Could an US supercarrier defeat the whole Japanese WWII navy? 

it'd be about as unreal as the city next to you exploding out of nowhere

@@hashbrownz1999 get nuke'd 😎😎😎😎😎

“Never knew the Americans used dark magic” -random Japanese sailor

I hope i die if we lose otherwise i will have to commit sepuku

@@hashbrownz1999 read in a book that everyone in the bombed cities thought a normal, albeit large bomb fell right next to them.then they went outside and it was exactly the same everywhere

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XDDDDDDDD Masaka!?

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LMMFAO. And then trying to find the Japanese company that made it. That would have them pulling their hair out.

just get one time traveler to convince the Austrian painter not to attack Stalingrad and boom the Axis win WW2

@@bladedninja8853 They would still have to withstand like two other terrible high casualties battles, man.

@@bladedninja8853 even without stalingrad axis would still lose though

@@bladedninja8853 no lmfao. this is just so fundementally wrong

There is no strike group in this scenario. Just a carrier.

Didn’t even think of this but you’re exactly right. It would probably be reasonable to expect they could have a bomb ready by the end of 1943. The question would be how to use them, because at this point the Japanese people still have very high morale. Would you just blow up every major city? build tactical warheads for military targets and attach them to modern missiles? Difficult to say

@@MacTac141 The Japanese people had high morale all the way till the surrender, because they were led to believe they were winning convincingly all the way until that point. The bombings of Nagasaki, Hiroshima were a huge shock to them, and what most people don't seem to realize is that the firebombing of other cities actually killed more people and was worse yet on morale. There were a surprising number of japenese who were angry with their government for surrendering, even in the face of total annihilation, because for them, dying was honorable, surrender was not.

Made nukes by taking fuel from the reactors. And disabling the hip. While contaminating it?

@@charleslloyd4253 No, you wouldn’t have to destroy the reactor or even remove it. The ship would likely be anchored in an American port and have a constant flow of nuclear engineers going in and out. They’d build either a duplicate reactor or just use the lessons from the existing one to build a new one for plutonium production After that you have both nukes and a nuclear carrier, whether they’d risk it at all is a different question as the things they could learn from a modern carrier in the 40’s is unfathomable

@@MacTac141 Even just showing them how to use an angled recovery strip would be a huge improvement in flight operations.

Yes please!

Lmao

Hmmm what level of Tarkington Doctrine is that strike force on? Because I’m leaning toward the rowing crew I a cement canoe

That made me laugh

Harvard'd win. Imperials wouldn't be able to hit the finish line. They never hit anything.

There was allready jet engines in the late 30s .. it was an experimental tech but not unheard of.. think of it like today ramjets and similar wich have prototipes but no in service anything yet... im sure if a NATO pilot would encounter today some russian fighter with ramjets it wouldnt go saying is magic or impossible

@@sparrowlt the first operational jet engine was in 36 but it did not fly until 41. Rockets and rocket engines had been used me 163. But this was not something the average pilot or a 19 year old sea man would have even imagined in 1942.

Hiryu, Soryu, and Kaga race her for the bottom before he can raise his binoculars.

@@sparrowlt They did not have supersonic fighters with radar guided missiles that could target other aircraft and splash them from five miles out. The ME 262 would be severely outclassed by an F/A18.

@@Shutterbug5269 of course.. but the japanese pilots in this have no way of knowing that.. and actually they died not knowing.. the guy gunned down as far as he is aware was that (gunned down) and the other probably never even knew a heat seeking missile was homing on him

The U.S. essentially destroyed the Japanese navy, and stormed all the way to the Japanese mainland, announced plans to launch a total invasion, and dropped the literal sun on its major cities TWICE and did not surrender until it became a 2 front war when the Soviet Union declared war. Even then there were major mutiny and coup attempts to prevent a surrender. Zero shot they would’ve surrendered because of some futuristic fighters.

​@@nickolasjackson4902The Japanese emperor surrendered because of the atomic bombs, according to the Japanese emperor. He also said the war was unwinnable, which is probably the opinion he would have if every plane and boat they sent out disappeared due to an enemy they couldn't see until after the damage was done, and also couldn't see because that enemy could attack in the middle of the night just as well as during the day. The US in real life had to spend years fighting a bloody war inch by inch to get to Japan, modern technology could cut that to effectively overnight, and Japan would lose all its forces without taking anything in return. Also modern jets would be able to avoid anti-air from the 40s pretty easily and probably take out whoever they wanted to from Japan's leadership.

