Radar operator: "Hey, Dmitri, why is there a bird sized object flying at mach 2 at 30000 feet?" Radar operator 2: "Nah, forget about it, that's just a bird"
I was introduced to DCS when I saw the game on steam. But I mostly watch Growling Sidewinders for proper dogfighting stuff and Grimreapers are just for fun scenarios.
I suppose the question is, "How Stealthy?" The other question is, "Is there any jamming support? Without jamming, detection range reduction is proportional to the 4th root of the radar cross section. With jamming, detection is proportional to the square root of the radar cross section. Say your RCS is 1/10^4 or 0.0001 meter squared and the range of your enemy radar is calculated for a 1 meter square (spherical) target. You cut detection range without jamming by 10, so the radar range goes from 100 km to 10 km. Add jamming and you cut the detection range by 100, so the radar range goes from 100 km to 1 km.
During taxi the F-35s would have on their displays all the data from AWACS, U.S. satellites, and any other electronic warfare/reconnaissance aircraft in the area. That is, the position of every Russian aircraft that's airborne, the position and status of every Russian SAM in theater, and more likely than not the position of most of the Russian armor in the area. The F-22s would not have this complete of an air picture until they were crossing into the operations box.
F-22 Raptors are just now starting their upgrade program so it will be a while before the F-22 gets more advanced tracking and targeting data, including an entirely new suite of passive long-range detection capability without using radar.
and ECM, spherical EO/IR, long range forward IR, and having a display telling at what range enemy radars could detect it. F-35 is the total package when it comes to sensors. Makes the F/A-18C look like an F-5E
@@USSGobLin they certainly will! But it's still inherently a 90s platform, so without a total scrap & replacement of on board electronics, it's gonna be hard to get close. They probably could rip them all out and only keep the FCS and such, replacing them with the f-35 equipment, but now we're in the "billions of dollars of development" range. The f-22 system software is all written in excellent battle tested ADA... going through and re-verifying that whatever is left successfully integrated with a whole new suite would be a massive engineering effort. Not gonna lie, even though it breaks my heart, at this point I absolutely understand the focus on NGAD. We blew it years ago when we gave up on the F-22 production...
Cool Video! You guys make flying formation look awesome and easy. Tanking for the refuel was impressive and then rolling in and taking down those bombers. Reapers Rule!
I think it has something to do with proportions, but I think the F35 is a more beautiful plane. Not talking about performance or capabilities, just the looks.
Fat Amy is a great looking aircraft and one of the best in the world, people forget the F35 doesn't have it's advanced avionics in DCS. Not saying it holds a candle to the F22 in air to air but it's negative repuation based on its performance in the game is a little unfair in my opinion
Closest I've seen AWACS is the south east corner of Romania nr Moldova border and coastline. Racetracks over land, not over water. Saw this today. A few RAF Typhoons on qra there also, F16s also I believe. Global Hawk goes over the black sea though.
Final Grim Reaper Offensive Fighter Sweep tally: 14 Russian Aircraft destroyed. 0 Grim Reapers lost. 7 NATO air bases and ajoining towns attacked with nuclear weapons... Military Aircraft destroyed on the ground 56. Military Ground Personnel killed estimated at 7500. Civilian casualties estimated at 130,000.
Which is my favorite? I'm biased, I worked on the F-22 ejection system and did Hotpit refueling. Fun fact, We scored possibly the first Ground to Air Kill in an F-22 with the engine exhaust during hotpits at Langley Air Force Base. There was a Mylar birthday balloon floating over the flightline towards the jets. We told our pilot, who looked back and asked "Flight Surfaces clear?" I tucked myself in the wheel well while staying grounded as the pilot pulled back on the flight controls, pointing the Vectored Nozzles upward and heated the balloon, causing it to float upwards and away from the jets, and settled in between the taxiway and the runway, where our Hotpits Super picked it up.
I think that the F-22 was the most dangerous combat aircraft suited to dominate the skies. It is still an embarrassment that the F-35 was more getting attention than the F-22 maybe because of the price tag. Nations like Japan just really wanted to buy this raptor even if they were to spend billions of their currency. Seriously, you guys created a monster.
