Could you live with the Super Soco TC Max?

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The Super Soco TC Max is a compact little electric that is not a bad option for an inner city run about or commuter. Super Soco in Australia are now running some excellent deals on this nippy EV. It's not for everyone, but if you are in the market for a low capacity commuter or EV it just might hit the mark.
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@hotcook72 Год назад

Great review ! The main reason for me that I did buy the Tc Max is that it's quiet. Comming home from work pretty late and enjoying night rides on my days off, I don't disturb my neighbors as they sleep... some even thanked me for it!

@BikerTorque Год назад

That’s not something I had considered. Thanks for watching

@RheaAyase Год назад

You can cancel the startup sound by pressing the power button twice.

@BikerTorque Год назад

Thanks

@maciejpsyk 9 месяцев назад

That's the first video I watched on this channel, but not the last! I really enjoyed it and thank you for your honest review.

@BikerTorque 9 месяцев назад

Welcome aboard! Greatly appreciated.

@Operaatoors 11 месяцев назад

My girlfriend is SuperSoco TC Max user for two summers already, and we are really happy with it. It works very well in the town (15km across the whole town), home - work distance less than 2km, distance to city center from home about 5km, and getting around the town its very nice! On busier day riding charging can be done in 2-3 days. Going outside town, to country-side house 30km away, battery drops to about 40%, road of which half of distance is 50km/h, other half is 90/km/h. We bought another charger for countryside house, which was basically another 10% of the cost of the bike it self.

@BikerTorque 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, I think in certain situations, like yours the TC Max probably works

@Vegesaurus7 Год назад

Appreciate the honest review. Wouldn’t work for me because of the range and speed but I’m not against electric bikes. I actually rode a supersoco once around a car park. It was fun. Super freaky how quiet and smooth the drive is it just kind of takes off.

@BikerTorque Год назад

Yeah, if you were just commuting around town it would be a winner.

@Neolord12 9 месяцев назад

There is actually a 72Ah Battery which is 2/3 more than the original one with 42Ah. Also there is also a 12A charger which will speed up charging. I own a TC Max for 2 seasons now and use it always. 15000km run already and charging is no problem at all. Combined with a Type2 Chagrer Station Adapter you can charge everywhere actually.

@BikerTorque 9 месяцев назад

Cheers, didn’t know about the bigger battery, that would make a difference

@davidlo7208 3 месяца назад

@@BikerTorque It'll cost you 1/2 the price of the bike for the battery.

@jccuchvjvj 2 месяца назад

Dude, but it is not original. I have two left hands.

@jccuchvjvj 2 месяца назад

Dude, but it is not original. I have two left hands.

@iggyfuller137 Год назад

Another great video team. It’s a tough one to be honest about , mostly because it’s a fairly new concept with not too much to compare to. I was in the uk recently and there was a petrol/ diesel exclusion zone around the local schools to improve air quality…. And it was really nice. Quiet and with fresh crisp air. If I lived in a city and charge points were available, I’d be keen. I think with more demand, more charging points will become available and with more charging points, the more viable an option it would be. It’s one for the pioneers.

@BikerTorque Год назад

Yeh, looking forward to riding more electrics to get a bit more to compare each one to.

@spittyrides Год назад

I plan to upgrade to the TC Max as soon as I get my R-E license (WA). Great bike!

@BikerTorque Год назад

Enjoy

@findvoltage Год назад

Thats because you play with your dick too much and dont catch up on real world affairs

@faystanford2367 Год назад

Loved Tegan’s input and yours also. Ross you should have a coffee machine in the office when 10:43 Tegan returns from her holiday.

