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Cowboy Bebop Just Isn't The Same 

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The Netflix live-action Cowboy Bebop is pretty bad, and I don't think it feels the same as the original at all. So let's talk about the BIG problem with live action anime adaptations right now, and how they can get better in the future.
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0:00 - History of Live Action Anime
9:09 - Asteroid Blues
14:56 - Cowboy Gospel
21:23 - Series Review
30:21 - Tips for Anime Adaptations
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@dargossss
@dargossss Год назад
"You are black, and you are male!" I can't believe someone wrote that line. I can't believe someone approved that line. I can't believe someone delivered that line.
@jerryjeudy6620
@jerryjeudy6620 2 года назад
It was kinda weird that they started the series off with an action scene but I noticed that it’s based off of the corner store scene of the cowboy bebop movie in 2001
@Lextorias
@Lextorias 2 года назад
Rewatching that scene (didn't rewatch the movie to prep for the video, silly me), you're right. It's 100% the same beats and everything. But also the corner store scene is still really tame and subdued compared to the Netflix version's space heist, so it really adds to the point that they just decided to make everything more bombastic. Thanks for pointing that out!
@KaregoAt
@KaregoAt 2 года назад
@@Lextorias And really, it makes way less sense than the cornerstore scene. The point was that Spike strolls into the store nonchalantly as if he was just another shopper minding his own business. That no longer makes sense in a reckless heist situation in a casino. The whole layout of the fight makes less sense as well, the guns were less useful in a cramped cornerstore and against Spike's quick and smart moves, but in the wide open casino Spike would've gotten shot instantly while pulling that stupid move with the chip/coin.
@GeahkBurchill
@GeahkBurchill Год назад
I would have added a bit on Edge of Tomorrow which is an adaptation of All You Need is Kill. It follows your three rules and nails the anime feel without being derivative.
@Xetttt
@Xetttt Год назад
The change to the ending changes the whole tone of it though, it neutered it.
@ghostwalkergames7707
@ghostwalkergames7707 2 года назад
I feel you could take a screen shot from any moment in the anime and have a bad ass wall paper. I remember a guy I worked with actually had a scene from the first episode where Spike is smoking naked tatooed on his stomach. This was before I binged the series so I was kinda a bit weirded out why he'd get a scend inked on himself, but after watching the anime in full I completely understand lol.
@sonic2899000
@sonic2899000 Год назад
Totally vibe with that, my desktop wallpaper for a couple years was just this one shot from the movie's credits of Ed fishing off the side of the ship
@SuperNoobz22
@SuperNoobz22 Год назад
Idk why more studios don't make live action adaptations of slice of life anime. I feel like that would be the easiest way to hit a home run. Imagine a live action adaptation of Your Lie in April or March Comes In like a Lion. One is a show about a boy who plays piano and a girl who plays violin and the other is about a kid whos a really good chess player. I think they'd be excellent because they don't have to worry about the crazy over-the-top action or magic most other shows commonly have.
@NeeDatta05
@NeeDatta05 4 месяца назад
I actually really really liked tales from the Makanai which is a spin off of Kiyo in Kyoto.
@KaregoAt
@KaregoAt 2 года назад
I didn't watch the new adaptation, purely because I knew it was going to be shit and I didn't want to subject myself to it. Seeing it broken down like this, scene by scene and compared to the original just highlights how shitty it really is, and how much the creators miss the mark on most if not all aspects.
@johnbacon4997
@johnbacon4997 2 года назад
Finished the Video! It was great dude. -Couple other things, If I remember correctly, in the original anime series Faye wasn't a bounty hunter until she joined the bebop. She was a con artist, gambling addict and Femme fatale before she met the crew but she was not a Bounty hunter. -And what you state about the series look cheap, but not cheap and how everything is obviously a set I noticed also. Uncanny valley of set and costume design, especially with the cars that really bugs me. In the series almost every car was replaced with a space craft, the fact that characters get in cars and drive around really sells the "cosplay" ness of the show. -Also the fact that John Cho is the eldest of the trio completely erases the idea that Jet Black was kind of a father figure. Due to the outrage after Angelina Jolie, a white woman being cast to play Motoko Kusanagi an obvious Japanese woman, I wouldn't be surprised if they sent out a casting call for only Asian Americans to audition for the role of spike Spiegel. -When Vicious and Julia showed up it was rare and a occasion. Vicious only appears in 5 episodes, and all of those episodes are extremely important and impactful. Havin Julia and Vicious show up every episode downplays their importance I guess. I Dunno the fact the show up every episode makes the duo just seem like villain of the week stuff
@roneherushin4638
@roneherushin4638 Год назад
it was Scarlett Johanson who played the major in the live action movie to which she did actually look like her and even the Japanese fans agreed with the casting the writing was my issue but I'm not going to trash it for that. They at least tried Netflix bop just feels like a somewhat disrespectful attempt at bebop.
@Hawk7886
@Hawk7886 Год назад
To be fair, the whole idea of Kusanagi as a character is that she doesn't have an actual, organic body, and hasn't since she was a small child. She easily COULD be white, black, or any shade in between - I don't think she would've cared what "race" she was.
