Could Young Joseph Joestar beat Dio? 

I say Joseph wins, because of two factors: 1) Unlike MANY JoJo characters, Joseph knows when to run away. This gives him an extra edge in any sort of "unprepared" situation, just because he'll have an extra step making an escape compared to most. 2) While Dio and Joseph may have similar brains smarts, Joseph has superior emotional smarts. Joseph may pretend to have pride, but when it comes right down to it it's usually just an act to deceive his opponent. Joseph will sink to any level to push his opponent's buttons, and Dio has many many many such buttons to push.

"Could Young Josep-" Yes.

Definitely. He's jacked like Jonathan but with way more of those sneaky strats. If he can beat Pillar Men in 1v1s, he can certainly beat Dio

Agree with all your points, but I think you forgot about Joseph's tommygun tactic

Joseph was clowning on Pillarmen, he'd eat Part 1 Dio for breakfast lol

I don't understand the debate here. Straitz perfected his vampirism and before all that was an experienced Hamon master on top of that, despite that Joseph still took care of him easily before he even underwent any training. I'm not sure what would prevent Joseph from pulling off something like the grenade trick on Dio when Straitz never was able to even notice it. And this is all not even going into the pillar men who supposedly have thousands of years worth of fighting experience.

Highballing Joseph's intellect...he literally clows an IQ 400 perfect being more than once.

Imagine if Joseph continued to master his hamon by part 3. He'd be pretty darn broken. Also he'd still look young.

You forget Joseph's trusty wool hat that he used against ac/dc who's to say he doesn't have another? Hamon thread doesn't contain water vapor or moisture and as such a wool hat is dios ultimate counter. Or joseph could simply use a trick as cheap as say cactus overdrive or soda cap overdrive. Something to blind his enemy long enough to secure the win. He is known to carry a drink on him be it a bottle or flask at all times so he could easily use said flask or drink to his advantage.

If Joseph can defeat the creators of the Stone Mask, than the answer is obvious.

Straits literally said he perfected all of dio’s vampire moves of course Jospeh could. Now say dio woke up a few years after part 2 the it’s even easier since Jospeh has Lisa Lisa to back em up

Intelligence: Part 1 Dio lost to Jonathan because he didn't realize he was standing near a fire. Not even comparable to Joseph in any way. Attack potency: Pillar men like santana are stated to be above vampires like Dio. Kars himself comparing santana as a guard dog or a child. Joseph cut kars' light blade in half while exhausted. Dio's ice manipulation matter of fact might just be overwhelmed due to the pillar men already having a resistance to hamon in the beginning of the series, and Joseph later gaining hamon strong enough to pierce right through them with a finger. Speed: Joseph kept up with kars. Pretty much no debate there. This fight is pretty much a wash the second you bring up joseph who trained for 3 weeks. Joseph being better at hamon than Jonathan. I mean for god sake, he stuck himself to a wall covered in oil with hamon for 60+ hours. He did this at the start of training with a mask that made it difficult to conduct hamon

Young Joseph could easily clap Dio. Straitzo is said to be in Dio's ball park (who he easily clapped) and the pillarman are magnitudes stronger then Straito.

"If the territory isn't special..." I think that's the thing that gives Joseph the edge. I don't think there's anything special about the places Joseph fights with or the tools Joseph uses to his advantage. Josephs biggest strength is the ability to take literally anything he can find to make the territory special, be it a mirror against Straits, the well against Santana, or even the cars in the Mariah fight. The only way I can see Dio winning is if they're both naked, on Final Destination, and Joseph hasn't eaten anything solid in a while. Also I'm not really sure if Dio's intellect really matches up to Joseph. Sure he's a genius academically but time and time again he overplays his power misses key details in the heat of battle. What is Part 1 Dio's greatest intellectual feat?

I think you are overhyping part 1 Dio. If Dio could be out maneuvered and beaten by Johnathan then surely Joseph (whom you said was physically comparable to johnathan but with an intellect capable of tricking ultimate lifeforms kars) would be able to pull out a W.

Tbh, I think Joseph wins because Part 1 Dio wouldn't expect a hamon user to fight dirty, and Joseph has fought a decent bit of characters that outclassed Dio. Kind of a bit of an unfair fight

Most def bro he's got every advantage Jonathan had plus more and he kinda beat the perfect lifeform

Unless you put Joseph and Dio on an impossibly flat, unbreakable surface, Joseph would win. Even then, there is a solid chance that Joseph would somehow use the terrain against Dio.