​@@nickolasjackson4902The Japanese emperor surrendered because of the atomic bombs, according to the Japanese emperor. He also said the war was unwinnable, which is probably the opinion he would have if every plane and boat they sent out disappeared due to an enemy they couldn't see until after the damage was done, and also couldn't see because that enemy could attack in the middle of the night just as well as during the day. The US in real life had to spend years fighting a bloody war inch by inch to get to Japan, modern technology could cut that to effectively overnight, and Japan would lose all its forces without taking anything in return. Also modern jets would be able to avoid anti-air from the 40s pretty easily and probably take out whoever they wanted to from Japan's leadership.

@@giant0mantis despite japans emperor surrendering there were multiple attempted coups and many military leaders who at least still didn’t want to surrender. They surrendered not only because of the atomic bomb. But that coupled with an impending invasion on both sides. Also if you watched this whole video you’d see the U.S. probably wouldn’t just be able to take out the entire fleet overnight like magic

@@nickolasjackson4902 "People that weren't in charge wanted to keep fighting" Yeah there are a lot of people that don't want to do what their leadership does, that doesn't change anything

Captain Kirk is a legend.

@Done with you Seen it.

I don't think said pilot would even survive that long. Especially if the CIWS was shooting the old depleted uranium ammo.

They knew about jet engines. They used one for their kamikaze planes.

@@steviejohnson378 Those weren't jet engines lol. Just shitty rocket interceptors

@@kellanroberts2785 Sorry my bad. Their jet aircraft in late ww2 was this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_Kikka

"Look at me... I am the admiral now."

If you make a 21 minute video maybe we can find out

“Look at me, i am the emperor now!”

im placing bets on the somali he got AK

@@Julianna.Domina nice

Based just on the load out showed on the video, they would have 5x the number of munitions than they would need. LGB 500lbs is capable of sinking the vast majority of those ships

Jet fuel would not be a problem

My only question is what's the fuel constraints for the jets.

@@Skiiiiiifreeeeeee JP-5 is basically 99% kerosene, white kerosene is even closer. Kerosene is extremely common. In a pinch diesel and AVGAS will work, with reduction in max performance

Boom! Yes, Radar.

Submarines once!

@@livid76 Submarines Twice!

Yes .. this was my major beef with this scenario as well. A supercarrier especially will always have at least two. They're just too valuable of an asset to not provide them with every tactical advantage (offense and defense).

no need as v british knew/ broke v german codes at v start of ww2, eg vey knew pearl was goina b attacked but didint tell v yanks as vey wanted v reluctant yanks 2 enter v fight as we needed em. vey used v worlds first ( sry chinese-abacas) computer which was designed nbuilt in v 1800s in v uk, modified it n called it enigma. its why v allies won v war.

@@richtensail I just got a stroke by reading that

@@komodo.dragons.are.very.cool99 wt p[art was shocking 2 u?, im curious?, al vis info is freely available n been in v public domain 4 decades. im happy 2 gve u mre info, ive noticed many dnt know history. cheers

@@komodo.dragons.are.very.cool99 i rmber v first comp was desingned by a english woman n a scotsman in v 1860s.? it was v size of a house, it was put in a museum 4 60 yrs by queen victoriaas colecting dust. imgine creating v worlds first computer n v gvt says its very nice wewll put it in storage 4 v rest of ur life!. v elites didint understand its abilities, in 40s uk vey did n used it 2 win ww2.

@@richtensail First a stroke, now you're starting to put me in a coma

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One Ohio class nuclear sub vs ALL of Germany and Japan. Those poor bastards, have no idea.

@@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan if its a SSGN instead of a SSBN it doesnt hold enought firepower to effectibly defeat all their manufacture and military assets.. nuclear would do but with serious repercusions for nearby allies

I could have sworn that was already a movie or an episode of a tv show

Vladimir Lenin Commie it is

Actually the Kamikaze didn't come about until later in the war. In 1942, certainly before Midway, Japanese pilots fully intended to return to their carriers.