@BikerTorque Год назад

She drinks too much coffee as it is

@exp2745 Год назад

Thanks for the informative review, very balanced and fair. Especially appreciated the full break down of the battery removal as that is something most reviews appear to gloss over. I actually am more in the target market for the TC Max then most, living in a city, but needing to get around a bit on 60kph+ roads and was very much looking forward to finally having found a bike that has a top speed above 45 and swappable battery. But that process just makes it unusable when parking outside. Maybe I am fundamentally missing something but why are there a myriad of options with easily swappable batteries (even the option of running two in series) in the field of 45kph scooters, but when needing to go slightly faster, there is practically no option. Heck Sondors actually went so far as to advertise their battery as easily swappable with no tools or complicated process in videos, then went back on that, the final bike requiring a toolkit to access the battery.

@BikerTorque Год назад

Thanks for watching. I think the main reason for Scooters with a 2 battery option is the additional storage under the seat. We reviewed the Super Soco CPX scooter and it was physically a much bigger bike than the TCMax, hence the option of having a second battery.

@REFfigy 10 месяцев назад

The problem is weight, I own a tc (non max) and the battery is half the size and weight, and much easier to take out. Once you get to more powerful bikes, the smallest battery you can get away with is ~17kg, which is too heavy to easily remove.

@BDHO73 Год назад

I’d get one if I needed to get around in the city only. Certainly looks good. I’m sure battery life will improve in future versions.

@BikerTorque Год назад

I think you are right. Interesting we have just had an email from Aussie electric manufacturer Savic to review their new C-Series in Oct. Now that bike does look the goods and with pretty good battery range

@REFfigy 10 месяцев назад

Great unbiased review. Other reviews tend to just focus on the fact it’s electric and don’t really tell you what it’s like to ride or live with. I own a regular TC (hub drive model.) I love it for my 20km commute, and the 2019 model doesn’t have the annoying startup sound. Being an early model it can be derestriced to 80km/h but it can just barely keep up with traffic going up hills on a 70km/h road. I feel like SuperSoco could make something really compelling at the $9k price point if they tried!

@BikerTorque 10 месяцев назад

I agree, the bones are there to produce a very capable electric

@truenorthhousedesign 10 месяцев назад

We have run diesel cars for years. With a 10kw rooftop solar i started looking at an EV. A used TC Max came up in Wollongong, took it for a ride and bought it. It is fun. I can drive to town and back twice with a battery charge. 2 x 30kms and love the fact I am powered by sunshine. It is a lightweight solo rider short distance commuter. So long as the battery lasts it will have been a very rewarding ownership experience.

@BikerTorque 10 месяцев назад

Yep not a bad option for a short commute

@RheaAyase Год назад

Something's wrong with your unit, mine does have instant torque and I'm yet to find a car that would keep up in acceleration. And certainly no

@BikerTorque Год назад

Interesting!

@ronbot6426 8 месяцев назад

love the review im right now saving money to buy one aswell

@BikerTorque 8 месяцев назад

Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video

@BigBert Год назад

Great review guys. I’m yet to have a ride on an electric 😎👌

@BikerTorque Год назад

You should big Bert, very different

@BigBert Год назад

@@BikerTorque not sure I have seen one down here. I will keep my eyes open. May need to visit to big Island to try one 😖

@dreambikes_Exhausts Год назад

Great review guys- what was the ‘real life’ range achieved? As you mention not being able to reach the office and back.. I’m considering this as a second fun bike :D Thanks!

@BikerTorque Год назад

I did get around 65 kms out of a battery, but that was switching between modes, but predominantly in normal or sport. I think I would have gotten about 80-85 if I left it in eco. But that’s with a 100kg rider.

@liquidambar3688 6 месяцев назад

So how long will the lithium ion battery last? about 3 years? A replacement battery costs over 2000 euros where I live.

@BikerTorque 6 месяцев назад

That's a great question, honestly, no idea how long it will last. Time will tell

@RWilko221 Год назад

The range is a scary thing for all of us I think, especially regionally. They are coming, just a matter of time, look out for the 1st one with a bit of style and range it will be interesting, but in the meantime, I still enjoy stirring Greta up with my 2 stroke and oil burning old twins... Great honest review, b safe.

