counting to 7 has never been so hard 

This will be the controversy that finally kicks off the civil war and resulting end of days. Definitely 7 for me personally.

The snare backbeats hit on the 2, on the beat following the clap (which is the 1). End of story. He plays with the rhythmic placement later in the piece, that's the point of what he's doing, but that shouldn't change how it is notated from the beginning. Also the conducting which is clearly a full bar of 7 leading into the 1.

I feel it on 1 beacause of the snare crosstick "backbeat", like I'm not so used to hear snares on 1 so yeah.

I totally agree on the 7. I practiced tuba from 6th grade to my senior year. I quit practicing after high school. Maybe someone knows better than me though.

I read in the description, that Balthazar Maignan did the transcription? So why do you write, that YOU opted for the clap on 7?

Is not even a 7/4, there is a 123.5 time Edit: Thank you all for making me notice my error, but you can also not be so rude in comments sometimes. Bye

I was at this show, I just watched Jaleel and clapped whenever he did because there was no chance I was following along

@@VincentKun Time signature and tempo are seperate things. Having a different tempo doesn't change the time signature, just the speed of the piece.

@@VincentKun 123.5 is how many beats per minute. 4 is the type of note (quarter notes) and 7 is the amount of times that note appears in a bar. So the time signature is 7/4 and the bpm 123.5 :)

7/4 is pretty simple to follow, it's the syncopations and polyrhythms that make it insanely hard here

@@comedelage1282 Thanks mate

@@comedelage1282 He's in the description!

I actually find it very boring, it's like 1/999999 of the stuff Chris Dave has been doing for 2 decades... After him, these players come evidently inspired by Chris, but with a very very shy approach. After Chris, most of the drummer's languages became obsolet, or a very shy, partial, incomplete borrowing from the inmense, huge rhythm language chris developed!

@@joaluar lol just listen to prog music mate

@@joaluar I did not enjoy reading your comment, I’ll just say

@dogman It's better because it's one syllable; normally you have one, two, three, four, five, six and sev-en which feels off meter-wise.

ouch

@dogman i say "se'en" for the same reason

マジでそれな

OK. But what is the point?

do you know what kind of polyrhythm he is playing at that moment? so fiendish

It's like playing a remix level in a Rhythm Heaven game but in real life.

@@eartherdelor old comment, but he alternates the pattern of the kick and snare starting from beat 7 on the previous measure to be on every 4th note instead of on the beat. makes it sound like it's 5/4 but it's still played in the same triplets (each triplet now being a sixteenth note) as before, which is why it sounds like the tempo slowed down so much. plus, with where he started the pattern, there's a single extra triplet after the complete pseudo-5/4 bar before beat 7, which clearly threw a lot of people off in the audience

@@eartherdelormetric modulation

​@@cryms. I rewound it several times and couldn't get that one!

It's not that many people can't clap at 4, there usually is an asshole like me in the crowd, who with purpose claps off-beat to get other people fuck up. For some reason people find it hard to clap on 4, when person next to them claps beat later and in the next moment they are also clapping beat later.

@@tarksurmani6335 It's the equivalent of trying to sing in church with someone going completely off-tune right behind you

Singer is a drummer.

I was there as well! And yes, I'm a drummer.

naw I just watch the guy on stage and clap with him

Hate to say it but I don't really get the appeal - his playing is so busy that it's just distracting to me. Great as a solo artist and clinician but I can't stand him in vulf / flyers.

I don't know what to say to Matt Logan there, this is the first I have seen of him... I think he George Collier and me need to play with a symphony as the audience, to beat this, cuz that audience actually has some musical talent. Not to even speak of the talent the respective artists have.

how "busy" can a person who barely leaves the hi hat/snare/kick possible be lol

@@zackmash851 You should watch a DCI snare line

@@mattlogan1 i appreciate a good snare line, but the feat there isnt the musicianship but rather the coordination. nowhere near as musical as nate smith

The time signature 7:4 is really weird, and hard to get used to if you’re not trained. Usually when reading sheet music, it’s common time (4/4), which is just, 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4. This is 7:4. I’ve never played in 7:4 so I don’t know how it goes, but I think it’s 7 quarter notes in a four note measure? I don’t know, but it’s super awkward sounding. Playing with this off-beat time signature is definitely impressive

@@justiceofbook you are correct all the way. we all count differently but it’s important to feel the strong 1 aka downbeat

As someone whos played guitar for 20 something years as a hobby, I have absolutely no clue what is going on here, but I can tell its very impressive lol I couldnt keep a beat if my heart depended on it!

