2009, with its chapters collected in forty-three tankōbon volumes. It tells the story of the members of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force who are transported back in time more than 60 years to 1942.
Well, the Mirai went back, but the captain refused to participate in the battle of Midway to prevent a change in History. Later when they realized they already in a changed timeline, the Mirai sinked the USS Wasp.
If I recall, near the end of the anime, there was also another ship that traveled back in time (same timeline as the Mirai) and that ship was an American ship. Even if the Mirai's crew wanted to change history, I don't think it would have been possible since the American also had a future warship. Love the series though!
@@toolaggy5705 There was no other ships, the anime ended before the manga. The crew destroyed the Mirai to prevent the world powers to use modern tech. But a WW2 Japanese Naval officer who they saved started to already plot in the timeline to change Japanese history. But no other ship travelled back, only the Mirai, and they destroyed it and the crew started a new life. The anime ended where they packed the Mirai full with bombs to sink it if the japanese or the US try to get their hand on it.
@@Knightmare919 yep, a Tomahawk against the USS Wasp, and that’s after decimating it’s air arm, unfortunate that they let a dive bomber get so close to do a “suicide” dive on her, and yeah I know the pilot bailed ;)
Still pretty upset that the English translation of Zipang is just 1/3rd the way through, while the French translation is long finished. It's my favorite time travel manga and I wish it'd get picked up again.
this NOT literally the plot of said manga cause the jmsdf crew did not like idea of changing the course of history . . . buut interesting none to less to theorize how far they could go if they went the ballistic route.
Your talking about the sci-fi anime Zipang. The aegis destroyer the Mirai goes back to 1942 as it decides whether not to intervene in the pacific war. Without the American 1981 sci-fi film The Final Countdown there would be no Zipang.
I think the psychological effect of how Japan was able to detect the US so early, and how they shoot down their planes from a distance would be quite terrifying to the US. The US would probably start believing that Japan has a "Wunderwaffe". lol
If only Mitsuo Fuchida lived longer, he’d be out there telling anyone who would listen, that _this did happen_ , that he was the Captain of the super-destroyer from the future, and that despite him working miracles, Admiral Nagumo still snatched defeat from the jaws of victory!
Frankly, Zipang is a better scenario than Binkov is proposing here. The crew from the future knowing about the outcome of the war is essential to the exercise.
Yup damn shame the manga English translation is freaking slow that it might actually take a decade for it to be translated. While the french translation was deleted from history.
There's a film called, the final countdown, which instead of the modern Japanese destroyer here, it's an American aircraft carrier The aircraft carrier was teleported to Dec 7, 1941, pearl harbor Hawaii where two f-14 engaged the Japanese zeroes & almost prevented the outcome of the war
This HAS to be in response to seeing the anime Zipang, where the JS Mirai does a Final Countdown and shows up on the eve of Operation MI. THEY DO NOTHING. They do sink the USS Wasp later, but in self-defense. And the manga ends sorta weird. Oh yeah, some bad guys end up with a nuke but they foil that plan. Ha, and the ending IS like The Final Countdown.
Interesting, I question the crew engaging in actions supporting the Japanese ships. I think if this was from the German perspective, it wouldn't be save the Bizmark, it would be kill Hitler.
nobody is interested in seeing the allies win harder thogh? Plus you wouldt have knowlege that he is a "bad " guy. My teacher in history class asked the class who would be part of a resistance like the white rose if living at the time and all but me raided their hand.....i said i would be in the hittler youth since i would have been raised in that time and as we have all seen nearly nobody actuall oposed him till he started losing the war ,-))). Hindsight is a butifull thing ......that absolutly screws any i would have done .... statment.
This would make a good premise for a movie, - a reverse Final Countdown. The Destroyer crew would face a moral conundrum on whether to support their country, or destroy their future and their closest Ally.
Basically the plot of the anime/manga "Zipang". They were in a dilemma about whether to support their Japanese countrymen who were genocidal and warmongering dudes or the Americans who were their closest allies on their timeline.
After watching the movie "The Final Countdown, " where a modern US Carrier traveled back in time. I imagined an alternative where a modern Japanese Carrier, went back in time to the battle of Midway.
I know this is purely theoretical but I'm pretty sure AEGIS and the missiles 'using coordinates provided by the helicopter' would use GPS satellites and communications that don't exist in WW2. It's actually possible that thing is largely useless except it's radar and communications.
All good until the ship breaks. Since modern ships basically have no armor and depend on their systems for defense, once one of those systems goes down and there are no parts or infrastructure to fix it, the ship is pretty much a sitting duck.
I'd like to see a victorious Nazi Germany vs a victorious Imperial Japan after an axis victory. Nazi Germany was a primarily land power whereas Imperial Japan was primarily a Naval power.
If you want to know how powerful modern-day destroyers are, in the final battle of Zipang in the manga, the antagonist uses the Yamato to attack the Aegis destroyer that time-travelled to ww2 but the destroyer single-handedly sinks the battleship in the end. This just shows how powerful missiles are compared to huge artillery cannons on ships.