@lakshaykochhar6799
@lakshaykochhar6799 Год назад
Are Faye and Spike even supposed to Japanese?
@wesleywyndam-pryce5305
@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 11 месяцев назад
sending out to only cast an Asian wouldnt be a bad thing, that itself wouldn't have litterlally anything to do with picking someone who looks too old or w.e also i always thought spike was just a light skin black guy cause look at that dudes hair, idk if I've ever seen an Asian person with curly hair?
@Doofens
@Doofens 4 месяца назад
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 we need to stop the gender and ethnicity swaps. Spike is obviously white or asian. Jet Black is obviously not black. Gren is obviously not a crossdresser / dragqueen. it's not netflixes duty to change the original work and blackwash or lgbtq-wash it. make original storys with diverse characters
@johnbacon4997
@johnbacon4997 2 года назад
Can we state how disrespectful they were to gren? A gay POW veteran in the anime got turned into a Flamboyant gay crossdresser stereotype or whatever. Its kind of insulting conisdering that gren was only hinted to be gay. I showed my sister the entire 26 episode run and she loved it, we watched 10 minutes of the 1st episode and she went ew. I consider Cowboy Bebop to one of the few anime series that could be done in live action if done well, others in this group are Black Lagoon, Wangan Midnight, Inital D, Speed racer, Ghost in the Shell Lupin the third and maybe Trigun. Last thing I wanna say, and I told this to my cousin as well, if you adapt an anime EXACTLY to the source material the characters can come off as cringy, meanwhile if you try and fit them into the real world people will get angry at you.
@memnarch129
@memnarch129 Год назад
Give Bebop to someone who has passion for it, and not caring what the network or twitter think, and it would be amazing. Josh did a better Bebop with a no name IP at the time and Id bet 1/10th the budget. Edit: ok checked and it was HALF the Bebop budget. Josh did Firefly on roughly 2 Mil a episode, 32 Mil in total after advertising and other Fox invetments. Bebop was 6 Mil an episode with about 60 to 70 mil total. So Josh created a more real, lived in, fun Live Action Bebop for HALF the budget. Shows that its not Cost thats the issue in ANY show, its the "Design Commity" that are the network suits and PR people that fuck it up.
@racist2708
@racist2708 Год назад
ew gay
@freelancerthe2561
@freelancerthe2561 Год назад
@@memnarch129 and funnier...... and with a bigger cast..... and better special effects.... I miss the Joss that made Firefly...
@hiruharada2650
@hiruharada2650 Год назад
That "ew" is a gut-wrenching, sub-conscious understanding that the loudest protesters don't really care.
@victory7763
@victory7763 Год назад
Gay?
@VioStarclad
@VioStarclad 2 года назад
Alita: Battle Angel remains the only anime adaptation I think is actually Very Good. Ghost in the Shell was at least not bad, just kinda okay. Inoffensive (depending on who you ask). Then you have your Death Notes where yeah it's much worse than the original but kinda does its own thing and isn't complete shit (and is only like two hours). Then you have your Bebopflix which is a step above DBZ Evolution to me.
@benjamintherogue2421
@benjamintherogue2421 2 года назад
I wish they had adopted the manga instead of the anime for the live adaptation. I never ever liked the anime. I didn't like the live action either because of that, but it definitely wasn't utter trash or anything. They did do a fairly decent job adopting the anime to live action.
@sbatou87
@sbatou87 2 года назад
The live-action Kenshin films were, in my opinion, were okay to good. I'd recommend taking a gander if you wish.
@freelancerthe2561
@freelancerthe2561 Год назад
Alita isn't even that good though. Its mostly just a very Camron movie. The plot is serviceable enough to flow from scene to scene; but character motivations end up being kind of werid if you stopped and thought about the whole.
@GirtheAlienGoldfish
@GirtheAlienGoldfish Год назад
Alita was mediocre at best. It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't outstandingly good.
@Mialikesthings
@Mialikesthings Год назад
Alice in borderland was cool
@midasgold9379
@midasgold9379 Год назад
I love that you brought up the Matrix, as the creators of that made a great(to me) live action adaptation after making that. Speed Racer managed to add more depth to the characters, better action and racing, all while staying true to the anime.
@Dacho_Shaki
@Dacho_Shaki 2 года назад
This show is a sin to mankind, but how they ''subverted'' the Ballad of Fallen Angels scene and pretty much ass-fucked it entirely, it almost put me in a comatose state how baffling the entire show was. As I was watching this shit-piece, my first overall thought was of ''dragged on, bland, unnecessary, toneless'', but more and more I watched it, the bigger the disdain I held towards it and the ending just made me despise it completely.
@luisfranciscocamachomilano772
Why all keep forgetting the Rurouni Kenshin live action movies? Those are simply perfect. Netflix's Cowboy Bebop it literally the "Netflix adaptation" meme, and it sucks.