My favorite channel, thank you all ! Would be more interesting if you show start and end clips of refueling then delete mid part for our viewing. Only boring part. I usually fast forward unless grump is getting sandwiched lol. I love your main crew pilots. Wich are current military vs really good video gamers? Hi violent :)
Hey Cap and the rest of the Grim reapers, relatively new subscriber here. I am a huge fan of the videos and appreciate all the effort you put into them. They are sure to jog the imagination and are always entertaining. I have 2 potential video ideas that could be an interesting watch. The first being a recreation of the US and British cruise missile strikes on Syrian chemical weapon facilities a couple years ago. The claim is 105 missiles were fired at multiple CW facilities and their supporting infrastructure. The majority of the missiles were tomahawks with some JASSMs and British storm shadows in the mix, (I understand these may not be in the game). Regardless, the US claims ALL missiles hit their targets and none were intercepted. They back their claims up with satellite images of the targets. The Russians claim, that 103 were launched and 71 were successfully intercepted. I am unaware of the Syrian sam strength apart from some soviet pieces in their arsenal. It would be interesting to see who is more accurate. Obviously combat effectiveness and Syrian air defense strategy and overall competence come into question. The second is whether a 80s refitted Iowa class battleship would make the difference in a modern carrier battle group vs the Russians battle group. The Russians were able to overpower the Americans especially in close range naval artillery. I wondered a few things; if the 16 harpoons, tomahawks and 4 CIWS could make the difference in the long range, if the AEGIS network would be able to cover the Iowa, and if the 16'" guns could swing the battle for the Americans when in range (assuming the ship makes it that far). I appreciate the efforts, and can't wait for the next videos!
it's cool, and i now it's too late, but it will be more accurate and, most importantly, even more intresting to place some MiG-31's in ready to take off group. They are most likely will perform interception task in real situation. Will love to see them if you are going to do some other UA simulations. And yes, i'm still voting to lend some guys to the Forces of Worldwide Evil a.k.a Russia. I think 4 to 2 is the most appropriate separation. Under human control: 2 Raptors + 2 Lightnings vs 1 Su-35S airborne + 1 MiG-31 ready to take off or 1 Su-57 airborne. But that is only my thoughts
before watching, i'll give my thoughts why it WONT work: A. search radars - every radar has its own search radars signature, an F22 cant just blast of his radar and be mistaken to Ukrainian Su27 or so, same go for Aim120C signature, speed and behavior, they are just not what the Ukrainian has B. when missiles coming out of nowhere shooting down Russian planes or ground targets, its wont be hard for Russia to make 1+1 and understand what (or who) they are dealing with C. F22/35 are not truly invisible, depends on cross section and many other parameters (for example opening the weapon bays), the Russians might not be able to lock a missile, but they WILL notice a weird unknown aircraft blip in and out their radar screens, nothing Ukraine has could do it D. duds, its enough for one missile to go dud and be pictured for Russia to start asking questions E. in this day and age where everyone got good cameras, one civilian taking the wrong pic at the wrong time is all it takes - at takeoffs, landings, or just some flight enthusiast with hi-res telescope. hell, i wont be suprised if Russia has someone to watch at every airbase in Europe and document every plane that took off
They may be able to detect a F22 or F35 with radar but getting and maintaining a targeting lock is a completely different story. The F22 and F35 were never meant to be invisible to radar.
Big problem too is that Russians have advanced reconnaissance equipment too, and the still-unsolved problem of hypersonic missiles. I’d imagine that any limited use of these planes would result in immediate retaliation against whatever airfield they were stationed out of. Article 5 will be very hard to sell to many NATO nations under such circumstances.
Now, we don't really know if this is totally real. In fact, I'd say it's totally opposite cos no side will tell a video game developer "OK, here are real characteristics of our top secret systems"... There is a chance they would be detected and identified properly, we just don't know that. There are some very good points in this original comment; it does depend on X factors even if everything is as in this game... And don't forget; F-117 was detected by an old radar and downed with 1960s Soviet made SAM... And another thing... Since this involvement could hardly stay undetected, that brings some of its own risks: 1) Risking a loss of one of these and them falling into Russian hands and 2) Nukes might start flying across the ocean... On the other hand, I'm pretty sure we WILL see this involvement, but a bit later and from Hollywood...