@@brokenacoustic as someone who's been studying music theory for the past four years, it's still really hard to keep up I've heard about some made up time signatures that are meant to be even crazier like 11/24, musicians are naturally insane

@@isaacpianos5208 I'm an audio engineer. I have only learned to count 1,2 1,2 testing microphones ;)

Thanks, I found it funny so I add it 😊

@@BalthazarMaignan who are you?

@@mysigt_ actually, I did this transcription, it's written in the video description 😉

@@BalthazarMaignan oh, sorry. I assumed it was George. The OOOW was a crucial addition :)

@@mysigt_ it's okay, I had to tell him to actually put my name but he did so I'm happy with that

I’m a drummer and this time sig baffles my little drummer boi brain 😂😂😂

"Chicago, man"

@@atteheikkinen I'm from Chicago!

At least they are only clapping every bar so that makes it easier but I’m surprised people weren’t more off

Just get a sax guy on the side who clap along, makes it's easier for the audience to just do what he does lol

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Really? Am... Am i a experienced musician omg. 😳

some people just have a natural flow for rythm

it´s jazz people, they´re a special breed 😂

Those who attend gigs like this are more likely lifelong music fans of challenging music (Jazz, Funk, etc.) with of course musicians in there as well

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ne6tB2KiZuk.html Same concept

I mean you aren't wrong...

he's german, germans can only clap on 4/4. true story, source: i'm german

To be honest this is one of the evil things I do. I on purpose, when people are clapping on beat, start clapping off beat to fuck up their clapping. Works 100% of time.

@@tarksurmani6335 even better if you clap like 6/8 or something

@@QuantumFluxable Hans! Get the Vier-Viertel-Takt!!

Alright but how the heck do you count this? I can kinda count most of this but this one trips me up completely

@@diWHY_Jake it’s the same exact way as the rest, it’s just played so slowly that it will throw you off (I’m not big on theory I just play that’s my take on it)

This is a concept that was popular last year when a bunch of drummers started covering Everybody Wants to Rule the World. Lots of metric modulation

@@TheTheOpTiCJewel It doesn't get slower, he just makes it look that way

you just made this so easy to follow tysm

thats literally how conducter conduct 7/8 or 7/4 123 12 12 or 12 12 123

You are a genius, sir. Thanks !

Exactly. Or 4 + 3. I don’t know any musician who counts complex rhythms in large numbers. You always break it down into smaller pieces.

Yeah that's how most musicians break down the structure of a piece. It helped me play more complex pieces when I used to be in band. Like Mars is a famous 5/4 piece but it is often counted and conducted as '1-2-3 1-2'

Why is it no goddamn audience can keep tempo in 4/4 to save their lives, but when it's 7/8 suddenly we're all on the same page? Is it because now they actually have to pay close attention?

@@Tsugimoto1 it probably was an audience full of musicians

Wow, I never thought I would see you here. I used to watch your Thomas toy reviews when I was a kid. Small world

The musicians on stage were giving the audience signals, inadvertent or not.

@@aidenanderson9310 dang I used to watch that guy’s series on the redback spider tank. What a coincidence

They were black.

That's racist af 🙄 Also who says they weren't counting? You don't know either way

@@tremolo312 It isn't 'racist' any more than saying black people have darker skin. It's just a fact, that you can observe if you look close enough. They have better rhythm, on average, and the average is what shows when you have a room full of people. And that isn't derogatory, it's a compliment.

@@tremolo312 Just look at a room full of white people dancing and then compare that to a room full of POC dancing. Mate there is a difference!

@@andybaldman African tribes have been doing rhythmic rituals for spiritual practices for millennium. I don't know how Mr. Ron over here could possibly think that it's racist to say that they are more in tune with rhythm than other phenotypes. They definitely are lmao! Ragtime? Bebop? Jazz? Rhythm and blues? Rock? Funk? Hip hop? Like fuck yeah they got rhythm in their DNA it isn't hard to tell.