The thing about JoJo power scaling is that it is all about circumstances. Most battles in the series are won by very clever and specific things. There's never a "this character is stronger so he wins" situation. So for every hypothetical matchup, there's infinite scenarios in which one or the other could win. It's just hard

Is no one going to point out that by the end of part 2 he was 1 shotting lesser vampires and severely injuring wham with every strike? Essentially meaning he could probably 2 shot dio Also I did not originally mention that Joseph already knows about And knows how to counter Dio's space ripper stingy eyes

I don’t think Joseph’s a great prepare-r. I think he’s good at figuring out how to use what he’s got on hand to take down his enemy, which we’ve seen DIO is exceptionally vulnerable to. And while both Joseph and Dio are geniuses, DIO’s more of a strategist while Joseph is a trickster. Neither play fair, but Joseph knows how to get his opponents to out themselves and defeat themselves to a degree. Dio is more about gathering allies or minions to his side to weaken his opponents and get information on them without risk to himself. I really don’t see any scenario where Dio can kill Joseph without Za Warado.

Joseph's whole gimmick as a teen was to wiggle his way out of impossible situations. If you get into the discussion of fate within Jojo, Dio is literally fated to lose every single time. [Spoiler territory!] The only way he even achieves his dream is through someone else, because Dio's own arrogance causes him to lose almost every single time. Every victory Dio ever achieves comes at a major cost. He beats Jonathan and takes his body but gets stuck in a coffin for decades. He beats Old Joseph and gets his blood but loses to Jotaro. So maybe he could beat Joseph, but he'd certainly die in the process.

I think that Joseph would be smart enough to stall until the sun came out.

to my understanding joseph's hamon is much stronger than what Jonathan's was because of his training with lisa lisa. That plus is pretty much equal physical ability and his unorthodox tactics, he could definitely find a way to take Dio out. Dio is a genius but mostly conventionally, he plays dirty but still in a very stand up/holier than thou way. Joseph does whatever to win regardless of how it makes him look. I def see how Dio wins more times than not, especially on paper. But the way Joseph is characterized and how he wins his fights, it's kinda really hard to quantify the ways he comes out on top because he consistently pulls Ws from thin air. I think there's reasons both of them win in different ways but I feel like Joseph just can't lose in the end, he has far too much luck on his side, which is completely unquantifiable and unfun for a versus

He has countered space ripper stingy eyes on his first try, and his hamon attacks usually don’t even include physically touching the opponent, so the freezing trick doesn’t work either. Plus, his hamon even works on pillar men, who have a higher resistance to it due to their conductive skin. Basically, he would definitely defeat part 1 dio lol. He could use the thread he used against Esidisi, for example, or even the clacker volley thing, etc.

I believe you are overlooking just now much more skilled with the ripple Joseph is than Jonathan, and Dio's arrogance plays well into Joseph's ability to read people. Honestly people in the comments have made way better arguments in his favor and even with every point you made, I'm still not convinced he'd lose.

dio doesnt got anything against tommy gun overdrive

Joseph seems to be stronger than Johnathon in terms of everything bust strength, and maybe raw willpower. Hes kind of the perfect Jojo and would defeat Dio better than Johnathon could

It's crazy how underpowered Joseph is (all parts, 2-4) compared to other characters, in terms of ability and strength in a lot of cases. Atleast in my opinion his strength is almost always mental and not physical, using what physical abilities he has to it's max combined with advanced tactics to take down opponents and that's why he's so strong. It's not to say that he isn't physically strong, his hamon and hermit purple are pretty strong, but in comparison to most other characters he'd easily lose if he didn't have as much battle experience and intelligence. Compared to Dio, who is both cunning and powerful, who has a lot of mental weakness compared to most characters despite what it may seem. Joseph has displayed always been able to mentally manipulate his opponent, and Dio when showing his true colors is easily manipulated by Jonathan and Jotaro when he loses his cool, which is ultimately how he loses any battle. Joseph is a Character that's basically designed to be exactly that, so I'd day he'd whoop Dio somehow.

