Could Brood War Mech Actually Beat SC2 Protoss? 

Flash vs UThermal can finally happen

Besides the gameplay, I really enjoy the visual design of the Brood War units and buildings so much more than the SC2 design, where everything is rounded off corners and bezier curves. To me, SC2 terran always looked like a Mattel playset for toddlers, and protoss like a WoW elf faction. The old designs look great in 3D, though, which proves it was never a limitation of going from raster to vector.

lifting a building up to leave the base is so old school and i love it amazing.

If they did an SC BroodWar + SCII ladder, then SC2 would blow up.

Blizzard needs to make this an official game mode. It would really help make the game fresh.

28:06 FYI, Archons are considered hovering and won't trigger spider mines

SC2 Protoss: Where are my armies? SC1 Tanks: Gone, reduced to atoms.

Blink Stalkers are something Brood War Terrans saw in their nightmares.

We need the goliaths and vultures back for starcraft future

One thing that will be interesting to see is if the staggered siege can still work and if the new SC2 pathing helps with it. If you watch the old vids of Flash and co, the tanks were spread out because of the slow fire rates and to avoid mine drags from zealots. That required constant APM to unsiege the ones in the back and move them up but they could get caught on a lot of things. The entire map became a war zone covered in turrets, tanks and mines where mech units were rushed to the front across a wide area, as opposed to the "deathballs" that Marc is using here.

Man, I miss the brood war units soo much

With carriers you could actually make ghost with lockdown work. In BW split targeting is really difficult, but in SC2 you'd be able to perfectly lockdown every carrier

Gotta love them viltures.

Marc you gotta up that gorgeous original SC music a bit so we can all bop while you do your thing. ;)

Whoah. Was just checking out the Evo mod in other videos, and then you also come out with one. Cheers Marc, I hope this becomes a long running series.

terran looks so beautiful in green

oh yeah I remember the range upgrade on the goliath anti-air attack being absurd. Also valkyries seem really good against carriers with their air splash damage. love these brood war vids, this mod is so cool!

Brood war the way it was meant to be played.

Ever since the first previews of SCII many Toss and Zerg units where defined by "this unit counters seige tanks" and Terran where never really given counter counters, or tools other than MMM micro which doesn't always work when you need to out APM other people at your mmr by a good amount to make it work. Not to mention the "tank counters" where also good all around units as well.

I just can't comprehend how you are able to comment so much and play at such a high level at the same time. Blows my mind every time!

Even though the Medic was a mistake making, medics are actually pretty useful for fighting against SC2 Protoss, as you should be able to "Flashbang" the Protoss observers, making them blind and useless as detectors, which is better than killing them, as they now take up population space, while providing almost no value. So the enemy has to made the decision to kill them themselves or suicide them into missile turrets. This should also work on the Warp Prisms, as it should make it much harder for the warp Prism to teleport in new units, as it would have almost no field of vision to do so, unless it has some units inside it as well.

Goliath/Tank was strong in BW, I think that's why some people in SC2 have been so disappointed that going with mainly factory units has never really been viable in SC2, at least not in any era I can recall.

That vulture harass was nasty

This is so fun to watch, this should be a regular feature of rts games that run for long enough. Bringing back brood war factions was exactly what sc2 needed. I hope to see much more of this in the future:)

Seeing serral counter this kind of thing with SC2 Zerg would be an absolute treat to watch

vultures being OP af is the only reason terran is playable in bw

We need more of this again but now vs Zerg < 3

When I see people playing this mode I can't help but feeling that Terran got shafted and cornered so hard into bio with SC2. So many units were interesting and actually good at their job past the papier mache comp of marines/marauders/medivacs and maybe ghosts seems like.

Thanks! Your uploads are always fun to watch, with very good commentary! Keep it up man :)

this is such a great idea it's odd that it hasn't been done earlier.

SCBW/SC2 mix may revitilize the game a lot! This is so fun to watch! Also, iirc spider mines don't trigger on hover units (scv, probe, vulture, archon, high templar). And for the most important question - Wraiths only to GM when? :D

I wish my partner would look at me the way uThermal looks at spider mines

What I find interesting is that the last game has sorta ended up with SC1 meta. Vulture tanks pushes vs dragoon/zealot; but in this case stalker/immortal and archon. They have very similar roles. A very slow terrain army vs a fast protoss army and trying to take engagements everywhere.

Awesome! Looking forward to this episode :D

You need the Charon Boosters upgrade for Goliaths to be any good at AA

I will admit it took me longer to realize what viltures were then I am proud of.

Thermy, your content has made me love starcraft again. Evo has made me excited about it like I haven't been in 20 years.

its nice seeing some light cast upon the arcade scene

The Valks in Evo are a carrier cullers. Both with a wing of them wiping out their interceptors almost instantly, and they do bonus against armored in the mod. They will trade in your favor, honestly they're almost OP.

The Siege Tank and Widow Mine sounds are resonating at the frequency of my soul.

Really enjoying this new series of brood vs 2

Very nice to see SC1 vs SC2, the depots and machine shops look smaller than I remember. And now I miss goliath again...

I really loved and missed those "Goliath Online"

I love uthermal game play and would love to see more content regaurding this mod.

Great stuff! Please more of it with BW Zerg also

Never has the term "popping off" seemed more appropriate!

EMP is only a half measure vs Carriers, what you really want is lockdown to abuse the smart casting in SC2. Only downside is that Ghosts require investment (cloaking upgrade, then typically lockdown and sight range upgrade).

WE NEED MORE!

@uThermal what mod do you use for the RU-vid Shorts you make pitting various units against one another or do you set those up in custom games on normal maps?