@Shep-qc7pi
@Shep-qc7pi Год назад
Bro you earned my sub for not only an amazing video, but also the fact that you are actively in this comment section, liking and and replying to people, almost a year after poster. Also amazing come up, hearing you say here that you had 80 subs is mind bending.
@Lextorias
@Lextorias Год назад
appreciate it ;)
@vjthehandsome5659
@vjthehandsome5659 Год назад
Now that you mention it, I actually saw this show one time when I was very young. It was late at night so I had no idea what was going on. But the image of the ship getting eviscerated was ingrained into my head, along with Spike's design. I never even knew the name, or what anime even was back then. But seeing the episode being described to me unlocked an old old old memory I forgot I even had. I was so sleepy and had no clue what this show was even about (I only really watched shows like SpongeBob at the time, and I couldn't pay attention long enough to grasp deeper plots) so it all felt like a dream. I'm pretty sure I did dream about that one scene that night. I have a tendency to dream while my brain acts like I'm still awake (it's pretty trippy). This video was something I didn't even know I needed. Thanks.
@Hawk7886
@Hawk7886 Год назад
Pulling a loose thread all the way to the end is a great feeling. It must've been pretty wild to experience it out of the blue. Congrats dude
@vjthehandsome5659
@vjthehandsome5659 Год назад
@@Hawk7886 It was something all right.
@daratattoo6970
@daratattoo6970 Год назад
Just discovered your channel yesterday, nice work! Would totally watch a live adaptation of Monster!
@yerbamatte5
@yerbamatte5 Год назад
i’ll forever be holding the flag for the 2008 speed racer movie. as someone who grew up on the original and still loves it despite its…. datedness… i think it really is the perfect adaptation. they literally made the live action more anime than the actual anime. granted speed racer might be an easier adaptation because the source material was a lot older, simpler, and didn’t have some complex plot, so there was more room to go crazy. but still, that movie is one of my fave of all time and the casting was PHENOMENAL
@petergilveet6666
@petergilveet6666 Год назад
The "Don't make a direct adaptation" is so true that is the reason why super hero movies worked. Since you have a shit ton of chronology bullshit in the comics, it just doesn't work to, for example, make a Superman movie by adapting the first numbers of Action Comics. So what they do? They blend together lots of important parts of the originals and create a more or less new story, yet still being an adaptation. The Dark Night, Spiderman 2, Infinity War, 70s Superman, they're all movies that you can't pinpoint a single comic and say "They're adapting this", they're actually adapting a bunch of stuff at the same time while inventing new things.
@MightyFahl
@MightyFahl 2 года назад
Great video, thoughtful breakdown. I’m enjoying the content man, keep up the great work, glad to see you’ve doubled in subs since I first found you a few days ago! 👍🏻
@PyroMancer2k
@PyroMancer2k 2 года назад
OMG When you said Death Note Live action was bad all I could think was WTH you talking about it was great. Then you play a clip and I was like OHHHHH "That one" Because I had forgotten Netflix made an adaptation. I was thinking of the Japanese Live Action Death Note. The problem with a lot of adaptations is they get Americanized which destroys part of their appeal. Since Anime comes from a completely different culture they have their own views, norms, cultural references, and so on. As someone who actually enjoys media from other cultures, like British TV & Comedy, it pisses me off to see some of those shows get Americanized.
@HeffyG
@HeffyG 2 года назад
Best thing that came from this adaptation was getting to watch everyone on RU-vid shit on it. Good video man, subbed.
@rosssymphony6098
@rosssymphony6098 3 месяца назад
Great video! You have me sold on having you be on the team of netflix executives that want to do an anime adaptation lol
@robbinsnest6163
@robbinsnest6163 2 года назад
The dragon ball live action made me cringe. My hubby and I were completely disappointed. I want to rewatch cowboy bebop anime. It was one of my favorites in my high school years.
@Lextorias
@Lextorias 2 года назад
Rewatch it! It’s good!
@riahmatic
@riahmatic Год назад
Edge of Tomorrow is another rare quality adaptation. It wasn't a complete rewrite but it was changed in ways that made it better for a live action US viewing audience.
@spencerellis1926
@spencerellis1926 2 года назад
Those Asian guys doing the JoJo parody is hilarious 😆
@a_level_70_elite_raccoon
@a_level_70_elite_raccoon 3 месяца назад
Your section on tone was my first thought when I saw the trailers, but I didn't quite realize it back then. There's very few scenes from the anime that I remember as "bright" or "upbeat." There's a lot of understated tones, faded colors, even in the sunlight. The sets and color palette in the live action one is too high contrast, to bright, like it assaults your eyes. And Bebop could be totally whacky sometimes, especially when it comes to ED, but it's... you know, an anime. But the moments and scenes I remember the most are the ones where people are just smoking, or talking about life, regrets. Long, slow shots. There was also probably no way to cast Spike 'correctly.' That character design has so much Leg, and because it's an anime, and specifically one set to jazz, his movements can pause, he move off beat, like he's dancing. Just no way to pull that off in live action, not even sure why the tried.
@svetlanasannikova6073
@svetlanasannikova6073 2 года назад
Really well reviewed! You need more viewers!!
