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I just commented the same thing the catch with the voucher program is it possibly wont cover the entire tuition leaving you on the hook for any other bills/expenses. It really doesn't work for the middle class. Its another scheme for corporations to suck Americans dry of their money. I wouldn't be surprised that they are actively trying to sabotage the public school system to get these voucher programs into the front and center. That way they can claim "look the public school system doesn't work"

Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them. Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.” What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.” Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”

Preach! Spread the word because a lot of people are being duped about these vouchers.

Thank you for you taking the time to educate us on this topic from experience. Continued success! Many thanks!!

It's a sin against our children. Thanks, Betsy DeVos you horrible "Christian" profiteer!

Oh wow😮 thanks for the info

This is the plan, check out Project 2025

Good

@@Jcw-u4nya, we need the 10 commandments on the wall !! 😂😂

Good

Good

Couldn't happen soon enough

Well said

Exactly.

yeaaa seems every time I see public private partnerships it ends in disaster. idk why people havent caught on yet

It seems like they want these vouchers to go towards religious schools which is a no. If that happens, religious institutions need to be taxed.

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Yeah because getting shot at is equivalent to teaching snot nosed kids. Also, they all ready have something like this where your education is paid for after 10 years of public work. She didn't say anything enlightening.

@@akwumba1you can work in a defunded neighborhood teaching for ten years to get 11k for your loans. NOT worth it!

wtf am I agreeing with a republican?!

@@heidilady lmao. If you can't pay back 11K in ten years you might want to delete the Amazon app off your phone.

Really? Sunny brought stats, facts and citations, but the credit goes to Whoopi saying a lot without saying anything of substance?

You mean so teachers can BUY A HOME? Not use their income on pencils and markers and snacks for the kids? You must be an evil socialist 🥰! They are our children! Educate them, teach them arts and music and math and science and health and government and all...

Thank you.

Then you fund it with your own money

@@The_king567It’s not adding more tax on you. It’s keeping the funds for public school for these school.

And if they squeak in, they are quickly sent back to public school. This is part of what makes public school look like they underperform. All of the "good kids" who will get good grades no matter where they are educated, are siphoned from the public schools. How many people were helped by the "smart kids" in class? How many people were grouped with a student because the teacher wanted to put two or three kids together so they could share their knowledge and experience and teach each other? It is hard to do that in a classroom anymore when almost no one can read, and few have any confidence in their educational abilities.

Thank you for pointing this out, this is part of fixing the system. If students who aren’t just naturally good at academics fall behind, there really isn’t support for them. It’s not about “oh just pass them it doesn’t matter” , it’s about giving quality education to ALL students. This actually hits close to home because I was a struggling student my entire life. Almost never got As and Bs on anything. Partly was my fault yes but, it was also the fact that the “support” I tried to get didn’t really help me. People need to realize that a student who fails all the time doesn’t mean they are broken, something else could be the reason if schools took the time to tailor the education for that student instead of shoving them in a “special” class, which is degrading, humiliating and also DOESN’T HELP. I really need people to understand that the answer is not private schools, the answer is to put more money into giving quality education to ALL students regardless of income and regardless of how they learn.

Right.

Why should I have to pay for these kids I don’t have or like

@@The_king567 same reason I gave one of my "worst" behaved students turned school wide Student of the Month by the end of the year: I teach and pay taxes so you won't climb in my windows--so you can have your own windows, hopefully some that are better than those at my house. Where exactly do you think the kids who know you don't like them and know you don't have kids are going to pillage first?

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This definitely needs to be investigated. You’re right, it isn’t hard!

Its corrupt republicans against the public interest always, its the same with the cons here theyre so bad they refused to spend money allocated on education then used that as an excuse to try to privatize, they did the same with healthcare, everyone ends up protesting them every public sector.

Ya think because public schools are terrible maybe?? Improve the test scores, lose the gender nonsense and I'll think about not asking for a voucher...

Why should we fund the public schools? Because they are doing so well in testing? How about the indoctrination into Marxism/socialism and the transgender agenda?

Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them. Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.” What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.” Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”

ya, throw more money at the current failing model. sorry it's not a terrible idea but teacher pay is not a core problem of public education... there's plenty of money but it's just poorly allocated. public ed needs a major reform but no one is interested for a variety of reasons. it's going to fall further and further behind for a while.

Lol. It makes no sense. Someone could just get free tuition, and then quit or get fired from their teacher job.

It's a crying shame! Teachers deserve to be paid for the work they do. My kids' teachers were at art shows and concerts and hand bell concerts. They were counselors and and generally wonderful people!

I taught for 35 years. Most of us had second jobs to make ends meet.

@@theskiesthelimit-q2k Lots of people have 2nd jobs, you're not special.

