COULD THIS BE THE MISSING SOX AND MARTIN PROMOTIONAL HEMI CUDA? 

I used to deliver the newspaper to Sox Sinclair service station when Ronny ran a 409 chevy, then a Comet Caliente. Then he moved to his own shop with Buddy Martin and Jake king as their engine builder when they got sponsored by Chrysler and Gate City Chrysler-Plymouth. They were local heros in and around Burlington, N.C.

Herb McCandless was known as ‘Mr. 4-speed’ and he raced for Sox & Martin in the early 70’s. He won the NHRA Pro Stock Championship in 1970 racing a Sox & Martin Plymouth Duster.

Tony is the best he’s the realist just not easy for us to just have fun and joke around all the time Tony’s my man

Ronnie Sox was a 4 speed racer but Herb McCandless was the one known as Mr.4 Speed, it was wrote on his car right next to his name but they did build cars for customers although I don't know if they were painted in Sox and Martin team colors. I cant believe I had to correct Tony... I thought these old race cars came to racers as a "white" car which was only the shell and racers added the rest of the parts.

I lived near Sox & Martin and also raced a modified 1968 440 6 pak. I sure wish I would have taken pictures. We routinely bought parts from them. One day when I was there they had 6 Hemi engines in the kitchen! The basement floor was covered withe heads, cranks, and various other parts. They manufactured pinion snubbers which I later fabricated myself based on their design. Their barn had numerous hemi cars. We had most major performance models, several Superbees, Chargers, Challenger, and Duster among others…no I didn’t keep any. 😕

My friends dad had a 69 Camaro 427 Copo car with 325 miles on it in Windward Blue, the problem was they didn’t paint Camaros in Windward Blue, only Firebirds. Well, he worked for GM, they moved his car over to the Pontiac line for 31 dollars and painted it a Pontiac color. It was deemed a “Fake” by the experts. But the docs proved different. It nailed down 236k at auction after the fees were paid, the auctioneer was paid and the smoke cleared.

Herb McCandless who drove for socks and Martin was known as Mr four-speed

The chemistry between these 2 is hilarious.

Great episode! All business no fluff

Really enjoyed this video very informative love listening to these guys go over this car to document it’s existence

Those two are a riot watching together, there knowledge is rare.

Im old enough to have went to a dealership and looked and snooped around a Sox & Martin show/display car--when no one else was around and the thing I noticed was "tunnels" in the back of the floor boards to clear the ladder bars--If this car was ever raced it would have those and be hard to repair if taken out of service--also the Cuda was painted white underneath and there was no undercoating.

As I remember, pre-Internet, the Street Hemi pinion snubber reenforcement was only supposed to be on manual transmission cars. The automatic B-body may have not gotten the boxes, but auto E-bodies did. There are also some year to year changes in the B-body versions. In the old parts books, the pinion snubber reenforcement plate was described as a manual transmission Street Hemi part. The transmission fluid runs through the radiator, not only for cooling, but to keep it from running too cool with the additional cooler.

I had bought a Hot Rod Magazine, in either '69 or '70 which featured the building of the Sox and Martin Cuda. The image of the Rear End was burned in my brain. Four years later, after detonating 2 rear ends in my '70 Dart and asking my, well known, local Auto Wrecker to search for a posi unit, I came home to my parents place to see he had delivered a whole rear end and it was sitting beside the driveway. I couldn't believe it, it was a Dana 60, and yes, I made it fit by modifing the rear shackles, had a drive shaft custom made, added bolt on traction bars, a taller pinion stuber and ' borrowed ' my fathers spare rims, from his snow tires, off his '68 Chrysler. That thing was indestructible. I wasn't even 20 yet.

There was 2 426 hemi block's in Hawaii on Ebay a few year's ago and I think one was the original from the 1971 Sox Cuda with Vin and other was hawain punch car. Both broken and the guy wanted $5k ea

The car is special. Racing history or not. It's a Hemi Cuda, and you can't get much more special than that.

I've seen Sox & Martin run their cars a few times at a drag strip near Cincinnati. They were autographing pictures of themselves next to their 69 or 70 cuda. I got Ronnie Sox to autograph a copy. I have it framed and still hanging on the wall at home after all these years.