Remember guys, he defeated vampire straizo which could be similar in strength to dio, plus he outsmarted ya know, *the smartest species in existence that have lived for thousands of years*

I feel like you're giving too much credit to Dio. Strazio literally said that the reason why he lost was because he was so enamored with himself that he got cocky. Plus, his clacker volley isn't his only weapon, he also has the string of his clothes that he used to body Esidisi and there is no way in hell that he doesn't have a least one way to decive Dio using the environment. If they were in a field he could use the grass, if they were in a castle of sorts he could use the glass, if they were on just an arena like with Esidisi then he could probably kick up the rocks. Also, considering the fact that Joseph is objectively a better hamon user than Jonathan and how Jonathan only lost to Dio because he wasn't ready, I honestly think that this is a beatdown for Joseph is anything.

Araki said that if the crusaders were to go back in time to battle tendency they would see hermit purple. Also, when Joseph holds up the red stone to magnify Kars’s attack, the narrator said he didn’t know what he was doing and was acting purely off of instinct. I believe that this was hermit purple acting on its own, and therefore I think it’s wrong to say that he’d be without a stand, I believe that he would be able to use hermit purple in a very crude way, (maybe something like he can just use it on his hands) but it’s still hermit purple nonetheless. The stand itself has been shown to be incredibly strong physically, so I think that Joseph could win with his incredible hamon skill paired with basic hermit purple attacks (like if it wrapped around his fist for extra punch damage)

Santana was stated stronger than Dio. Joseph can take hits from even stronger characters than Santana. Easy dub for joseph

With Joseph you forgot one thing... The Power Of A Grenade.

If he can beat the most op character by saying "next you'll say" then Dio getting bodied easily lmao

Joseph has like 2x(maybe 3x) the hamon of Jonathan. He literally had the hamon skills of Jonathan at like 11 and when he defeated Kars he probably became one of the strongest hamon users (also the fact that Caeser gave his hamon to him makes him even stronger. First of all Caeser went throught the same training as Joseph which made their hamon skills a lot better than Jonathan's and after that Caeser gave him his hamon) So in terms of power Joseph is stronger and smarter but Dio's ability to freeze is op too

I think Joseph wins because he backs off, runs away, and finds a new advantage repeatedly against Dio. Dio, on the other hand is much more likely to get arrogant and leave himself open. Combine that with Joseph's tendency to be a dirty fighter and I think he wins against Dio, but ends up in the hospital for a month even with Hamon.

I think it depends on who goes looking for the fight. If Joseph waltzes up in Dio's crib, he's ad the disadvantage. Likewise, if Dio comes looking for Joseph, I feel like he'd be at the disadvantage. Dio has a home, and has had homes. Castles. Everywhere but your home is Joseph's home.

I think the most realistic situation for a dio vs Joseph fight is in a city. Cuz dio has plans to hunt or increase his army but Joseph sees and tries to stop him. Joseph would be at an advantage since he's more familiar with the terrain. Ain't no way Joseph AND dio are just chillin in an open field then see eachoher and are like, let's scrap.

Dont do my boy Joseph dirty: TOMMY GUN OVERDRIVE

You forgot about Joseph's special ability which is running away nobody can compete with that

Joseph Joestar: Dio! You killed my father D:< Dio: I was in trapped in a cofin, tf you talking about?

Dio is also a genius but he's proud, Joseph is cocky but he would throw his pride in the dirt if it meant beating the enemy. Joseph takes the enemy's personality into consideration, not just the environment, Dio never does that because he thinks people are beneath him, that everyone else is a simpleton, Joseph included, and that's why he would lose his life against him.

Straizo was meant to much more powerful that Dio, and he defeated him in an episode or so, leading me to think that Joseph would win easily.

"A random field" A FIELD OF GRASS CONDUCTS HAMON YOU FOOL

“DIO IS STRONGER COZ HE VAM- Joseph goes: No me have big boi gun Edit: thanks for the highlight kaleb I appreciate your vids

Joseph: " *pulls flamethrower out of thin air* "

I mean Joseph defeated the daddies of vampires.