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AND THEY KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN? +10000000000000000 MORALE

Small carrier group filled with unexperienced sailors that will piss themselves at the first glance of hundreds of kamikaze pilots flying towards them vs the entire imperial navy with thousand of planes, ships and millions of disposable fanatical men..... Morale-1000000000000000000000000000000000

@@Riimaachan literally a single g61 avenger vs all that BS +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Morale

@@Riimaachan There were no kamikaze pilots until just before the end of the war in 1945. It was a last ditch desperation move after most of the Japanese fleet had already been lost. Besides, no aircraft in existence at the time would have any hope whatsoever of penatrating a modern carrier's defenses to crash into the carrier.

@@PanzerVII-df8hg introduce me to infinite ammunition and then we can talk, otherwise the carrier group will go dry in a week max

They had several key flaws. But that was downfall of most damaged ships, could have been saved but ultimately were lost. They carriers were also had a number of design flaws. Stored aviation fuel in the walls of the hanger. Enclosed hangers, better for explosions to out the sides than up. The deadly long lance Torpedoes that filled almost every IJN, sank a number of their own ships, in one case it exploded from a strafing run. Although damage control was able to save that one.

The US Navy had fire control teams, but didn’t train the entire crew until the Forrestal disaster in Vietnam.

@@Grandizer8989 true to an extent. The US did not do a good job after ww2 in keeping lessons learned during the war going after the big drawn down of experience soldier/sailors. But, in comparison of US Navy 1942 vs IJN 1942. The US was extremely better at damage control compared to the IJN. While both are lesser in comparison to modern Navy practices. But ww2 IJN is the example of what not to do, irony is they copied western nations practices which was the standard at the time. When they learned they needed to change it was already too late, they couldn't train new sailors quick enough to replace the ones they were losing.

Midway proves otherwise, damage control on the Yorktown was far greater than any ship from the Kido Butai, not to mention Yorktown had just been damaged at the battle of Coral Sea, but the carrier was fixed and present at midway just a few days later.

gd info, seems flawed 2 me, it wood tke mre tme 2 act n also wat happens whn v specialised damge control parties r injured killed?, dnt like v idea, everyone needs 2 have training in dc, ff n fa. sure have specilisd advanced dc party as well if v ship can afford em?

the carrier is nuclear so fuel is covered and they carry a lot of ammo and food for months o f fighting

and then if they used the new ford supercarrier it could plob take the entire 1942 japan sea force by itself

@@hunterbear2421 If the Destroyers used in this video was the Zumwalt destroyers with their nuclear reactors, there is literally no limit to how far and long the carrier group can travel. By themselves, the group can at least last for 6 months. So really, the US would get a huge upper hand above their already advantageous position.

@@shadowkillz9606 Zumwalts are gas turbine power.

@@hotshtsr20 Zumwalts are powered by 4 gas turbine generators* There fixed it for you, you're welcome 😎

wrong

More like a 105mm howitzer from 1940 against a 105mm MBT cannon from 2016

no it isnt its more like using an RPG to kill a guy with toy sword

ok i man 1 gun 6 bullets, 100 men wit large nasty looking sticks- i know whos gona win!

against an amry of sticks

Ya, no US carrier travels with only 3 support vessels. Thats a myth for adversaries. And if you think nothings lurking under the surface thats a you problem! America cares more about submarines than stealth aircraft. They are literally the most elusive piece of americas nuclear arsenal. A carrier strike group is most likley capable of 100-300 heroshimas and nagasaki's by blast force. Seeing as 1 modern nuke is easily 50x

They don't run out of ammo. Engineers onboard know how to make the ammo needed and supplies to make them are readily available in the US

@@jimbob.2299 Would 1940's ammo work with modern tech? Serious question

@@mahchoo well Fighter Jet and ground attack pilots know how to use a Free Fall Bomb and Glide Bombs, so in my opinion, yes, it will work

***oil

The battle of beaulieu wood thinks differently

Not just that, but how about an actual integrated circuit chip let alone microprocessors in the hands of 1940 researchers still trying to figure out how they even make semiconductors. Oh so it’s done like that! Now of course that would put the infamous Radio Shack out of business almost instantly as tubes would cease to exist... Discoveries from the people onboard in advanced explosives chemistry, metals, materials science, and even simply air conditioning would ultimately become more valuable than the ships themselves. The technology they bring will be as valuable if not more so than the hardware itself as this magical stuff would simply be technology they just don’t understand....yet.