@rmayhorn248
@rmayhorn248 Год назад
This was such a good breakdown! i just stumbled upon your channel today and watched a few vids and was blown away by the quality. Keep up the good work!
@NashiXBatsu
@NashiXBatsu Год назад
I would like to point out that it actually took a really long time for super hero movies (marvel, DC, image comics) to be taken seriously in a live action format. Hollywood and other media creators in the west haven't really figured out how popular anime actually is. That's why we have only just tasted getting a variety of quality Anime style Games in the past few years. Also why doesn't anyone ever mention Blood the last vampire when talking about live action anime?
@NashiXBatsu
@NashiXBatsu Год назад
Lol i said tested instead of started
@omiellindsay9224
@omiellindsay9224 2 года назад
Another banger on this channel keep up the good work man
@2120musiclover
@2120musiclover 2 года назад
This was awesome ; subscribed!
@jonahtwyman
@jonahtwyman 2 года назад
I will make a good bebop live action someday. I will reference this video if it works out. fingers crossed
@hershmergersh6733
@hershmergersh6733 3 месяца назад
I made the mistake of having Cowboy Bebop be the first anime series I watched. Nothing has ever and I have no faith that anything will ever come close to it.
@PyroMancer2k
@PyroMancer2k 2 года назад
Lextorias, "Today I'd rather watch Sponge Bob than most shows." That's probably because most shows are written by children for children with less intellectual depth than the kids show written a decade or two ago. Thus they stand the test of time while more modern shows are already on their way out before release.
@danmorgan712
@danmorgan712 3 месяца назад
"You can be in an existential depression and this opener will make you want to go out and commit space crime." Inaccurate. I don't need my crime to be space related at all.
@chriselliott8830
@chriselliott8830 Год назад
Let me elaborate since that first posting was a little weird I think the level research to do is extremely informative and that's what I like out of a documentary you're editing and the way you panning in pen out and do different things it definitely keeps it interesting I also can't see very good and I definitely can't read this writing so I hope that it's not bastardized or typo it or miss printed by my voice memo what do you call voice dictation so in short brother please keep making your good quality documentaries about stuff that I actually care about and I found it interesting thank you
@markvicferrer
@markvicferrer Год назад
Live action gave Katerina backstory about being from some famous family & I was hoping it could have been a new, unique storyline. Good adaptations are the Rurouni Kenshin movies. With the pandemic, I got into slice of life anime like K-on, Super Cub & Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater. Crazy as it sounds, the low key nature of these series & the fact that they don't have any outlandish anime tendencies might make them possible candidates for adaptation, but slice of life is a niche that most don't go for.
@while.coyote
@while.coyote 2 года назад
You just got another subscriber, thanks for being great
@Lextorias
@Lextorias 2 года назад
You’re my 100th subscriber too! Thank you for the support and kind words.
@chriselliott8830
@chriselliott8830 Год назад
Bro you need to keep making videos definitely have a bright future I love watching all your videos not to sound creepy
@JP-zi9mr
@JP-zi9mr 2 года назад
the Initial-D live adaptation was too Good!
@briansmith2997
@briansmith2997 2 года назад
great vid
@EverydayLegend
@EverydayLegend Год назад
I think a straight adaptation is a good idea, because the point of a live action adaptation isn’t to appease the fans of the original anime, it’s to introduce the franchise to an audience that would never have watched the original anime in the first place.
@GirtheAlienGoldfish
@GirtheAlienGoldfish Год назад
Radical Edward was my favorite character in Cowboy Bebop and Netflix did her so dirty, I was outraged. Her saying Spike's name in the show reminded me of Chunk from the Goonies yelling, "HEY YOU GUYS!!"
@devilsharvest4375
@devilsharvest4375 Год назад
Netflix cowboy bebop reminds me of a soap opera show, the way it looks, dialogue, and in plot, especially in scenes with vicious
@devilsharvest4375
@devilsharvest4375 Год назад
I feel the camera work and sets are really nice and detailed but the problem is they’re treated as just that sets, not a world they’re in
@ultimate3000
@ultimate3000 Год назад
ive just began watching cow boy bebop and i never knew that song was from this anime. ive heard it a lot and i didnt know it came from the show
@fynnwhite
@fynnwhite Год назад
I feel like, since anime are so stylised, you have to "destylise" them to work as live action. The sets need more dirt, some colours need to be washed out, and you need to add all the little details the anime left out. A lot of anime draw inspirations from classic movies, so you can take the inspiration directly, rather than going through the anime. Think about how the original writers and creators made the anime!