I'd say Joseph would lose ONLY in the case that he can't escape from Dio. As we know the things Joseph had, played a huge part in defeating his enemies, and Joseph knows that too. He knows he's more of a normal dude when compared to monsters like Pillar Men, or vampires. So he runs away, to prepare and then make a comeback like Batman. He wasn't kidding when he said that running away was his secret technique. In the situation that Joseph and Dio are to fight on a similar, fair situation like you put them in, Joseph is most likely to run away and only fight when he has the advantage. So only in situations that Joseph can't run away, would he most likely lose to Dio.

pre training Joseph is a better matchup for dio. The only real thing dio has on him is the freeze, however Joseph is way smarter and found ways to counter Straizo's scarf as well as lasers. maybe if they were in a flat environment with no interference dio might have a chance, but if there is any environment Joseph will find a way to counter the freeze. if we're talking post training Dio has no chance, The amount of hax and battle experience Wammu has far surpasses Dio and Joseph managed to pull that one out so it's really no contest. it would be more interesting to see whether part 2 Joseph with hermit purple could contend against part 3 Dio

"You're next line is... 'Hoh, you're approaching me?'." "Hoh, you're approaching me?" "NANI!?!?"

Vampire Dio in part 3 was terrifying because of his stand. Without it he's cunning and cruel, and definitely smart... But he's still weaker than Santana power wise. So I would put him about on same threat level as Santana because awaken Santana wasn't exactly malicious, he was just curious and acting in self defense. If Joseph wasn't killed by Dio by suprise, he would just learn about his attacks, read him, play into his emotional weaknesses and run away, only to meet later, more prepared. After all, Joseph's most powerfull technique is ability to run away.

The entire point of the Straizo fight was to answer this question, and the answer was "Yes."

When you realize pillar men only exists in part 2 instead of Dio is just because Joseph would have destroy Dio if he awakened in part 2. Dio literally has no chance against Joseph when you look at Joseph as a character introduction

Dio after beating the shit out of Joseph in timestop but as he unfreezes he realizes he has 69 grenades strapped to his balls with clackers: 💀

joseph would simply outpower and outdo dio on all levels even without tricks, after his training he was able to piece azdc's skin, while that might not sound impressive it meant his Hamon was so potent it was able to break through the normally unconducive skin meaning Dio as a normal vampire would die on contact without a chance to freeze. in part 3 dio was too scared to attack joseph's Hamon even in stopped time part 1 dio would be a joke to joseph and would only have running away as an option.

Joseph with Star Platinum solos the entire Jojoverse. Change my mind.

I think this is interesting to think about. It's easy to go the A > B > C route and say that A > B and B > C which means that A > C, but it isn't that simple. The Pillar Men are terrifyingly strong against Vampires, but in a fight against Hamon users they don't have a significant advantage compared to Vampires. They resist Hamon, but a proficient enough Hamon user will still cut through them like butter. They may have a genius intellect, but having 400 IQ doesn't matter much in a fight. With enough Hamon mastery and battle smarts, fighting a Pillar Man isn't that much different to fighting a Vampire like Dio. What remains are the specific abilities and preferences of whoever's fighting. And honestly? I don't think Dio or Joseph have an inherent edge over the other in a 1v1. Both sides are geniuses, both sides can kill the other off of a single mistake, and both sides are willing to fight dirty. The specific ways Joseph MIGHT defeat Dio all come down to their surroundings, and the same is true in reverse. As far as specifics go, I see them having one major problem when fighting each other. Joseph will have issues with Dio's pragmatism. Dio almost always avoids fights he thinks he might lose, usually opting to retreat and stack the deck in his favor. Even in part 1 when his ego was at an all-time high, he still preferred to build an advantage whenever possible. Joseph might usually like fighting arrogant meatheads, but Dio is too cautious to fall for a taunt, despite his ego. Joseph will never fight Dio in a fair 1v1, which hurts him since "fair" 1v1's are Joseph's forte. Dio on the other hand, will have issues with Josephs improvisation. Dio was never particularly good at improvising, but made up for it with preparation. This makes him fairly predictable and narrowminded. If Joseph bullshits a way out of Dio's shenanigans, he has a solid chance at killing him outside of his advantage. Considering how overconfident Dio can get once he stacks the deck, Joseph has a real chance at catching him. TL;DR They both have a pretty solid chance.

We all know Joseph gonna pull of the secret technique without fail.