We used this person's "mobile phone" to crack all their cyphers.

@@scoutmaster33 The funny thing is, we'd probably skip straight past the cold war with this. Hell, the WW2 allies would have likely continued and pushed the Soviets out of europe with this big of an advantage. Also, some clever folk could probably make some suggestions about giving some aid to the areas of Asia that were hit by Japan and not letting China become the monster it is today. Hell, they'd probably have to have one of their guys who studied history give a full briefing of our timeline. So they could hopefully avoid the pitfalls we fell into. At which point the only worry is if our politicians got drunk on this power.

USS John F. Kennedy was an oil-fired carrier. The last one, in fact.

@@BogeyTheBear they meant the new one, cvn-79, also named after jfk, not the old one - cv-67 - you are reffering to

Screw honour they some how have the power of anime even though we invented it

@America that’s why they don’t fly in fog or bad weather

@America We use an E6B flight computer to calculate things such as time, distance, true airspeed, wind correction angle, etc. This is technology that PanAm developed in the 30's. The PanAm navigation school is where the US Army trained bomber navigators. And that type of "dead reckoning" navigation is literally the first form of navigation you learn in flight school to this day. And we *still* have the ability to pick up surface based navigation signals (same thing they used back then - hell, some of the equipment is original to the period) just fine! Now, go take a hike you little prick.

Dad Bod vs The World you just owned that man lel

@@medinbeqiri8346 Ahaha he deserved it! GPS makes navigation easier and more convenient. But I assure you we were weren't up there just takin a damn guess before the 90's ahaha

Dad Bod vs The World I guess so haha

Except they don't defeat the Japanese fleet.

@@OnLyCraftthebest right, they decided not to because it would alter history too much.

The Final Countdown is definitely needs to be remade... but as a Mini Series. This time the carrier stays back in time, destroys the Pearl Harbor Strike Force and goes from there. Things to consider is how the U.S would handle such power along with the ability to jump light years ahead with nuclear, rocket, jet engine and computer technology via reverse engineering. Would the Cold War Happen or would the U.S threaten Russia with its super-weapon, would it become currupt and hold the world hostage? Also you have to imagine how the U.S Population would react when they see not only a non Segregated Crew but also ( if its a 2021 carrier) female pilots, officers and crew.

@@pablojose4890 They were about to but the wormhole opened up and they had to get back through.

@@cchavezjr7 you are right. Thanks for refreshing my memory - I saw it in the movie theater 40 years (too many brain cells) ago.

@@ExpectinSomeADifferentAlias same

I remember that movie when I was 10.

i did not remenber the movies name, interestingly the Technology of the movie was used on the War game Red Alert, the Chronosphere ... The objective was to put ones fleet invisible or to cross vast distances in seconds... one Trial went wrong lol ...

And if the Iowa class battleships were dropped in that would've also been a point, as their main naval guns were capable of firing nuclear shells of the same yield as the little boy. If they managed to get close to the japanese shore it would've been risky but also an incredibly deadly way to bomb port cities

My dad was on the USS Forrestal in the late 70s, early 80s. He'll tell you that they had nukes on board. They made no secret if it, either. They lined the deck with marines to guard them as they loaded them into the armory.

And providing a sample of the jetfuel to duplicate. The jets would breakdown slowly tho w/o replacement parts.

No chanse, remember, some counties can't build a nuke and they have good universities, but the engineers can provide some information about radar technology, about CDMA transmission, the Japanese code can be uncoded with all modern laptops in few hours, also people from 1940 can use reverse engineering to build jet engines, etc... More than that the jet fighters can use the radars to spot when enemy planes are on flying deck, that mean they can use just the wings cannons to turn japanese carriers into a burning hell.

I am a former Navy nuclear technician. I operated reactors for years. I would be no use whatsoever in building a bomb. I have no clue how to do things like enriching Uranium, and I know nothing about explosives. I know more than your average layman about how atom bombs work, but after the 15 minutes it took me to tell them all I knew, I’d be making coffee.

Ghotiermann That’s okay, they still had the Manhattan Project your main value would be in telling them that above ground atomic testing was a REALLY stupid idea!

I think those people are different, some are for using it practically with application knowledge , trouble shooting then there are scientists who know how its made and works chemically etc are different people....