@shaneaf310
@shaneaf310 Год назад
I've not watched Cowboy Bebop, the anime or the Netflix adaptation, I wanna watch the adaptation and then the OG, as I've planned to for a while for something you said: "The show was fun when I forgot it was an adaptation". I think that as fans of content, we all hold our favourite shows to a level of love that far surpasses what most people outside of those group care about. I had this thought a good while ago, my memory is cloudy, but, my introduction to anime essentially stems from the Death Note live action movies. I recall watching the Death Note live-action movies one stupidly late night during the school holidays, and then wanting to rewatch them a while later, and wasn't 100% sure of what it was and ended up grabbing the LAs and the Anime. The movies were actually pretty darn well done considering the budget and the medium, while Ryuk looked stupidly gamey, It really had no impact given that even top end CGI wasn't super amazing at that point in time but overall, remained pretty faithful towards what it was adapting. It always amazed me as to how wrong the netflix adaptation was, but, I had it in my mind towards what I'd say to somebody who asked me about it, and the best conclusion I could come up with was a level of "If you've never watched the OGs, it's a mediocre but acceptable story", and, that's partially what I want to test with Bebop. When it comes to Netflix's Death Note, I wasn't annoyed at the show for being bad, don't get me wrong, it wasn't amazing but I don't think it was all that bad either, but I was more annoyed at their mangling of the characters and general detraction from the plot into something I can only describe as for "a modern day (American) audience". Ryuk, who probably should have been in there more, was probably the best part of the characters. I feel that they misinterpreted L and kinda babified him emotionally, and then you get to light/"misa"... For their relationship, I feel that they americanised it far too much, they turned light from I can only describe as a diabolical genius into somebody who at the beginning was seemingly supposed to be a nerd, but then turned out to just be average? and then "Misa" was turned into what felt like the one who was actually dragging Light; I think it's fair to say that the character trope that Misa enveloped probably isn't as acceptable of a trope these days, but I feel that they too heavily 180'd her character in a way that just made little sense to me in terms of wanting to watch a retelling of a piece of media I adored. I think that adaptations are a huge trap, for fans and studios. The most vocal people coming to see these adaptations will be fans of the original, and many people will be offput by the fact that it's an adaptation of a form of medium, and you're gonna be judged harshly when you return something which has been adjusted for a different culture. and that's before you get into some of the common "in medium only" type stuff. I think adaptations are doable, but, only in a really grounded sense, and pretty much never "for the fans".
@anihyrelles6870
@anihyrelles6870 Месяц назад
Quite frankly you're such a good storyteller and narrator that I'm watching videos about topics that normally would never interest me. Fascinating
@richieg8394
@richieg8394 Год назад
What app do you use for editing
@Lextorias
@Lextorias Год назад
Premiere Pro
@ohyaization
@ohyaization Год назад
Edge of Tommorrow with Tom Cruize is the best live action anime
@Ethan-yd4gn
@Ethan-yd4gn Год назад
This video is going to make me watch the show before finishing this video. Ive been meaning to, but i think you've sold me during the runthrough of the first episode
@Noah1Nigel
@Noah1Nigel Год назад
Youre so smart, thanks for youre opinion. And realy funny at the best moments :D Did learn Something from you. Sorry english isnt my nativ language.
@Kamn_exe
@Kamn_exe 2 года назад
Live action Gantz and Ruroni Kenshin get no love
@Lextorias
@Lextorias 2 года назад
I was actually gonna mention Rurouni Kenshin as an example of a good adaptation, but that part got cut. I think it works because it just becomes a samurai movie. Haven’t seen Gantz though
@chancerichardson9110
@chancerichardson9110 Месяц назад
That got it right back in the day the magnificent 7 was a Japanese film and then adapted to a western!
@jenavevesnowolf13
@jenavevesnowolf13 5 месяцев назад
Thank you! Thank you so much for talking about the wrong tone! They could have made this amazing just by leaning into the dark tone.
@LaLaLand.Germany
@LaLaLand.Germany 13 дней назад
Y´know, I grew INTO Anime just one or two ys ago, One Piece did it for me. The fun for me is: the show took 20ys to go somewhere and now I love it. All the characters are fully developed and now they presented Dr. Vegapunk, that eerie name finally has a face. And what a face. And he begged the Strawhats for help. The Movie Cowboy Bebop was a standalone to me, like Akira. Now I´m old enough to enjoy that layer cake that´s Anime to me.
@nokphannaly9554
@nokphannaly9554 2 года назад
Honestly none of them felt like the characters..and Ed was the cringey one
@somebodynowhere
@somebodynowhere Год назад
A bit like you I remember enjoying live action Cowboy Bebop more than most seemed to, but by the end its unwillingness to make it its own thing just hurt the production. Diehards for the original would not be on board with the changes and newbies would probably sense that they're missing something since so much of the show leans so heavily on cues (the producers expect people to recognize) from the source material. Somewhat morbid curiosity does make me wonder where they would have gone with the series if they got picked up, but the pessimist in me feels like it's probably for the best that that wasn't going to happen
@thefoundationagent61
@thefoundationagent61 3 месяца назад
The one I hear no one mentioning is Monster by Urasawa Naoki. Would be able to do an almost 1:1 live action remake.
@Towhomitmayconcern9293
@Towhomitmayconcern9293 Год назад
You should watch the 2008 Speed Racer live-action movie and give you're an honest review on it. I'm pretty sure it would make a good video for you, something like "Was the 2008 Speed Racer movie actually bad?" Since the movie did so poorly upon release, and despite the faults the movie may have, they did plenty of stuff good that would definitely warrant an argument on whether the movie was actually good or not. I think it would make for a great video. You're probably not going to see this comment since this video is pretty old now, But I really hope you do.