I think like you said it depends on the environment and prep, but assuming they go into a field and BOTH have prep... I think Joseph wins, but if both go in blind then yeah, Dio wins

The only way Dio can win is if you strip away anything Joseph could use as an advantage while keeping anything Dio could use as an advantage

I don't think there is a version of Joseph that exists where he doesn't know all about Dio. Like he already knew about Vampires, the masks and their weakness to Hamon long before he encountered Straizo, so if eel like Erina and Speedwagon must've told him about Jonathan and Dio's battle. Joseph at the beginning of the part has all the knowledge necessary to prep for Dio. He based his battle strategy he used on Straizo on what he heard about Dio. Also Joseph's main tactic is exploiting character flaws in his opponents to manipulate their behavior. He played Wamuu multiple times because he correctly identified him as being prideful and sides that to his advantage. Dio's egotism, especially in part 1, is his biggest weakness and makes him an easy target to Joseph's antics. And the worst part is that Joseph already knows what Dio is like before they would ever even meet.

In JoJo Bizare Adventures r, young Joseph's character has the ability to "inject Hamon" into his tommy gun or bullets so if we use that tactic In his fight against Dio Dio wouldn't expect it because he never met a Harmon user that uses a gun. Also Joseph's pockets could easily hide his tommy gun knowing that his pockets are the size of duffel bags while still looking like there is no tommy gun in his pockets.

How about this: Can Giorno beat Dio? I've always wondered this since Giorno's stand uses "Life Energy" which is pretty similar to Hamon. I'd imagine if an undead/vampire were hit by Golden Experience they would die due to the life energy.

Joseph has "random bs go" overdrive

There’s also the fact that Hamon Techniques had advanced significantly after Johnathan dies, specifically using objects to channel Hamon into (clackers and bubbles for example). Also Dio's ice powers come from flash freezing the liquids in his opponent's body, and that requires him to grab and HOLD his opponent. Plus Dio's “Stingy Ripper Eyes” aren’t lasers, they are extremely high pressure ferrofluid jets that have the power to not only reach the cloud layer, but open it up (you are looking at power it is in the the kilotons of TNT)

If Joseph was able to infuse the Tommy gun bullets with hamon he would have solved all of part 2’s problems in a week

It also depends on what era dio we're refering to, because if DIO just got Jonathan's body, he would be weakened. If we waited until Dio got used to Jonathan's body, then he would've gotten the stand arrow and both characters would have stands. But we could also be refering to DIO right before he got his head cut off, in which case he's like, peak vampire but no stand powa. Joseph beat the kings of vampirism, normal vampires are no sweat for him. Part 2 was the beginning of power creep, and thats why we switched away from hamon, Araki didn't want Dragon Ball levels of power creep. So, to keep the series interesting, Joseph's opponents were much much stronger than Jonathan's. But if we're talking young Joseph vs No stand Vampire DIO, Joseph wins all day

1:04 "Genius" is a bit much in my opinion. But overall, I agree. He's an incredibly strategic/tactical person. 1:15 Sure.

I think, leaving the joke "it's the same type of stand as Star Platinum", Joseph is THE character with the true power of the plot. No matter what, he will always know what to do and when to do it. Despite being clownsy and all, he is truly one of the smartest characater in all mangas

He’s literally the new update of Jonathan joestar

Literally coughing baby vs thermonuclear bomb

I just realised something joseph beat what Jonathan had to beat throughout his whole part with no hamon training and then he beats a stronger version of it with a piece of string

Joseph: your next line will be "muda muda muda muda....." Dio: Hooo, Joseph: ohh mai godddo

as fun as Jojo Vs matches are, equal footing isn't really how jojo fights work at all. like Part 3 the heroes flat out mention how unusual it is for their enemy to openly come at them without trickery after all

You forgot the most important move, the ULTIMATE JOSTAR TECHNIQUE... RUN AWAY!!!