Also theyd let people know about a bunch of communist spies like Oppenheimer so the Soviets aren't getting nukes until the mid fifties at the earliest. This probably just generally leads to the even more insanely U.S. dominant timeline really.

@@GonnaDieNever A nuclear reactor in one of those supercarriers would probably lead to a massive growth in nuclear power in the west. But the computer tech would probably be the most important piece of tech. But it wouldn't be possible. The only way they could do the time travel without making a paradox, would be to stay away from it all. Any change would break the timeline. Most likely stuff would just end up like the same timeline as the ship came from.

They would be in a loop of godliness, since now present day things would be more advanced if a nimitz carrier was sent to 1942, but then when the modern carrier is sent back it will be much more better than the nimitz, this would go on until the us can literally create black holes or smth

Alternate timeline could fix this

True@@roastedturtle0820

I came straight to the comments looking to see if anyone else has seen that movie.

Yes, but they whimped out on the ending.

Except they only took out two scout planes before the Pearl Harbor attack even started properly before returning to the future

Heard it was pretty silly

@@kbanghart Not so much silly. It just was not exploring the concept of changing the future. It was exploring the concept of temporal loops while preserving the time line we all experienced. I would like to see the former storyline followed somewhat maybe a series based on the 1632 series by Eric Flint.

I'll look for it

Reminds me of a Sat Trek episode

@@themajor2190 with Kirk Douglas and Martin Sheen

That movie sucked since they didn't do anything with the concept. The only half interesting thing in that movie was some F-14s flying around some Zeros. And none of that "combat" made sense, not to mention a Zero would literally explode if hit by anything from an F-14's arsenal, not just slowly glide into the water. The only saving grace was that they used real Zeros

Spoiler on a 40 year old movie! 😎

@@simonsmith8974 jokes aside, how'd that even be a spoiler when it's just the plot of the movie lmfao

Was stationed on the Kitty Hawk when it came out the scene of it pulling into Pearl was us I was manning the rail for the shot, the Nimitz was unavailable I think they were deployed at the time, same thing happened in Top Gun Tom Cruise was an A-hole while he was on board wanted us to salute him not happening.

I always wanted to see them fuck up the Japanese navy in that movie

....aaaand then there's the Japanese version to some extent without cliffhangers unlike that movie, a Japanese Comic/Manga, Zipang in which also had an animated adaptation. To summarize, a fictional advanced/new version of the Kongo-class comparable to the US Arleigh Burke-class from the early 2000's was sent back in time before the Battle of Midway. That ship was on it's way to presumably the RIMPAC Exercise in Hawaii when it got sent back to WW2.

Have you read destroyermen? Kind of the same premise

The final countdown.......

Splash the Zeros. I say again Splash the Zeros.

@@ryanholder7728 thank you... I've been searching for about 20 minutes to find the name of that film XD

We can't effect history by letting them know we are here! Shoots Captain. Launch all aircraft, we're going to war boys. Probably do Hoorah to keep everyone commited, or something. I'm British so I'd probably use a modern carrier to invade most of the planet or, more likely, threaten them into submission. They have advanced capability. And we have 12 of these ships, roughly. Maybe..ish.

And if you like reading, a slightly more modern take on it was done in a book called Fighting Her Father's War: The FIghting Tomcats.

I have to agree. It really can't be understated how helpless Japan would be against modern tech. I don't find the points of maintenance or limited ammunition to be relevant here. It would be a Sunday stroll for the carrier group to cruise over to Tokyo and bomb all the top government buildings. After such a devastating show of superiority, and a potentially paralyzed Japan lacking leadership, the US can issue the "surrender or die" ultimatum, which Japan would surely accept. They would have no way of knowing about the limited ammo, fuel, etc. War over.

@@jakethewhale Tokyo, government buildings specifically would be pretty bad choices I think, especially if you end up killing someone higher up the chain like the emperor by mistake, the Japanese were already reluctant to surrender and many kept on fighting even after the 2 nukes in 1945, if by any chance their emperor or someone extremely popular died, that would be it, Japanese people would look at the "surrender or die" choice and unironically decide to fight till the end. It would be a PR disaster and it would cost way too much, like Vietnam but maybe worse. The bombings on Tokyo were overall worse than a nuke and Japan was still refusing to surrender, hence Hiroshima was chosen as it was a city largely untouched by bombing raids and no one would've been able to deny the destruction of the nuke, it was a show of power and makes even the proudest government lose some morale and reconsider their choices. That's the point after all. Making the people higher up look at what they can lose and decide it's not worth it to keep fighting, because if that choice was left to the people, especially Japanese people, they would fight to the death. In summary, this theoretical supercarrier would have better luck just bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, maybe some other cities and then letting history do its job.

im pissed off the movie never really explored the situation anywhere near as deeply as they oughtve

Which one?