@freelancerthe2561
@freelancerthe2561 Год назад
Speed Racer was wildly successful at making a live action LSD fueled saturday morning cartoon. Which audiences were NOT prepared for. If there was one central issue the movie had, its that it triggers a cognitive dissonance in most people, despite being no less insane then the average transformers movie, because of the brighter color palette. And thats not even the movie's fault. As someone who was big into pre-AS era of Anime in the US (aka mightnight SciFi, VHS rentals, and VHS subs), I have an appreciation for non-nonsensical plot/settings, and general narrative chaos commonly seen up through the late mid 90s. Which is why I'm one of the new few non-stoners that likes Adult Swim programming on its face value.
@HostOfEmbers
@HostOfEmbers 10 месяцев назад
I believe the creators of the Matrix said they were inspired by Ghost in the Shell. Thought that was pretty cool and can see elements from the anime in it.
@Manrique114
@Manrique114 Год назад
80 subscribers... look at you now!
@qsmall8764
@qsmall8764 Год назад
Easily in the first 5 seconds and you've already made a mistake. "I just watched the live action remake of Cowboy Bebop."
@danmorgan712
@danmorgan712 3 месяца назад
Death Note live action could have been good. It wasn't, but I don't think the source is unable to make a good live action retelling. Edit: Also, I feel similarly about Ghost in the Shell. Of live action remakes, it's actually one of the better ones imo; but it, like many others, feel tonally different. I feel like Lextorias is sometimes a bit overly fan of anime, in a way that seems to come in a zero-sum format with other entertainment. Because of this, the aesthetics and general existence of live action anime will be unlikely to ever meet his preference for the original. It's the same thing that happens with people who read the books to things; despite the fact that Lord of the Rings was objectively better than the books. I'll die on that particular hill. Also he seems to have overlooked a huge reason for making live action adaptations of the original stories: not everyone likes the aesthetic of anime. I know, it's probably blasphemy to his ears, but my fiance is a great example. She really can't get into most anime due to an intense "anime" aesthetic that is often unenjoyable. She liked Psychopass and all 25 episodes of Death Note.
@jgfjfgjfhjf
@jgfjfgjfhjf 2 месяца назад
33:00 American Psycho felt like a live action anime as well, and a great one at that
@stupidmonkey089
@stupidmonkey089 Год назад
I just want to say despite Dragonball Evolution, we've had the perfect live action format for a Dragonball movie. Kung Fu Hustle
@Jazzmofo
@Jazzmofo 3 месяца назад
my biggest problem with the show was the clashing aesthetics. like jets flies this futuristic spaceship all around the universe but when he goes to visit his daughter the mom lives in like a suburban house. or like there is a dingy bar playing jazz and there is some guy on stage wearing a graphic tshirt and jeans
@gothwifefriend
@gothwifefriend 7 месяцев назад
I would be genuinely interested to see how you feel about the One Piece anime adaptation because I think it's a pretty good example of a silly, over the top anime turned into a pretty successful live action show. (I have been told) the show plays out pretty close to the anime as far as story is concerned, but I haven't seen the anime so I can't confirm.
@IncredibleFlyinSquid
@IncredibleFlyinSquid 3 месяца назад
The first episode of Cowboy Bebop is something special, moreso than the series itself or the movie because of how absurdly well done it is on all points: as an anime, as an action show, as a space western...
@rebeccaschade3987
@rebeccaschade3987 2 месяца назад
You mention center frame shots. Combined with the over saturated colours, it almost looks like they wanted to copy the Wes Anderson aesthetics, without having the skill and flair of Wes Anderson, in addition to the show simply not being suitable for that sort of approach. I tend to agree with you. There were moments when the live action show was pretty decent. To me, it was like you point out, the moments when it does it's own thing, but there were also some moments when it almost got it right. Specific scenes where I got that feeling of "Yep, this is what it COULD have been like." But in the end, it was just...very mediocre. As for Battle Angel Alita... The manga is fucking weird. It leans HEAVILY into the really, really, strange side of manga, where the rule of cool reigns heavy, and if those "cool" things don't hit you, it just doesn't work. And the manga is also a LOT more pervy than the live action movie. In fact, this one to me, was one where I felt the live action adaptation was a better end product than the manga.
