Covino & Rich Debate Who Had the Better Season Between Shohei Ohtani & Aaron Judge 

These guys and guys like these guys even if Ohtani manage to hit 100 home runs this year they would still find ways to discredit him.

It's not that people are discrediting Ohtani. You aren't giving Judge enough credit. Do you not understand that Judge's bat is far and away better than the rest of baseball? Like it's not even close. Judge wRC+ which takes into account runs created is 3rd ALL TIME. The only players in the history of the game who have a higher wRC+ are Barry Bonds and Babe Ruth. Judge's OPS is 134 points higher than Ohtani. Judge's OPS+ is 36 points higher. They are not even in the same universe as hitters. What Ohtani is doing is great. It isn't Aaron Judge great.

Agreed

American media always does this. They can't stand the fact that foreigners are dominating in some of their major sports. Same story in the MLB as it is in the NBA.

@@TheRexrapper name me another player that had 50/50 in a season, i'll wait. Your mentioning these advance analytics when in 2022 the main argument they were using on why Judge should MVP is his 62 hrs. This year with Ohtani's 50+/50+ season (first-ever), we cant use the same argument and admit that Shohei is having a better season?

Because stealing bases makes it much more likely that you score since you're immediately in scoring position...but who needs runs, they're only the thing that determines who wins the game. This dude sounds just like Rob Parker. A hater.

Yes but the Yankees fanboy only wants to pick stats that help his case

thats value

The argument is about who is having the better season. Judge is having the better season.

@@TheRexrapper that might be one of the questions but the title of this video and one of the questions asked is who is the real mvp of baseball

You are minimizing the hell out of what Judge is doing and using basic stats when we have advanced stats. Judge is having one of the greatest offensive seasons the game has ever seen. That's why he leads the league in far more categories than Ohtani.

@@TheRexrapper I'm not minimizing what Judge is doing at all. I said he's a monster and having and exceptional year. I do think you're minimizing the hell out of what Ohtani is doing though. And like many other people, you are minimizing the impact of stolen bases. Judge has more walks, because once you walk him, he becomes much less of a threat. In fact, he just becomes a prime double play candidate; whereas Shohei will mostly likely put himself in scoring position. Ohtani has 169 singles and walks. He has stolen second 45 times. So essentially, he has hit the equivalent of a double 27% of the time he reaches first base, putting him scoring position. That's why he leads the MLB in runs scored. And what about the 10 times he's stolen 3rd base, putting him in position to score on a fly ball or a grounder to the right side? Anyway, I'm using basic stats because Covino is referring to those same basic stats to argue that Judge is having a better season because he says he's "old school" like that. And like I said, Judge is have a spectacular season, but is it record-breaking? Is it historical? If you look at OPS+, Judge's season ranks 12th all time. I'm sure he'll go up a bit when the season's over, but who remembers the 10th greatest OPS+ season of all time? No one. Who will remember 50/50? Everyone. Joe DiMaggio won the AL MVP in 1941. EVERYONE who knows baseball remembers him and that season because of the 56-game hitting streak. Do you remember who won the HR crown that year? Probably not, but it was Ted Williams who had 7 more HRs than DiMaggio. Do you remember who won the batting title that year? Ted Williams again at .406, a whopping 49 points above DiMaggio. But all everyone remembers is Joltin' Joe and his 56-game hitting streak because it had never been done before and will likely be never done again. That's the status Ohtani's season is in...not 12th best or 7th highest or 21st most, but never-been-done-before-and-will-never-be-done-again status. In my eyes, that's the difference.