"Battleship" Thats the name of the movie If im wrong, correct me

@@nicasioteran3973 The Final Countdown. It was 80's esk and they went back in time due to an electrical storm.

It's way more than two eras.... especially in electronics and weaponry. There's simply no comparison. 1942-2012 is 70 years.... Think about just the average household from then til now and think about how the military must have advanced.

@@johnlee1297 You must have not played Civilization before. The game splits it up into general eras of history. You unlock World War 2 level of technology in the Modern Era, then there is the Atomic Era, and then the Information Era which we live in today. Thus 2 eras difference in the game between stuff like the first submarines and aircraft carriers to missile cruisers, jet fighters, and nuclear subs.

That was a good movie. I remember watching that when I was a kid.

@@KentuckyFriedDoge their knowledge was infantile compared to our infantile knowledge of these things

The "actual" planes were T6 Texans converted to look like Zeros. There are maybe 1 or 2 flyable Zeros left.

@@MrLucky3576 I think there is 1 and it doesn't have the original engine in it.

Yeah, it had some beautiful F14 scenes

Did the f14s engage zeros, Kate’s, betts, Tony’s, Frances ect?

@@robertmiller5607 watch the movie

First thing I thought of when I saw this. Can't believe the OP didn't mention it.

The movie was a total let down.. they spent the first 60 minutes or so building you up for a great battle and then go f*ck yourself .. you just lost 40$ taking the family to the movies !!!

My grandfather, a seal, was always really pleased with how modern weapons made his job less important .. well not less important in my opinion, but his own opinion. But he was a radio and signal specialist? Is that a thing? Thats what he said he was. He would mention how fearful he was of these new systems we propped our accuracy upon going down, and causing ships or planes and ordinance to be lost to the fogs of war if the enemy stripped our new electronic advantages. This video seems to express a little bit of that concern and I find it interesting.. but I'm a nanotech lab princess... I only know the stuff he told me about.

Don't be fucking stupid 😂😅

@@lackofdubs5975 He's not. Of the 111 countries that have a navy, 84 of them have less than 100 total ships. For most of these smaller navies, the majority of the ships are coastal patrol vessels or other similar smaller military vessels. Only 14 countries in the world have one or more aircraft carriers. Any navy without a carrier is at a huge disadvantage to navies with a carrier unless they solely operate close enough to their own land that the ships can be supported by land launched aircraft. For those countries that do not have aircraft carriers, a modern Nimitz class carrier and it's support ships would be able to destroy the majority of a smaller navy in a couple of days, assuming the enemy navy wasn't spread over a wide area. A modern Harpoon missile can be fired from over the horizon by aircraft launched from the carrier, and a Harpoon missile is powerful enough to sink smaller naval vessels with a single strike. A single Nimitz class carrier can carry as many as 130 F/A 18 Hornets, but usually has around 65 aircraft on board. Each F/A 18 can carry 4 Harpoon missiles. These aircraft could be launched from ~600-650 miles away from the enemy shipping to launch their anti-ship missiles from ~70 miles from the target, well over the horizon. The vast majority of national navies in the world today couldn't even begin to fight a single US carrier group in a formal battle.

My favorite line from that movie was when USS Nimitz was trying to communicate with Pearl and the response was along the lines of "bullshit, they'd never name a carrier after that guy"

indeed specifically the 7th carrier fleet since they probably can speak japanese

There's an actual Manga where a modern Japanese destroyer (Yukinami class) gets Isekai'ed to 1942. Zipang for anyone curious.

@@Deckaio i've watched anime it was pretty cool but it wasnt my type

@@dusteerq Never watched the Anime, but since it's using early 2000 3d models for the battles, I don't expect much. It's also much more of an military drama, so it's not for everyone. But the battles against the Wasp, and the evacuation/battle against the North Carolina were well done.