Also it isn't just about AWAC coverage, but SEAD coverage as well. Ever since the F-117 got shot down during Kosovo, not even stealth aircraft enter without EW support.
I am not understanding why you all think this would be a dog fight like F-15s & 18's would go at it? 1) I would think distance is the key, in much the same manner as "we own the night" made tactics around the darkest nights being go time..."we own the distance" should be the thought of the day, and tactics using the distance advantage. 2) Hiding the 'day after' detection of missiles(fragments and sensor signatures) would require using some plausible cover...like the F-16's from Denmark donation....turn those F-16's into missile sleds with the F-22 & F-35's guiding them into target...then when the F-16's start getting low on missiles, shorten the distance between the F-22's and F-16's so that the signature of weapons coming from the F-22's have a plausible assignment of ownership to the F-16's in the bad guy sensor systems that make it back or are on the ground for review. I would look at the Red Flag events of early 2010's in how they used F-22's with F-15's against a much superior number opposition. If I remember right, 2 F-22's with 4 F-15's wiped out 20+ 4th Gen opponents without ever knowing where the F-22's were. Once you establish air superiority, follow on missions of F-16's (with F-35's flying in shadow) could attack ground targets using more standoff munitions that the F-35's also use. The key being using distance and the F-35's stealth to get weapons on targets, then when it is time to use F-35's munitions, get the F-35's close enough to the F-16's to give plausible ownership of weapons to the F-16's. In the absence of absolute proof, the simplest explanation becomes the most likely and that is what the F-16's provide, the simplest explanation...and a weapons sled.
The game is that old ? It looks awsome man. So many things you could do. I wonder what the government uses for war simulations like without people just run throughs through a very powerfull pc / programe.
Question: do the AWACS scan in a specific area/direction, or look 'everywhere'? Any way you could come down on top of them via stealth if they weren't expecting it?
aaahhh that is the question! Is @2hottie a baddie or a good guy. he is rarely friendly but has been a bandit before. lol no he was a friendly F-35 in this scenario. but i will never miss the opportunity to call him a baddie. he did scratch the new paint on my f-16 one time.
@@simba1113 oh my, a reply from Simba. I feel honored, like if it was Maverick himself. But why did the F-35 cockpit look like a plane from the early 90's?
@@Silo-Ren Its a VSN Mod. it uses the f-15's cockpit and avionics in order to exist in the game. making kockpits for aircraft is one of the longest processes.
It is time to get serious Cap. Simulate Ukrainian farmers using their tractors to engage Russian air forces. [If they can tow away tanks and armored personnel carriers, then why not go after aircraft?]
Even though these aircraft are hard to detect on radar, IR and visually, wouldn’t they leave a distinct sonic footprint? I understand this wouldn’t be giving any actionable real time data. But it would prove the presence of US aircraft. However, I guess deniability rather than invisibility is the name of the game here.
Sonic foot prints are hard to decipher. It could be anything tbh. It also dissipate quickly. You’d also have to field major equipment for recording. An such equipment would be subjected to night action everyday.
@@TheSilverwolf1001 Considering the sophisticated technology used in submarine warfare I would think similar systems could be developed for the air. However, the use case is probably very limited.
wouldn't it better to sneak in, take out only whichever the first 6 aircraft end up being, retreat effortlessly clean (at the 23:02 minute mark in the vid), and maintain this type of hit and run operation for a month. eliminating those last six minutes on scene would be so much less dangerous and in the end they never see you remove 20% of their fleet in three to four weeks.
In reality Russian fighters would likely detect even the stealth fighters and the cover would be blown. This scenario could never possibly happen without Russia immediately figuring it out, but it’s fun content to watch.
No they couldn't. Longer range (typically longer wave) RADARs can see stealth aircraft designed to return a small signal against the typical bands used by fighter aircraft RADARs. Secondly RADAR return oversampling has revolutionised RADAR - even the tiniest return can be tracked. Modern fighter RADARs can "see" stealth aircraft as well. F-22 and F-35 fly in peacetime with RADAR reflectors - not for safety - but to hide the fact they are no longer stealthy.