@BikerTorque Год назад

Definitely only a matter of time. There are some bikes out the that look the goods, with much better range…but at a much higher price point, like Energica and also Aussie company Savic. To be honest at $6k or so where this one sits, it isn’t bad value, but only if you are riding in and around your town or city.

@churcher8334 Год назад

Exactly what disapointed me on a test ride , the pick up from stand still. Was slower than my 8 bhp to 30mph . Was the kicker for me to stay on my scomadi. 😢

@BikerTorque Год назад

Yes it could be a deal breaker for many

@cannotchangeforfourteendays 2 месяца назад

It's my third season using TC-Max and, honestly, if it weren't for range, I'd be super happy. TC-Max is my first bike, so I was quite excited to use it. I'm used to carrying the battery to my flat (I live on the ground floor) and with my commutes, I charge it 1-4 times a week, usually with 1-3 times happening during the weekend when I'm out and about. Some negatives, well, in general, the f*cking ignition sound does piss you off. It really does. Second, the plate holder, well, mine broke due to vibrations so I had to directly bolt my plate to the metal holder, rather than the designated plastic one. That part could use some help. Lights also, well, feel iffy. I'd love if it had some more power to it as during nights you can definitely feel it lacking, even with long range beams on. It's a good bike, for city commutes I cannot recommend it enough. If you were willing to invest an extra buck, you can buy adapters to charge it on the car docks which make city commute even easier. Going to sell mine this season, but the only reason is because I do need range. Motorclycling is a hobby for me and as such, I do love going about on 3-4 hour rides non stop and having lived in a flat for a long time now, I have no room for 2 bikes, sadly.

@BikerTorque 2 месяца назад

Thanks for sharing, yes that ignition sound is a punish.

@riavinod8025 10 месяцев назад

Silly question - how tall is Teagan? It looks a bit small for her. I'm wondering if I'm too tall for this bike since I think I might be her size!

@BikerTorque 10 месяцев назад

Not a silly question at all, Tegan is about 179cm.

@riavinod8025 10 месяцев назад

thank you! she's tall! i think i'd be okay on the bike, i'm a bit shorter. appreciate your response! @@BikerTorque

@Curiosityuk 9 месяцев назад

I’m just curious how tall you both are to gage how big the bike is?

@BikerTorque 9 месяцев назад

Tegan is about 179cm and I’m not quite that, about 177cm

@Curiosityuk 9 месяцев назад

@@BikerTorque cheers for the reply. That helps a lot, thank you

@RoadsOfOz Год назад

NO COFFEE MACHINE IN THE OFFICE? Ross, that is just mean 😉. Great honest review. The biggest obstacle battery motorcycles face will always be the range due to the size and weight of the battery. The other obstacle this bike faces is price. Even though it is very affordable. If you compare it to Honda's CB125F (at $3637 ride away), It would take approx 3 years for the purchase price and running cost to even out. In saying that, there are some very exciting electric motorcycles that are due out in the market soon and I will be happy to have one in the garage to use for daily commuting. Also, some of the propoganda about the EV industry is just ridiculous, yet I hear people repeating it with some authority in their voice.

@BikerTorque Год назад

Tegan drinks enough coffee as it is. Yep range is the issue

@BikerTorque Год назад

And agree, some of the rubbish arguments you hear against evs is just preposterous

@MrPansophy Год назад

For me and my situation, the bike works. My ride to the office is about 22 to 25 km and I can charge the bike at home and in the office without removing the battery. The area I live in is 50% hills and 50% flat area, with some steep inclines. In the beginning I was a bit worried about the speed drop at hills, but then again, the TC Max was not bleeding speed as much as I expected and holds the 80km/h zones uphill at a steady 75km/h. I could also make the run to the office and back home with one charge and still having about 23% battery left. Over time the range will probably reduce, but then again I can charge for free at the office. Who knows what the battery prices will be like in three years time when it might be a good idea to replace the battery ...