@@Deckaio watched that old anime some time ago it was very good

Use of carrier nuclear weapons might simplify things!

only partly rite.

Especially since their doctrine did not use their own planes as recon. They used the cruisers float planes as recon or the planes of nearby airfields. So their information would always be a little lacking. Hell in Battle of Midway they were informed of the location of the Yorktown but were off by 50 miles closer and twenty miles to the east meaning their planes wouldn't have even been going to the right location. Our ships are so fast, communication much better. Our ships could launch our fighters and full steam over a hundred miles to a new location and our planes could land, the japanese would have no fucking clue were our ship went thats if we let their recon planes get close enough to see us to report. People forget that cloudy weather meant planes couldn't identify targets at all. Modern planes and ships can detect one another no matter the weather pattern.

Q. how exactly is the US carrier group going to find and hit Japanese ships without satellite and GPS navigation, in the middle of the Pacific? Do you really want to be flying an F/A-18 without GPS?

@@w0mblemania They do this a lot actually. They run drills and training sims without GPS and Satellite tech often enough in case something where to ever happen to their array or something were to ever jam it. So they actually CAN operate in the same way the old Navy did too. also there is a lot more chance that they would have japanese americans on board who can speak japanese and possibly even still have info on the codes they where using allowing them to crack 100% of the Japanese communication where as at Midway they only had a partial cipher.

@@TheLastSane1 Fair enough. Cheers.

Well it’s one career vs the entire Japanese navy in ww2

tink u mean v loss of usn personel!

I would also recommend John Birmingham's Axis of Time trilogy where a 21st century Carrier group founds itself in 1942 before the battle of Midway due to an experiment that goes wrong.

No they also had radar, that’s how the British tracked the Bismarck so well.

The Imperial Japanese Navy had roughly 400 military aircraft during 1941. The reason many countries in the world don't have a lot of aircraft is because we are at peace, not wartime, countries do not need a large military in peace time.

Probably... because "most countries" don't have much of an air force. For instance any country south of the US that's largely true, Canada has about 100 fighters so not so much there. But then if you talk Europe many of the "larger" countries (France, German, Poland, etc) absolutely not, and that's mostly due to proximity to Russia. Ditto with middle eastern countries such as Egypt, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel etc, basically areas of potential conflict, the rest of Africa though not so much. Also most pacific islander nations (Fiji, Tonga, etc) don't have much of an air force either, but then as you start getting near China then it ramps back up Taiwan, Japan have substantial air forces. Now if you want an actual country by country break down to figure out how many countries are required for "most"... well that's research you need to do on your own.

A super carrier at max capacity (there’s never been a case of this AFAIK) has more planes than about 90% of the air forces on earth. Basically the rest of NATO, China, India, Pakistan, and a couple other countries have more than we can carry on a super carrier

Not by World War 2 standards where fighters were a lot cheaper. That said the Largest Air Force in the world is the U.S. Air force, and the Second Largest is the U.S. Navy.

Here is something kinda trippy. In that movie, a supercarrier from 1980 travels back 39 years to 1941. As of right now, if we traveled back 39 years it would be 1981. We are as far ahead in the future from the carrier in that movie as that carrier was to the 1941 world.

Check out the book series Axis of Time. Literally about if this happened and they got involved.

Yep, We could open Pandoras Box a little sooner. Lol

Yeah... We've got no idea exactly what is escorting them too. Scariest thing about a US CSG is those unknown subs.

God help them if said Carrier had its entire battle group. Can you say cruise missiles? I knew you could.

Lets not forget the ludicrous assumption that ww2 subs have the stealth capability to surprise a strike group. I think he forgot about the existence of sonar

@@NobleBlu Not to mention the torpedo said WWII subs would get up the ass from the dark hole in the ocean (modern attack sub) that they didn't see coming.

@@Shutterbug5269 yup

It is, but the movie avoided answering the question.

Splash the zeroes. Repeat, SPLASH the zeroes!!!

still would take decades to build up the industry/tooling/skills to produce that equipment....it would happen MUCH faster, but would still take time. *After WW2, a lot of professionals in the USA had strong sympathies for communism = that is how Russia developed their own nukes so quickly. So all this modern tech would be leaked as well.