@MarloSoBalJr
@MarloSoBalJr Год назад
Netflix really screwed this show. Something that didn't have to be remade live-action. It was a mess all around
@Rightstik
@Rightstik Год назад
24:24 the pyro meme😂😂
@AB-ee2rg
@AB-ee2rg Год назад
I personally feel no live action anime adaption can ever work for the same reason Berserk can't be adapted (at least for fans of the original) - the change in medium/story-conveyance vehicle, no matter how good, can't ever reproduce the atmosphere and tone that the original had (at least for visual->visual media; book->visual faces a lot fewer in-built issues). This is for a variety of reasons such as level of detail getting wildly more expensive/difficult to execute with the change in medium for the same level of fidelity/believability (good costumes are harder to produce than to draw/animate; fights are easier to key-frame to perfection by drawing/animating than by having humans take on poses that accentuate form/figure over function (see JoJo's posing mid-fight while actual fighters would never); creature design and world building is more uniform for drawings than CGI blending with real life; etc etc) This isn't even considering the weight of fan expectations and the hype generated by fans thinking they're getting more of the thing they love, or strangers expecting the content to be markedly better than a random new IP ("it obviously wouldn't get an adaption if the original thing wasn't any good"). For anyone invested in a story, the best you can do is provide them with extra content around the core story they love - there's no way to replace or reproduce the thing they love because not even they know why they love it so they can't ever verbalise what issues the adaption has. Live action adaptations are an uphill battle with near unwinnable odds stacked against you - I'd love for someone to beat the odds but dear god is each attempt painful to see
@Darkvoidninja
@Darkvoidninja Год назад
jin roh wolf brigade is a good korean live action of the same name anime movie. only its been adjusted for modern times. i enjoyed it.
@tostbutyoutube7204
@tostbutyoutube7204 11 дней назад
mm.. yeah, i can see why you wouldnt like it, personally i loved it, loved everything about it honestly, if i could watch the anime as well, i absolutely would, but i love the live action, wish itd come back.
@Captain.Mystic
@Captain.Mystic Год назад
"I had the most fun with this show when i forgot it was supposed to be a cowboy bebop rip" This sentence singlehandedly describes why i despise reboots or anything advertized as one. Adaptations are always going to be in this wierd area but its the same there. If the show is going to bank itself and want you to compare to the original positively in order to con you to buy it, then its a HUGE double standard to judge it on its own merits in a critical way. In general this is an issue about accessibility. You can flame war all you want about subs vs dubs but more good dubs is often a good compromise if you arent a dumbass who thinks that animation is for children or idiots only(which, obviously, enough people in the west do that the closest we get to adult animation is adult swim, and often not even somewhat decent stylized animation.) In general the worst adaptation i can think of isnt even anime. Artemis fowl was absolutely BUTCHERED because any sort of risky play like even suggesting that the main character could be bad in some way was unthinkable to disney executives. They fucked up so bad that i had to remind myself that fucking SNYDER made a guardians of gahoole movie and made reasonable decisions on how to make it self contained. But then again, this is disney, where they wanted an adaptation of a terry pratchett book where the literal grim reaper was a central plot thread and ended up scrapping the project when they wanted to remove the grim reaper... you know... in a book exploring his home, family, job, entire philosophy, and the fact that his apprentice wanted to battle him to the death because he fucked up his first job alone.
@swedeads
@swedeads 3 месяца назад
if you still like to watch anime, try first season on "Black lagoon" second is quite nice but hastly done and s3 i dunno what they did. also on bad adaptations, avatar the last airbender. that´s just a joke
@Solipsisticdaydreams
@Solipsisticdaydreams Год назад
I love your callout on the conclusion to watch Dragon Ball evolution. I onehundred percent intended to do that after this😅
@NuttyNipps
@NuttyNipps Год назад
gimme black lagoon with some John Wick inspired action scenes. Plus you've got some of the best written women in anime to date
@Skycrusher
@Skycrusher 2 года назад
Stick with it, you have a good perspective.
@stevenswitzer5154
@stevenswitzer5154 2 месяца назад
Hearing the music excites me
@Redino20
@Redino20 Год назад
Damn. Now I feel like watching Firefly and Serenity again
@woggie001
@woggie001 3 месяца назад
I never expect a Hollywood show to be the same as the book. They just have to mess it up somehow. Insert "live-action" for "Hollywood" and "anime" or "manga" in place of "book", and there you go.
@12ealDealOfficial
@12ealDealOfficial 4 месяца назад
Cowboy Bebop live action needed to be made in the late '90s. It is simply too mature. Visually and artistically (especially visually), Bebop is a product of its time in the most "fine aged wine" way possible. Also, I knew live action Bebop was going to be total sh*t (just from the clips shown here) when I saw the airsoft guns and cgi muzzle flare. They couldn't even get the co2 powered ones where the slide moves. People who didn't understand anything about the original were clearly in charge.
@jindrichjochec296
@jindrichjochec296 Год назад
Ey ou this really reminds me of the Great pretender.
@whade62000
@whade62000 Год назад
1. Understand what made the original good, don't overlook details like tone, genre/tropes/inspirations, character drama, artistry like cinematography, music and color etc. 2. understand why many of those wouldn't work in live action 3. if you can spot something that the original did NOt do well and you start thinking: "you know, this could work better in a different medium, congrats, you've caught on to an excuse to make the show in the first place. But you'll have to change things in adaptation to add things that utilizes the format and drop things that don't work in the format either way. An adaptation has to work as its own thing. 4. You can't and shouldn't ever stay 100% true to the source. You must, however, stay true to the invent and spirit of the source. (Eg. maybe pink-hair with a robot arm would look silly on a real actor, but you can add other design choices to express the idea that the character is "cool" "tryhard" "seductive" "youthful" "grizzled" "astute" practical" "crazy" etc.) It's possible to completely change the story to one that still expresses the same general idea.