@@SidKim-e3c Steals only hold value when your teammates get hits or sacrifice flies to get you in. If you are getting steals and your teammates don't hit, it holds little to no value. A steal in context isn't more valuable than a single or even a walk. A single could score a run. A walk is getting on base which isn't getting out. A stolen base is just the runner advancing. Unless they are stealing home base, they rely on their teammates for it to hold value. I say all of that to say, Ohtani's steals don't hold anywhere near the same value of Judge's overall offensive game. Even if you include Ohtani's hitting stats, it isn't comparable to Judge. That's why I say you are minimizing the hell out of Judge. The truth of the matter is it isn't even a comparison. People want it to be a comparison because it's something to talk about and they are considered the two best players in baseball. But in reality, it's not close. If they were in the same league Judge would win and the voting would be a blowout. Also, just because Ohtani did something that hasn't been done before, it does not mean he had a better season. I don't care about what people remember. People remember Mcgwire hitting 70 but who won MVP? It's funny that is your argument because when Judge hit 62, Ohtani fans minimized that by saying it's been done before. But will people remember it? You bet your ass they will.

judge has 56 buddy. not that ohtani can't beat judge but get your numbers right sir

@kchun5515 My facts are straight, My comment was posted hours before the Yankees played the Orioles yesterday, Sir!

How is Ohtani not protected?

@@TheRexrapper Apparently Betts and Freeman suck.

Exactly. They don’t wanna talk about judge hitting helium filled balls to boost HR stats

That's one player. The Yankees haven't had a consistent leadoff hitter all season. One player does not equal 139 RBI's.

@TheRexrapper explain to me how othani has 127 rbi without a consistent 8th and 9th batter, you know the rbi record for a lead-off hitter is 108, right? Do you know soto is a 417 Obp player right 2nd in mlb. he walk at high rate and has 124 runs, do you think if we switch 275 OBP kike hernandez 9th batter for soto in doger othani would not increase his rbi??? So are tou really undertand how rbi stats work is a team stat. You need people on base to get rbi lol. Clean up should lead in rbi but a lead off hitter should not be 2nd for rbis. Is simple baseball math.

Way better player? Shohei also pitches

Complete player? Lmao that is enough for me to know you’re a joke.

Poop color suits him too

He's a delusional muppet - like 99% of Muppet NY fanbois without a clue

Of course Judge can't steal 50 bases like Shohei he's like 60 pounds heavier

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

They both are salty haters because Ohtani REJECTED both of their bsll clubs in free agency 😂

Ohtani’s major advantage is you can walk judge and try and get DP, ohtani gets on base the other team is on edge because he can wreck a game with his base running.

@@Sincity702boy Ain't nobody on edge because Ohtani steals bases lol. A stolen base isn't even more valuable than a walk

Ain’t that the truth

its over half

Stolen bases are good but overrated. They don't hold more value than even a single. They don't hold more value than even a walk. Why? A stolen base just advances a runner. It doesn't even create the possibility of creating a run unless they steal from home. A stolen base is literally dependent on someone else doing something to score the run. A single could at least potentially score a run. A walk is not getting out. Stop acting like because Ohtani has 50+ steals that it makes him more valuable than Judge. It doesn't.

@@TheRexrapper pass the bong pipe laddie! PMSL!

​@@TheRexrapperthis is a silly argument. What's the difference between a solo homer and a grand slam? The hitter does exactly the same thing but the RBI they are credited with are completely determined by what their teammates did ahead of them. You can get 1 RBI from a home run or 2 from a single depending on what your teammates do. Stolen bases are closer in equivalence to a double than a single because you're immediately in scoring position.

@@drexeldragon1723 There's a commonality with the homeruns argument. They BOTH produce runs. A stolen base does not produce a run UNLESS someone after them does their job. A stolen base isn't close to the value of a double because a double could produce a run. A stolen base producing a run is solely dependent on others unless they are stealing home base.

@@TheRexrapper it's really silly to be like "a double could produce a run therefore every double, even when people aren't on base, is more valuable than a steal." What you said about steals requiring teammates to produce runs could be said verbatim about doubles. A double cannot produce a run unless someone else already got on base. A single and then a steal with no one on base is literally the same thing as a double. Speaking of runs, Shohei has 10 more runs scored than Judge. But I guess that doesn't matter because his teammates had to do stuff for those. The thing is, teammates need to do stuff in all team sports. This isn't home run derby. If you think it is and the only thing that matters is home runs then sure, Judge is better.