@Imagination Is Power Setting aside inherent strength loss with 'Power Projection', destroying a destroyed country is actually a LOT harder than an advanced country. The USA is the strongest country (militarily) in terms of 'Power Projection'....BY FAR! But that doesn't mean they can beat a country like China (for example) by invading it. The USA could only project a tiny bit of its power in China...while the Chinese could bring everything they have to bear. But NOBODY can even hope to project power (invade) the USA....well, except millions of illegals streaming from South America, of course.....

And then there's the reaction from other countries. Word of a super carrier appearing out of nowhere and destroying the Japanese Navy would surely spread like wild fire. I'd like to imagibe how Britain, Nazi Germany and Russia would react. No doubt Hitler and Stalin would like to get their hands on the modern tech or force their countries to start making similar weapons.

Well here comes early hiroshima and nagasaki

Not only that but the warheads are probably way more kilotons than what was actually dropped on Japan

I don't think US carriers have nukes anymore.

​@@missano3856they don't "officially" have any nuclear weapons onboard any surface vessels

@@joebarthram596 I suspect the official truth is the truth in this case.

In the movie it was the USS Nimitz

That's not a bad movie. Worth a watch if you haven't seen it yet.

@@asdf51501 I appreciated the serious direction they took with the many good conversations but I think people need to realize before going in that it doesn't end with jets fighting Zeros.

@@asdf51501 The F-14s performing those maneuvers alone is worth a watch.

I've watched it a dozen times. Even got my son to watch it. I wished the ending was a little bit diffferent. Not giving anything away. Interesting fact, the navy helped make the film in return for the free advertising and allowing navy recruiters at theaters. According to wiki and imdb.

rubbish, the carrier would be defenceless against submarines. It would also be hopeless if a battleship caught it.

@@walesbkb IF, which wouldnt happen...

@@walesbkb brother shut up considering u didnt watch the video and the fact that u dont understand carriers have antisub abilities (designed for modern subs and not the tin cans they had in 1945, no less)

@@walesbkbIt’s an entire carrier group, not just a carrier. That means it has destroyers with it, that are extremely good against submarines

I do wonder, even if a battleship did get in range (which honestly, they won’t, a carrier far outranges a battleship and is also quite a bit faster than them thanks to nuclear propulsion), wouldn’t the carrier be able to fire tomahawks and have a pretty good fighting chance.

Everyone gangsta until kamikaze squad rolls up

@@killerso_0138 search up Phalanx Point Defense and then scroll through the comments. You see hilarious stories of how idiots were tripping their sensors with thrown rocks on the other side of their final protective line. If zeros can survive through that kind of automated fire, I think the Japanese would have won ww2 with pilots as skilled as those.

@@tarantulathree-one8013 try again. Those were stories from the early days of these systems. Technology is always being updated. They use it Cousins to shoot down rockets and motoars at US bases. But that's not the biggest problem of your post it how did the Kamikasi get that close to begin with. Did they suddenly develop stealth technology in 1942

@@Matt-mt2vi "But that's not the biggest problem of your post it how did the Kamikasi get that close to begin with. Did they suddenly develop stealth technology in 1942" Unconcerned group commander letting them get in range of CIWS to make use of those munitions and save fighter ammunition for things that can't or won't come to them. A portion of everything the carrier group needs would have to be sent to the US mainland for study and design of factories to produce them, else the carrier and its escorts will become useless in short order.

@@tremedar you don't see how much jumping through hoops you are doing to get to that point. 1. Im not ignoring probability of bad or toxic leadership that can be found in civilian or in the military. But you are not going to find a unconcerned carrier commander that would put themselves in position like that. Not billions of dollars worth of equipment and up to 4k sailors. Even worth far more as it being the only operational ship. 2. They are not giving up weapons used to protect themselves. Not planes, Helicopters, nor their 600 some anti air missles on the 4 ships. Also CIWIS 20×102mm ammunition was made in that era. Technology improvement would be faster if it came from on board engineers and manuals than the equipment itself. Even if they needed too they only need 1 or 2 of each. Kamikasi only came around once they were losing the war and were basically minimal trained pilots from land bases. So this is your reasoning, summed up. The carrier with such disregard of danger. Gave up all its air defense weapons guns and missles on all 4 ships to be studied (Or not enough to stop waves of planes to get by) Plus they gave up all their planes, so Ariel radar or CAP. And they got within what 30 miles of a Japanese island with an airbase, with almost no protection. For what reason would they do that?