I grew with sox and martin saw them at cook Chrysler Plymouth in Chicopee ma , 70 cuda , 69 road runner were there ,

Actually interesting, and a pleasure to watch because Mark wasn't doing anything stupid, and it was just about cars not goofy shit

This could have been one of the Clinic Cars that went around the country on display . Some paint , decals and lettering, and a set of Keystone Klassic wheels, voila , instant " S&M race car " . Some of the Pro Stock teams did experiment with automatic and clutch flight transmissions in '70-'71 . The Missile comes to mind as did Grumpy's Toy , and I believe S&M .

My old man infact owned that car and there’s a few things he knows of that was changed (by will Smallwood after being sold to him by S&M. An the 71 Sox RR. My father still has that …. Thank god

My mom and I own a muffler shop in Florida and we did exhaust for a guy that had one of the biggest collections of Sox and Martin cars!

I had a 70 Cuda 440 6 pack 4 speed super track pack. front disc, rear 11 inch drum.

Cain Chrysler-Plymouth, Wilmington MA built Sox & Martin Hemi Cuda's in late 1960's. I was in the showroom for a dedication ceremony of one of them. I believe it was a 1968 model Hemi. My friend bought a 67 GTX Hemi from Cain. Fred Cain was the go-to-man in New England for high performance Mopar. They custom built Hemi cars in the Service Dept.

7:00 Something I hadn’t recalled was the fine graphic lines on the SHAKER text that tricks the eye/brain into making it look shaky. Nice touch!

My oh my that was the giblet gravy episode. I sopped that info up with a molar biscuit. Great episode.

Gosh that light was cracking me up he has a iPad plus for a flashlight 🤣

Best content Mike, Peace and love to Rust bros from CT.

I am so blown away by these guys knowledge

As for missing race cars, I know where the John Petrie Racing Hemi 'Cuda is . 😉😜 Ask me...

Sox and martin cars never had chrome trim at bottom or the roof

Every hot rodder and shade tree mechanic transformed their cars into what they could afford hemi got pulled out and sold during 70's gas crunch. Lot of scenarios lots of options and opinions it's a Johnny cash one piece at a time

I love this Mopar archeology.

2 very knowledgeable car guys going at each othe (perfect).

Go GO GET EM MR MARK MOPAR 😮🎉

I'm based in the carolinas and I am always running gvinto 70s chargers just rotting away in all kinds of places..

Cool watching guru’s feed off of each other.

We are just her for the cars! Well said!

As far as I know there was only one Hemi Cuda race car that had the factory vin code at Sox and Martin.... The rest were all body in white from the factory....

A lady neighbor of mine had an old 1950's car in her garage. One day i said nice old car & she replied you like them old cars huh & i replied yes ma'am,. Well my socks about blew off she had a 1957 Chrysler 300C Hemi Convertible Parade Green. Of course i said well it sure looks like it's been here for a while would you consider selling it? She actually considered it but after 8 mo's later i went by there again well it was gone. I saw her later & asked what happened to it & she replied i donated to my church.

crazy impressive with their knowledge. they are walking automotive encyclopedias

Good stuff here, these guys know their thing

Outstanding.

$500 in 1977. reminds me of my mustang that i bought in late 70's. the car lot had a 69 fastback mustang for $750 , i took it for a ride. it ran like s!%t with a 4bbl carb bolted on a 2bbl manifold. i told them to put a 2bbl carb on it and i would give him $500 . the next day i did not expect the to change carbs, but they did and i got a 69 fastback mustang for $500 and i still have that car.

they gun drilled the majority of bolts on the race car and torsion bars were turned down a lot ! the car would hook and give herb better 60 ft times than he ever ran but thought it felt super slow which was weird. the bars would flex and spring on him

Some one put in the Dana in it automatic transmission cars had a 8&3quarter rear !

Wow you two really nerded out!!!

I loved this episode!

omg thank you so much for the cracks and lessons, this is entertainment !! cheers from cordoba argentina ! keep it up ! mopar or no car !💪💪💪 "All day long ! " 🤣🤣😍😍

one of them was in fleetwood pa. ron eroh was a friend of them and they stored cars there.

Priceless. The car.

Why would “mr 4 speed” have an automatic ?

Man, THIS IS GREAT STUFF!

Herb Mcandless was Mr 4 speed, in fact there’s an entire movie based on Mr 4 speed aka Herb FYI

I’m totally on Tony’s side. Would be so cool to be a super special car but PROVE it! Just because some owner says they have something doesn’t make it true. I’ve been a classic Cougar collector. I can’t count how many boneheads have claimed they had a “Boss 302” in their car only to find (as expected) it’s a regular 302.