@BikerTorque Год назад

Agree in some situations the bike is just fine.

@timkarsten8610 Год назад

Where would you get a replacement battery though?

@BikerTorque Год назад

@@timkarsten8610 I’d imagine you could order from your local dealer

@wiredupelectric 10 месяцев назад

@@timkarsten8610 Aftermarket batteries are now available which almost doubles stock capacity. I have one and it’s excellent

@rodneyoneill75 9 месяцев назад

@@wiredupelectric how much? And what capacity? I'm interested, thanks.

@petrosbougioukas7204 9 месяцев назад

I have it and i like it so far but i hate the fact that the GPS signal stop working because Super soco change the cooperation with the local carrier and the application doesn't work anymore and they are asking 500 euro for it to make it work again. You forgot to mention that there is a faster charger which can fully charge in 3 hours.

@BikerTorque 9 месяцев назад

We weren’t aware of the fast charger.

@darylwootton5217 Год назад

Have not ridden this particular electric model but did test a Zero SR/S which I found brilliantly quick but it’s lack of range just wouldn’t work for my favourite “pie runs” I think electric will have its place in the market, and the Zero I tested would leave my Interceptor in the dust, but take away all the “motorcycle” stuff and it wasn’t for me.

@BikerTorque Год назад

The Zero does look good, as does the Savic, which I can confirm we will be getting a ride on in October

@arcticspace Год назад

No problem with fast charging. Range would be enough

@baumie4618 Год назад

That rear shock looked a little under sprung with Ross aboard 😅😉❤️🍻

@BikerTorque Год назад

😂😂😂 a little under sprung? Ok that’s your first warning Jamie.

@XV250 Месяц назад

Seems not bad for a commuter. I could live with the slow acceleration and speed, but not the limited range and lengthy recharge time.

@BikerTorque Месяц назад

Yes, range is an issue

@ihsanihsan3975 Год назад

Would not buy one given battery range. I will struggle to do a daily return trip to work with one charge.

@BikerTorque Год назад

That’s what I found, but unbelievable to land filter on

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe Год назад

I get like 40 miles mostly at Max speed. Work is only 6 miles each way so it's perfect

@BikerTorque Год назад

@@JudeTheRU-vidPoopersubscribe that sounds like it’s ideal for your situation

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe Год назад

@@BikerTorque it was costing like £35 in petrol per month on a gas motorbike. Now about £5 increase on my electric bill.

@Geshmaal 10 месяцев назад

I am well game for an electric motorcycle but I don't think the TC Max would quite do it for me. I don't do huge miles often on the bike but something that can reliably do 100 miles and will charge off common EV chargers is a base requirement for me. I've ridden a Zero SR/S and was a huge fan of the ride itself but I'd need them to halve the price go consider it. If pricing was in line with a Ninja 1000SX I might actually go for something like the SR/S.

@BikerTorque 10 месяцев назад

Yes range still seems to be the main issue

@becnal 4 месяца назад

Sounds like the new Maeving would be a good fit for you both.

@BikerTorque 4 месяца назад

Im not familiar with that bike, might not be available here in Australia.

@Shiroikage84 Месяц назад

xept the Maeving is a one sitter...

@PackingLess Год назад

I love everything about this bike and it would be perfect for me but I think the pricing is just too high for all EV bikes and scooters in Australia its just ridiculous. This bike is at least 4 times cheaper in China, but I understand importing and all that takes up some cost. Its still too expensive for what it is even with the 'sales'.