I think it's kind of like a hemiola going from a 21/8 feel into a 7/4 feel but my brain melted too. The pulse of the 8th note triplets never change but the rest of the groove arranges itself into groups of 4.

@@TheGoldielox You're overcomplicating it, it's just grouping the 3s into 4s until he runs out of room in the measure. It's not even that rigid either, you can see that he extends the last one to a group of 5 because otherwise there would be a messy hit right next to the clap (not messy for him obviously, but when you factor in the audience). If you want to analyze this as a specific theory technique it would be metric modulation, shifting to a slightly slower tempo where the 8th note is equal to the rate of the 8th note triplet in the previous measure. It's so short-lived though that there's really no reason to think of it that way either, simple grouping communicates the same idea much easier. It's basically the same concept as when people write those dotted quarter note grooves that get cut off in 4/4 (3+3+2 and 3+3+3+3+2+2, hopefully it's clear what I'm talking about since they're everywhere) that are all over pop, rock and every other genre. It just seems alien here because people don't normally regroup triplets and don't normally play with that level of syncopation at all in 7/4.

He's playing triplets with every 4th note accented instead of every 3rd. Thats what grouping of 4 means. That way it doesnt feel like triplets anymore, altought it actually is.

Fact of the day: the first night level (the one with the samurai) switches to 7/4 halfway through! That’s why it’s way more difficult after that one bridge

yep, dont speak manderin yet i still counted "yi er san su wu liu qi"

Yes I was looking for this comment. Im used hearing Seven grouped as combinations of 3 and 4. But here its more like 6+1 or 3+3+1, this way of thinking of It makes It much easier to follow.

i don't think you need to be a prog musician to count to seven man

@@cupparuppa LOLLL

@@cupparuppa you'd be surprised

nah this is chicago man

nah dude i don’t play an instrument or anything but i could count to this with relative ease as most people could i think it’s just a normal crowd lol

Many musicians don't get the recognition they deserve. I love The Consouls (who did a few VGM jazz covers in odd time signatures eg Enter Waka) but they only have just under 60 000 subs on their channel.

@@cooldebt You're the first ever person to ever bring up The Consouls outside of their own videos. They are great.

1 2 3… what comes next?

1 2 3 4 1 2 3, thats how i count it

@@ryanthepianoman27 1223454564567567

It's incredibly hard to keep track of after he starts his rhythmic illusions, it's amazing that the drummer could keep track himself

Second measure? Yikes......

It’s not hard if you count in your head, but if you don’t it can be tricky

then your rhythmic capabilities are bad

I know most people are taking this comment in jest, like was the intent, but I'd suggest the others to not take things so seriously. I get that it's sometimes hard to understand humor over text, but even if this was a 100% real comment, being negative doesn't really help anyone. Anyway happy counting. 🙂

You misspelled "like an absolute legend"

Same

*us lol

Same. Wife looking at me like "why."

@@tonalddrump255 give me my chipotle

Give me my chipotle is wonderful. Saw him in Bloomington the day after that recording. An awesome concert

@@ExtraFancy96 I want chips, I want guac

@@tonalddrump255 give me my chipote

Petar Janjic! I thought of the exact same thing while watching this. "Give me my Chipotle, give me my Chipotle. I want chips, I want guac. Give me my Chipotle, ONE!"

Well, sort of. I just finished Rhythm Doctor, and unlike this video the 7th beat we actually clap on is actually just the fourth beat of 4/4 time. We're counting in eighths which is why it's the seventh beat in the game. It's easier to count to seven in the game than in this video. Semi-Spoilers for the game: Except for that one level of the game, N1-X, which actually is in 7/4 time.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0tmGhzpn6SQ.html it was out there since almost 2 years😉

@@danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 OK, so what? I just saw it.

@@gertnood just wanted to share.. maybe this with the clap on 1 makes more sense or maybe not

@@danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 OK I see.. didn't know what you meant. I tend to think the challenge is to know where 7 is, and the downbeat is on the bass drum quarter note as George has it written. Either way it is pretty neat.