Why descend under the cloud should stay high to help your missile and why keep your radar on the whole way you could’ve confused enemy with turning your radar on and off for corse correction only and turn radar on to shoot at last moment a lot of your tactics makes no sense ?
Based on current deployment there would be mostly F-35's and no F-22's. It's possible they would send F-22's but only in small numbers, maybe an 8-12 ship deployment to Germany while the F-35's will be based in Poland and Romania.
they are not operating in the "contested area". Based on where the AWACS have been operating they are securing the supply lines. Its not just stealth aircraft its F-15s and F-16s. Russia has not operated anything but cruse missile in that area they don't dare. You have to secure your supply lines. "Amateurs study tactics pros study logistics"
Do American refuelling tanker planes only refuel one plane at a time? I seem to remember the RAF tankers could refuel 2 planes at a time, don't know if that is still the case though.
my fav is the Eurofighter Typhoo- uhhhh idk i have this weird grudge against the raptor so i'm going with the f-35 and maybe an idea: try an intervention by a theoretical "european army" mainly consisting of the UK, France and Germany
@@TheMoen22 i dont know tbh. maybe its because of the DCS mod flight model which to me just seems unrealistic as hell. But I definitely dislike the HUGE and annoying fanbase. Thats definitely a driving factor. Just like with the F-14
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You have to make sure there are no external weapons on the f22s and f35s that is the only way stealth will be achieved in full. If you put external weapons on those you take away their advantage
You all do realize that Stealth means Low Observable, and that does not mean being invisible to radar? While a Stealth aircraft can be seen on low frequency radars, those radars are not designed to lock on to and guide missiles to the F-117, F-22, B-2 etc etc.
@@KondorDCS the higher the frequency the faster the return is. Lower frequency has a longer return. Thus higher frequency gives a higher resolution and therfore greater accuracy.
i think they would use bad weather and low level over the sea. then lob missiles at max range. can an f22 sit close to a tanker and 'hide' till the last second then drop off unload and fly away? like subs do with large ships. range of radars does not really matter with fully connected battlefeilds
The u.s would need troops on the ground to help coordinate with the ukranians in order to avoid friendly fire. Also a more realistic scenario would include Russian s300s and s400s and they probably find out and shoot the kinzals at the bases that they go back to.
While the Donbass / Mariopul region is the obvious highest intensity Russian zone of air-ground conflict.... I would suggest that is anything but the most valuable location for American or NATO stealth targeting. The great Russian weakness has over and over been demonstrated to be LOGISTICS. Thus any stealth strike should be against Russian logistical lines, rather than military units per-se. While a lot of that is over the border into Russia itself, and this further away, there is an obvious target that is not: The Kerch Strait Crimean Bridge. Actually a dual set of bridges, both road and railroad, most of the supply to Russia's Crimean naval and air bases flows across this route, as well support to the Western most advances of Russian forces in the Kherson region. (bonus points for dropping the central elevated ship span, which likely would screw with Sea of Azov access until cleared) Given the Ukrainian desire to reclaim Crimea and push the Russians away from their most important Black Sea port at Odessa, this seems like the most valuable possible target. While there is not a current E-3 tasking that covers this area... One could easily locate one *dry-foot* over the Turkish Northern Coast from Yenicam to Bafra, launched out of Incirlik. This would not only cover the target, but also Russian bases as far as Sevastopol, Novorossiysk, and Krasnodar. While it might be politically difficult to gain Turkish permission to actually launch strike aircraft from there, AWACs should be a safe enough ask. Strike bombers and fighters could launch from Romania (or even Poland, with tanker support).
You talk about a scenario, that would provoke a Nuke strike on pretty much every neighbouring country to russia in this region. Not sure you REALLY want that.