@BikerTorque Год назад

Point taken, but I think we generally pay higher prices in Australia for most vehicles. Thanks for watching

@Loki_Games4Fun 5 месяцев назад

Why didn't anyone think to put a strong enough dynamo on the rear and front wheels of the engine that will power the engine all the time and the possibility to turn off the dynamo when the battery is full. To make a dynamo on both wheels that produces electricity when you want it you do the same principle in the engine settings and on the mobile phone application as with the old bikes that were meant to be had the light in front you had to turn on the dynamo that was on the tire and turned in order to have electricity.Something on that principle, but in a different place. Make some sort of thing and adapt it for the wheels and as long as you don't turn off the dynamo, it will power the battery,of course there should be some kind of converter and u in the settings on the mobile phone and in the engine software, you set when the dynamo turns on, that is, at what percentage of the battery.And it can also be used for cars that have four wheels, and the faster you go, the stronger the current it produces, and the problem is solved as far as the range that a car, motorcycle, or bicycle can reach.

@BikerTorque 5 месяцев назад

That makes sense in theory

@Loki_Games4Fun 5 месяцев назад

@@BikerTorque And this can also be done in practice, you just need a team of smart engine engineers and a team of electricians and the problem is solved, only then the oil companies would totally fail,and that doesn't suit them at all.Even if fans are installed in cars and trucks so sensitive to the smallest air currents that they spin and produce electricity,another way to power at least electronics in a car, van, or truck.And imagine how fast those little fans would spin in a super fast car just install them where the air intakes are in the car and put several fans one behind the other and voilà.

@tomhummel2641 4 месяца назад

1) Safety reasons: Not so easy to control as the normal brake. 2) More complex and expensive circuitry and controls, but it'll probably be better in later models. 3) Added weight in front. 4) These bikes are light and relatively cheap.

@johnjones4621 Год назад

Ross , Tegan, Very interesting EV bikes have there place but range is always the issue I don’t believe the technology is that good at the moment to give a viable option to ICE engines saying that Volvo say that there production of their EV car take 77,000 miles or 124 kilometres to become carbon neutral ?😊

@BikerTorque Год назад

Thanks for watching, agree, unless you live and only ride in the city, then range is the major issue.

@craigbuchan316 10 месяцев назад

Yeah just on 50 years of riding bikes. And personally cant wait til they get E bikes perfected. Make one that will do 200k`s and have some 60`s-70`s retro styling and Id be in like Flynn.

@BikerTorque 10 месяцев назад

I was discussing retro styled electric c bikes with a mate last week, I’d be all over one, my mate wasn’ so keen. Thanks for watching

@albertschembri50 Год назад

can i have a pillion on this bike

@BikerTorque Год назад

Yes, sort of there are pillion foot pegs, but not a lot of room on the seat

@evobsm2328 10 месяцев назад

I live in a small country, belgium. And for what its worth i acctually like this over a gas bike anyday. Espescially with how the traffic etc is in my country. Although if you had to commute longer distances then ofcourse the gas bike takes it home every day of the week. I mean look at how many gas stations there are compared to electric charging stations. Its just not the most logic decision for such long commutes.

@BikerTorque 10 месяцев назад

I definitely see the benefit s of electric but for me, we’re I live I’d need a bit more range to make it viable. But I totally get that for some cities it would work perfectly

@recorpse9698 22 дня назад

foot break really doesnt make sense on a gearless bike. which will be most of the bikes in the future and so really I think people should be learning to switch to using bicycle style breaks

@BikerTorque 22 дня назад

Maybe

@exceed9 Год назад

50km range in not neary enough to get around town

@BikerTorque Год назад

Depends how big the town is I suppose

@princeD1100 Год назад

If the Super Soco TV Max had a dual battery option, this would be ideal for many consumers.

@BikerTorque Год назад

It’s too small, there’s no room for a second battery

@princeD1100 Год назад

@@BikerTorqueIt's ashame the bike doesn't have this option, or even have a more powerful battery.

@wiredupelectric 10 месяцев назад

@@princeD1100 Aftermarket batteries are now available. It almost doubles stock capacity.