Joseph is basically Jonathan but he's got that speed wagon street smarts and he beat the pillar men who are more powerful than Dio, there's no way Dio would give him THAT much issue

Joseph's greatest asset is his sheer luck

Here's the thing with Joseph vs Esidisi and Wamuu: they were IMMUNE to normal Hamon because their skin blocked it. Then Joseph was able to Hamon them anyway. Joseph's Hamon against Dio would likely kill him a LOT faster than Jonathan's Hamon. Also, Joseph has tools for long ranged attack other than the clacker volley: his clothing. We know he takes that into account from using his headband against Wamuu, and given all he's done with Hamon, I think he could tear up his shirt, harden and flatten the pieces, and use them as Hamon-charged shurikens. Also, he can dodge eye lasers, so at a distance, he has the advantage. Now we look at close range. He has to counter Dio's freeze attack. The problem is that Dio has to touch him for this. Dio touching Joseph is game over because of his Hamon, which is superior to Jonathan's. But let's say that's not enough. An interesting point to make is that Joseph is smarter than me. If I can come up with a strong strategy, Joseph would definitely consider that strategy and possibly have a better one. That said, once he's removed his shirt, he has another item of clothing to use: shoes. We know he can use Hamon with his feet at a very high level, so the move to use is kicking. He kicks Dio, Dio freezes, he uses finely controlled Hamon to get his foot out of the shoe immediately (since it's freezing, it's almost certainly sticking to Dio, so he can take his foot out before the ice penetrates the shoe), and Dio burns from Hamon that he packed into his shoe. So then he does the same thing with his other foot, and then he uses his socks-and Dio's done. No way can Dio take four solid Hamon hits from the dude who wrecked the Pillar Men. But what if Dio comes up with a strategy? Well, he won't be at Joseph's level. Dio relies on his powers, while Joseph is all about strategy. Dio will think he's outclassing Joseph until he realizes the powers he counted on were strategized around, at which point it's too late. However, part 3 Dio stomps Part 2 Joseph. The World is too much.

Even joseph had even a lil bit decent stand than hermit purple, he would rock them all with no effort

if joseph knows he can't win then he'd just run away, find something that gives him advantage and win

2:01 he's been around long enough to learn directly from sun tzu himself.

this dude sent an immortal ultimate organism to space AND lived to tell the tale he could take a blonde vampire

joseph outsmarted 3 creators of vampires

We're talking about the guy that outsmarted a supreme being with over 1000 IQ right? The man who PURPOSELY cut his own arm off to troll his opponent

Joseph's examinations on anyone will win, he will talk and examine down to sub atomic level until they fall asleep easy

I find it funny that the comments show that most people didn't even watch the video and just went straight to commenting

Young Joseph already had subconscious control over hermit purple at part 2 plus his physical strength is higher so o say he can beat it but its not going to be a walk in the park with part 3 DIO

If there’s one thing any of us should have learned from Battle Tendency it’s that Joseph has a chance to beat *anybody*.

To be honest joseph can even use a green plains field to his advantage and make hamon projectiles out of grass. Nobody would of thought of that, yet he would probably try it.

If Joseph can beat each and every one of the pillar men in a 1v1 then he for sure can beat Vampire Dio

Gotta love the captions being a Kaleb 2.0

Even in a grass field type of environment. I see Joseph setting the grass on fire with his Hamon wool, then pulling out his scarf and use it as a paraglider to fly Zelda-style using the heat it generates to get the high ground on Dio. Some shit like that is totally believable in the world of JoJo

You forgot joseph’s ultimate technique: the 9 mil full auto

As long as JoJo has a pair of shotglasses, the fight goes to JoJo the longer the fight goes on. He's too squirrelly to be nailed down too early on.

If Joseph says "You’re next line is", the fight is cake

I thing the reason he would be able to, is a simple fact. Joseph either has the perfect surroundings, or he creates them. For example, against straitcho(I don't know how to spell his name) he shot him, exploded him, but if he didn't run to the bridge, he would've been dead. But he created the ideal environment to achieve victory. Joseph is a smart man with a simple rule-set: Situation A:can he win? Yes->no problem then! No->run until he has the ideal features of surroundings. This is the reason I love Joseph, and he's my favorite jojo.

Young Joseph would make Dio go insane. Dio only got away with Jonathan because Jonathan was a noble gentleman.

Joseph doesn’t need prep time, he’s gone against a vampire and knows what a vampire looks like, nonetheless went against 3 pillar men

Dio's combat intellect really comes into question when compared to the Jojos as he has never shown the same kind of resourcefulness and quick thinking that is trademark to the family. He is just so hung up on the idea of being more powerful than his opponent that he only relies on his powers instead of an actual plan. Wether your a good guy or bad guy in Jojo, thinking on your feet is the most important trait to have.