​@@zvmZvm0102I bet you are trumper giving your last dollar to him. Teachers should not have to work second jobs to buy supplies for their classes.

@@fustinaduberry5645 I'm one of those who is disgusted by Trump, but am voting for him because the Democrats are racist and misandrist and intolerant. Trump is the lesser of two evils.

Children don't have parents who discipline that's why it's sickening

The neglect is palpable and disgusting in some communities

We have ancestors that lived under worst conditions, but their families instilled in them the value of and education/freedom. Our ancestors kept moving forward, today there is too much whining and sitting still.

​@@abbeylan7982 What does lack of parental didcipline have to do eith School vouchers??

​@@abbeylan7982Trie.

Yes it does. You shouldn't be forced to send your kid to a district school that lets them down.

Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them. Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.” What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.” Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”

So parents who can afford private prefer to just throw away money? Doesn't make sense bro. Public schools are trash as are public school teachers.

Public schools are not managed correctly, its not a money thing its a Teacher Union corruption thing

Exactly. It's the perfect storm to guarantee than the majority of children won't have access to a decent education.

Privatization is always better private schools are always better

@@The_king567 If you're serious and not just trolling; quite possibly but, only for those who can afford it. And, if you had a private education, I'd suggest asking for your money back. Your complete lack of punctuation in such a tiny sentence speaks volumes. It's also a good argument for firm regulation of private schools. You're welcome.😁

Sound like we should privatize public schools glad we agree

Due to government education, 50% of graduates are illiterate. "Half the children in this country, when they graduate, are unable read their diplomas." Legislators are all about elitist rule, keeping the masses uneducated. Only those who employ public schools should finance them. Children cannot function in the basics. It is all about agendas, not learning, to make the populous adhere to insane and deadly agendas to maintain elitists rule and control. The Bible was once the standard and the main book taught in all schools and was respected. Also, Noah Webster's "Blue Back Speller" was part of the curriculum and is still sold on Amazon. It taught upright morals to children as well as the Bible. "The great American educator Noah Webster first published A Grammatical Institute of the English Language, otherwise known as the Blue Back Speller, in 1783. His goal was to provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training children. "Little did he know that this remarkable gem would become the staple for parents and educators for more than a century and would help to build the most literate nation in the history of the West." Many of the Founding Fathers employed this book to home school their children, including Benjamin Franklin who taught his granddaughter to read, spell, and pronounce words using Old Blue Back.” What progressives are teaching in public schools: "My daughter just started second grade @MetroSchools. I will be pulling her out immediately. Her first “English” lesson of the year is teaching her that white people are bad, mean & racist against African-Americans & Mexicans. My daughter, 7, is not a racist nor is her family.” Jesus Christ, the thrill of hope, for a sick, hurting, and weary world-Romans 10:9-10 from the Bible: “That if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made to salvation.”

Charter schools are not private schools

@@yair77 that's correct...however some parents are under the assumption that they are. Charters schools in most cases donot have special ed teachers because their pay scale is lower than public schools and benefits like healthcare are limited...but that won't stop the charter school from enrolling the special ed student and not providing the services required by the child's iep... the charter school will eventually transfer the child to their local public school..but keep the money I'm a former teacher...seen it happen a number of times.

I understand that, but we can't dismiss private schools and school vouchers. I support it!

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Sunny is never correct.

Sunny went to private school lol 😂😂😂

@@CampbellzS0up I thought it was a catholic public school? SO it was a private catholic school?

I agree 100%.

You’re going to confuse Alyssa.

That’s horrible idea crazy this has to be said

@@johnwebb2442you shouldn’t shows how you are not that smart

@@The_king567 it’s a brilliant idea and is working well in other parts of the world. You’re probably mad we might have some regulation and your kids won’t be taught that a talking snake tricked a woman to curse humanity.

Oooh sounds like a way to hide racism, typical RepubliCon move!

@@bkm2797could be disability, race, sexual orientation, gender expression. Private schools remain just that, private, regardless of these silly vouchers.

Exactly, so these schools appear to be offering better education, when they are not. They are just choosing students that perform better.

You have been paying people with gift cards how stupendous . Billionaires built that school and they did nothing but “Chase” rump .

Exactly! Public schools are required to accept all students who walk through their doors, regardless of socio/economic status, mental health/behavioral issues/IQ/family disfunction etc. Private schools can screen kids, and accept only the creme dela creme. No wonder they look good in comparison. Vouchers are just a drop in the bucket towards improving education for the masses. The reality of the situation is, most kids are going to go through our public school system, and we need to figure out how to fix it. (without government interference from the left or right!)

Preach!

Poorer students also tend to be dumber. There's a genetic component to intelligence. Poverty and stupidly correlate.