@gdswghdsCjiirwe 10 месяцев назад

Its weird but I'm really looking forward to my next car being electric while dreading the day my bikes electric

@BikerTorque 10 месяцев назад

Funny, I’ve been saying for a while my next car will be an electric

@mafketeltje1988 11 месяцев назад

Great to have electric motorcycle, but range and speed is really preventing it to sell well. Price is sharp, but with just 50km range and 80-90kmh makes it unusable for daily commuting for most of us....back to Zero;)

@BikerTorque 11 месяцев назад

Agree

@TheChromeRonin Год назад

It's a pity, because it is a nice little bike to ride, but a 125cc petrol bike would be cheaper, and have better range. And you still have to have a motorcycle learners licence at a minimum to ride it. Then service - I have a SuperSoco TC, for my daughter (can be ridden on a car leaners licence as a moped). It had a battery fault that meant the battery had to be sent from NZ to Aus to be serviced, and parts from China took 10 weeks to arrive. The local dealers had no spares. All of their second term at school, no transport.

@BikerTorque Год назад

Shame about the battery issue. Interesting you can ride in on a learners car licence, honestly not sure how I feel about that. The more motorcycle training the better is my thought.

@TheChromeRonin Год назад

As a moped, the TC limited to 50kph, and has a much less powerful motor than the TC Max, Ive also ridden with my daughter and made sure they are aware of the extra dangers involved with 2 wheels. In fact, it actually makes it easier when teaching them to drive, as they already have a good grounding in the roadcode, and handling traffic.

@manuelhaug4053 Год назад

Motorcycles are an emotional thing. Electric power totally contradicts. The range is a joke and so is the top speed. So it’s not for me. Looks good though! Love your videos !!!

@BikerTorque Год назад

Thanks for checking out our videos. I get it that motorcycles are an emotional experience, don’t right off an ev just yet though, it’s not the same as riding an ICE engine, it’s different, but still has its place

@bullegal Год назад

Would not own one even if it was given to me

@BikerTorque Год назад

Lol, harsh.

@arcticspace Год назад

Needs fast charger

@BikerTorque Год назад

Agree

@hachewie Год назад

I've still never ridden an electric Bike. This won't be the first one.

@BikerTorque Год назад

Actually I think you should, it would be some sight Chewie.

@hachewie Год назад

@@BikerTorque hahahahaha. Beauty and the beast.

@BikerTorque Год назад

@@hachewie 😂😂😂 or in the words of my mate Jamie, like a bulldog rooting a tennis ball

@hachewie Год назад

@@BikerTorque 🤣🤣🐶🥖🎾

@AnythingEvil78 10 месяцев назад

Sounds pretty crap, I have a fast scooter which is handy then I have my motorcycles, this bike needs to have a 120km/hr top speed at least and double the range to be useful . . .

@BikerTorque 10 месяцев назад

Not sure it needs to be a 120 km/h bike, but agree an electric that would do that and with better range would be great, although I imagine it would be at a completely different price point to the TC Max

@RheaAyase Год назад

> high beam; Please stop blinding other road users, and adjust your normal headlight properly for riders weight... it wasn't correct in the video, it's visibly pointing too low. It's not rocket science, it's a size 10 key iirc (or 8.)

@BikerTorque Год назад

Trust me, the high beams on this bike aren’t that bright.

@speedfinder1 Год назад

Not for me! I live on a small island with a population of 60,000 people. It is 24 square miles. The local energy company has now finished a properly costed study into what is required to set up eco power for homes businesses and transport for the next 25 years. The cost, 1.75 Billion pounds sterling for the equipment and infrastructure to achieve this. Yes, that is the number! Electric vehicles are not the answer however alluring they may seem. Sorry.

@BikerTorque Год назад

That cost seems extraordinary.

@speedfinder1 Год назад

@@BikerTorque 🤪🤪 I'm slightly frightened to carry this on as I might seem like a crank. But local to me they are looking at a 36 mile long wind farm in the coastal waters. That's £5 Billion pounds UK sterling! I wish I was making it up! 🙄.

@BikerTorque Год назад

@@speedfinder1 safe place hear regardless of thoughts on evs.