Just FYI, archons are considered hovering units the way workers are. Therefore they don’t trigger spider mines

loving this content

Ok, now we need Warcraft 3 races included in this mod. I heard that Starcraft 2 already comes with them.

Haha vultures as so god damn fast, it looks hilarious.

The thing SC2 Mech needs against toss is: A goliath / Vulture equivalent. Yes: There is the helion + Widow mine, but that takes up so much army supply and just is not as effective against blink stalkers. Yes: There is the thor, but it is too bulky and expensive. That is why I liked the Warhound from the HOTS beta. Because it was a flat main combat unit for terran mech, with a hitscan attack. It is what the cyclone should have been. Not a cheap mineral dump, not an expensive 1-off specialist. Just a good all-rounder. Make it 150/50, give it more health (or remove the armoured tag). Make the ground attack a flat attack value, give it better scaling and weaker 0/0 attack and leave the +Mech dmg for air. Increase lockon range, but restrict it to air. Finally: Attacking while moving should be an upgrade that slightly buffs attack (Research required). There: Now it is a suitable main combat unit for a more mobile mech build, but it is not as strong early on (to not ruin the TvZ matchup). It should not be a specialist, it should be an allrounder. There are allready way too many terran specialist mech units (Helion / Hellbat vs Light ground, Thor / Siegetank vs armored ground, Thor vs massive air etc. etc.).

Dealing with Carriers continue to be a pain for Terran to deal with. Maybe you can sneak in a Lockdown if you're lucky.

Sick game. Definitely room for improvements but Terran is really strong if you push forward and lay down turrets as you push forward to your opponent

If someone was able to take this mod and scale up the size ships and vehicles, kind of like the real scale mods, I could die a happy man

Just realized I hadn't seen a video in my sub feed from you in a good long while while I was watching the latest Florencio File on Pig's channel. Hope your channel is doing ok since I haven't seen a video in my feed from your last month of uploads!

14 range tanks and 75 mineral high speed anti zealot unit, hell yeah!

I've never been so fast to a video before. :D I see uThermal, I click.

I wish there was a full blown SC:BW ladder in SC2, I like units from BW way more, but mechanics from SC2 are way more friendly.

dang man, this one mod basically creates 3 more sub races to the game, total of 6 races to mess around, it's so good.

spider mines detect stepping on ground, probes don't step - they float above ground.

watching this make me entertain.

Spider mines never looked this fun lol

Love to see BW units in SC2 please do more videos like this

Starcraft one units on starcraft 2 maps with starcraft 2 unit selection seems so busted even if every game isnt a win I can feel the potential.

As an old school Broodwar Terran, I think Vultures are the best and coolest unit in the game ❤

Wonder if lockdown ghost to counter carrier transition would be fast enough.

i need more of this :D

This was great

blizzard would never come to this concept , and its a shame - cos i think this mod is an amazing idea to revive the meta a bit

If you mind control an scv, can you repair your Protoss mechanical units and buildings?

using ghost agaist carriers with sc2 system is going to be so much better

This is beautiful ❤

The Engineering Bay is pretty obviously flying sideways there.

i see green terran, i click

We want MOAR!

This is why Vultures were replaced in SC2. They are really powerful, gamebreakingly so.

All right, bring it on!

Hello, is there a ladder for this mod? And yes bw terran mech might be really stronger than sc2 terran vs protoss, just because of vultures thanks to their strong mines, they can lay mines on every expands spots and raid probes. Any skytoss switch can be quite easily countered by goliaths which are way more cost efficients than thors/vikings. Only problem in my humble opinion is prism variations.

It seems to me that the main determining factor of who wins in an Evo matchup is how prepared the Brood War player is for the Starcraft 2 player's air transition.

My brother and I spent many hours playing Starcraft 64. Please give us a video where you infest a command center with a queen. Infested marines used to do 500 damage. It'll be cool to watch. Have a good day boss

Love your videos. Love this mod because I actually like bw better than sc2. Your videos have gotten me into sc2 at all. Aside, your pronunciation of "vulture" made me think you were saying "villager" so many times. I finally got it. Thanks again for the good games

From what I have seen so far. SC1 Terran struggles to win with MECH is because once they leave their base they have nothing to def from counter attack. If the opponents tunnel vision in defending then the SC1 Terran will win but because of the SC2 nature of the game where counter attacks are so deadly, SC1 Terran cannot win if they push out with their entire army... Leaving some troops behind isn't the best solution either but it can't be help because SC1 Terran dont have Planetary fortress

I hope Goliaths target Collosuses with their anti-air attack.

Can you patrol micro in this edition to fire in motion with Vultures? This Vulture micro looks so clunky and slow and has them taking so much damage.

I love these sc1 vs sc2 mod. Fucking amazing

it seems like the BW factions are quite a bit stronger than sc2 factions, would be cool to see some tourneys on this mod tho

please make more videos on this mod

The answer to the question is a definite yes. Next time try to use Defillers and Hydras/Lurkers! Or a Zergling rush since they're pretty good.

Isn't there emp on the science vessels?

I want to see ghost lockdown Sc1 ghost is real ghost 😂😂 Ghost is hard counter for toss

MORE PLEASE ~!

Big Game Hunters 3v3

I wish you could play some games with SlayerS_BoxeR, that would be epic

Use Medic’s Flashbang ability on Observers!!!! :)

What made terran mech weak vs protoss in SC2 compared to scbw?

I havent played sc2 for centuaries. So whats going on? Brood War is in the game now? or only customs? Is it official?

Vultures are very good