Awesome to watch 2 very experienced guys throwing at each other.

They are setting each other up and testing more than anything else.

Great episode!

ARE YOU SHITTIN ME!!!!!! I just sat here and watched that whole damn video and they don’t find out!?!?!!? Goddamn it!

Hern mcCandless was Mr. 4 Speed , he drove for Sox and Martin , he also won the US nationals for Sox and Martin...

Morning Fred. Morning Earl

These guys are Amos & Andy, and that whip is no Sox & Martin

I saw gust going to ask if it had a Hemi K member you said about it before I could ask 😅 !

My first question, how can you validate that hood as being “original” if the hood is orange on a white bodied car..? wtf

Just curious, is there any way to run the VIN and get a list of owners or is that a similar “hipaa”?

May Ronny Sox rest in peace on that race track in racer Heaven your friend Spud 😢 !

Find the hemi Inc cuda, I just want to know my great grandpa's car still exists

The best thing about this car is that it is a 1970 Hemi 'Cuda.

Weren’t the Pro Stock cars such as Sox & Martins delivered to them as a body in white shell to be built as a race car then acid dipped to lose weight? Where are the weld marks from the roll bar?

45 min, I'll never get back

Brooklyn heavy and the Mudd brothers ( famous Brooklyn street racers) purchased many ofcthe cars raced the previous years by sox/Martian , Jenkins , mccandeles’s cars as well as duck landy. These were raced on first ave , and on Gawaynes exspresswaycinvbrooklyn. Cars were raced raced also at New York national. They were passed around all over Brooklyn and Long Island. Many sold at auction after the formers all went to jail for dealing drugs. Brooklyn Wild pumpkins were peeped by Dyno Tech in maspeth queens. Owned by former employees and drivers from jack merkel racing engines. I’m a bit older than you two guys , What you do not know is tgat ALL SOD AND MARTIAN CARS STARTED AS A BODY IN WHITE! So your number knowledge don’t mean squat , duh

If it was a Sox&Martin car look for the floor was raised up to make the car sit lower old trick of theirs 😊.

Too much fun!

Dose it have a Dana rear-end Ronnie Sox would have one and all his cars were 4 speed I know the man ment him at a NHRA meet at Palm Beach international in Florida he was pitted next to us Doug Warren with a 67 Hemi R/T F/X car !😮.

Looks like a Rusttang Michigan Car..

A worn Greenlee punch will leave a "pulled" edge.

If Sox & Martin got it, wouldn't it not be VIN'd? To my knowledge, if you ordered a race only it'd only have a cert of origin. School me if I'm wrong.

I noticed he had the phantasm shirt on

Sox& Martin acid dip their cars, that being said i'd say if it's not a dip car. It's not Sox&Martin.

Well, sounds like the narrator is a Monty Python fan

🏆King mark 🏆I sure miss my 69 1/2 Super Bee 383 4-speed ram Air hood if you had one 👀how much would it cost 🍀 get R done😎✌️

please, it'd be the first S&M car i ever saw WITHOUT Red sides... feh

Mark how do I get ahold of you about doing a graveyard cars dream build?

start sanding down on the paint and look for lettering..

Promotional car maybe, but not a race car with power brakes and a heater. Maybe Herb McCandless knows, he's still around.

Holes are punched, not stamped.

If I wanted a Mopar dodge Chrysler rebuilt I would contact McCandless antique auto

the dude hving a unlit cigar in his mouth

wheres my hoodie mark gave my address

Ya know , why does it matter ? You can build a car anyway you want . In 1970 you could order what you wanted and the factory built it . Its just an old car . I love and appreciate them but they are just old cars guys .

Nice to wish it was 😅!

Mr 4 Speed was NOT Ronnie. That title belongs to Herb McCandless

Sox and Martin Never ran a auto in any of their Hemi Cudas!

If it was a real car it would have had a roll bar and would be easy to find evidence

Same old, same old

Not a Sox's car and not the original shaker hood for that car.

Was Ronnie sox Mr. 4 speed or was it Hubert mcanless

i thought all of the race cars were body in white cars

First off,"mr four speed" is still Herb mcandless who afterword drove for sox and martin, 2nd his car/cars were original factory 4 speed hemi although customized ,hence factory dash,3rd non original shaker ring couldve very well been added after the fact as well as the possibility that car being a mcandless car turned into a sox and martin,couldnt it ,so what did you do to this car to ruin it 😂😂😂

Ron got mad because Hubert won the US nationals