@@Gunni1972 How do you figure this "would provoke a Nuke strike?" Destroying the bridges could easily be carried out with conventional munitions. Heck, depending on the timing of the strike, I'd observe that it might be possible to destroy the bridges without any los of life.....which could hardly to be said of downing Russian bombers as depicted in *this* video. Or are you suggesting that Russia would respond with nuclear weapons on any sufficiently effective counter-strike against their illegal and unprovoked aggression against Ukraine? Incidentally, with a properly stealthy strike, how exactly would the Russians know the origins of the attack? With the Ukrainians now receiving the M142 HIMARS intermediate range missile system, that bridge is very much within artillery rocket range.... Meaning identifying the attacker and method of attack becomes a very non-trivial problem.
@@ilikehardplay All aircraft had a radar signature, the aircraft would be detected, it is just unlikely they would be able to get shot down. If a stealth strike did happen, it would be rather obvious what aircraft were used.
Perhaps when you run the next _GR/Ukraine relevant_ mission, you can simply have those SU-35's that were in limbo this time, just appear in the next mission! Hopefully you can assemble a good, talented crew for these extra-realistic Ukraine missions, a crew who will be there, in country, in mission and pulling the missions off with the Derring Do of a group of pilots who know they are one of the few small units flying the best stealth jets, the USAF F-35A, marine Corp F-35B, and Navy F-35 C, all of which could possibly end the war early _if everyone flies with disciplinogullibilitary_ . ..... ahh, the militant beerswilitant.....bloody HELL why did I take that damned valium? ... Anyway, if we all had the querical clerical minus the hysterical.m#....wm.....wait! ...I got this!....he who...who... _flies with the Spy Of The EigerGuy! And his wife, commander Stephani Loetnenx, She Who Flies theGrand Hors De Ovaries of all Combat Ritualistic, BFM Maneuveristic, Rupturespecific FCS Whizkid knitting of the Ceremonial Brisket Biscuit Basket!_ Forsooth and farsee-eth , the most lovely Stefani Loetnenx : Didactic/Contradisciplinary Ceremonial Swallow of the Medicinal Track IR Haptic/Optic/Craptic/Gnostic/Spastic Uncle Gorky _'"Horse Glue Otherwise known as Gork poo*_ *keep the damn airplanes flying; use the Earl Grey to coat the Raptor's Craptor; apply the English Breakfast Tea to pilots who can still see! Grump, Cap, and Sop Danck are always possethethed of an uncanny ability to know where a mission goes, but not where it came from. _(otherwise known as the Heisenberg Uncertified Principal, who was often found attempting to BeaureauCrap his way once again, through the Covidian vagaries of academia, attempting to maintain his hold upon elementary school by trying to avoid quantum PreTanglement)_ but only proving that his geometry is not Euclidian but merely 'You Kidding Again? I cannot solve this problem nor avoid this algorithmic hobgoblin! Therefore I wash my hands (for I am a Pompous Pilot who'd refuse to fly that Pontiac Pilate guy anywhere within the mad demesne of DFC MadSplain! But I've got the answer, tiny dancer! Even though the price could not be steeper, my final answer I _know_ is the keeper! Just turn it all over to the CapSock and Damp Camp! Give it all to the Grim Reapers!" *Whoever this guy was, he was just carted away by security forces! Kicking, screaming, shouting *DOWN WITH ALL UP QUARKS* he is obviously deranged. Thankfully wiser heads have prevailed! Carry on then!