Ah, YES! My friend, you must've watched the anime "Zipang", right? That's WHY you did this video, didn't you? So, if you're going this path, let me ask you this: If you're familiar with the '80s film "Final Countdown" wherein the USS Nimitz & her Carrier Battle Group travelled to the Battle of Midway, what would happen if this time-travelling JMSDF Haguro/Mirai Aegis destroyer ran into the time-travelling Nimitz Carrier Battle Group? That would make for a very interesting video! Anyway, STAY SAFE & BE WELL!
@@yuhno808 I beg to disagree. The mere fact that the time-travelling Japs chose to help their countrymen from the past to destroy the US Navy's carriers proves that they'd be enemies should the Nimitz Carrier Battle Group encounter the Haguro/Mirai Aegis destroyer. Actions speak louder than words, after all.
There's also an anime called 'Zipang' where a very conflicted Japanese crew of a destroyer gets sent back to WWII, and tries to thread the needle between becoming a pawn of Imperial Japan and being murdered by the US while quickly running out of supplies.
The main benefit of a modern warship to a historical fleet is sensors. It's that simple. Ammunition runs out, and air attacks back then were based on dozens or hundreds of planes. Modern warships are, generally, flimsier than old fashioned stuff with real armor. But this thing has sensors out the ying yang. There would be no surprising it with 1940s tech.
One-way aircraft raids to defend Midway seem unlikely, as US planners would almost certainly sacrifice Midway in favor of conserving forces for Hawaii and west coast defense. Agree that strategic effect is to prolong the war but not change the ultimate outcome, as US industrial capacity was just too great. US would sooner or later figure out that the advanced radar capability exists on only one Japanese ship, and plan strikes in areas where that ship was not.
The greatest difficulty in utilizing the modern destroyer would be communicating it's high powered observations to the rest of the fleet to act upon. The fact that Japan was operating under radio silence makes this even worse. The best senario is for the Destroyer to become the flagship so the Japanese commander can directly access all that info and directly control the most powerful asset they have.
wait isnt ther an anime out there witch exaclty depicts this story. Also i rememberd that ther is a movie about the modern USS enterprise CV that timetraveld to midway.
Ya, the strategic awareness that a modern destroyer would provide would easily turn the tables if properly utilized. It was already a near run things ... so ya it would make a huge difference.
Actually what this shows is the advantage NATO intelligence gives Ukraine to the point they're currently fighting at near parity with Russia, despite disparity in materiel.
EXACTLY! i was about to write something about that, as the main gun on modern ships use programable rounds with proxy fuze capability to down airborn threats. Would have done more damage due to ammunition compliment then the anti air missiles in this time period
This is a concept covered in a really good anti war anime called Zipang Highly recommend, it deals with the morality of using weapons with such such a massive tech gap
Idea: Assess the whole of Konpeki no Kantai It's a 90s alternate ww2 scenario anime about Admiral Yamamoto going back to time Idk well if there are sources to base with
A question i have is how would a 1918 army do agaisnt a 1915 army? Take the 1914 German army at his full strength and have it fight agaisnt the American or French army of 1918. It would be an interesting way of showing just how far war evolved during those years, from near napoleonic to close to modern warfare
You forgot about the "helicopter destroyers" that just happen to carry a wing of F-35's and are totally not aircraft carriers, you should have done this video with on of those "destroyers", lol.
i gotta supose he is saving that for a full jmsdf switcheroo like with the luftwaffe and modern germany aiforce. This is a ZIPANG escenario just like The Final countdown one
Someone (I forget who, it wasn't a channel I normally watch) recently did a video simulating a modern US cruiser against the entire Japanese fleet at Midway. The simulation was very poorly set up and made some very bad assumptions, and the cruiser lost badly. If you do it as a thought experiment instead, it seems probable, assuming you start the engagement just after the Japanese Midway strike had launched (i.e. just after 0430), that the cruiser would easily win. It's just as well here that you didn't bother with any simulator and just did it purely as a thought experiment. It is notable that one single US sub had an extraordinarily decisive impact on the battle - the Nautilus. Its attack on the Kirishima caused the Japanese to detach the Arashi to track it down, and as the Arashi was rejoining the main fleet, McClusky's dive bomber squadron, who had completely missed the Japanese task force, spotted the destroyer and followed it back to the main fleet, allowing it to execute its dive bomb run that sank two Japanese carriers. If the Nautilus hadn't drawn off the Arashi, McClusky would never have found the Japanese carriers, and the battle would have gone extremely differently. Of course, in this scenario, McClusky's squadron, and all the rest, probably never launch at all, so in that sense the subs become unimportant. They might still try to engage and attack, but given the quality of modern anti-sub warfare (equipment, weapons, training), they would likely have no real chance. So yes, on the whole, I agree with your assessment that a single modern Japanese destroyer would completely flip the outcome of the battle.
The Destroyer's main asset is its radar. It would give away the American ambush and the IJN could move into positions of ambush themselves while staying outside of US radars. That alone would result in a US massacre, even if the Haguro doesn't participate in any fighting; just providing intel.