Privatization of public goods is never a good idea. As flawed as the government is, it’s still accountable to we the people. Private corporations whose only goal is making money have no duty to the people or what’s right. Trump wanted to privatize the USPS and put DeJoy in charge for that specific reason

Then they need to handle that not the public

@@Salsero12I think that is what OP is saying…public schools are legally obligated to provide accommodations for students who need them.

I've literally dealt with school administrators who harm kids, shackling them to some faux disability diagnosis because it increases the school's budget. You're disgusting.

If a child can’t read, that’s on the parent.

He's saying more children should have another option to public schools

Of course not.

You're talking too real and too right

None of Sunny's kids went to public school but she wants other kids to not get vouchers to go to private schools.

@@akwumba1 No, she wants children who aren't as privileged as her children to be able to receive as quality an education as her own children receive in private schools by not defunding public schools. Is it clear now?

Make it about race ok because white kids don't ever get vouchers do they

I wish you would explain this because I have no idea what you’re talking about. What are vouchers? And how are rich people making money off of them?

@@HH-gv8mx OP is partially correct... in many cases openly (or quietly) for profit voucher schools open in failing districts and attract a slice of the students and voucher $ from the public school. Say voucher school gets 12k per student via voucher. They then spend 8k per student on education and profit (or selective salary are much higher than others). This is nefarious in 2 ways, one it sucks $ out of the total education system for no education benefit. Two it often slices off kids with better home situations to the voucher school and leave behind a tougher subset for the public school. OP is partially wrong because this isn't categorically the case for vouchers. I.e. in several settings it is genuinely enhancing school choice and people who have had bad experiences in certain public schools have other options. Also not all of the vouchers are at 100% of per student funds. I.e. if a voucher is for say 50% of per student funds then really both sides could be fine because the public school could actually have more $ net per remaining pupil. The real issue where I would agree with OP is in struggling communities it subdivides the student talent and leaves behind a pool of kids with fewer positive role models. The overall problem isn't really vouchers though but lack of any reasonable plan from public education on improving quality. Vouchers keep coming around bc public education is rudderless.

Off the backs of brown students LMAO another clown I'm glad you weren't my kids teacher

After reading your statement I'm glad your no longer a public school teacher unreal

That's how you respectfully disagree with a person. Name calling never works lol 😆

Did Sunny’s kids go to private school?

Not sure why that's funny 🙄

Two-faced hypocritical troll.

@@fullcasitafullheart9476Ask her. Not that it’s any of your business.

Sunny is always “articulate.”

Sunny's children never did public school! Nyahahahahaha! Well researched gullibleness.

@@srebaayao9616 Well, her children never went to jail before either and I'm sure she still has better ideas about criminal justice reform than you ever could.

that's a reasonably stated take... think the question it misses though is why are increasing numbers of people interested in vouchers/leave public school?... think honestly most of the voucher "fight" is just noise and public ed foolishly engages in fighing the noise instead of understanding and resolving the underlying why, what do you think?

@@kheldaryt, in terms of possible reasons why increasing numbers of people are interested in leaving public school, such a discussion is a complicated one and the reasons are sometimes different depending on circumstances. First, as I noted in my first comment, there is a myth prevalent and longstanding that private schools are inherently better than public schools at improving student academic outcomes. The scientific data simply do not support this general notion. However, we know even less about specialized schools -- arts, technology, CTE, LD, specific developmental delay. Advocates argue that perhaps the difference could be detected for kids showing particular profiles of strengths/needs. We would need a causal research design to test that out and there would need to be enough kids fitting the specialization with an equal chance to go public versus private included in the study to give each school condition a fair shot. I bet that if a school were to find an economic way to reduce class sizes; fully staff with the necessary expertise such as specialists in specific LDs, speech and language therapists, school psychologists, art/tech/CTE masters; and update/maintain school facilities necessary for these specialized learning strengths/needs, that school would serve their students well, regardless of funding stream. Second, I would guess that the increasingly hostile and orchestrated attacks on public education (e.g., "failing public schools", "greedy teachers' unions", and "parental choice" against "wokism"/"grooming", loosening of regulations for taxpayer funding of religious schools) and education/scholarship in general have added to parental distrust of yet another democratic institution. Individual politicians have run exactly on attacking public schools as harming children and keeping parents in the dark. And these politicians armed only with anecdotes or just made-up claims got elected. Added to the myth that private schools are inherently better, parents may have more reason to want to switch to private schools, where they think they have more say over what kind of education their kid receives. Perhaps wealthy parents who have financial control over a private school could have such power (including forcing a school to ignore their kids' rule-breaking and potential harm on other students). But for everyday parents coming in through a voucher or scholarship, there is little recourse when the private school fails to address the special education needs of your kid or kicks out your kid, because most private schools are not regulated the same way as public schools. Just like public schools, I have heard some private schools are great when it comes to particular kids. But it is tough to know until your kid tries the new school. And again, we need causal research and most private schools do NOT want to participate in a real head-to-head comparison with public schools (i.e., kids have an equal chance of attending public versus private school; private school want to select/reject students and public schools can't do that). The reason I see as the most valid for families wanting an alternative to their neighborhood public school is their neighborhood is scary and desperate. Therefore, their neighborhood school is also scary and desperate, because the school draws its strengths and needs from its surrounding neighborhood. That's what happened for me. Our local public system allowed families to petition to go to another public school and the key reason was out of concern for safety which in turns affects student academic outcomes. This safety problem is a SOCIETALLY determined problem, NOT the school's fault and I'm not sure any number of student resource officers (code for cops based in schools) would be enough bandaid to fix this problem. Instead, society needs to tackle issues that society seems divided on actually caring to solve. Specifically, we Americans just don't want to really talk about social class especially as measured by income, the difficulty of improving our social class regardless of effort and rule-following, and the de-segregation of our neighborhoods by social class. Yes, we have a problem with segregation by race, but I think the data would argue that segregation by class explains most of the damage done by segregation. Because every single major life outcome in the U.S. is shaped by social class. By the safety, security, opportunity, and protections from consequences of mistakes that comes with social class. So, those are some reasons that come to mind, when it comes to the increasing number of parents thinking about taking their kid out of their neighborhood public school.