None of it matters if his teammates don't get hits. Part of why Judge is walked so much is because the players after him don't hit.

What about Ohtani playing in a minor league?

@@nyy2709 wtf u talking about?

There's no guarantee Ohtani would have more RBI's if he was hitting third.

@@TheRexrapperI would bet every dollar I’ll ever make in my life he would have more RBIs batting 3rd lol

@@Janthdanl I actually meant more than Judge. Not more RBI's in general.

@@TheRexrapper OH my bad

Remember they compared pitching every ining to catch a fly ball 5 times a game. Lol

Capturing couple of fly balls like a kid in the backyard is very big deal for the guy in a poop color Yankee hat

Because it's more than sitting in the dugout

@@TheRexrapperBARELY

@@Janthdanl How is it barely? If you said a first baseman then I could understand. An outfielder holds far more value than a DH.

Who had the better season is based on the stats. You say that because the stats you want don't justify your argument.

It’s not even close. According to the advanced stats, Judge is having a better season than Williams did when he hit .406, better than Hornsby when he hit .424, and better than Ruth’s 1927 season when he hit 60 HRs. Judge is having the greatest season in the integration era of baseball (‘roid cheaters don’t count). Ohtani isn’t in Judge ‘s league as a hitter.

You would take the player with lesser value then. Your prerogative.

​@@TheRexrapper700m > 400m 😉

Literally no one has ever called him that except this guy. Judge is probably a sub average center fielder

Their seasons aren't even comparable. Judge is having a far better season. Judge's WAR is 1.9 higher according to baseball reference. 2.5 higher on fangraphs and 2.6 on baseball prospectus. If they played in the same league, Judge is winning MVP in a blowout.

God you people are sad

Who is batting at number 3? They both are 1st batter.

@@TheRexrapper At this point it’s an opinion of what is more important. Is someone doing something that has never been done more important? How important is base stealing? Why are so many people talking about the 50/50 if it’s not significant? If both players were to switch teams, will they have the same impact? Judge is hitting in a ballpark at home that is more HR friendly than Ohtani is. Ohtani is playing in a tougher division as well. The 2nd place Padres can easily win the World Series and the Diamondbacks are defending National League Champs. Dodgers, Padres and the Diamondbacks are all in one division and heading into the playoffs. So it is still subjective and not as far apart as some would think.

@@jonk8337 I disagree. The only reason it is being talked about so much is because they are the two best players in the game and since both are most likely going to win unanimous MVP's, they need something to talk about. Judge's season is not being accurately reflected by the media. They know this season is an even better than the season Judge won MVP in. The only thing Judge doesn't have over that season is 62 home runs. Everything else is better across the board and that was enough to dominate the MVP voting WHEN OHTANI PITCHED. So how is it even a question when Ohtani doesn't pitch this year and Judge is even better than the year he won MVP? If people were being honest, Judge's season is FAR superior to Ohtani's. That's no disrespect to Ohtani. That is more of an appreciation for what Judge is doing. You can't mask that by saying Ohtani got 50 home runs and 50 steals which hasn't been done before therefore it's a conversation. Ohtani is a DH. These guys who hit 50 home runs or got 50 steals also played the field. They didn't sit on the bench for half the game. Judge is doing what he is doing while also playing the field. It doesn't matter if he's playing it average to slightly below average because Ohtani doesn't play the field AT ALL. So the fact that Judge plays a demanding position and yet his hitting numbers are FAR superior to Ohtani's, it shouldn't be close. It shouldn't even be a conversation but the media and Ohtani fans will.

Apparently it’s hatersaki

Judge is 300 lbs

@@gbrown8523 Judge is 6'7". Am I doing it right?

@@gbrown8523no he’s not. Ohtani isn’t small too. So if he’s doing it why aren’t smaller players doing it?

@@lokkstarproductions6918 idk. Probably bcz they play in the field everyday

@@lokkstarproductions6918 Don't even bother. You can't fix stupid. It's more stubborn than cancer lolll