@ty_sylicus
@ty_sylicus 11 месяцев назад
Jet was spot on.
@grimfrostoreson5800
@grimfrostoreson5800 Год назад
I think I see what they were going for as far as art design, and it might not have been a bad idea with different source material but it just doesn’t work well with the noir aesthetic of the anime. Watching the show in terms of design, color, costumes, etc it reminded me of the design treatment of the 1990 Dick Tracy movie adaptation. Both end up missing the feel of the original medium by trying to too closely mimic the tone of the original. But yes, it was horrible and I gave up after three episodes. And every episode felt like I was watching Dick Tracy.
@TheJephProductions
@TheJephProductions Год назад
What is the main problem with the show was that it didn’t either stay close enough tone wise to the original so you have these moments I kind of feel like you’re in this light TV, novella soap opera, and then these moments that I like the anime. I think if they had Leaned into the soap opera vibes more it woulda gone better
@SiliconSlyWolf
@SiliconSlyWolf 3 месяца назад
I can't remember who did a video about "it's a good game, but a bad ________ game". But I think your perspective helps validate that statement. It's not fair to a lot of things that it can't be "a ______ thing" just because it does something different, but our perceptions and expectations can dictate otherwise.
@samuelst-gelais5822
@samuelst-gelais5822 4 месяца назад
k I watched all of your vids. What do I do now
@gabrielfedericoheredia1145
@gabrielfedericoheredia1145 3 месяца назад
Finally I round Simeone with the same theory. She Made dure of ir.
@GForce4
@GForce4 2 года назад
If you ever haven't, watch the UA:LA pilot. It's an amazing adaptation that captures the spirit of anime in terms of action, narrative framing and shot composition without looking like Dragonball Evolution
@Lextorias
@Lextorias 2 года назад
I think I’ve seen that! It is pretty good. Shot by the same person who did the action in Kingsman I believe
@GForce4
@GForce4 2 года назад
@@Lextorias Yup thats it. Also starred Black Panter's stunt double. When I go back and watch it, what I really loved was the shot composition, how the villains would stand as a cluster right after the heroes make a comeback, its then I felt it "got anime" A stellar example of how to adapt the medium
@Choom89
@Choom89 Год назад
From the moment that opening music hit I knew Cowboy Bebop was something special, still at the top of my list! In regards to the netflix show--you nailed it with Vicious, I rapidly lost interest as soon as they over showed him and Julia. Their casting and changes were horrible.
@Kekktye
@Kekktye 4 месяца назад
I felt myself enjoy this a lot more just because it's so much better in comparison with all of Netflix's prior adaptations lmao
@ty_sylicus
@ty_sylicus 11 месяцев назад
I really enjoyed the cheap look of the sets and costumes, though I would prefer a much more polished and serious take, like The Mandalorian.
@_chat8697
@_chat8697 Год назад
Theres a show named coyboy bebop on netflix and it looks completly diffrent to what im seeing here, the other was was garbage so i just assumed. I'll check it out
@roostermaind6413
@roostermaind6413 2 года назад
You know what they should've done? Instead of trying to tackle the insne task of adapting Cowboy Bepop, arguably THE BEST anime to this day, they could've done Space Dandy. It would've fit the goofier tone a lot more and would've opened up more avenues for writing episodes with its more episodic nature. A lot more flashy too, and a lot closer to something Westerners are familliar with, like Star Wars.
@memnarch129
@memnarch129 Год назад
Space Dandy doesnt have NEAR the pre built in appeal of Bebop. Not shitting on Dandy BUT they wanted a heavily recognized easily sellable Anime IP. And Bebop is in the top 5 EASY.
@roostermaind6413
@roostermaind6413 Год назад
@@memnarch129 You're right, but I think that's where they went wrong. The more recognizable the thing you're trying to adapt, the more people notice all the mistakes.
@memnarch129
@memnarch129 Год назад
@@roostermaind6413 But again the problem for them is they make too little doing Dandy. Id bet while not making bank they did make money on what they did, cause tons watched JUST to see how fucked up they got it. Dandy could of been a 100% SMASh success and it still would not bring the attention or revenue that fucking up Bebop did
@CmdrOverdrive
@CmdrOverdrive Год назад
For me, personally, none of the main anime characters in any anime really come across as 'Japanese'. Dragonball Evolution for example, I wasn't bothered by the casting for Goku as much as I was bothered by how the movie was handle. So I agree with the commentary about Spike, he didn't look like Spike at all to me but that wasn't the thing that was off putting, it was how he didn't really act like Spike, or as mentioned, how the theme of Spike and the show was treated.
@jbear3478
@jbear3478 8 месяцев назад
I love Kakeguri, but as a live action show it's just not the same. The girl playing the main character can't channel her at all
@chucheeness7817
@chucheeness7817 Год назад
The only live action adaptation that I liked better than the anime is Erased, maybe because it's almost one to one adaptation of the manga
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