@@shadetails2133 interesting, I think either you are over using ChatGPT or overthinking it. public schools are suffering from trust issues. People increasingly think public schools are losing focus and competence. I think the mistake most public school advocates make is to attack other alternatives rather than to assess if public school outcomes are indeed sliding. What do you think?

@@kheldaryt, that chatgpt comment is hilarious. People in my generation have a pretty strong suspicion about all this AI doing work for / in replace of humans. I'm in the area of the sciences that study stuff like this. So, maybe we dissect things a bit differently and more intensely than non-scientists do. That's why we leave the translation and "spinning" to non-scientists. In any case, I think your response is pretty much in line with my apparently verbose explanation.

@@shadetails2133 i think you are right that the trust issue part is key but think where I see it differently is the reason and scope. You appear to put a lot of weight on nefarious actors who are scaring parents into switching. My question is what if parents are making the assessments themselves? And further what if they are correct? I think there’s a reasonable chance public education in the US is in more trouble than people realize. People seem to just ignore the possibility there is a problem with public education. Seems strange to me people aren’t more concerned about that and are just concerned about the $ of vouchers and not the larger implications.

I’m sure the same issues were present then.

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* - some teachers are underpaid because public ed poorly allocates the plentiful $ it has.

LOL!!! Teacher here Exactly !

I get where he’s coming from!! Being a teacher myself, public schools can be a nightmare, especially title 1 schools. Some parents don’t want their children exposed to certain things. I’m not sure private schools are better for a child academically. That would vary on a case by case basis. However, you can’t dispute that children are typically more well-behaved in a private school. That’s why so many teachers take a 15k-20k pay cut to teach private when they already know they’re broke to start with!😂😂 Life sucks sometimes!!

They are always better privet anything is always better than public

​@@The_king567 Vouchers don't cover the full tuition of private schools. Failing students don't get accepted into private school.

The idea to dismantle Public Education is a right wing ideology. Jay-Z hangs out with a lot of Republican men.

@@zarario4444 they cover more than what public schools cover for good reason

Yes, you definitely make a great point here. Parents truly need to step it up. You cannot throw your child into school with zero manners, skills, discipline, reviewing at home, etc. and expect the teacher to do their job as well as parent your child. It throws off the whole balance in the classroom.

The school system is bad. He wants to help underprivileged kids get into better schools. Why are people against that?

@@chrisglover9700 the voucher is for private education and the lower class communities can't afford it so why not make the education system better from the bottom up and not just for those who have better economic standings? That's the bottom line. The voucher program isn't for a public school education in a better district, that would be easier on the ear than just a voucher for expensive private school education

​@@chrisglover9700 nothing stopping him from funding scholarships or taking advantage of the rather lax regulations in some states and starting his own charter school.

Also, did Jayz go to a public school or private school as a child? As an adult, has he spoken with children that attend public schools and private schools? Just because something is exclusive, doesn't mean it's necessarily better.

Do you watch The View ??? SUNNY is The Queen of interrupting. SMH

@@kenscales4992 No, she isn't.

⁠@@kenscales4992*Joy* is the queen of interrupting. Plus they *all* interrupt each other.

@@peterporkeresq.2817yea she absolutely it watch it again

That's part of her point.

Meanwhilenism: Sunny's children are all in private schools. Hahaha.