Bearing in mind that they fielded supposed body armore made of cardboard and other materials, perhaps the Russian equipment should be given a bit of a handicap to simulate reality
hate to break it to you but 1 i highly doubt ukraine would be able to use american stealth aircraft 2 the f-22 will never go into combat as stated it will go out of service in the next few years plus usa isnt even gonna get involved in the war so really i hate to say it but thats pointless to explain
Love the content as always, thank you. 1. When this is re-run, perhaps just run a combined flight of F-22 and F-35 jets rather than adding any confusion as to where the groups are supposed to be versus where they actually are. 2. Perhaps have some human pilots in the Su-35s to make it more realistic of a challenge? However, I assume there's a high potential for the jets not being coded correctly within the sim as far as detection, jamming, locking on, and various other critical aspects. 3. No doubt, we've seen some huge blunders from RU (their Black Sea navy is experiencing losses almost every day against a country with no navy - where are the AA defense of any kind? Both land and sea AA installations are shown with radar activated shortly before going boom-boom). Nonetheless, I would find it hard to believe they don't have some QRF Mig-29's (or Su-27/30's) flying CAP near the eastern UA/Russian border and northeastern UA/Russian border, at pretty low altitude to avoid UA SAM systems as they're more likely to be active with less UA jets in the airspace. If I had to guess, both of those two regions has a two-ship flight of Mig-29's on rotation for 24/7 coverage, as they don't need long range, they can afford to lose Mig-29's in a worst case scenario, and UA has nothing that we know of which can out duel Mig-29's in their inventory. These would respond to the bombers going down immediately, with the Su-35's coming in from a rear RU base as you have planned. 4. I agree the AI can't be set to ace level unfortunately. They're likely to go full terminator and ignore the need for their own radar to detect you. A level in between ace and the 75% level would be great. Adding in a bit more realistic human reactions (would these bombers watch their flight be taken out one by one and just fly straight until they're hit?) and I assume they'd attempt to fire Fox-2's at you upon visual contact? But, at the same time, if I know anything from watching these AI battles on "Ace" level, the bombers may fire out of range, get locks, and literally go full BFM on each of you after dropping their ordinance for more maneuverability. All guesses though, as I have never done any testing like that. Concerning AWACs coverage and other NATO flight activity, I've put together a profile for your benefit going into the future. The Global Hawk activity is the most aggressive/surprising to me. This list obviously isn't comprehensive, just what the militaries want the public to see. - RQ-4B Global Hawk drones out of a southern Italian (Sicily) airbase have been making circuits in the western Black Sea and are usually on rotation for 24/7 availability. Interestingly, due to their stealth characteristics I suppose, they have also been making circuits directly in the warzone, approximately in the middle between the cities of Dinipro and Donetsk itself. Altitudes reported at 54,000 feet. - UK Royal Air Force RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft are flying on the NATO side of the western borders of both Ukraine and Belarus out of RAF Waddington. - NATO/US E-3A Sentrys' have been making flights on western borders coming out of Germany. - I unfortunately do not recall the specifical model aircraft, and Google isn't helping obviously. But, the other day in eastern Romania, a USAF jet was flying in circuit and it was a Gulfstream G500-series conformal AWACs/electronic warfare jet. It looks nearly identical to the proposed EC-37B Compass, but apparently that hasn't entered service yet. Not sure what it was, but the file picture from the flight tracking definitely showed conformal military-grade systems designed into the body. - UK Royal Air Force KC2 Voyager tankers have been doing circuits at 31,000 ft in eastern Romania taking off from southern Cyprus. - USAF KC-135 and KC-10A tankers have been covering all kinds of air space in eastern Europe over NATO countries from various bases. - C17A Globemaster III's have been flying in a lot, which would most likely be carrying the donated US/NATO weaponry into Poland, often taking routes from Hungary and north over Scandinavia.
Not sure if the stealth fighters can get a lock with an AMRAAM without their onboard radar, but in any case the Russian planes and EW platforms would recognize that they are being pinged by American radars. Historically it has been harder for the US to claim "It wasn't us!"
@@Andreas-gh6is F35s we’re designed to be able to track and fire on enemy targets without the use of their own radar, using other aircraft or radars sites. So in the end somebody still has to have them on radar which the opposing nation would be able to recognise. So you’re completely right, but I was just explaining that ability since you said you didn’t know.
The only radar you were not able to avoid was O.C.U.L.A.R. WWWIII started the next day after a N.Y. Times reporter, more interested in being first to get the story than avoiding mutual assured destruction, published video of low flying F-35s over Eastern Ukraine. I kid I kid. That was fun.
Rather doubt that a parachuting Russian pilot *in the dark* will get a definitive look at an aircraft streaking past... He will likely have a lot of other issues on his mind. (Do Russian pilots actually *practice* parachute landings?)
more like, the secret part would be blown by the little bits of US missiles littering the landscape. Missiles don't exactly disintegrate when they blow up