It helps the audience keep pace

Clapping on one is easier. Maybe that's why he had them clap on 7.

It's totally clap on ONE

Read the notation. It’s claps on 7

I agree it sounds way more natural with clap on the one, at least to Western ears used to 4 on the floor. That's how I heard it before the sheet music

Agree

You could say that and it’s a matter of preference, but most of it feels like the clap is on 7. Particularly 1:13 and 1:43. But the transcription is available for free if you want to change it :)

​@@GeorgeCollier the claps def supposed to be felt as 1, why would nate play a backbeat on beat 1? the groove makes wayy more sense shifted a quarter over

@@GeorgeCollier he actually conducts a bar of it himself at around the 0:27 mark and the clap is on the downbeat. I think it makes a little more sense that way, but I'm still glad for the transcription

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0tmGhzpn6SQ.html

The Consouls went through a period where they did their VGM jazz covers in odd time signatures - you might enjoy their versions of Enter Waka or Night Walker in 7 (for their 7th birthday), Space Walk or Crystal Snail (OST mostly in 13/8) and a few others

which tune?

Bruh there’s like countless bands that use 7 and a load of other time signatures. King Gizzard is nowhere near as mathy as it gets, especially in the prog world.

@@HieronymousLex i don't think he's kg&tlw is special for using 7, i think they're special because they use 7 AND 2 drummers allowing for some crazy syncopation

@@alexchimi7093 having two drummers doesn’t equal more syncopation. Also syncopation isn’t related to time signatures at all, so having 2 drummers playing in 7 has nothing to do with syncopation, just saying. Believe me, I’ve been listening to Gizz for years. I love them lol. But I’m a drummer so I’m just saying.

@@HieronymousLex Of course it doesn't, but it's much easier to syncopate and incorporate more complex rhythms if one drummer is focused on one rhythm and the other in another lol

I feel for you

I'm not knowledgeable enough to say yes, but that's how I hear it

Thats how i hear it

To me he claps on the seven

@@lpharmer3496 If you can percieve the groove you are knowledgeable enough.

I certainly think so. He’s phrasing the bass drum in 4+3 it feels like (and that’s how he conducts it) so I think the clap should be on 1 Plus it feels like the snare should be on the backbeats of 2&4

It's a neat trick, but you can't dance to it!

@@vipermad358 You can totally dance to it.

if someone counts for me I'm fine, counting and playing I can't do xD

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0tmGhzpn6SQ.html here you go

Yes

So you're hearing the start of the bars as leadups into the bar, that makes sense

Same here, I've watched it twice now and it's a 6 for me. That's what makes sense musically in my brain's "rhythm receptors". I can see how it can be a 1 or 7 but it's not natural to me, 6 is.

ummmm no. He cues on 7 :)

@@Johnny-Joseph Based on his conducting pattern the clap is the downbeat. He beats 1 2 3 4 - 1 2 3 - (1) CLAP with his hands

@@sethkg9596 because he is cuing them to clap on 7....

@@Johnny-Joseph I'm sorry but you are incorrect, he conducts a downbeat there, a beat one. As the other person here said: he splits the bar into a 4/4 followed by 3/4

@@Johnny-Joseph you’re very much right, though the whole song, the audience is clapping on beat 7. He just conducts it in a way that cues beat 7

Same I can't break myself of from hearing "clap" 234567 "clap" ...

It's deliberately tricky

I wrote it that way at first but he changed it, must be a musical choice

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0tmGhzpn6SQ.html here you go

Not at all. Learning to count rhythm rather than relying on "feel" is like one of the first things you learn when playing instruments. Sure having feel is good but counting is reliable. That coming from a guy who always relied on feel (learnt odd time sigs from prog rock, never had any formal training) but who can nail shit like this one much better by counting

try to feel dance of eternity by dream theater then

​ @ZexaveLa Yeah it's a great song, and one that you definitely can feel. But what I was saying is that when you're trying to actually keep count in your head, you get distracted by what's being played so if you just feel the timing instead, you're less likely to get distracted

Great idea to have the audience do during a drum solo!